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Title: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: 2010SHOtime on April 26, 2014, 04:23:48 PM
Hey guys,

Maybe this is a silly question but I just got done changeing out my tstat and now I'm curious how do I go about burping the system or if I even need to do it?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: BiGMaC on April 26, 2014, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: 2010SHOtime on April 26, 2014, 04:23:48 PM
Hey guys,

Maybe this is a silly question but I just got done changeing out my tstat and now I'm curious how do I go about burping the system or if I even need to do it?

Thanks!

Refill the reservoir to max cold fill lin... start the car....Turn on the heater full blast... and drive around easy normal ... (not just idle)... for 20-30 min.  That usually does it.... refill the reservoir again and check it daily for a couple of days (likely won't need more).   The refill can be done with Water Wetter, recommended Ford coolant (see your OM), or distilled water
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: 2010SHOtime on April 26, 2014, 05:02:17 PM
Easy enough, Thanks!
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: Larrylu on April 26, 2014, 05:22:03 PM
That's exactly what I did and it worked perfectly for me. No problem burping at all!


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: southtxSHO on April 26, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
Great info , will be doing this tomorrow .Got my 160 t-stat in today

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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on October 14, 2015, 09:03:25 PM
How or what is the easiest way to fill the reservoir tank after I swap out my tstat? I'm looking to do this once I get my car back out of the shop. And I would like as much info as possible. Additionally I just got my tunes as well so I'll be loading it up as well.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on October 14, 2015, 10:21:32 PM
Parke on level ground.  Right side up on a curb or jackstand to create a high point.  Lisle SpillFree Funnel to add coolant to the degas/overflow bottle.  Then follow the "burp" procedure (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2280.msg56469.html#msg56469).  After cooldown, add more coolant as needed.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 06, 2015, 05:44:13 PM
I just removed the tstat housing and pulled the stock tstat. There is a rubber oring on the stocker. I bought a replacement oring for the 160 tstat is that nescessary to place it in there with the 160 stat?


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 06, 2015, 05:44:35 PM
Need help asap


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 06, 2015, 05:45:17 PM
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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on November 06, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
The 160 stat uses the oem gasket and if you do have a new gasket would definetly use the NEW one.  NEW GASKET AFFIRMATIVE.   BTW the nipple(valve should be facing up(2400hrs)  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: pmezo33 on November 06, 2015, 07:19:16 PM
Might as well use the new one since you bought it.  I used the one that was already in there and it worked fine too, but I just replaced it with an oem motorcraft. 
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 06, 2015, 11:21:16 PM
Well I installed the tstat and I wasn't aware that the nipple thing was supposed to be at the top. I guess I'll have to work on it again in the morning. I also failed at burping the system. Cold air when the heat is on becomes warmer if I rev to 2k rpm. Drove it around the neiborhood and it started to overheat. So I had to stop and turn it off and wait for it to cool to continue. Before driving I had the RS front wheel up on a ramp trying to burp the system. I guess it didn't work.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 06, 2015, 11:22:42 PM

Quote from: ZSHO on November 06, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
The 160 stat uses the oem gasket and if you do have a new gasket would definetly use the NEW one.  NEW GASKET AFFIRMATIVE.   BTW the nipple(valve should be facing up(2400hrs)  Z

Btw why is the nipple supposed to be up?


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on November 06, 2015, 11:23:55 PM
Definitely sounds like low coolant/air bubble situation.  You ran the blower at max with climate control on FULL HOT?  Sometimes you have to repeat a few times before it takes, but having the TStat point the right way is mighty important, so I'd take care of that first.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 06, 2015, 11:34:11 PM
Yea had a pretty good amount spill while I was doing the swap. And yes I had the car running while passengers side was elevated with the air on the highest temp. It only got hot if I was idling at 2k rpms.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on November 07, 2015, 06:09:23 AM
If you want to try with a spillfree funnel, that could do the trick in this case (it did for Rich).  YT has some videos on this:
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! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQk9HpuIrmA#)
It would be attached to the degas bottle/coolant reservoir in this case.  The nice thing is you have now automatically created a "high spot" in the cooling system without the need for jacking up anything!
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on November 07, 2015, 07:45:32 AM
I didnt even know you got your car back from the dealer after seeing your post help needed asap,how much coolant did you loose roughly(couple of quarts)if so while the car is COLD fill up the coolant reservoir to the top,then start up the car and let it warm up for ten min while your sitting and observing the gauge with the HEATER on full blast making sure the gauge does not exceed the half way mark,if so SHUT HER OFF and wait 15 min and with CAUTION gently turn the reservoir cap until you hear air being released and close it again,now drive the car for 5-10 min close to HOME while monitoring the gauge carefully,now upon returning home let her COOL of again for 15 min and gently open the reservoir cap to let some air out and close again,if the gauge did NOT EXCEED past the middle follow the steps above a couple more times later in the day,important to note is the next morning,DO NOT start the car,check the COOLANT LEVEL while the car is COLD,top off if necessary,follow the steps above the next day again,CLOSELY MONITORING the coolant level and gauge,you will find out PATIENCE IS THE KEY in this procedure,now need to get me a nice cup of JOE to wake up.lol  Z
Title: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 08:25:56 AM
Just got my car back Thursday evening. Took em 3 weeks to install a water pump. SMH. Im sure I lost a quart or two of fluids so I'm going to the store here soon to grab some antifreeze.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
So I just finished turning the tstat to the correct position. And I topped of the reservoir. Car has been running for about45 min with heat set to the highest setting. Still blowing cool air. But again unless I rev it to about 2k rpm it doesn't get warm. I need a good dose of patience for this car.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on November 07, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
So I just finished turning the tstat to the correct position. And I topped of the reservoir. Car has been running for about45 min with heat set to the highest setting. Still blowing cool air. But again unless I rev it to about 2k rpm it doesn't get warm. I need a good dose of patience for this car.


