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Congrats to you and Brad!


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Yes, yes!

Bravo! Well done indeed.

'Gratz

Thank you! I definitely was NOT expecting what I ran. Was honestly hoping for a 12.5 with the DA being so high!

(https://i.imgur.com/9ejQ4j8.jpg)

Weight reduction was for sure on point!!

(https://i.imgur.com/WpnWXl7.jpg)

Other runs. 12.08 was the first run, 11.98 we pulled the exhaust off and the 12.23 was after a horrible launch that ended up with a 13.6 and was hot lapped.

Congrats!

So you gutted it, is it going to be a track car? I think it would be the first gen5 dedicated track car that's been gutted.


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Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 27, 2018, 10:33:05 PM
So you gutted it, is it going to be a track car? I think it would be the first gen5 dedicated track car that's been gutted.


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Haha! No way Jose. Still a street car. Realistically only takes about 30 minutes to get to that point now as far as stripping it out. Had it out previous on some "private roads" in that condition so I have it down to a system now. 8 total bolts for the front seat and the back seat to be removed so it's pretty dang easy to get her gutted pretty well.

What is stage 8 weight reduction?

Quote from: Jordan on August 27, 2018, 10:35:19 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 27, 2018, 10:33:05 PM
So you gutted it, is it going to be a track car? I think it would be the first gen5 dedicated track car that's been gutted.


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Haha! No way Jose. Still a street car. Realistically only takes about 30 minutes to get to that point now as far as stripping it out. Had it out previous on some "private roads" in that condition so I have it down to a system now. 8 total bolts for the front seat and the back seat to be removed so it's pretty dang easy to get her gutted pretty well.

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Stage 8 weight reduction is just a joke because weight reduction is weight reduction lol.

Here is the video of the run including 4 different angles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8tbMFtJPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8tbMFtJPE)

Quote from: Jordan on August 27, 2018, 10:42:34 PM
Stage 8 weight reduction is just a joke because weight reduction is weight reduction lol.

Here is the video of the run including 4 different angles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8tbMFtJPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8tbMFtJPE)

Ok
What are you doing just taking out the passenger seats?

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Look above and you can see what I took out.

Kick @$$ on those multi-angle videos!

Most impressive.

Watching those and recalling your (brief) time in the saddle, certainly must be providing you the foundation to experience that infamous "perma-grin"..... yes?

This is how 11 second runs (or maybe lower in the future) should be properly captured.

Quote from: bpd1151 on August 27, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Kick @$$ on those multi-angle videos!

Most impressive.

Watching those and recalling your (brief) time in the saddle, certainly must be providing you the foundation to experience that infamous "perma-grin"..... yes?

This is how 11 second runs (or maybe lower in the future) should be properly captured.

After a fabled "11.3" run I wanted to make sure there was AMPLE evidence of the run because I don't believe you should make any claims with just a photo of a time slip. I ran a 12.08 previously and wanted to make sure it was filmed if I go any faster. I have I think one video of the 12.08 run and a gopro video on the car of the 12.08 run (which unfortunately I forgot to turn on for the 11.98 run) Thankfully I was surrounded by a lot of friends that day from my local car group who were ecstatic for me as well who filmed the second run! I was completely flustered and out of my mind after these runs. I was all over the place and this was the first time ever at being at a strip. Was a complete blast!

You've served the SHO community well by documenting it in the manner that you have/did.

HUGE Kudos for doing that.

Truly appreciated.

Good run bro, watched it from the staging lane, might even be on my go pro!

Awesome run!  I love watching the videos!  Shout out to Brad!  Looks like yet another tune dialed in to perfection! Weight reduction is definitely effective!  My first trip to the track was on my way to a weekend getaway.  Ran 12.6, 12.5 and some more 12.6's.  Then I took about 40-50 lbs of luggage out.  I improved my overall time by .3 for a 12.3 at that time.  I'm right behind you buddy.  I think my turn is coming up next.  Aside from weight reduction, cooler temps also help.  This is cool bc I've thought of gutting my car...its so tempting....for me I'm still on the fence about it.  For me it's like the same category as drag radicals.  I want an 11 so bad but I want to do it with street tires and full interior....lol then maybe gut the b#### to satisfy the curious George in me Ha! 

Ok...where are the videos? Am I the only one not seeing them?

Quote from: ToMang07 on August 28, 2018, 08:08:27 AM
Ok...where are the videos? Am I the only one not seeing them?

Look at the bottom of the first post

Well there's my derp moment for the day.

Good run!

You Suck...

No Seriously I AM SO Jealous,

GREAT JOB, You and Brad

we NOW have something to Aim for

Nice job dude.  I love my Brad e30 tune, he kicks ass.

Oh hey, besides the kudos and the accolades I've previously bestowed.....

I completely overlooked the "Welcome To The 11's Club!".

A rather elusive, small grouping of owners who've crossed into that realm to date.

So again, hats off to you and Brad and welcome to the club!

Thank you thank you! I'm looking forward to continuing on at some point and going even further! More modifications to come but I think for the time being stock hpfp will stay. Pretty sure this is first stock hpfp with pump fuel in the 11s?

Pretty sure yes.  I think 91hybrid was running methanol he got into the 11s as well.
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5401 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5401)

Quote from: Jordan on August 27, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Mod list: AJPTurbo tuned 15 psi
OBX poopy catless downpipes
Sp542 precision gapped with a hammer to probably.026
Msd coils
3 bar
Livernois intake
Ebay compressor wheels
E30 93 octane and poopy e62 mixed like it was e85 (probably more around e25)
Stage 8 weight reduction
170 degree thermostat
Epp noisemaker delete

100% stock fueling on 100% regular pump fuel. Same tune was driven home.

