Has anyone heard about CR Performance out of Canada? They're on the F150 forum informing members they make billet compressor wheels for the ecoboost platforms. They offer a setup for the SHO for $189 plus shipping. Something to think about if your in the market for upgraded compressor wheels.
Here's a link....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-3-5L-EcoBoost-Performance-Upgrade-Billet-Wheel-Set-Taurus-SHO-Flex-2010/122459970729?hash=item1c832edca9:g:E3sAAOSwsFpaLVQ3 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-3-5L-EcoBoost-Performance-Upgrade-Billet-Wheel-Set-Taurus-SHO-Flex-2010/122459970729?hash=item1c832edca9:g:E3sAAOSwsFpaLVQ3)
Yes i just installed a set i got the rebuild kit with wheels.
Rebuild my self was easy.
You must get them balanced.
I do however have some noise that is new its like a whoosh/ping sound and i belive i might have a boost leak after reinstalling them.
Its not a engine problem for sure I can clearly tell its one of my turbos.
It could have a balance issues or maybe I messed up and didn't prime the turbos enough at first.
The owner is awsom and is very helpful.
I would buy them again and eill for my SHO when I get this odd noise figured out with my FLEX first.
I can say my car runs way way way way better than before but it did have very very bad Turbos to begin with.
My car will launch so hard now it breaks all 4 tires loise 1st 2nd easy.
Im just not digging the strange sound im getting.
Does your car have any in cabin sound as it is now from tne Turbos ?
Im trying to add pics but cant figure it out???
Sorry for all the typos.
My phone screen is a bit broke.
It looks like my pics went thats good.
CR Performance Billet Flank Milled Upgrade Compressor Wheels & Rebuild Kit for the Ford Taurus SHO, Flex, Explorer 3.5L EcoBoost
Comes with a set of both Right Bank and Left Bank Billet Performance Compressor Wheels & Rebuild Kits as shown.
Application: 3.5L EcoBoost Transverse Engine Mounted Models using 790317-0006 & 790318-0008 Turbochargers
2010-2016 3.5L V6 EcoBoost Ford Taurus SHO
2010-2016 3.5L V6 EcoBoost Ford Explorer
2010-2016 3.5L V6 EcoBoost Ford Flex
2010-2016 3.5L / 3.7L V6 EcoBoost Ford Police Interceptor Sedan / Utility
2010-2016 3.5L V6 Lincoln MKS / MKT
Turbo Model: 790317-0006 & 790318-0008 / AA5E-96438-GE & AA5E-6K682-BH / AA5Z-6K682-E & AA5Z-6K682-F
Blades: 6+6 Forward Rotation
Inducer: 36.3mm
Exducer: Base 49mm Extended Tip 52.2mm
Blade Height: 20.7mm
Bore: 5.08mm Thr
These Compressor wheels offer the following advanced features.
Modern Extended Tip Technology - Increasing capable boost pressures and increasing surge margin, therefore reducing surge. Provides typically in the range of 4-8 lb boost increase.
High Flow Design - Slim hub/nose design and advanced blade design provides a higher flow at compressor choke and through the entire operating range. Higher blade heights give proven higher performance.
Fast Spool Times - Weighing in at 27 grams these compressor wheels are ready to spool fast.
Stock Housing Fitment - No compressor housing modifications required.
Higher Performance Modern Design - Out performs stock with a larger extended tip exducer and higher blade height over stock.
The Included Rebuild Kit comes as shown with the following for each turbocharger
- 360 Degree Thrust Bearing
- 360 Thrust Collar
- 360 Thrust Spacers
- Journal Bearings
- Journal Bearing locating pin
- Turbine End Piston Ring
- Compressor End Piston Ring
- Compressor Lock Nut
- Upgrade High Temperature Seal Plate O Ring (Note not shown in photo but will be included in kit)
- Compressor Cover O Ring Seal
- Waste gate Actuator Clip
- 4x Seal Plate Bolts
- 6x Compressor Cover Housing Bolts
- 6x Stainless Hex Bolts
All our compressor wheels are single plane balanced right out of the box however we recommend a full rotating assembly balancing, please have your installer balance the assembly or contact us as we offer a full balancing service if you send us your turbine.
