I have a 2014 sho nonpp with livernois tune downpipe exhaust and 3bar and was running 12.7 mostly on all my runs! Then I decided to add the meth kit from livernois and have took it to the track three different times and the best I could do is 125! Don't know if I'm doing something wrong do I have to hit the test button once before I run it? It dyno at 395 and 444 tq. I appreciate any help with this meth thank you
Any time slip # 60', 1/8 speed or eta.
pics of time slips?
My 60 ft was 1.910 1/8 was 8.1396 at 87.63 mph 1/4 mile was 12.5839 at 110.70 and I launched at around 1800 rpm
That 60 looks to be .15 behind others with these mods.
Does anybody with the livernois kit have any ideas for better times ? I have it set at around 6 and don't know if I should hit the test button before a run? I have lowered front tires to about 28 psi seemed to get better times that way and also seems to like launching around 1800 rpm! Thanks
Quote from: skinny on September 22, 2014, 07:08:51 PM
Does anybody with the livernois kit have any ideas for better times ? I have it set at around 6 and don't know if I should hit the test button before a run? I have lowered front tires to about 28 psi seemed to get better times that way and also seems to like launching around 1800 rpm! Thanks
I'd call Livernois. They will have no problem helping you dial in one of their products and will have the best info on what you need to do.
Skinny what exact tune are you running?Did you request a tune for the meth?tire pressure 22f&24rear and remove the engine cover and a quarter of gas in the tank and try to launch above 2200.
I always have less than a 1/4 of a tank and a have been taking off engine cover! I will try that tire psi do you have meth on your car?
What exact tune do you have and did you request LMS a tune for the meth?Plugs have to be gapped at 0.30& do you have a cooler stat on your car and meth will be my next project and good luck with the ride.
Running 12.5's with those crappy 60 foot is pretty good. Makes me think there is a grip issue here, guessing there is a lot of spin. GYF1 Supercars? I was dropping my PSI's to between 24-26 and still had too much spin at a well prepped track.
I had my car on the dyno at livernois after meth I don't have to gap plugs for the 2014 sho they have it dialed in pretty good 395 hp and 446 tq
Quote from: skinny on September 22, 2014, 07:08:51 PM
Does anybody with the livernois kit have any ideas for better times ? I have it set at around 6 and don't know if I should hit the test button before a run? I have lowered front tires to about 28 psi seemed to get better times that way and also seems to like launching around 1800 rpm! Thanks
I am not home right now to pull up my time slips. But what temp did you run the 12.5 at? And what was the DA at the track? You can go to DragTime.com to get that. But long story short 1) At 85deg at LMS track day (1 day after a dynotune of 405 HP/417 tor) I ran 12.44 because the DA was 2100!!!! 2) in Ga. @81 deg/DA 1700 run 12.33!!! 3) At a better track in Ga , TUNE-ONLY @59 deg/DA 700 I ran 12.669 ( NO 3-BAR or Nothing!!!!!) So temp and DA makes a lot of different even with METH!!!!!!
When I ran the 12.5 it was about 60 degrees in Dayton ohio how can I find what the da was?
Quote from: skinny on September 22, 2014, 08:42:38 PM
When I ran the 12.5 it was about 60 degrees in Dayton ohio how can I find what the da was?
How the hell did we miss each other?
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php (http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php)
That was my first time at kilcare it was last Friday they had the street life tour going on! I usually go to edgewater I go with a bunch of guys that have new Shelby's and 5.0 mustangs we all work at ford motor company in sharonville I'm trying to get them to come to kilcare this friday
Quote from: skinny on September 22, 2014, 08:59:20 PM
That was my first time at kilcare it was last Friday they had the street life tour going on! I usually go to edgewater I go with a bunch of guys that have new Shelby's and 5.0 mustangs we all work at ford motor company in sharonville I'm trying to get them to come to kilcare this friday
Dammit, I was going to go but I loaded a new tune and the car wasn't trimmed out yet.
Let me know if you are going, I work out that way and I should be off around 7.
The more Fords kicking ass the better!
Drag time app will give you DA for any given date for any track.
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Sounds good I got to get some more track Time and get this meth figured out I spent too much money on that only to pick up two tenth but I appreciate everyone help!
Quote from: Courier6 on September 22, 2014, 08:00:01 PM
Running 12.5's with those crappy 60 foot is pretty good. Makes me think there is a grip issue here, guessing there is a lot of spin. GYF1 Supercars? I was dropping my PSI's to between 24-26 and still had too much spin at a well prepped track.