WOW!  Congrats!

So besides the tune (congrats to Brad too!), which of your mod list is the biggest reason for this?

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Quote from: Jordan on August 27, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Mod list: AJPTurbo tuned 15 psi
OBX poopy catless downpipes
Sp542 precision gapped with a hammer to probably.026
Msd coils
3 bar
Livernois intake
Ebay compressor wheels
E30 93 octane and poopy e62 mixed like it was e85 (probably more around e25)
Stage 8 weight reduction
170 degree thermostat
Epp noisemaker delete

100% stock fueling on 100% regular pump fuel. Same tune was driven home.

WOW!  Congrats!

So besides the tune (congrats to Brad too!), which of your mod list is the biggest reason for this?

I'm going to have to say weight reduction played a gigantic role

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
I'm going to have to say weight reduction played a gigantic role

My apologies if I missed it in the thread, but how much weight do you think you removed?

I'm going to estimate 300-350 lbs. <1/4 tank of fuel

Quote from: Blackhawk on August 28, 2018, 03:56:03 PM
Tune, DPs and some race gas mixed in
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6895.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6895.0.html)

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 01:10:44 PM
Thank you thank you! I'm looking forward to continuing on at some point and going even further! More modifications to come but I think for the time being stock hpfp will stay. Pretty sure this is first stock hpfp with pump fuel in the 11s?

Pump fuel only. No race fuel added.

Quote from: Blackhawk on August 28, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
Both cases are mixing high octane fuel into 93 and that car was fully stock turbos.  They do sell high octane at gas stations if you look hard enough :)

Yes, but not only is 100 pump fuel marketed as race fuel. e85 blends run out of fueling in the top end and doesn't give a huge advantage over regular 93, but it is better. Race fuel blend is not exactly comparable to an e30 blend. He even stated it was a race fuel blend. What octane we don't know.

Next runs I do will absolutely be on race fuel because I believe a couple more tenths could be knocked off that way easily at this rate.

EDIT: I might just be hangry, congrats on the 11's.

Haha my whole claim was stock hpfp pump fuel. On another note when the eBay wheels were put on no revisions were made. They probably make a difference but how measurable is another thing. Maybe if the boost was higher. Tried to get brad to make it a little hotter, but he said it was a perfect daily tune

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
Haha my whole claim was stock hpfp pump fuel. On another note when the eBay wheels were put on no revisions were made. They probably make a difference but how measurable is another thing. Maybe if the boost was higher. Tried to get brad to make it a little hotter, but he said it was a perfect daily tune

Yea, Brad is pretty good. He did wonders for my 2010. Experiments and all lol.


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Brad is always down to experiment. He loves to learn. I asked him about a ghost cam tune because I saw another tuner who did it and he as totally down to try and experiment with it. Very insightful in his responses too. Tells you what he is doing.

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 06:27:18 PM
Brad is always down to experiment. He loves to learn. I asked him about a ghost cam tune because I saw another tuner who did it and he as totally down to try and experiment with it. Very insightful in his responses too. Tells you what he is doing.

Yup, I was the first for a lot of his stuff. Always kept me in the loop. FoMoCoSHO was too for a lot of the eblended stuff Brads got... (insert another snarky comment here)

My 2010 had 11's in it... just never got there due to traction issues.


Excited to see what you and him can cook up next!


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Hell yea! Awesome.. thats like a mid 11 with that DA.  How did those ebay billet wheels go? Was brad able to get more psi out of them, better spool?

Quote from: NITSOOB on August 28, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
Hell yea! Awesome.. thats like a mid 11 with that DA.  How did those ebay billet wheels go? Was brad able to get more psi out of them, better spool?

Not sure on improvements of them. Considering the hassle to get it all done I wouldn't ever do it again. No revisions were made on the tune after I sent him a log with the updated compressor wheels on the car.

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 09:28:21 PM

Quote from: NITSOOB on August 28, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
Hell yea! Awesome.. thats like a mid 11 with that DA.  How did those ebay billet wheels go? Was brad able to get more psi out of them, better spool?

Not sure on improvements of them. Considering the hassle to get it all done I wouldn't ever do it again. No revisions were made on the tune after I sent him a log with the updated compressor wheels on the car.

Nice job, I'm loving it! Honestly when you sent me the slip I was thinking that the track was fast and the timing system was off because your mod list didn't jive to me and then I caught wind that you were running reduced weight. But that still is awesome for that DA. I guess don't underestimate weight reduction.


And yeah I remember in May you mentioned upgraded wheels then more recently you told me that you just got stock replacement turbos...So we did look at a datalog to make sure nothing was crazy and out of whack but it didn't seem that a revision was necessary..That makes me kind of want to say that the airflow model was not skewed too bad meaning the wheels didn't make too much of a difference or I would've had to tweak the fueling.


If you run better than you just did in better air that would be freaking awesome....Stuff like this is really satisfying for me. I like seeing my work and when people are happy about their cars performance it's awesome knowing you did that. And kind of a power trip lol


A honestly your tune is safe too I would say....You have shifting torque reductions in place, throttle control for boost/load. So for people to say that you must have the throttle wide open for performance may not fully understand the ecoboost boost control. And only 15 psi!

Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2018, 10:07:19 PM

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 09:28:21 PM

Quote from: NITSOOB on August 28, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
Hell yea! Awesome.. thats like a mid 11 with that DA.  How did those ebay billet wheels go? Was brad able to get more psi out of them, better spool?