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Did you take it for a brief drive as mentioned above,just trying to help ya.  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Driving it around the neiborhood now. Temps are in the middle for the last 10 min


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 12:32:29 PM
Should I have the AC setting on ?  Or just regular air ? With the heat turned on max


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on November 07, 2015, 12:45:42 PM
Quote from: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Driving it around the neiborhood now. Temps are in the middle for the last 10 min


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I'm a bit confused,isn't it suppose to be in the middle, if the car has been running well over 45 min then shut it off and wait 15 min and slowly loosen the the reservoir cap until you hear air coming out and tighten,then take it for a quick drive and repeat the process.  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 12:50:28 PM

Quote from: ZSHO on November 07, 2015, 12:45:42 PM
Quote from: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 12:29:48 PM
Driving it around the neiborhood now. Temps are in the middle for the last 10 min


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I'm a bit confused,isn't it suppose to be in the middle, if the car has been running well over 45 min then shut it off and wait 15 min and slowly loosen the the reservoir cap until you hear air coming out and tighten,then take it for a quick drive and repeat the process.  Z


Yup I've driven around the neighborhood twice now and each time I loosen the reservoir cap and a lil air come out. I'm just repeating it hoping the air will go ahead and escape. But the air is still cool.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: glock-coma on November 07, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Did you follow the burp procedure link in post #7?
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on November 07, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
USMC Keep us updated on any progress.  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 03:09:27 PM

Quote from: glock-coma on November 07, 2015, 01:38:48 PM
Did you follow the burp procedure link in post #7?

Yes I tried that it didn't work. Just finished driving down the road and temps were in a good range the whole time even if I gave it a lil gas. However, the air is only slightly warm.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on November 07, 2015, 05:02:06 PM
Heat was working fine though before you started on the TStat replacement?
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 06:22:48 PM

Quote from: SHOdded on November 07, 2015, 05:02:06 PM
Heat was working fine though before you started on the TStat replacement?
yup heat was fine up til now.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on November 07, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
I hesitate to recommend this, because this is an extra step that may not solve anything.  BUT if you confident in your TStat replacement skill, and really want to get the air out of the system, you COULD try deleting the TStat temporarily (not sure if the gasket will seal properly without the TStat holding it in tho), and then running the engine till it gets warm.  All the air should flow out into the degas bottle (not having a restriction anymore).  Then carefully reinstall the TStat.

You could also try jacking up the DRIVER's side of the car while doing the TStat R&R so as to not let the coolant have easy access to spilling out.  Then after the install, lower the DRIVER side and jack up the PASSENGER side.

Just a couple of ideas.  No clue if at all practical or possible ...
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 07, 2015, 07:11:46 PM
Yea I'm not that confident in my auto mechanic abilities lol. But originally when I did the swap I had the drivers side on a ramp. Then immediately after I switched the ramp under the passengers side to hopefully burp the system. Nothing's working so far. I'm gonna give it another go in the morning.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on November 07, 2015, 10:36:17 PM
Fingers crossed tomorrow is the day it gets done :D
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: AJP turbo on November 08, 2015, 02:51:35 AM
Ive seen alot of posts with people having trouble so i looked in my ford service manual. Kinda had me curious even tho im not an advocate for a the cooler thermostat mod

For the 2.0 ecoboost they have 2 procedures one with a special bleed tool that goes on the degas bottle and one procedure if u dont have it

