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Title: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on July 28, 2019, 11:06:00 AM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67840484_2870854269608094_6828700827557822464_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQkWu4waccOhY2cfEH5zY5VYT3ZEOwO3dYqQ4OhiTWTw3Iv6IHaQEdvo6pkUU74iros&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=08e490a7990b7f4f69be1c662391898a&oe=5DAF4205)

I had brought this up on one of the FB groups but figured I would here as not everyone uses social media.  The ones in the picture are from a Subaru SVX, I have them on mine.  I know the guy who has made them for us in that community for over a decade and he seems willing to make them, just needs a manifold.  Who would have an interest in these (obviously Jordan lol)?  I would think they would be useful for the track guys.  They do a good job on my SVX (when it runs) to cooling down the manifold. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SHOdded on July 28, 2019, 11:08:24 AM
If you could download the image and upload into your post, everyone will be able to see it :)

(https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10065.0;attach=21152;image)

In case the fb link goes away :)
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on July 28, 2019, 11:13:37 AM
Weird, it doesn't seem to allow you to upload a pic from your device.  I was able to link it though by going into the link once more and using that link.  That or I don't know what I'm doing.  lol  Seems to be posted now, though it is mainly for a reference. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Jordan on July 28, 2019, 11:43:41 AM
To add to this and what these do. Essentially the way the cast aluminum intake manifold is "spaced" from the head we get a metric ton of heat transfer into the intake manifold causing mega heat soak. This creates a divide between the two and will help keep IAT2's down which is HUGE on these cars.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Blackhawk on July 28, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
Sounds good,  thanks!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on July 28, 2019, 03:35:29 PM
How thick would they need to be for our application?  Could we buy raw material, do some gasket matching, and cut them ourselves?


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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: ZSHO on July 28, 2019, 03:48:04 PM
I believe the Intake manifold are Aluminum IIRC! Great way to reduce heatsoak! Z
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SHOdded on July 28, 2019, 05:15:59 PM
Done before, successfully on the Gen 1/2 SHO
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/intake-spacers.114946/
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/phenolic-intake-spacers-now-at-sho-source.130110/
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Gray Brick on July 28, 2019, 10:18:26 PM
I used phenolic spacers on my Mustang many years ago... worked great!!!
With the IAT temps on these cars skyrocketing in traffic it would be a big help.

I would be interested in purchasing one of these for my Flex if they can be produced.

I put the same question on this forum 2 years ago:
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6894.msg106068.html#msg106068 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6894.msg106068.html#msg106068)
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on July 29, 2019, 12:22:07 AM
I'm in!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Gofspar on July 29, 2019, 12:29:18 AM
definitely interested in this.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on July 29, 2019, 02:00:43 AM
My Subaru friend is interested in doing this.  He just needs a manifold to borrow and people have already offered that.  I am hopeful this goes some place for everyone as I know a lot of you track guys could use this. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on July 29, 2019, 05:18:12 AM
I would definitely buy these too!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SM105K on July 29, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
I would be interested.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on July 29, 2019, 02:40:14 PM
I too am interested.


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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on July 29, 2019, 03:23:42 PM
Okay...after seeing that older thread in which shosource makes (or made) them for the older ones. I reached out to them and asked for 2010+. He asked if there is a demand for them...and I sent him a link to this thread.

So let's let him hear our interest!!!!


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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: fast1195 on July 30, 2019, 12:19:38 AM
Interested for both my 3.5 ecoboosts. I also have a spare intake manifold and throttle body that we could use...
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Gray Brick on July 30, 2019, 10:47:55 AM
I have access to a laser scanner https://www.hexagonmi.com/en-US/products/3d-laser-scanners/rs6-laser-scanner (https://www.hexagonmi.com/en-US/products/3d-laser-scanners/rs6-laser-scanner)

So if you would like me to do a CAD mock up so the parts can be sent to a CNC please let me know.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on July 30, 2019, 12:04:10 PM
So are we interested in a place like shosource checking in to making this a reality?  Or are we pursuing other avenues?