Not sure on improvements of them. Considering the hassle to get it all done I wouldn't ever do it again. No revisions were made on the tune after I sent him a log with the updated compressor wheels on the car.

Nice job, I'm loving it! Honestly when you sent me the slip I was thinking that the track was fast and the timing system was off because your mod list didn't jive to me and then I caught wind that you were running reduced weight. But that still is awesome for that DA. I guess don't underestimate weight reduction.


And yeah I remember in May you mentioned upgraded wheels then more recently you told me that you just got stock replacement turbos...So we did look at a datalog to make sure nothing was crazy and out of whack but it didn't seem that a revision was necessary..That makes me kind of want to say that the airflow model was not skewed too bad meaning the wheels didn't make too much of a difference or I would've had to tweak the fueling.


If you run better than you just did in better air that would be freaking awesome....Stuff like this is really satisfying for me. I like seeing my work and when people are happy about their cars performance it's awesome knowing you did that. And kind of a power trip lol


A honestly your tune is safe too I would say....You have shifting torque reductions in place, throttle control for boost/load. So for people to say that you must have the throttle wide open for performance may not fully understand the ecoboost boost control. And only 15 psi!

Hah Brad well I guess it's time to turn it up and hit for deep 11's eh?

Congrats!!!  That's hauling the mail!  I look forward to what you run once the DA drops! 

Isn't the point of the upgraded compressor wheels to help sustain boost at higher RPM's?  This is something I'm interested in doing, but if they don't effectively do that, then I'll pass. 

Quote from: limited02 on August 28, 2018, 10:17:35 PM
Congrats!!!  That's hauling the mail!  I look forward to what you run once the DA drops! 

Isn't the point of the upgraded compressor wheels to help sustain boost at higher RPM's?  This is something I'm interested in doing, but if they don't effectively do that, then I'll pass.

Honestly for the money it's not hard to do it, but you have to understand that the downtime and the balancing of the turbos can take a couple weeks so you are without proper turbos (assuming you are fixing something) for an extended period of time and the gains are extremely minimal if anything at all. Overall it cost me like $325 extra over just having the turbos replaced and I would NOT do it again because it literally was not worth the hassle.

*** trying real hard on facebook to discredit the run. Thank lord it's extremely documented!

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 10:32:33 PM
*** trying real hard on facebook to discredit the run. Thank lord it's extremely documented!

Really!?!?!?!

Ha! What a F'n joke.

This after their "claimed" record run which I'll add, still has never been verified and as far as I know, still hasn't been approved by dragtimes (which I doubt it ever will either).

Nothing but nonsense from that camp.

So glad I don't do FB and even happier that the OP here went to the extent that they had/did, in order to properly document same.

Showing a folded up, half time slip, with a blurred image of a SHO instrument panel in the background does not constitute proof.

Most have already acknowledged that. No matter which tuner camp one hails from.

Congrats a 3rd time to the OP and AJP for their collective efforts.

Quote from: limited02 on August 28, 2018, 10:17:35 PM
Congrats!!!  That's hauling the mail!  I look forward to what you run once the DA drops! 

Isn't the point of the upgraded compressor wheels to help sustain boost at higher RPM's?  This is something I'm interested in doing, but if they don't effectively do that, then I'll pass.

They may be doing that. He had no problem hitting commanded boost targets. But honestly most SHO's don't have a problem sustaining boost at high rpm. 1st gear you usually get a natural boost taper but that's due more because the closed loop boost control system and how it handles corrections.


If you look at say a 3rd gear datalog the 3.5 will hold 16 psi or more relatively easy unless you have a bad turbo or 2 or a leak or a cracked housing. But in 1st gear and even 2nd gear the RPM sweep is so fast at WOT the boost control and logic can really adjust fast enough. You may have to add 40% of wastegate duty in a very short time and it's not really set up to do that. But you can manipulate it somewhat.....THat's where throttle control is helpful...You can pre-emptively run a bit more wastegate duty to prespool and if or when you overshoot the boost target a bit the throttle will step in to control boost/load.

Yes nice job on the proper documentation and keeping it classy by NOT writing "Suck it" on your time slip...You wouldn't want to make people laugh at you or think you are a 15 year old or a man with a small ding ding.

Honestly, I was documenting their every step and my own steps from the very beginning to have more than enough supporting evidence of the run. There is a reason there is 4 views of the same run ha! It amazes me their determination to make themselves look better than the competition. In the end competition is the best thing for any platform and should be taken with great strides because that means the platform itself is furthering itself and getting more efficient with that said competition. If anything it makes others want to be better which is a marvelous thing. We wouldn't be where we are today as humans if it weren't for the inherent want to compete with your friends and others.

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 10:32:33 PM
*** trying real hard on facebook to discredit the run. Thank lord it's extremely documented!

What is there to discredit? I'm all for picking something apart and exposing a lie but it all adds up. You have E30 which can allow almost race fuel spark, a strong car with fresh turbos, and a semi gutted interior and camera and vid shots of car, timeslip, and actual run with time at end of vid....indisputeable lol

Just leave the FB page... spare yourself the aggravation.

Trolls are the only things lurking over there...99% of those guys have never run at the track... and just base their "facts" on too many Paul Walker films... and unless your running 10's or faster your not quick, fast, or impressive. They do not care about the platform at all.

Nice run, good tuning, can't wait to see the next progression.