For the 3.5 gdti they specifically say that u MUST use the vacuum tool and procedure
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 08, 2015, 05:31:25 PM

Quote from: ZSHO on November 07, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
USMC Keep us updated on any progress.  Z
so one thing i forgot to mention is that after I installed the new tstat I also installed the 3bar and tune from LMS. And initially I honestly forgot about it due to the issues of burping the system. I noticed that the fans kick on a lot sooner and thought its possible the tstat isn't opening. So I just put the stock tune back on and swapped out the 3bar for the factory one. And noticed the car is running a lil rougher and there is this wrench symbol on my display any one else get this when switching back to stock. The car is not running horrible but it's seems to run a lil bit rougher. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/08/bec99659268a6c6f57e4cb873076d2e3.jpg)


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on November 08, 2015, 05:46:51 PM
USMC did you install the tune before or after the sync update??  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 08, 2015, 05:53:00 PM
Before right after the initial install of the tstat. I tee stalled the update last night again and same thing happened where the media and radio were not available. So I pulled the ground like you told me and that seemed to fix that issue.

Additionally, just now I turned the car off and back on and the wrench isn't there on the display any more. So it's back to normal. But after installing the stock setup and raising the passengers side and following the burp procedures mentioned above in post 7 I am noticing the reservoir is finally releasing a substantial amount of air. So I am in the middle of revving the motor to 3500 eps at the moment and will loosen the cap on the reservoir again to see if ther is a difference. In the heat.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: glock-coma on November 08, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
I got the wrench icon the last time I loaded the stock tune BEFORE installing the 2 bar sensor. If you have the 3 bar in while loading the stock tune it will throw the icon
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on November 08, 2015, 07:13:05 PM
Its sometimes beneficial to fill the coolant reservoir above the cold fill level to help in these kind of situations.  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: USMCSHO341 on November 08, 2015, 07:25:02 PM

Quote from: glock-coma on November 08, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
I got the wrench icon the last time I loaded the stock tune BEFORE installing the 2 bar sensor. If you have the 3 bar in while loading the stock tune it will throw the icon
ok that must've been the issue with the wrench thing. I installed the stock tune with the 3bar in and afterward swapped it out for the stock sensor. After turning the car off and back on after the initial startup it did intact go away.


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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: sholxgt on July 31, 2016, 05:26:50 PM
Figured it's better to add on to this older thread vs. making a new one...

So, I changed my thermostat to a 170 and have a concern.

My temperature is varying between 170 and 184 degrees.  Within a couple mile stretch of road it will vary from 172 to 178 without accelerating or idling.  Just driving a constant speed.  Is this normal?  Those of you monitoring your cars, do you see the temperature constantly changing?  The gauge on the car is even moving up and down.  Ambient temp is around 92 degrees.  I'm concerned that I may have an air pocket.

I have done several rounds of the 3500 rpm cycle with the reservoir higher than the engine without the level of coolant in the reservoir changing.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on July 31, 2016, 06:04:33 PM
It definitely sounds like you may need to burb the system but IMO the coolant and fluctuating temps sound normal,how much coolant did you loose in the process?..Did you add the same amount you lost?...also make sure the (temp gauge)does NOT go past the Half way marker on the cluster especially when driving...1) start the car up and set the heat on to high and let her idle for 10-15min and then shut her off and wait ten min and slowly,gently release the coolant reservoir cap to let any air out and quickly tighten it back up..2)Drive the vehicle for 10min while carefully monitoring the temp gauge so it does NOT exceed the halfway mark and repeat step (one)over until any and all air pockets are gone,there is also a special tool if just in case things do not go accordingly,BTW would make sure the coolant reservoir is a hair above the (full)mark (Top)line and repeat the above steps as needed and best of luck and keep us updated.  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: sholxgt on July 31, 2016, 06:19:38 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on July 31, 2016, 06:04:33 PM
It definitely sounds like you may need to burb the system but IMO the coolant and fluctuating temps sound normal,how much coolant did you loose in the process?..Did you add the same amount you lost?...also make sure the (temp gauge)does NOT go past the Half way marker on the cluster especially when driving...1) start the car up and set the heat on to high and let her idle for 10-15min and then shut her off and wait ten min and slowly,gently release the coolant reservoir cap to let any air out and quickly tighten it back up..2)Drive the vehicle for 10min while carefully monitoring the temp gauge so it does NOT exceed the halfway mark and repeat step (one)over until any and all air pockets are gone,there is also a special tool if just in case things do not go accordingly,BTW would make sure the coolant reservoir is a hair above the (full)mark (Top)line and best of luck and keep us updated.  Z

I'm not sure how much I lost.  Was a significant amount, but not measured.  I'd say roughly a quart lost and a quart put back in.

