my wife may get a company car soon and if that is the case I'll start DD'ing the Xsport. I would like to drop it. I had put Eibachs on my GTO and within 6 months took them back out as the ride quality went to s***. For those whom have put drop springs in the Explorers how did it ride and would you do it again? Also which brand did you go with?
I only saw someone get a coil over setup ..Livernois sells the o ly springs available ..they look decent but the car rides great now
Livernois springs are rebadgered H&R 51630. I just ordered these from Tirerack
thanks for the replies.
Quote from: slicky on December 22, 2015, 03:43:13 PM
Livernois springs are rebadgered H&R 51630. I just ordered these from Tirerack
What the point of re-badging?...ive notice an entire product line of re- badged items from electronics to mechanical items...i like knowing who the manufacturer is. This makes it a little more tricky
Money! You wouldn't pay $110 more for the same springs just to buy them from XYZ. But if XYZ stamps their name on them and they have a good reputation and you convince yourself they are somehow better than H&R then maybe you would pay more. In reality they are exactly the same. That's what re-branding is.
So lms sells them cheaper and they get to put their name on them?...ok thats good...i thought lms had fairly high prices on everything?
Looks like the springs can be had cheaper elsewhere
Quote from: ajpturbo on January 12, 2016, 04:51:38 PM
So lms sells them cheaper and they get to put their name on them?...ok thats good...i thought lms had fairly high prices on everything?
Looks like the springs can be had cheaper elsewhere
You have it backwards, they sell them for more. So the illusion that they are somehow better allows them to do so. I mean come on, they have 11 second SHO's running down the track with those springs. ;)
So its a scam and they dupe people?...strange world we live in
Quote from: ajpturbo on January 12, 2016, 05:19:00 PM
So its a scam and they dupe people?...strange world we live in
Sometimes. There are times when rebranding isn't a scam. I can't say either way here.
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Do the H&R springs come with the rear camber bolts? I've read that people had camber issues with lowering the XSport. I know the Livernois springs come with this fix
The H&R Do NOT come with the camber Bolts, Separate @ auto Parts Shop.
There is a Post that details the P/N, But i never saved it, So you have to Hunt it up
The How To section is a good place to begin :)
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,611.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,611.0.html)
I've got the LMS branded versions and the rear camber bolt. No instructions came with them, but I think they've since rectified that. Ride is like a VERY progressive spring. At the top of the stroke, you feel it, but the diving and boat feeling is gone. Well worth it. I'll be looking for some Bilsteins at some point.
One note: The top of the front strut needs some kind of thin-wall socket with a hole in the top to fit an Allen key to hold the body still (or something similar). If you have tools like that, it's just a annoying as everything else Ford did with this suspension. I've replaced shocks, struts... on all kinds of cars and nothing was a backward as what Ford built. It may be standard for Domestic cars, but what a learning lesson it was for me.
Quote from: JimBob_SF on March 21, 2017, 11:14:04 AM
I've got the LMS branded versions and the rear camber bolt. No instructions came with them, but I think they've since rectified that. Ride is like a VERY progressive spring. At the top of the stroke, you feel it, but the diving and boat feeling is gone. Well worth it. I'll be looking for some Bilsteins at some point.
One note: The top of the front strut needs some kind of thin-wall socket with a hole in the top to fit an Allen key to hold the body still (or something similar). If you have tools like that, it's just a annoying as everything else Ford did with this suspension. I've replaced shocks, struts... on all kinds of cars and nothing was a backward as what Ford built. It may be standard for Domestic cars, but what a learning lesson it was for me.
You're thinking a spark plug socket/wrench like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018U295K/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018U295K/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
That's what I bought and used when I did my H&R's on the Flex and it worked like a dream.
you do not need lms rear camber bolts. the only benefit to these bolts is they have washers that take up the room in the bolt hole so the camber bolt doesnt move. when i lowered and aligned my explorer i basically had to adjust the camber to max positive, the lms bolts do not give you any extra adjustment.
Quote from: irondoor19 on May 18, 2016, 10:37:55 AM
The H&R Do NOT come with the camber Bolts, Separate @ auto Parts Shop.
There is a Post that details the P/N, But i never saved it, So you have to Hunt it up
I ordered the H&R Lowering Springs straight from Livernois and they came with camber bolts. My garage buddies told me that they used 2 of them for the rear. Here's my '16 Explorer Platinum.
I just ordered LMS' Level 2 Performance package plus their lowering springs, thermostat and plugs.
They do "not" re-badge the H&R Springs 51630. They come in blue with rear camber bolts.
They did send me the wrong camber bolts and there was an issue with their CAI product. Hopefully the CAI issue pertains to the 2018 model only, as the issue was not mentioned in their instructions for the CAI install. Not a big deal, it was a quick fix.
You may want to read my thread before ordering their lowering springs...will update my thread shortly.
Quote from: JimBob_SF on March 21, 2017, 11:14:04 AM
One note: The top of the front strut needs some kind of thin-wall socket with a hole in the top to fit an Allen key to hold the body still (or something similar). If you have tools like that, it's just a annoying as everything else Ford did with this suspension. I've replaced shocks, struts... on all kinds of cars and nothing was a backward as what Ford built. It may be standard for Domestic cars, but what a learning lesson it was for me.
Amen. I got half way through putting the springs in and swore up and down when I got to the front struts. After spending an hour doing the rear, I saw the need for yet another special tool. Don't even THINK about replacing the front sway bar bushings. You have to remove the bar...