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Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2018, 10:51:30 PM

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 10:32:33 PM
*** trying real hard on facebook to discredit the run. Thank lord it's extremely documented!

What is there to discredit? I'm all for picking something apart and exposing a lie but it all adds up. You have E30 which can allow almost race fuel spark, a strong car with fresh turbos, and a semi gutted interior and camera and vid shots of car, timeslip, and actual run with time at end of vid....indisputeable lol

Stating the most *** thing ever... That I had a secret hit of nitrous somewhere... Of all things ha!

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 28, 2018, 10:51:41 PM
and just base their "facts" on too many Paul Walker films...


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Hey I like paul walker lol

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 10:32:33 PM
*** trying real hard on facebook to discredit the run. Thank lord it's extremely documented!

I joined that Facebook page the other day and I find it extremely entertaining!  It's certainly a whole nother world compared to these forums! Lol

Quote from: limited02 on August 28, 2018, 11:02:10 PM

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 10:32:33 PM
*** trying real hard on facebook to discredit the run. Thank lord it's extremely documented!

I joined that Facebook page the other day and I find it extremely entertaining!  It's certainly a whole nother world compared to these forums! Lol

Not going to lie sometimes I use it solely to pass time.

Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2018, 10:53:24 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 28, 2018, 10:51:41 PM
and just base their "facts" on too many Paul Walker films...


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Hey I like paul walker lol

... still waiting on my floorboards to loosen up due to too much nnnnnaaaawwwwssss!

In any event... I actually feel bad for Jordan cause FB is gonna rip that good run to s***...and they are gonna say AJPTurbo is lying... cause everyone over there is a tooner as well... ::eye roll:::




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I mean... if William Proctor can run 11.7's with Meth... 26degrees of spark with 15psi to redline....and they all polish his knob...

How hard is it to believe an E30 tune with weight reduction with similar boost (dunno about spark) can hit 11's on a really good day?

Oh well...


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Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 28, 2018, 11:23:09 PM

Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2018, 10:53:24 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 28, 2018, 10:51:41 PM
and just base their "facts" on too many Paul Walker films...


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Hey I like paul walker lol

... still waiting on my floorboards to loosen up due to too much nnnnnaaaawwwwssss!

In any event... I actually feel bad for Jordan cause FB is gonna rip that good run to s***...and they are gonna say AJPTurbo is lying... cause everyone over there is a tooner as well... ::eye roll:::




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To be honest nobody but *** is on ***'s side. Everyone is giving them a hard time. They are back tracking now and trying to get their SHO's to run an 11 with no nitrous.

Quote from: Jordan on August 28, 2018, 11:26:07 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 28, 2018, 11:23:09 PM

Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2018, 10:53:24 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 28, 2018, 10:51:41 PM
and just base their "facts" on too many Paul Walker films...


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Hey I like paul walker lol

... still waiting on my floorboards to loosen up due to too much nnnnnaaaawwwwssss!

In any event... I actually feel bad for Jordan cause FB is gonna rip that good run to s***...and they are gonna say AJPTurbo is lying... cause everyone over there is a tooner as well... ::eye roll:::




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To be honest nobody but *** is on ***'s side. Everyone is giving them a hard time. They are back tracking now and trying to get their SHO's to run an 11 with no nitrous.

Typical...


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The FB thread was highly entertaining.

Quote from: sm105k on August 29, 2018, 09:54:44 AM
The FB thread was highly entertaining.

Oh toss us non-users a few screen shots to see what we missed.

Akin to the highlight reel so to speak. Certainly don't need all of them.

Pick out the most comical ones in your opinion.

Quote from: bpd1151 on August 29, 2018, 10:33:12 AM

Quote from: sm105k on August 29, 2018, 09:54:44 AM
The FB thread was highly entertaining.

Oh toss us non-users a few screen shots to see what we missed.

Akin to the highlight reel so to speak. Certainly don't need all of them.

Pick out the most comical ones in your opinion.

Too many....


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Basically me calling them out very crudely and then shoving evidence in their face repeatedly for 200+ comments so far. I'll have to see what I can do for a highlight real later today ha!

Quote from: Jordan on August 29, 2018, 10:52:38 AM
Basically me calling them out very crudely and then shoving evidence in their face repeatedly for 200+ comments so far. I'll have to see what I can do for a highlight real later today ha!

Yes I don't do FB either but I want to see lol....ANd I noticed your sig line with your time doesn't have a tuner? ;D

I don't know what you are talking about of course it does ;) I've been handing out your info left and right on Facebook hopefully some of them mention me like I've been telling them to!

I'll have to pull some screen shots later for yall

Quote from: Jordan on August 29, 2018, 11:12:14 AM
I don't know what you are talking about of course it does ;) I've been handing out your info left and right on Facebook hopefully some of them mention me like I've been telling them to!

I'll have to pull some screen shots later for yall

Brad,

He is.  Pretty much anyone that has your tunes is singing your praise including myself over at SHOForum too.  The FB group is quite funny to watch.  *** bias....holy crap.  11.3 lol.....

Was this on their page or one of the ecoboost pages? 
I skimmed the *** group this morning and did not see a thread in their group posting your results.  Though I saw a post eluding to needing someone in the group to get a better run W/O NOS to shut the h8rs (my language, theirs is more colorfull) up and how he had brow beating someone into pulling their post with a record setting time....

Quote from: bpd1151 on August 29, 2018, 10:33:12 AM

Quote from: sm105k on August 29, 2018, 09:54:44 AM
The FB thread was highly entertaining.

Oh toss us non-users a few screen shots to see what we missed.