Temp gauge not going past half.  Varying from several notches below half up to a hair under half.

I also tried the crack open reservoir method, but that caused the coolant level to rise which leads me to believe that the air sound is it drawing air in not letting air escape.  Reservoir level is just above full cold when cold.

I'm tempted to just take it to the dealer and have them perform a coolant flush/refill since I'm at 30,000 miles.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on July 31, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: sholxgt on July 31, 2016, 06:19:38 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on July 31, 2016, 06:04:33 PM
It definitely sounds like you may need to burb the system but IMO the coolant and fluctuating temps sound normal,how much coolant did you loose in the process?..Did you add the same amount you lost?...also make sure the (temp gauge)does NOT go past the Half way marker on the cluster especially when driving...1) start the car up and set the heat on to high and let her idle for 10-15min and then shut her off and wait ten min and slowly,gently release the coolant reservoir cap to let any air out and quickly tighten it back up..2)Drive the vehicle for 10min while carefully monitoring the temp gauge so it does NOT exceed the halfway mark and repeat step (one)over until any and all air pockets are gone,there is also a special tool if just in case things do not go accordingly,BTW would make sure the coolant reservoir is a hair above the (full)mark (Top)line and best of luck and keep us updated.  Z

I'm not sure how much I lost.  Was a significant amount, but not measured.  I'd say roughly a quart lost and a quart put back in.

Temp gauge not going past half.  Varying from several notches below half up to a hair under half.

I also tried the crack open reservoir method, but that caused the coolant level to rise which leads me to believe that the air sound is it drawing air in not letting air escape.  Reservoir level is just above full cold when cold.

I'm tempted to just take it to the dealer and have them perform a coolant flush/refill since I'm at 30,000 miles.
I would also emphasize to check for any such leaks around the t-stat housing and make sure those three 8mm bolts are nice and tight but patience is the key motive when performing this procedure.  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: sholxgt on July 31, 2016, 07:18:36 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. 

Only two little 8mm bolts, but both are tight.  No coolant leaks.  Install went smoothly.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: AJP turbo on July 31, 2016, 07:33:36 PM
The ford procedure is to vacuum bleed it
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: Charliemkv on August 22, 2016, 10:05:26 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on November 06, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
The 160 stat uses the oem gasket and if you do have a new gasket would definetly use the NEW one.  NEW GASKET AFFIRMATIVE.   BTW the nipple(valve should be facing up(2400hrs)  Z
Why is it important for the T stat to be orientated to 2400, Nipple up?..I installed mine maybe 3 weeks ago, not paying attention to orientation of it, I haven't  had any temp issues. Heavy Driving puts my Temps at about 215-225.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: glock-coma on August 22, 2016, 10:14:18 PM
If your tstat had a "jiggle valve" it's supposed to be installed at 12 o'clock
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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on August 22, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
The reishe 170 stat diagram says to install the nipple facing 2400 hrs position.  Z
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on August 22, 2016, 10:21:12 PM
Air will always rise, and the best place for it to be "untrapped" is at the top, hence the placement of the jiggle valve at the 12 o'clock position.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: Charliemkv on August 22, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Makes sense, I'm gonna have to open it up again..Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on August 22, 2016, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on August 22, 2016, 10:14:18 PM
If your tstat had a "jiggle valve" it's supposed to be installed at 12 o'clock
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/12cd9d05e64cdc0ee041c4989fb66efc.jpg)
Damn Glock you got me back,LOL.  Z ;)
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: joe raptor on August 23, 2016, 10:28:14 AM
I just bought a 170* thermostat from Torrie and it doesn't have the air bleeder or the jiggle valve !. Does it matter what position I install this one ??. Thanks
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: sholxgt on August 23, 2016, 10:39:32 AM
Quote from: joe raptor on August 23, 2016, 10:28:14 AM
I just bought a 170* thermostat from Torrie and it doesn't have the air bleeder or the jiggle valve !. Does it matter what position I install this one ??. Thanks

Mine didn't either.  Confused by the above information about the Reische thermostate instructions mentioning a nipple.  My instructions didn't mention an install orientation and I didn't see a nipple.  Maybe they have changed the design?
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: hawkeye93 on August 23, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
I don't think the 170 deg thermostats that Torrie is selling are from Reische.  His website doesn't mention Reische at all.