I ask because they've offered to dig in to this. In fact I invite them to respond in this thread directly (if the rules allow).


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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on July 30, 2019, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 4sfed on July 30, 2019, 12:04:10 PM
So are we interested in a place like shosource checking in to making this a reality?  Or are we pursuing other avenues?

I ask because they've offered to dig in to this. In fact I invite them to respond in this thread directly (if the rules allow).


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The person whom I asked has made these for the Subaru SVX community for a decade and is more than capable of making them.  If it doesn't come to fruition or work out for whatever reason than I would look at other people to do it but I have found someone at least that knows how to do this.  Hopefully it works out. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on July 30, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
Quote from: MKS Tom on July 30, 2019, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 4sfed on July 30, 2019, 12:04:10 PM
So are we interested in a place like shosource checking in to making this a reality?  Or are we pursuing other avenues?

I ask because they've offered to dig in to this. In fact I invite them to respond in this thread directly (if the rules allow).


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The person whom I asked has made these for the Subaru SVX community for a decade and is more than capable of making them.  If it doesn't come to fruition or work out for whatever reason than I would look at other people to do it but I have found someone at least that knows how to do this.  Hopefully it works out.

Awesome!  Standing by...


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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Mossdahaus on August 01, 2019, 07:06:44 AM
I'm in on this as well. Let us know what you find out
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: nickstewartroc on August 01, 2019, 10:46:03 AM
I'd also be interested
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on August 03, 2019, 02:43:56 PM
There is progress on this has he is interested in doing it to begin with and I believe he is just waiting for a manifold. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on August 03, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
I don't know what the manifold gasket looks like but cant this be made just by using the oem gasket as a template?
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Jordan on August 03, 2019, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on August 03, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
I don't know what the manifold gasket looks like but cant this be made just by using the oem gasket as a template?

One side I know for sure uses an o ring type gasket so need to make something special for that side I am assuming
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on August 05, 2019, 01:33:22 AM
Quote from: Jordan on August 03, 2019, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on August 03, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
I don't know what the manifold gasket looks like but cant this be made just by using the oem gasket as a template?

One side I know for sure uses an o ring type gasket so need to make something special for that side I am assuming

Correct. it will be flat on one side for the OEM seal and then the other side will need an oring real to mate to the heads.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Excalibur on August 11, 2019, 07:08:49 PM
I'm in. Let me know.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on August 11, 2019, 07:16:21 PM
So...how much heat will disipate. Or whatever it does...  Is it possible to see the difference thru datalogging?


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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on August 12, 2019, 12:53:17 AM
I'm not sure.  I know he has the manifold and is working on it.  He is a good engineer that has made these before for another platform so I am hopefully he can get something to you guys. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Gray Brick on August 12, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
Count me in on one as well. :)
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: jus2quik on August 19, 2019, 11:00:13 PM
I'm in
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Davidsiebert2 on August 20, 2019, 07:00:05 AM
I'm in ! And I have a buddy with a 16 sho that's in. My question would be any difference from 2010-2012 to the 2013 and up ? I wouldn't think so but somthing to look at.


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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 6500rpm on August 21, 2019, 09:33:21 PM
If you guys make this happen, if you completely pull the intake, be sure to take some pics of the intake valves and post up to document the degree of valve coking that you see. That's one thing I'm really interested in on our 3.5's and it's a great opportunity to do some cleaning if needed. We installed a fair amount of injectors in 2018 Tahoe's and at 28,000 mi on average they were valve coking pigs.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on August 27, 2019, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: Davidsiebert2 on August 20, 2019, 07:00:05 AM
I'm in ! And I have a buddy with a 16 sho that's in. My question would be any difference from 2010-2012 to the 2013 and up ? I wouldn't think so but somthing to look at.