Akin to the highlight reel so to speak. Certainly don't need all of them.

Pick out the most comical ones in your opinion.

The problem trying to do that is that literally every other or three words in most posts they are calling someone a foul name, cursing, etc.  So trying to screenshot anything and post here would likely not please the admins/Mods..

Ford Taurus sho owners group and you are correct they can't behave themselves so some of the responses would not be welcome here feel free to look on your own though. And he thought he got me to delete the post because I blocked him

Quote from: Jordan on August 29, 2018, 12:45:22 PM
Ford Taurus sho owners group and you are correct they can't behave themselves so some of the responses would not be welcome here feel free to look on your own though.

That group is a joke... it's worse than AWD Army..

I left it some time ago when I raised concerns about the new dual feed intake system not sealing off the filter element from the engine bay heat.. and was told it doesn't matter how hot the air coming in is...

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The thread I am following on FB is in the Ford Taurus SHO Owners Club.  There are so many sub comments geez........

Quote from: sm105k on August 29, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
The thread I am following on FB is in the Ford Taurus SHO Owners Club.  There are so many sub comments geez........

I don't normally go hard... Unless it's ***.. Trying to discredit the most documented run in the last year

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 29, 2018, 12:46:12 PM

Quote from: Jordan on August 29, 2018, 12:45:22 PM
Ford Taurus sho owners group and you are correct they can't behave themselves so some of the responses would not be welcome here feel free to look on your own though.

That group is a joke... it's worse than AWD Army..

I left it some time ago when I raised concerns about the new dual feed intake system not sealing off the filter element from the engine bay heat.. and was told it doesn't matter how hot the air coming in is...

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The hot air comment is a joke?  Please tell me it is a joke.....

Quote from: Jordan on August 29, 2018, 12:48:26 PM

Quote from: sm105k on August 29, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
The thread I am following on FB is in the Ford Taurus SHO Owners Club.  There are so many sub comments geez........

I don't normally go hard... Unless it's ***.. Trying to discredit the most documented run in the last year

It's a complete waste of you time. No one wins a Facebook argument... best bet would have been to not post it... second bet is post it and not feed the trolls.


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Quote from: sm105k on August 29, 2018, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 29, 2018, 12:46:12 PM

Quote from: Jordan on August 29, 2018, 12:45:22 PM
Ford Taurus sho owners group and you are correct they can't behave themselves so some of the responses would not be welcome here feel free to look on your own though.

That group is a joke... it's worse than AWD Army..

I left it some time ago when I raised concerns about the new dual feed intake system not sealing off the filter element from the engine bay heat.. and was told it doesn't matter how hot the air coming in is...

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The hot air comment is a joke?  Please tell me it is a joke.....

Nope... I was told I was being stupid... and that it's 100% up to the intercooler to cool it down... I gave up...

Then they released picture of the setup with a box around the filter element... after enough people made a recommendation to do so...


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Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 29, 2018, 12:50:55 PM

Quote from: sm105k on August 29, 2018, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on August 29, 2018, 12:46:12 PM

Quote from: Jordan on August 29, 2018, 12:45:22 PM
Ford Taurus sho owners group and you are correct they can't behave themselves so some of the responses would not be welcome here feel free to look on your own though.

That group is a joke... it's worse than AWD Army..

I left it some time ago when I raised concerns about the new dual feed intake system not sealing off the filter element from the engine bay heat.. and was told it doesn't matter how hot the air coming in is...

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The hot air comment is a joke?  Please tell me it is a joke.....

Nope... I was told I was being stupid... and that it's 100% up to the intercooler to cool it down... I gave up...

Then they released picture of the setup with a box around the filter element... after enough people made a recommendation to do so...


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Wow.....I want to get into a discussion with them about ambient air temps and why the ECU pulls timing for each 10 degrees over 100 degrees.........

Lol, I had to take a peek. Those kids are snorting dishwasher soap. I don't FaceSpace, but I do have a account for seeing families pictures and whatnot. Congratulations to the OP, those little girls hiding behind their social media posts aren't worth a squirt of piss on a runaway Cummins.

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Ford Taurus sho owners group and you are correct they can't behave themselves so some of the responses would not be welcome here feel free to look on your own though.

That group is a joke... it's worse than AWD Army..

I left it some time ago when I raised concerns about the new dual feed intake system not sealing off the filter element from the engine bay heat.. and was told it doesn't matter how hot the air coming in is...

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The hot air comment is a joke?  Please tell me it is a joke.....

Nope... I was told I was being stupid... and that it's 100% up to the intercooler to cool it down... I gave up...

Then they released picture of the setup with a box around the filter element... after enough people made a recommendation to do so...


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Wow.....I want to get into a discussion with them about ambient air temps and why the ECU pulls timing for each 10 degrees over 100 degrees.........

Don't... if you have an actual technical question that you want good feedback... ask it here...

Bradley would probably have a wealth of information on that question...


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Ford Taurus sho owners group and you are correct they can't behave themselves so some of the responses would not be welcome here feel free to look on your own though.

That group is a joke... it's worse than AWD Army..

I left it some time ago when I raised concerns about the new dual feed intake system not sealing off the filter element from the engine bay heat.. and was told it doesn't matter how hot the air coming in is...

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The hot air comment is a joke?  Please tell me it is a joke.....

Nope... I was told I was being stupid... and that it's 100% up to the intercooler to cool it down... I gave up...

Then they released picture of the setup with a box around the filter element... after enough people made a recommendation to do so...


