Ok so I am just setting up the torque pro app profile for my 2014 XSport.
I have some questions for the profile set up.
Weight(with driver and fuel)-5290lb
Fuel capacity-18.6
1- boost adjustment:?
2- volumetric efficiency:?
3- mpg trim adjustment:?
4- obd speed multiplier:?
Once I plug in obd and connect nexus.
What should I be logging and what display set up should I use?
Thanks for any help
I'm pretty Sure boost adjustment is zero. 4DR knows. He helped me with it last summer. Sorry it's been awhile.
No boost adjustment
From the info I could find, the EB3.5 consumes 25 % more air than a stock 3.5 so I added that to the baseline 85% and set mine at 110%. With direct injection and lots of boost this number may peak substantially higher. Hopefully some smarter than me will chime in as I really can't find any concrete answers.
I have not messed with MPG trim adjustment, I'm not using torque to calculate fuel economy.
No OBD speed multiplier necessary IMHO.
Here is what I'm using
Boost adjustment: 0
Volumetric efficiency: 85%
mpg trim adjustment: 1.0
OBD Seed multiplier: 1.0
I took the volumetric efficiency to mean the resistance to the air flowing through the plumbing. With the turbos you will flow more air....but at the stated efficiency.
You make me second guess my interpretation. Interesting thought. Maybe do a little research on the Torque forum?
So what gauges are everyone running on torque? And what are the most important items to be viewing/logging?
Thx
I usually just do intake temp, air/fuel and boost of course.
In torque, what are their gauge names? I'm not familiar with all the language.. Sorry.. Learning as I go
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The bigger the display the more gauges you can display. You can fit a lot more on a Nexus 7 than on a phone. The bigger you make the gauges the fewer you can fit on the screen. If you play with it you will learn the names and figure out what is important to you and what looks pleasing to your eye. I'm sure everybody's displays will be unique. Also you can have more than one screen. So you can have a daily driver screen, a trip screen, and a race day screen. Knock yourself out! Enjoy!!
Blow up the dash pic I posted and you can see my layout. I run the following...
AFR commanded and measured
Short term fuel trim bank 1 (STFT on the gauge)
Long term fuel trim bank 1 (LTFT on the gauge)
Short term fuel trim bank 2
Long term fuel trim bank 2
Fuel rail pressure (Fuel Rail on the gauge)
Turbo vacuum/boost
Wheel Torque
Wheel Horsepower
Keep in mind, you can have multiple panels so if you can't fit everything on one page, you can move the noncritical stuff to another page.
You will notice blinking lights on all of your gauges and that they blink at different rates. These indicate the polling rate of that sensor.
Holding the gauge down allows you to completely change the gauge configuration and size without having to delete and start over.
Anyone add a custom PID to monitor something that Torque doesn't? I know torque has the trans temp as an option but it must not read the correct PID or it's trying to calculate the temp somehow.
I went to add a custom PID and was a bit scared since torque threw up a message saying a bad PID could damage the car. I don't quite understand how since it should only be reading data and not pushing data.
I would be careful. It may send a ping or some signal to a sensor in order to get an answer back. It is plugged into the computer so who knows what could happen....
Thx for all who responded.
I set up two screens and I think I'm happy with the set up. Now to start using it..
My ram mount won't be here till Friday or so and power install and the exhaust will get installed Friday.
Does torque only log the selected displays?
So Torque... which many are using successfully... warns that incorrect info can turn off features of the car, and that a "bad" (?= unrecognized?) PID used with it could damage the car. I agree with Dave. It is likely pinging the cars ECM to maintain contact and or ask for info. Does it have a manual?
These warnings may be routine, but I'd be contacting the developer Ian Hawkins at piemmm20@googlemail.com or calling him if you can find a phone number.
I'm just gonna stay away from the custom PID stuff for now..
I'm already in way over my head...lol
Other than a cool toy, I still have to figure out how this will be a benefit for me???
I figure if I learn it now I will be better off later if LMS releases a fuel system upgrade and turbos..
It's just nice to have the gauges and measuring devices. I really only used mine at the track to monitor intake temps and testing tunes on country roads. Like 0-60 and AFR on WOT at the high RPMs. It's fun to watch the boost too!
Could someone post a sho profile
Also
I'm new to nexus and am having a hard time working with torque app. Half the time when I touch or hold or click the gauges to edit I can't, i touch and touch then it will let me edit. Another thing, should I have something turned off while editing and not connected to to car? The app is constantly searching for vehicle
I set up my gauges and themes without connection to car..
The issue with touching screen is the tablet. You have to touch it so it doesn't move the screen or it doesn't recognize.
It's a pain.. Apple is better.... ;(
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Yes I tap and tap, it can take minutes to access one gauge. I never have enough time to set up one screen
Not connected to car but it's constantly searching for BT
While you are setting things up, it might be helpful to turn off the Bluetooth function on the tablet so it's not searching and attempting to connect to it's paired MX. When you are done setting up just set the Bluetooth to on before you put it back in the car. I like Apple better too!