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Manifolds are physically different due to the coolant passages, but won't affect this modification.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on August 30, 2019, 02:47:48 AM
I'll ask him again tomorrow how it is coming along. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on January 27, 2020, 02:48:50 AM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/84435551_3282017935158390_234221020670590976_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQngfEFRyB6u0WO8vbfacPT7DELoij6JlhKKDApUud87UUODLqkuqT7ULX6DHVcZvqc&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=7c098fa6bbc7b76872795519dc6c6e8c&oe=5ED71F4F)

He should have these available soon.  Didn't ask him when or pricing yet.

http://www.x35design.com/ (http://www.x35design.com/)
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on January 27, 2020, 06:23:17 AM
Quote from: MKS Tom on January 27, 2020, 02:48:50 AM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/84435551_3282017935158390_234221020670590976_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQngfEFRyB6u0WO8vbfacPT7DELoij6JlhKKDApUud87UUODLqkuqT7ULX6DHVcZvqc&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=7c098fa6bbc7b76872795519dc6c6e8c&oe=5ED71F4F)

He should have these available soon.  Didn't ask him when or pricing yet.  These are for 13 and newer 3.5 EBs. 

http://www.x35design.com/ (http://www.x35design.com/)

Awesome!  13 and up???  Noooooooo!  :homer: :crybabysmiley:
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on January 27, 2020, 10:24:47 AM
Lee @ Ortiz said it's for all years bc it's the same bolt pattern and the Phenolic Spacer doesn't affect the difference in 10-12 and 13+ intake manifold design differences!! 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on January 27, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
Yeah, Lee had mentioned that.  I had thought they were only going to work for 13 and up as I had thought there were some changes to the manifold that not make them work, but that is great news. 
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on January 27, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Sent an email just now, inquiring about product release, and to express a willingness to pay in full immediately.

Another piece of the equation.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SHOdded on January 27, 2020, 04:42:31 PM
https://parts.levittownfordparts.com/oem-parts/ford-intake-manifold-dg1z9424a
Seems correct. All years of the Gen 4/5 SHO.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on January 27, 2020, 07:00:14 PM
I sent an email too!  Figured might as well right?  Hopefully be one of the first handful with this in their possession!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on January 30, 2020, 07:26:47 AM
No reply to email and product not posted on website either.

Only contact is email it appears.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SHOdded on January 30, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
Should set up a group buy so he is assured of customers for his product once he is ready to sell.  Small vendors, custom products = patience required, otherwise they can be scared off.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: nickstewartroc on January 30, 2020, 10:09:02 AM
I'd be in for a set as well
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on January 31, 2020, 02:48:01 AM
Steve sent me a reply email last night, about 9:30pm CDT.

Advised he's still attempting to source longer bolts to accommodate the spacer, as well as mating all pieces together harmoniously.

Thinks may be another week or two til product release.

Just an update for those who've already chimed in expressing interest, as well as for those who may be sitting on the fence.

Cool beans.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on January 31, 2020, 04:49:41 AM
^^^ This!  Steve emailed me last night as well....didnt want me to think he was ignoring me.  This is a big piece of the puzzle to combat heat soak.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SHOdded on January 31, 2020, 06:18:18 AM
How will this affect those of you with Ecopowerparts (or other brand) hotpipes?  If 1/4" works, will 1/2" work as well?  I believe both sizes were made available for the Yamaha 3.0L SHO engine, tho one was vastly more popular.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on January 31, 2020, 07:23:48 AM
I would suspect there's enough "play" in the silicone connects to adjust/account for it.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Jordan on January 31, 2020, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on January 31, 2020, 02:48:01 AM
Steve sent me a reply email last night, about 9:30pm CDT.

Advised he's still attempting to source longer bolts to accommodate the spacer, as well as mating all pieces together harmoniously.

Thinks may be another week or two til product release.

Just an update for those who've already chimed in expressing interest, as well as for those who may be sitting on the fence.

Cool beans.

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I gave him measurements and totals for what bolts he would need. Already got my gaskets ready for install lol...
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on January 31, 2020, 05:01:23 PM
Sweet! Be sure to order up a 2nd set though, for that next (hypothetical) motor you are angling to acquire.

Certainly will need it (the 2nd spacer) and that next motor.

Continued successes.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SuperPete on February 03, 2020, 10:30:14 PM
Count me in also, WOW, exciting
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: SuperPete on February 10, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Any updates?
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: Jordan on February 10, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
Quote from: SuperPete on February 10, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Any updates?