+1
What's your tire setup? I just swapped out the crappy OEM Michelins for a brand new set of Toyo Proxes Plus 4, day and night difference.
Yes I have the Michelin but my sho is 2014 and tires are still pretty new but when I'm ready for new tires the toyo are the ones to go with?
Seems like a lot of people's best times are launching at over 2K. Ease off the gas just before the car starts to inch forward.
Just need more practice and some good weather hopefully!
Nothing wrong with Michelin's. I've ran 12.2's on them.
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Quote from: crash712us on September 23, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
Nothing wrong with Michelin's. I've ran 12.2's on them.
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Bet your 60' times were better than 1.9 something.
1.80's. The OP I feel isn't hooking up. The slightest wheel spin kills your ET's
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Quote from: crash712us on September 23, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
1.80's. The OP I feel isn't hooking up. The slightest wheel spin kills your ET's
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I'm on Michelins with 27K on them and I think they are the best OEM tire I've ever experienced.
Now I don't feel so bad about my 60's but somebody ripped off some 1.7xx's.
Do you think 1-2 wheelspin hurts as well?
Quote from: crash712us on September 23, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
Nothing wrong with Michelin's. I've ran 12.2's on them.
Yeah, so you 2013+ "faster" SHOs better step up your game :P
Quote from: SHOdded on September 23, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: crash712us on September 23, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
Nothing wrong with Michelin's. I've ran 12.2's on them.
Yeah, so you 2013+ "faster" SHOs better step up your game :P
There is no shame being slower than Crash, his car is wicked.
But I still have DP's, cutout, and meth to go.... ;)
I really want to know the da of the runs. Really makes a huge question get answered
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on September 23, 2014, 10:29:26 PM
Quote from: crash712us on September 23, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
1.80's. The OP I feel isn't hooking up. The slightest wheel spin kills your ET's
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I'm on Michelins with 27K on them and I think they are the best OEM tire I've ever experienced.
Now I don't feel so bad about my 60's but somebody ripped off some 1.7xx's.
Do you think 1-2 wheelspin hurts as well?
Yes I do. When your talking 10ths of a second everything is a big deal.
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on September 23, 2014, 10:56:52 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on September 23, 2014, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: crash712us on September 23, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
Nothing wrong with Michelin's. I've ran 12.2's on them.
Yeah, so you 2013+ "faster" SHOs better step up your game :P
There is no shame being slower than Crash, his car is wicked.
Sure, let's go with that ;)
Quote from: skinny on September 22, 2014, 07:08:51 PM
Does anybody with the livernois kit have any ideas for better times ? I have it set at around 6 and don't know if I should hit the test button before a run? I have lowered front tires to about 28 psi seemed to get better times that way and also seems to like launching around 1800 rpm! Thanks
My understanding is that Livernois, for the 2013-24, offers an excellent tune with or without the meth. But they could crank it more with the meth. I have been waiting 14 months for them to crank it up compared to the tune they had given me last May 2013. At that time, Dan from Livernois had told me he didn't have the time to crank it more so he preferred me to have a more conservative tune until he could take more time to figure it out with other cars with similar mods. 14 months later, they gave me my current tune. Car runs great, very smooth and great power, but it is actually slower than the tune I was running before and slower than my 2010 nonPP SHO that didn'T even have the downpipes. I have been communicating with them for the past 1-2 months waiting for them to give me a «more aggressive» tune, at least for track purposes... Still waiting...
You and me both, although I don't have the meth (yet). Im just not excited with the idea of purchasing the meth kit for my x (when it finally gets released) only to be sitting on it, that and I received a $3300 quote on a meth install from them
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on September 24, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
You and me both, although I don't have the meth (yet). Im just not excited with the idea of purchasing the meth kit for my x (when it finally gets released) only to be sitting on it, that and I received a $3300 quote on a meth install from them
That is absurd.
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on September 24, 2014, 04:11:49 PM
You and me both, although I don't have the meth (yet). Im just not excited with the idea of purchasing the meth kit for my x (when it finally gets released) only to be sitting on it, that and I received a $3300 quote on a meth install from them
Not sure if it's your "3" key or your "0" key that's sticking, but either way you should get that keyboard checked out.