At any rate, if you don't have a jiggle valve or a bleed notch, install it in any position (except backwards, of course).
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: sholxgt on August 23, 2016, 11:12:30 AM
Mine came from EcoPowerParts and is a Reische.  I did not see a nipple and my instructions do not mention install orientation.  The instructions are extremely basic.  I can scan and post if anyone cares.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on August 23, 2016, 11:39:38 AM
Quote from: sholxgt on August 23, 2016, 11:12:30 AM
Mine came from EcoPowerParts and is a Reische.  I did not see a nipple and my instructions do not mention install orientation.  The instructions are extremely basic.  I can scan and post if anyone cares.
Please do.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: sholxgt on August 23, 2016, 11:55:52 AM
Nice that they include suggested fan settings, but the install instructions are pretty basic.  I should check with my tuner to see if those are the fan settings he used. Ahemm.

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Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on August 23, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
I purchased my Reische 170 stat a few years back and it had some type of air bleeder type valve on top and clearly was made in Germany and not quite sure if there is an updated version IDK...probably be wise to monitor overall coolant temps if you have any such Doubt's IMO.  BTW have noticed many sites selling the Rat 170-stat for far less and IMO would avoid,no dis intended.  Z..
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: SHOdded on August 23, 2016, 01:19:50 PM
Must be different from the one I got, Z, it says USA, 56mm, and STC on it (Stant Thermostat Corp, I believe).  Their website says they use USA parts & modify it by hand, so maybe they changed their process?

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Apparently the 3.5L engines of this vintage use the same thermostat from factory?  The MOTORCRAFT RT1228 {#1X4Z8575A} 190 Degree Thermostat
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: sholxgt on August 23, 2016, 01:22:22 PM
When all else fails...call the manufacturer.  Just got off the phone with Reische.  They answered the phone right away and were helpful.  LOVE companies like that!

"The Ford-4D model for our application does not have a jiggle pin and install orientation is unimportant."

He also said the same thing that the mechanic at my dealership told me when I asked about the possibility of an air pocket.  He said you'll know right away if there's an issue.  My mechanic "friend" said that the car will either be running hot or the heater won't work. 

Z, since our thermostats were purchased years apart, it's highly likely that Reische has had a product change.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: jm@ReischePerf on August 14, 2019, 04:15:32 PM
Hey everyone I just wanted to take a minute to clear up a few things in here.  We seem to be inundated lately with people concerned about jiggle pins.  Let's be clear that it's primary purpose is to prevent an air pocket from being stuck around the thermostat heat motor upon refilling the system.  If this happens the thermostat will not be able to open, however this rarely ever occurs in practice.  If you have installed a thermostat with a jiggle pin and it cycled open (radiator input hose hot to touch) once the engine was ran then you absolutely DO NOT need to be concerned about the orientation of the jiggle pin anymore, it is a refill aid only.  To be clear our thermostat for the 3.5L transverse application does not have one.

Quote from: sholxgt on July 31, 2016, 05:26:50 PMMy temperature is varying between 170 and 184 degrees.  Within a couple mile stretch of road it will vary from 172 to 178 without accelerating or idling.  Just driving a constant speed.  Is this normal?
Yes.  If your engine mgmt systems are like most Ford late models, they use a head temp sensor to take a 'guess' at coolant temp.  So the readings you are seeing are likely not actual and more volatile than your actual ECT.
Quote from: ZSHO on August 22, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
The reishe 170 stat diagram says to install the nipple facing 2400 hrs position.
There is not a diagram that we've ever published anywhere to orientate a jiggle pin.  Our current Reische model (Ford-4D) for the transverse 3.5L does not have a jiggle pin.  However, the model (Ford-50) for the rear drive vehicles does and we do recommend clocking it to the highest point.
Quote from: sholxgt on August 23, 2016, 11:12:30 AMThe instructions are extremely basic.  I can scan and post if anyone cares.
I apologize but we cannot provide detailed install instructions because any given model fits many different applications.  We assume installs will be performed by a qualified mechanic or experienced do it yourselfer.
Quote from: ZSHO on August 23, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
I purchased my Reische 170 stat a few years back and it had some type of air bleeder type valve on top and clearly was made in Germany...
This was definitely not one of our thermostats.  Prior to 2011 a small number of Ford-4D thermostats were mfgd with a jiggle pin but all of them were marked 'made in USA'.


As always I'm happy to address any further question or concerns you may have about our products.  Feel free to email, call or text.
Title: Re: Burping radiator after 170 tstat change?
Post by: ZSHO on August 14, 2019, 05:05:18 PM
The Reische 170-Stat was purchased directly from Lethal performance back in 2013 and has been working flawlessly since then. It did include a small instruction manual IIRC! I could have the limited version! Dunno. :D 
Btw Welcome back. Z

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