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Wow.....I want to get into a discussion with them about ambient air temps and why the ECU pulls timing for each 10 degrees over 100 degrees.........

Don't... if you have an actual technical question that you want good feedback... ask it here...

Bradley would probably have a wealth of information on that question...


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Brad was the one that told me about the timing pulled over 100 degrees on the IAT2's.  Mine near 170 because it is hot here in Phoenix.  Once it gets colder I will see more timing.

Jordan now lives his life 11.98's at a time.  Congrats on the run there buddy!

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Jordan now lives his life 11.98's at a time.  Congrats on the run there buddy!

I don't know if that's a joke or.... ;) Haha just kidding thank you !

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Ford Taurus sho owners group

THAT group?!  I joined that group, got accepted, scrolled down a few pages to see what was there and left that group. Way too toxic.

It's not too bad if you don't take the stuff in there seriously.  But yeah, people actually looking for serious info might be misled ...

wow! awesome run. im seriously thinking about getting me an AJP E30 tune

Quote from: 92BlackGT on August 30, 2018, 05:47:50 AM
wow! awesome run. im seriously thinking about getting me an AJP E30 tune

Brad does amazing work and is super informative on what he does. We fine tuned this bad boy to perfection over 11 revisions. I say give it a try!

Quote from: 92BlackGT on August 30, 2018, 05:47:50 AM
wow! awesome run. im seriously thinking about getting me an AJP E30 tune

Absolutely do it.  Worth every penny.

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Quote from: 92BlackGT on August 30, 2018, 05:47:50 AM
wow! awesome run. im seriously thinking about getting me an AJP E30 tune

Brad does amazing work and is super informative on what he does. We fine tuned this bad boy to perfection over 11 revisions. I say give it a try!

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wow! awesome run. im seriously thinking about getting me an AJP E30 tune

I agree, nothing but happy with my Brad tune.

Absolutely do it.  Worth every penny.

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wow! awesome run. im seriously thinking about getting me an AJP E30 tune

Absolutely do it.  Worth every penny.

Yep. On my last AJP E30 revision (maybe as our gas here rocks). AJP usually has to loosen up on the controls and just let the SHO go. But E30 is an amazing performer. 0-60 and 60-140 is just nuts now.

Here is a couple of the other good runs from the other day.

SHO vs MK7 GTI upgraded turbo on radials 12.23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P9U3niH6oY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P9U3niH6oY)

SHO AJP vs SHO LMS93 w/ slight modifications made to the tune downpipes, plugs, 3 bar, drop in KN 12.08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqRfW5glvHQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqRfW5glvHQ)

I love the videos!  Haha the one against the GTI had me luahging at the end.  He flew by you after the race was over, not sure if that counts for anything but clearly he was the first to get his time slip 😆

What do you mean "slight modifications made to the tune LMS93 tune"?


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What do you mean "slight modifications made to the tune LMS93 tune"?


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Being that lms tunes with hp tuners others can modify the tune. He had a buddy of his lean it out a little and slightly tweak a couple things

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What do you mean "slight modifications made to the tune LMS93 tune"?


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Being that lms tunes with hp tuners others can modify the tune. He had a buddy of his lean it out a little and slightly tweak a couple things

LMS does not use HP Tuners from what I understand, HP Tuners still doesn't have full support for the 2010-2012 models. However, LMS does not mask their basic 93 tunes, and with HP Tuner software you can modify the parameters on an unmasked tune... you can do this with any unmasked tune.

There is someone out there who is ripping off other tuners tunes using HP Tuners.. It has happened to LMS and Gearhead at minimum which is just bad form. This is part of the reason why tuners are masking their tunes now. Basically masking the SWPN of the ECU and the Strategy so you cannot make adjustments or rip the tuning parameters off...

And tuners masking their tunes makes it a PIA to revert back to the stock strategy when you take the car to the dealership for work.. I really hope its not your friend doing this.. cause if it is, he is an ***hole.

On a side note: Did you do a baseline dyno before and after leaning out the mixture? Curious if it netted him anything.

Haha after all that the last comment was priceless!!  From 😡 to 😏

It's not him. It's his friend making the adjustments. And that makes sense on what you said. I was just under that assumption. This guy is a small local guy who isn't in the market to sell tunes. Mostly just tunes his own stuff or in this case improving on it.

And he hasn't been to a dyno none really local as far as that goes but he ran a 12.5 with said tune so knowing lms 1/4 times it has to be making a slight difference.

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Haha after all that the last comment was priceless!!  From 😡 to 😏

LMS does run richer than any other tuner I have tried.. they do dyno test their AF mixtures but they always err on the side of safety... I am curious how much more power their tunes can produced if leaned out..

I don't agree with it but I'm not going to tell him what he can and can't do.

Quote from: Jordan on August 31, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
It's not him. It's his friend making the adjustments. And that makes sense on what you said. I was just under that assumption. This guy is a small local guy who isn't in the market to sell tunes. Mostly just tunes his own stuff or in this case improving on it.

And he hasn't been to a dyno none really local as far as that goes but he ran a 12.5 with said tune so knowing lms 1/4 times it has to be making a slight difference.

Did he run on the base 93v11 tune from LMS? I am not arguing, simply curious if there is any factual data back up that claim.

I'm not sure on the specifics of what he ran as far as what it was on the original

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?carmodel=274&op1=%3E%3D&data1=2010&search2=et&op2=%3C%3D&data2=&days=10000000&carmake=15&name=Search+DragTimes (http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?carmodel=274&op1=%3E%3D&data1=2010&search2=et&op2=%3C%3D&data2=&days=10000000&carmake=15&name=Search+DragTimes)

We official now boys.