I like it, and guess if you ever need to rebuild your stockers then this is a great option. But I'd need to see numbers before doing this to a set of perfectly good stockers before being able to justify the work involved.
It took me about 2.5 hrs to remove both Turbos laying on my back in a cold garage.
They definitely seem to be a good deal. I initially saw them on a F150 forum. Not sure what the noise is that your experiencing. That would have me concerned. But good to know your seeing a performance gain with them. I'm in the market for a set of billet compressor wheels. I'd like to get the wheels from EcoPowerParts but they're $600 and these CR Performance wheels are only $205 shipped. But that noise your hearing makes me wonder if there's an issue with their setup.
To be 100% honest i dont belive its the CR parts.
My turbos were pretty smoked the piston rings seals were basically welded to the turbine shafts.
The shop had a hell of a time getting them out to replace them.
I belive the turbine shafts are just toast.
Even though they got balanced i think its just not perfectly round especially the turbine side were the seal goes.
Funny thing is i have zero oil blow by no smoke and super great performance.
Also my tune could be off for them also.
I am in the process of looking for new turbine shafts that will be a direct fit to stock parts.
Im havin a hell of a time though but i belive i will find them .
Someone must know what will work AS far as the turbine shafts and bearings that go in it????
Anybody know what will fit without having the housings machined?
Can we use a different exducer and inducer on the turbine side .
It would not bother me to get even faster spool but not sure if the car would like it .
I never do over 90 on public streets never and if i do it very rare.
I like the launch better than top end.
What size journal bearings would i need if i wanted to go to a larger size so i can have my factory shafts fixed ?
I cant belive there is so little info on the turbos and why cant we get a turbine shafts for em??
Bottom line im convinced the problem is user error or the shafts.
I recommend the BILLET wheels for sure.
For all i know i smoked the bearing when i started the car but i did pull the coils and pre primed them.
I also used a turkey baster full of mobil 1 to fill the turbo oil lines when i installed them .
EDIT: I see this is wheels only. I was thinking CHRA for some reason. DOH
Contact Turbo Direct he should be able to help you with the shafts. He sells and installs upgraded wheels and center sections for the SHO... He's a good guy... call him
Hey man good looking out .
That the type of stuff i wanna hear.
Thanks for that.
I do belive thats most of my issues.
Ill call them for sure.
Do you know if our turbos are K03's?
Im also thinking that i may have the vacuum lines for the turbo bypass solenoid in the wrong spots.
I broke one of the nipples off and just took it off and replaced it without even thinking about it.
Can anybody tell me what hose goes where or take a clear pic of it.
Thanks in advance for everybody's help and comments.
If he can't help u call Dan at Deiselsite... he's a Garrett distributor
Thanks
No problem... I'm very interested to see what the cause of the noise is... keep us informed...thanks
Sure will
Quote from: Kingsped on January 05, 2018, 09:18:29 AM
I recommend the BILLET wheels for sure.
How can you recommend them without any proof they are better? I can stipulate that the noise is not caused by the new wheels. But I didn't even see any flow bench results or any data from the manufacturer.
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I dont know either.
Thats why im asking.
I tought this is what this forum was for sharing information and experience.
I only recomed them based on my personal experience.
Eventually i will figure out what the noise is.
The manufacturer of said parts is on vacation but is going to send me all data anout them.
I know the company has nothing but good feed back just nothing about these particular ones.
I came on hear to ask questions and opinions.
So thanks for you opinion.
By the way
My shafts were pretty wasted im sure its causing some kind of issue.
When i get it figured out ill updated and bring all the data and dyno logs you want if thats ok with you.