Which nexus are you guys running? My now dead 2013 Nexus didn't seem to have these issues. Might want to drop into the Torque forums and let Ian know you're having issues.
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I think I'm getting it, when tapping a gauge don't move the screen. Works a lot better but still sensitive
I think I need to use it more, especially getting my meth dialed in. My boost gauge turns into a vacuum gauge when running and it mostly ran in the minus side, like -20 to -5
Sure like to get a boost and knock gauge working rite
I'm running a new 16g nexus7
My boost/vacuum gauge is the same.. IM running the new version 32g nexus7.
Quote from: bigmoneycloser on February 07, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
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What power source did you wire the USB to? Did you use a 1 amp or 2.1 amp USB? I'm looking at options to power my Nexus 7 in my F150 and was looking at doing a similar setup except in the tray on top of the dash. I am also looking at options of just installing a 12v Outlet up there and using a 2.1 USB Adapter in it. I can tap in to the USB ports in the radio but they are only 1 amp so I think I'm going to go directly to the fuse panel to make sure I'm getting plenty of power. I'm curious if you did the same.
This is a great looking way to install the Nexus. I particularly like the USB outlet on the pillar. Nicely done!
It may no longer be the case but the last generation of the Nexus used a special wall charger that shorted out the data pins in the USB cable to turn on the fast charge mode. Some specialty cables are available with shorted data pins to duplicate the effect and trick the tablet into fast charge mode while hooked up in the car. If Nexus has not changed this charging system, I would guess you will have to get a fast 2.1 amp car power supply (a lot of them are 1 amp) and a USB cable with shorted data pins in order to keep your Nexus topped up in normal operation. In my fairly light suburban use I lose maybe 2%to 3% of the battery while the Nexus sleeps over night and I can make that back up with probably 50 minutes of driving so for me the bottom line is, week in and week out I'm staying charged up.
They pulled power from an ignition source..not sure exactly where..
Sorry
Pid's are what the gauges are called?
Still trying to get a boost and a knock pid
I looked at that knock pid set up thread. Is that what I should do?
Boost is called Turbo Boost and Vacuum Guage
Quote from: Mikesb on February 09, 2014, 01:39:40 PM
Pid's are what the gauges are called?
Still trying to get a boost and a knock pid
I looked at that knock pid set up thread. Is that what I should do?
Boost is already built into the default gauge selection.
Quote from: Mikesb on February 09, 2014, 01:39:40 PM
Pid's are what the gauges are called?
Still trying to get a boost and a knock pid
I looked at that knock pid set up thread. Is that what I should do?
You can follow the directions in there to get a reading of knock. I've been using it reliably for some time now...
DEAD Battery this morning..
Only sat for 24hrs
I got some dumb questions for you.
First battery is dead on my truck. Ugh.
Here is situation. I left obd plugged in(which I have had plugged in since day one and it says it has a "battery saver feature")
I also left tablet plugged in.
Truck battery dead. Won't even unlock doors.
When i check tablet battery life it is almost dead as well.
So could the problem be leaving the tablet plugged in or the obd plugged in or is there any chance the USB port is drawing power 24/7??
Reality is it shouldn't be the obd and I didn't think leaving tablet plugged in while truck was off would draw power??
Once I get jumped.. I will check to see if obd turns off when truck is off and also check to see if tablet is charging when truck is off..
Thx
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Quote from: bigmoneycloser on February 14, 2014, 08:03:49 AM
DEAD Battery this morning..
Only sat for 24hrs
I got some dumb questions for you.
First battery is dead on my truck. Ugh.
Here is situation. I left obd plugged in(which I have had plugged in since day one and it says it has a "battery saver feature")
I also left tablet plugged in.
Truck battery dead. Won't even unlock doors.
When i check tablet battery life it is almost dead as well.
So could the problem be leaving the tablet plugged in or the obd plugged in or is there any chance the USB port is drawing power 24/7??
Reality is it shouldn't be the obd and I didn't think leaving tablet plugged in while truck was off would draw power??
Once I get jumped.. I will check to see if obd turns off when truck is off and also check to see if tablet is charging when truck is off..
Thx
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I recently had the same issue and was able to resolve it. Do you have the setting for the tablet to go to sleep once power is cut off set? I found that even if the truck was off but the tablet was still on it would still talk with the OBD plug and keep it awake. There is also a setting in Torque that needs to be checked to allow the MX plug to go to sleep after 600 sec that needs to be activated otherwise it won't go to sleep. The tablet being dead could be that sleep setting or could depend on the amp rating on your USB charger. If it's 1 amp then it won't keep up with the power output of the tablet while it's running Torque and scanning.
I agree with Bight. Make sure you find a power source for your tablet that goes dead on ignition off. Then have Torque turn itself off on power off. Then have the tablet go to sleep on power off. Have the tablet go into airplane mode on power off. The MX will take care of itself. If you do these things it can work perfectly!
My MX has been plugged in from day 1 with no issues.
Ok
Someone please help figure this out??
I have the nexus set up of off or sleep mode as soon as truck power is off.
But the mx obd still searches for Bluetooth while everything is off...
I changed every setting in torque that said it would turn off obd...