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http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?carmodel=274&op1=%3E%3D&data1=2010&search2=et&op2=%3C%3D&data2=&days=10000000&carmake=15&name=Search+DragTimes (http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?carmodel=274&op1=%3E%3D&data1=2010&search2=et&op2=%3C%3D&data2=&days=10000000&carmake=15&name=Search+DragTimes)

We official now boys.

Sweet!

Congrats. :thumb:

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Congrats!

Went out on C20 instead of pump fuel couldn't cut a good 60 foot time but here is every run from that day.

(https://i.imgur.com/iL3Tmp8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ERFWtQ0.jpg)

Track prep just wasn't there but I had a great time with a bunch of friends!

Sweeeeet runs!  :thumb:  Congrats Jordan. Z   :)

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Went out on C20 instead of pump fuel couldn't cut a good 60 foot time but here is every run from that day.

(https://i.imgur.com/iL3Tmp8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ERFWtQ0.jpg)

Track prep just wasn't there but I had a great time with a bunch of friends!

So you are running 116mph on stock turbos without meth? I understand what c20 is, but that's a rather large bump in power on 105 octane. Either way impressive runs

Yep she ran 113 on e30 and 117 was the highest I saw on c20. I'm really curious to see what it will do once the da is more near 1000 on a sticky track. Looking into getting some wheels and tires that might give me a bit more traction over the stock 19." No methanol here but I'm sure that would make the car so much more happy considering lowest pre run intake temp I saw was about 120 after soaking  the intercooler with some ice water

Honestly I'm just curious at how far I can get with out methanol, nitrous, upgraded hpfp and atp turbos. Just kind of want to see what's possible once the weather cooperates

I'm curious as to how fast I can go without meth to but you are seriously kicking my tail lol. I've only run my car at full weight though. Also I just started tuning with ajp as well I only have revision 1 on there now and it feels really good.

Quote from: Jordan on September 17, 2018, 02:46:43 PM
Honestly I'm just curious at how far I can get with out methanol, nitrous, upgraded hpfp and atp turbos. Just kind of want to see what's possible once the weather cooperates

I must say this weight reduction thing has got me really curious as to where Id be at.  And to take a step further I think it would be cool to gut it and add a roll cage, light weight racinging seats, even an aluminum hood.  4 street drag radials on each corner.  Basically a full time street/drag car.  Racing seats would accommodate the occasional passenger. 

Probably cheaper set up than atp turbo upgrades.  Lol!

Quote from: shoNoff on September 17, 2018, 03:57:22 PM
I'm curious as to how fast I can go without meth to but you are seriously kicking my tail lol. I've only run my car at full weight though. Also I just started tuning with ajp as well I only have revision 1 on there now and it feels really good.

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Honestly I'm just curious at how far I can get with out methanol, nitrous, upgraded hpfp and atp turbos. Just kind of want to see what's possible once the weather cooperates

I must say this weight reduction thing has got me really curious as to where Id be at.  And to take a step further I think it would be cool to gut it and add a roll cage, light weight racinging seats, even an aluminum hood.  4 street drag radials on each corner.  Basically a full time street/drag car.  Racing seats would accommodate the occasional passenger. 

Probably cheaper set up than atp turbo upgrades.  Lol!

Weight reduction is free and easy to do may as well amirite?

It most certainly is free and I think it's overlooked this day and age.  I can hear the gears in my head turning lol

I think its a great idea.  Id like to keep the weight off a permenant version.  Yet functional.  No back seats but with two front racing seats or something.   Hmmmm.  Like a professional race car interior you know?  I'd give up some weight and ass massagers for that!

Quote from: 802SHO on September 17, 2018, 10:36:16 PM
It most certainly is free and I think it's overlooked this day and age.  I can hear the gears in my head turning lol

I think its a great idea.  Id like to keep the weight off a permenant version.  Yet functional.  No back seats but with two front racing seats or something.   Hmmmm.  Like a professional race car interior you know?  I'd give up some weight and ass massagers for that!

Meh....imo if you want a dedicated race car... buy/build a dedicated race car. What makes these cars great is their sleeper power combined with being fully equipped.  Take away all the luxury items and you just have a slow drag car. Imho.


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Well articulated there ToMang07.

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Quote from: 802SHO on September 17, 2018, 10:36:16 PM
It most certainly is free and I think it's overlooked this day and age.  I can hear the gears in my head turning lol

I think its a great idea.  Id like to keep the weight off a permenant version.  Yet functional.  No back seats but with two front racing seats or something.   Hmmmm.  Like a professional race car interior you know?  I'd give up some weight and ass massagers for that!

Meh....imo if you want a dedicated race car... buy/build a dedicated race car. What makes these cars great is their sleeper power combined with being fully equipped.  Take away all the luxury items and you just have a slow drag car. Imho.


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It would be cool for this platform I think.  Not sure how far you're imagining in your mind the weight reduction would be.  Have you ever had a nice racing steering wheel and front racing seats before in a car?  I have and it's actually nice.  Maybe a light weight battery, two light racing front seats, ditch the rear seats perhaps.  Keep the stereo and everything.  Maybe 200 pounds lighter.  Sounds like a nice rendition to me.  I know that might not be for everyone. 

I was speaking in terms of this platform only.  In a way it seems its destined to be a slow drag car no matter what.  Will this platform ever see 10's or 9's?  Maybe 10's.   Anything that takes it to the next level, IMO is worth it. 