Let's see what the future holds ... We are all curious about this alternative for the turbos, just a healthy dose of skepticism, as we have seen such things come & go. Hard data helps level the playing field at decision time, and that is what we strive for on this forum. So def don't take questions personally, they are not intended to be :)
Well there's been a few guys on this forum that have seen very good performance gains with upgraded compressor wheels. So it's been proven with dyno results that upgrade compressor wheels will provide additional performance. After looking at CR Performance reviews which are 100% positive and reading their post on a different ecoboost forum for the F150 they may be the really deal. Only time will tell...
Speaking about the F150's
They have options of changing turbine shafts/WHEELS.
Does anybody know if we could do the same .
I guess technically we can do what ever we want.
I have found some with the same size shaft but the inducer and exducer are different .
I am new this turbo stuff .
What will it do if i have a little bit higher inducer and exducer size?
And less blades.
Im not realy taking it personal but i see it all the time someone ask a question and they get attitude in return.
People get bashed for just having an opinion of there own.
I am no expert and never said I was..
Im just trying to learn .
Plus im more than willing to experiment with my car to try and come up with other options for people like me who have a s*** ton of kids in college and have to pay for their education instead of paying $2500 for upgraded Turbos when if there were more options for us we could do the same basic thing for hundres .
Quote from: Kingsped on January 06, 2018, 09:18:27 PM
Speaking about the F150's
They have options of changing turbine shafts/WHEELS.
Does anybody know if we could do the same .
I guess technically we can do what ever we want.
I have found some with the same size shaft but the inducer and exducer are different .
I am new this turbo stuff .
What will it do if i have a little bit higher inducer and exducer size?
And less blades.
Im not realy taking it personal but i see it all the time someone ask a question and they get attitude in return.
People get bashed for just having an opinion of there own.
I am no expert and never said I was..
Im just trying to learn .
Plus im more than willing to experiment with my car to try and come up with other options for people like me who have a s*** ton of kids in college and have to pay for their education instead of paying $2500 for upgraded Turbos when if there were more options for us we could do the same basic thing for hundres .
NO sore point my friend!
Its only a public Forum with open view's and opinions in respect to the OP! TIA. Z
Going to bigger wheels will do 2 things: 1. require machining of the housing to fit the new wheels. You want the tolerance between the blades and the housing pretty close to minimize the flow of gases going around and not pushing (or being pushed by) the blades. 2. It will theoretically slow down the spool. These turbos (Garret GT15) are tiny, so turbo lag is minimal (~1500 is when my torque kicks in on a stage 3 tune).
The advantage of the billet wheels is the extended tips so it's able to get a bigger grab of air. This really just allows a more stable pressure throughout the RPM range. It's able to feed the higher boost levels on the tuned vehicles all the way up to redline. The stock ones are unable and begin to lose pressure. It's actually pretty noticeable on my car above 5k RPM and I've played around with the shift points due to that fact. When the turbos need a rebuild, I plan to purchase the previously mentioned kit.
Quote from: Kingsped on January 06, 2018, 09:18:27 PMI'm not really taking it personal but i see it all the time someone ask a question and they get attitude in return. People get bashed for just having an opinion of there own.
You dont say.......
I see it all the time especially on the other ford flex forum.
But on this one as well.
As well as any FORUM about anything.
I JOINED THIS FORUM BECAUSE I LOVE MY ECOBOOST RIDES
I HAVE A SHO AND A FLEX.
I LOVE WORKING ON ANYTHING WITH A MOTOR
FORM CARS AND TRUCKS TO BIKE SNOWMOBILES AND EVEN LAWNMOWERS.
ALL I HOPE TO DO IS LEARN AND GAIN KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MY CARS.
ALL THIS TURBO STUFF IS NEW TO ME.
EVEN MY YAMAHA VIPER IS A TURBO.
I JUST HOPE TO NOT GET BASHED BECAUSE MY OPINIONS . ESPECIALLY FOR ONE THAT WAS SO OBVIOUS .
A MONKEY WOULD HAVE REALIZED THE POSITIVE GAIN IN PERFOMANCE FROM THE BILLET WHEELS.
I just found out that my shafts were pretty bad .