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on September 24, 2014, 06:29:34 PM
Haha, seriously, I wish that was the case
Only modification I've made to this document is I removed my billing information
-the shipping costs...
But hey a $50 repeat customer discount on a $8235.00 quote is nice
I wont even point out the obvious that they have the 3 bar listed at $74.99 on their own website but quote me $150 here... Oh wait.
The quote is for a LAMBO RIGHT?
Well, it's not wholly unreasonable. The quote includes transportation charges. Nothing you can't arrange on your own, but it is nice to have that available. The labor to install the methanol & dyno is probably on the "high" side, but I don't know time & hourly rates. I think $1,000 is easily justifiable including installation, multiple dyno runs, and fine-tuning the tune if needed. I am sure you could negotiate with them (privately) for a more pleasing cost to you.
If you are an avid DIY'er, you can always buy a good kit & install yourself or with the help of friends. Become the first to write up a meth install for the X :D
I ordered just a tuner and a 170 stat about a year ago and until this day I am accustomed to the top notch service and modifications they have to offer.
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on September 24, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
Yea that's why I said -the delivery.
I have been back and forth in emails with them, always being polite. I'm not knocking these guys product in any way, I definitely love what it has done for my sport. But I do think my experience with their customer service has been subpar. Again, great product, I just personally feel like their customer service could really use some improvement. I dropped a little over 3k that included the tune, CAI, dp and exhaust, but this alone is more than that?
I may end up doing a diy kit afterall, I was just hoping to continue to give these guys business and save myself the headache, unfortunately at this point it doesn't look like the latter will be the case
Edit: I edited my post to not seem so biased against LMS, that was not my intention. Again I do indeed believe they make good products (as you can see from my sig I own a few). Plus I do not want to hijack this thread
Truthfully, the biggest issue is how far you are away. You are nearly 2,000 miles from us, and when we do a transport we leave from our facility, come to you, come back, and then do it again when the vehicle is done. So that's 8,000 miles of driving.
Our dually gets 9.5 MPG with our trailer behind it, diesel was 3.93 when we did the estimate. It also uses urea injection and will use about 5 gallons of it (it costs about $50 for this much urea). Now, factor food at 50/day (for 8 days, 4 days each trip), hotel stays (8 total, 4 per trip due to DOT "on duty" restrictions), tolls (approximately 350, 175 each time we are out), and we are at 4909 without factoring any wear/tear or even paying the person driving the vehicle.
Now, as far as looking at pricing on things. Pricing on the estimates on vehicle packages will never make sense when singling out an individual line item. Our estimates are always engineered to meet x amount of dollars. Sometimes you will see an estimate that has a part for hundreds of dollars more than retail, sometimes it will be below our cost. Why? because they are place holders. Just like the $50 discount. It's not actually $50, it's just a placeholder designating that you are getting a repeat customer discount.
Think of it like this.
A+B+C= 150. the =150 is the only number that matters to us. A, B, C can be any mix of numbers so long as they hit $150...
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on September 25, 2014, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on September 24, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
Yea that's why I said -the delivery.
I have been back and forth in emails with them, always being polite. I'm not knocking these guys product in any way, I definitely love what it has done for my sport. But I do think my experience with their customer service has been subpar. Again, great product, I just personally feel like their customer service could really use some improvement. I dropped a little over 3k that included the tune, CAI, dp and exhaust, but this alone is more than that?
I may end up doing a diy kit afterall, I was just hoping to continue to give these guys business and save myself the headache, unfortunately at this point it doesn't look like the latter will be the case
Edit: I edited my post to not seem so biased against LMS, that was not my intention. Again I do indeed believe they make good products (as you can see from my sig I own a few). Plus I do not want to hijack this thread
Truthfully, the biggest issue is how far you are away. You are nearly 2,000 miles from us, and when we do a transport we leave from our facility, come to you, come back, and then do it again when the vehicle is done. So that's 8,000 miles of driving.
Our dually gets 9.5 MPG with our trailer behind it, diesel was 3.93 when we did the estimate. It also uses urea injection and will use about 5 gallons of it (it costs about $50 for this much urea). Now, factor food at 50/day (for 8 days, 4 days each trip), hotel stays (8 total, 4 per trip due to DOT "on duty" restrictions), tolls (approximately 350, 175 each time we are out), and we are at 4909 without factoring any wear/tear or even paying the person driving the vehicle.