There are always one-offs.  Been done with a Gen 2, so why not Gen 4/5. Go for it, but complete the project.  Don't be quitting halfway and crying/moaning about how difficult it is.  LOL.

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There are always one-offs.  Been done with a Gen 2, so why not Gen 4/5. Go for it, but complete the project.  Don't be quitting halfway and crying/moaning about how difficult it is.  LOL.

The crying will be when all the work is done and the PTU makes pretty noises 1/2 way thru the 1st pass (if it makes it that far with power to run 10's..) 
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Honestly could be fun trying though, get a "totalled" Gen 4/5 cheap and start hacking.

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There are always one-offs.  Been done with a Gen 2, so why not Gen 4/5. Go for it, but complete the project.  Don't be quitting halfway and crying/moaning about how difficult it is.  LOL.

Lol I'm slightly aghast over this.  So...am I somehow doing this now because I mentioned I thought it would be cool to have a race interior? 

Honestly not much crying that I can hear except all the cries over what I said. 

Over how hard it is to...replace some seats?  And maybe a steering wheel?....didnt know that was hard? 

Did the short bus stop and pick you guys up over this subject...short bus is rocking now. 

On the edge of losing respect over how childish as well as ignorant the comments have been thus far, but by all means keep going ...let the moronic train drive ....maybe even itself.

Lmfao jeez ppl.  Time of the Month or what?  And I wondered if there were any females on this forum..

I mean there is something to be said for furthering the platform in anyway you can. I mean some people have spent thousands on built motors and set records. Why not start at the bottom see what the platform can do in relatively stock form and improve from there. A little weight reduction that takes tops of an hour to even take the exhaust completely out as well as the rear seat, front seat and the trunk junk isn't going to hurt anybody. I don't go to the track full interior because that doesn't provide the best times. If you are going to the track for a good time then why not get every little bit you can? I mean considering these cars can be had for under 10 thousand dollar anymore you are going to see more and more of these hosh posh slapped together projects coming up. It happens with every platform. My car has 115,000 miles on it and I don't specifically care about the resale or the condition of it as long as I am having fun with it. It's not brand new by any means. If something explodes along the way sit back analyze and improve on what you have. I would like to go methanol, hpfp, big turbo in the future as the car depreciates to the point of no return you may as well have fun along the way.

Quote from: Jordan on September 18, 2018, 08:14:31 PM
I mean there is something to be said for furthering the platform in anyway you can. I mean some people have spent thousands on built motors and set records. Why not start at the bottom see what the platform can do in relatively stock form and improve from there. A little weight reduction that takes tops of an hour to even take the exhaust completely out as well as the rear seat, front seat and the trunk junk isn't going to hurt anybody. I don't go to the track full interior because that doesn't provide the best times. If you are going to the track for a good time then why not get every little bit you can? I mean considering these cars can be had for under 10 thousand dollar anymore you are going to see more and more of these hosh posh slapped together projects coming up. It happens with every platform. My car has 115,000 miles on it and I don't specifically care about the resale or the condition of it as long as I am having fun with it. It's not brand new by any means. If something explodes along the way sit back analyze and improve on what you have. I would like to go methanol, hpfp, big turbo in the future as the car depreciates to the point of no return you may as well have fun along the way.

I agree with you.  For the record as I am in agreement I may or may not do something similar.  No matter what its my car and I'll do with it as I wish.  Everyone has different ideas and visions so by sharing them we can perhapa adopt some or not or even modify an idea to our liking.  And it just very well may be a SHO drag car is a slow drag car but thats irrelevant.  We all compete with other SHO's for the most part.  So in terms of that anything is game.  And in the real world even 11.54 is slow already.  11.54 gets trampled on daily at the track.  But for our SHO's its cool and awesome!  But always more than one way to skin a cat to get there so to speak. 

I think everyone needs to come in for the real thing... hug it out... take a xanax... sing some wholesome songs...


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I'm game. Are clothes optional???

LOL. I mean, just looking at this dashing pic of you BJ makes me.......(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180919/593339d182503d0699aa77dff676f1ec.jpg)

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Unfortunately all the strips I have been to lately have required pants and a helmet... Otherwise I may had been in the nude during the runs.... :P

 No worries Mike... we have room for you and your hair...

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I wonder if he is compensating for something... bringing the focus to his head...


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Ha!

Quote from: Jordan on September 18, 2018, 10:22:10 PM
Unfortunately all the strips I have been to lately have required pants and a helmet... Otherwise I may had been in the nude during the runs....

Ha! Anything for added weight savings. NUDE runs or go home. LOL.

It will be interesting moving forward, seeing what some of the younger owners do with these rather portly piggish cars.

Winds at your tail there Jordan and God speed down the track my friend.

Glad you're not taking me to seriously. Anyone who knows me in person, knows what a goof I am.

I blame it on 24yrs in my profession. Tends to warp one's perspectives.

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No worries Mike... we have room for you and your hair...

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That's dynomite!

https://youtu.be/Fbq5JR4rK9U

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Oh... Michael knows the shenanigans I am capable of.... I don't take anything seriously. However with a low DA on some C20 with the right track prep and maybe a tail wind..... I think we could have some serious numbers possible. Assuming everything pans out in favor like that ha!

Quote from: StealBlueSho on September 18, 2018, 10:05:54 PM
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I sang kumbaya to myself and I feel remarkably better!  Like a 👶 with a pacifier. 

Got a couple cool action shots taken that were posted up on the event page. Thought I'd share..

(https://i.imgur.com/01MRwQX.jpg)

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