The turbine piston ring seal was basically welded in the groove of the shaft it almost could not even be removed to put the new one in.
I think it tweaked out the shaft or shafts
At least getting closer to the source of issues, if not THE issue!
Keeping my fingers crossed.
Im going to buy used shafts i found local
Hopfuly they check out.
If that dont work out I'm most likely going to buy some used Turbos from a local salvage yard for $175 each put them on for now and work on doing my own UPGRADE .
I have a cousin that claims he can machine my HOUSING to accept larger turbine and compressor wheels for basically free. (A lill beer and 4:20)
He has worked at a machine shop for 15 years but has neve done Turbos. He claims his boy has and will help to.
If that works i can have a similar upgrade to other well know ones in existence for a fraction of the cost.
Although im sure im still missing something with tjat also.
If anybody has junk Turbos let me know i may want to buy em i
Bump, what ever happened here?
Also, was this with a custom tune or stock?
Looking at replacing the oil seal in one of my turbos, and this wouldn't add much to the project.
Cheers
Its all good now.
The oils seals we're basicly welded in its groove.
I bought used turbos and just did the rebuild myself minus the balancing..
I paid only $40.00 for the rebalancing and they did it as a whole not just the shaft and wheels ..
The balancing was a epic deal.
At first no tune and car ran great def a difference but no data to back it up.
If you know your car you will just know from the very first time you gas it..
Now a 93 tune catless down pipes, meth injection.
This car moves almost to good for the crap Michigan roads I drive on daily spend more time trying to go slow instead of faster now..
You absolutely must get them balanced they will index the turbine and billet wheels .
Just line it all up ehen you put ot back together..
Also make darn sure you prime your turbos after the rebuild & before you start your car.
MAybe use some molly assembly lube or something..
I did the first rebuild and gad a awful noise and it wound up being my turbine shaft so I bought 2 used turbos off eBay just to get the turbine shafts.. (I got a great deal)
The second time I took them back out and rebuild them it only took me about an hour and 15 minutes to remove both Turbo then about another hour to reinstall after the rebuild I had them balanced both times it is very important to make sure they're balanced primed and use some type of assembly Lube during your rebuild keep everything spotlessly clean not a single Speck of dust
Right on, thanks for the follow up. I'm leaning toward getting the CHRA assemblies from ecopowerparts since I'm only 50% confident in my rebuild skills, and if it means I don't have to pull the turbos twice - that's worth it. Especially if they come already balanced.
Yeah i would to.
I just ENJOY this stuff man and it cost me more down time than money..
The rebuild is pretty straight forward.
I was un lucky and had damaged shafts from the get go but tried to re install anyways..
I am having a second set of full custom one of a kind turbos built as we speak .
I should be putin thoes on in june though.
If it all is goid i will start another post detailing exactly what parts i used ect,ect.
The custom one's are about 75% cheaper than the ATP set up so im keeping my fingers crossed..
Hello everyone new EB flex owner here just wanted to clarify a few things on this thread as I do have bit of turbo experience. (Worked for a Garrett Master distributor for 8 years) Sorry Kingsped I replied on the Flex forum before I saw you posted on here too.
1. As far as Kingspeds noise issues, those all stem completely from his turbos being waaaayy too damaged from the start for a standard rebuild. Also you said YOU did the rebuild but then you said "the shop" had trouble with the turbine? I hope it was a normal mechanic shop that failed to spot the turbines damage and not a turbo shop.
2. This kit is identical to what EcoPower is offering, maybe just sourcing parts elsewhere, or maybe not. But do realize they are essentially charging about $650 for each rotating assembly which isn't bad considering the price of the billet wheels and the fact that it comes as a ready to drop in cartridge. As J-Will mentioned this would be best suited for someone needing to rebuild stockers (in better shape than Kingsped) as the rebuild/upgrade itself would not net much gains to justify doing to good working turbos. Really the biggest gain from this package would be the Turbosmart actuators.
3. This is not comparable in any way really to the ATP turbos. Those things are considerably bigger in every aspect performance wise.