Now, as far as looking at pricing on things. Pricing on the estimates on vehicle packages will never make sense when singling out an individual line item. Our estimates are always engineered to meet x amount of dollars. Sometimes you will see an estimate that has a part for hundreds of dollars more than retail, sometimes it will be below our cost. Why? because they are place holders. Just like the $50 discount. It's not actually $50, it's just a placeholder designating that you are getting a repeat customer discount.
Think of it like this.
A+B+C= 150. the =150 is the only number that matters to us. A, B, C can be any mix of numbers so long as they hit $150...
All good thanks, but can you please address the concern of the OP? Is it possible to gain as much with the addition of a meth kit with the 2013-14 SHos compared to the 2010-12. It has been more than a year and a half and yet I am still behind what you guys had given me with my 2010 non-PP without dP. Now with my 2013 with PP and DP, my car is slower. Can you give us a tune as aggressive as the ones you offer in 2010-12 models? The OP is stating gains of about 0.2 sec on the 1/4 mile, but usually one should expects about 0.5 sec, right? Thanks! (btw, up here drag season is at its peak, so it'd be nice to enjoy a track tune before it ends!) ;)
Quote from: steve142857 on September 25, 2014, 10:55:56 AM
All good thanks, but can you please address the concern of the OP? Is it possible to gain as much with the addition of a meth kit with the 2013-14 SHos compared to the 2010-12. It has been more than a year and a half and yet I am still behind what you guys had given me with my 2010 non-PP without dP. Now with my 2013 with PP and DP, my car is slower. Can you give us a tune as aggressive as the ones you offer in 2010-12 models? The OP is stating gains of about 0.2 sec on the 1/4 mile, but usually one should expects about 0.5 sec, right? Thanks! (btw, up here drag season is at its peak, so it'd be nice to enjoy a track tune before it ends!) ;)
Truthfully, he is comparing two different tracks, on two different days. Couple that with a subpar 60' and It's about where it should be.
The biggest thing that I think people forget is that most of the "big gains" people saw in 1/4 mile times on the 10-12 were compared to our old tunes. Look at the times the 4x is running, and compare that to the old stage 4 tune. It's almost the gain people saw on methanol. So now the methanol will help, but the delta between the two will not be what it was 4 years ago.
Typically, .2-.3 is about what I would expect from methanol with that, and the appropriate tuning being the only difference.
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on September 25, 2014, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on September 24, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
Yea that's why I said -the delivery.
I have been back and forth in emails with them, always being polite. I'm not knocking these guys product in any way, I definitely love what it has done for my sport. But I do think my experience with their customer service has been subpar. Again, great product, I just personally feel like their customer service could really use some improvement. I dropped a little over 3k that included the tune, CAI, dp and exhaust, but this alone is more than that?
I may end up doing a diy kit afterall, I was just hoping to continue to give these guys business and save myself the headache, unfortunately at this point it doesn't look like the latter will be the case
Edit: I edited my post to not seem so biased against LMS, that was not my intention. Again I do indeed believe they make good products (as you can see from my sig I own a few). Plus I do not want to hijack this thread
Truthfully, the biggest issue is how far you are away. You are nearly 2,000 miles from us, and when we do a transport we leave from our facility, come to you, come back, and then do it again when the vehicle is done. So that's 8,000 miles of driving.
Our dually gets 9.5 MPG with our trailer behind it, diesel was 3.93 when we did the estimate. It also uses urea injection and will use about 5 gallons of it (it costs about $50 for this much urea). Now, factor food at 50/day (for 8 days, 4 days each trip), hotel stays (8 total, 4 per trip due to DOT "on duty" restrictions), tolls (approximately 350, 175 each time we are out), and we are at 4909 without factoring any wear/tear or even paying the person driving the vehicle.
Now, as far as looking at pricing on things. Pricing on the estimates on vehicle packages will never make sense when singling out an individual line item. Our estimates are always engineered to meet x amount of dollars. Sometimes you will see an estimate that has a part for hundreds of dollars more than retail, sometimes it will be below our cost. Why? because they are place holders. Just like the $50 discount. It's not actually $50, it's just a placeholder designating that you are getting a repeat customer discount.
Think of it like this.
A+B+C= 150. the =150 is the only number that matters to us. A, B, C can be any mix of numbers so long as they hit $150...
The delivery fee makes more sense now. Wouldn't it be far cheaper and much less hassle just to use a carrier service? Much less miles on his vehicle also....