But it still is not turning off the blue tooth searching...
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Quote from: bigmoneycloser on February 16, 2014, 12:36:35 PM
Ok
Someone please help figure this out??
I have the nexus set up of off or sleep mode as soon as truck power is off.
But the mx obd still searches for Bluetooth while everything is off...
I changed every setting in torque that said it would turn off obd...
But it still is not turning off the blue tooth searching...
not sure you can turn off the mx searching for a home (Blu-tooth)... not sure you want to. The Nexus will be found quicker when it's on that way.
Quote from: bigmoneycloser on February 16, 2014, 12:36:35 PM
Ok
Someone please help figure this out??
I have the nexus set up of off or sleep mode as soon as truck power is off.
But the mx obd still searches for Bluetooth while everything is off...
I changed every setting in torque that said it would turn off obd...
But it still is not turning off the blue tooth searching...
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It is my understanding that the MX will go to sleep (ultra low power mode) but it still polls for the bluetooth signal. I see this behavior in my car....if I pull up torque in the house, the OBD wakes up and establishes communication with the MX then Torque tells me it can't communicate with the ECU. My MX powers down but once in a while you see a blue blink looking for the bluetooth signal....but it's very infrequent. The power draw is supposed to be extremely low while in this state, and like I said, I've had no issues.
Are you closing Torque when you get out of the car? If you leave it running in the background on the tablet, that may be the issue.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 16, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
Are you closing Torque when you get out of the car? If you leave it running in the background on the tablet, that may be the issue.
Testing that right now
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Seems like the easiest solution would be to pull out the MX tool when you park for the night. I understand it might be a little inconvenient but way easer and faster then having a dead battery all the time.
Quote from: bigmoneycloser on February 16, 2014, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 16, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
Are you closing Torque when you get out of the car? If you leave it running in the background on the tablet, that may be the issue.
Testing that right now
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You should also be able to set up your notifications on the tab to alert you in case you forget. My phone tells me constantly when I am changing dashboards or whatever when I'm in the house.
On my set up, torque goes to sleep (not off) as soon as power is cut. The Nexus follows in going to sleep in seconds. The MX takes care of itself. On power on everything reverses.
Quote from: futat2 on February 16, 2014, 01:02:36 PM
Seems like the easiest solution would be to pull out the MX tool when you park for the night. I understand it might be a little inconvenient but way easer and faster then having a dead battery all the time.
The MX is not the cause of the dead battery. It is all in the set up of the tablet and the App.
Ok
So this is what I found. When I kill power the nexus goes instantly into sleep mode. Which means torque is running in the back ground and the mx stays on and continues to have BT searching for connection..
But, if I quit torque and then kill power, the mx BT shuts down after about 6 minutes.
So that is pretty perfect....
I'm not sure if the BT is what killed my battery the other day or the nexus drawing power, but it should all be resolved now.
Thanks..
You don't have to manually quit Torque. You simply find the Torque set up menu and set Torque to go to sleep on power off. The Nexus is also separately set up to go to sleep a few seconds after power off. You then let the MX go to sleep on it's own. Simple, clean, automatic. Works every time. Almost every time that is. One time the Tablet locked up on me and stayed on when I shut off power and I had to reboot the tablet to get everything working again. I guess all things computer may need an occasional reboot.
One more thing.....if you are powering the Nexus from a power source that is dead when the ignition is cut, there is no way the tablet could drain your battery. That is key. You need to use switched power source!
There is a known issue with torque and the MX sleeping. If you checked the box in torque to put the mx to sleep it actually can keep the mx awake. I was told to uncheck this box then hold down the button on the mx until the led's start scanning. This puts the mx back to its stock setup and it should sleep properly. After you're away from the vehicle for a couple hours look at the mx (if you can) before opening the door or unlocking the door. If the green light is on (or blinking?) its not sleeping. Anything that causes a battery voltage dip (parking light flash, dome light, door locks) will wake the mx up. The mx WILL deeply discharge your battery all on its own if its not turning off. It's current draw by itself taking no readings is pretty high, ask me how I know :'(
You should root your nexus so you can quit torque, turn off the radios, and sleep the device when the ignition is turned off. Then when you turn the ignition on it will wake up the nexus, clear the keyguard, turn on the radios, launch torque, and do what ever else you want.
Quote from: bigmoneycloser on February 16, 2014, 02:49:57 PM
Ok
So this is what I found. When I kill power the nexus goes instantly into sleep mode. Which means torque is running in the back ground and the mx stays on and continues to have BT searching for connection..
But, if I quit torque and then kill power, the mx BT shuts down after about 6 minutes.
So that is pretty perfect....
I'm not sure if the BT is what killed my battery the other day or the nexus drawing power, but it should all be resolved now.
Thanks..
Bluetooth consumes a fair amount of power. Consider the difference in battery life with your phone when BT is enabled. I love the feature in Torque that turns BT on and off your device on program start and end.
Yup
I think I got it figured out.
As long as I quit torque, the obd shuts down and stops searching for BT and the nexus sleeps at ignition kill.
Good to go
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