Pretty sure he is sourcing bolts / waiting for them to come in
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on February 12, 2020, 12:49:07 PM
Steve messaged me a few days ago asking for my availability for him to come to Tulsa,OK, from Wichita Falls, TX, one weekend to do the install and get data. Unfortunately my weekend are booked up through May, so I referred him to Matt at Gearhead since it's about the same distance and being that this is Matt's full time job he may be more accomodating to the time constraints.

Hoping to see this come to fruition quickly!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: autox4fun on February 23, 2020, 10:00:50 AM
I'm IN!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on March 14, 2020, 12:25:07 AM
Bump for an update.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: fordfanstan on March 14, 2020, 04:14:09 AM
I'm in as well.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on March 16, 2020, 05:28:52 AM
One eternity later..........
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on March 17, 2020, 11:39:15 AM
Steve posted an update Sunday on Facebook that the spacer was en route to a test fitter and he was hoping to have results this weekend. Unsure who it ended up going to.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on April 12, 2020, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on March 17, 2020, 11:39:15 AM
Steve posted an update Sunday on Facebook that the spacer was en route to a test fitter and he was hoping to have results this weekend. Unsure who it ended up going to.
BUMP for any update(s).....

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: avidmotion on April 13, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Bump
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: avidmotion on April 21, 2020, 09:44:58 PM
Bumpy bump bump....
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: ridered74 on April 21, 2020, 10:42:33 PM
I thought I saw a post on facebook the other day saying their were some minor fitment issues and that they were going to make 3 or 4 more to send out for testing after they made adjustments. Can't seem to find the post now tho.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on April 22, 2020, 02:49:26 PM
Spoke with Steve yesterday. He sent the first one to Matt, who made some adjustments and sent it back to him. He has it now, but his town is on a mandatory shelter at home so he can't go to his shop to make the new ones, but said as soon as he can he will get 3 or 4 more sent out to people to get data.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: MKS Tom on May 20, 2020, 08:13:27 AM
There is progress on these as Steve posted the other day about it:


X35 Design
May 17 at 8:08 PM ·
Test article intake spacer #2 for the SHO Ecoboost about to head to the mailbox. Should be heading into production within a couple of weeks for everyone else, just waiting to be sure there are no hidden issues before launch. Thanks for hanging in there, as I expand beyond the world of Subaru.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on May 29, 2020, 01:26:32 AM
Quote from: MKS Tom on May 20, 2020, 08:13:27 AM
There is progress on these as Steve posted the other day about it:


X35 Design
May 17 at 8:08 PM ·
Test article intake spacer #2 for the SHO Ecoboost about to head to the mailbox. Should be heading into production within a couple of weeks for everyone else, just waiting to be sure there are no hidden issues before launch. Thanks for hanging in there, as I expand beyond the world of Subaru.

Patiently waiting... sent my intake manifold off for port matching today so we'll see how it turns out with this.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: x35design on June 20, 2020, 01:02:40 PM
Hey Hello everyone-

I am that spacer guy.  I've been trying to keep a low profile up to now until things got rolling, which they now are!

I'm not set up as a vendor here yet, so I'm not going to say too much until that happens, but you can check my profile and links to more info will be there.

Thanks MKS Tom for giving me the nudge to get started on this.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 20, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: x35design on June 20, 2020, 01:02:40 PM
Hey Hello everyone-

I am that spacer guy.  I've been trying to keep a low profile up to now until things got rolling, which they now are!

I'm not set up as a vendor here yet, so I'm not going to say too much until that happens, but you can check my profile and links to more info will be there.

Thanks MKS Tom for giving me the nudge to get started on this.

X35 Design thank you for signing up on the forum! I have created you a board in the vendor section to assist! This helps provide a dedicated space for you and the EBPF members find out more about your product, feel free to use it as you need! Its exciting to see new products for platform since it is a very niche group with not a lot of aftermarket support.

Please feel free to ping me if you need anything! And thank you for helping improve the platform!!!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: x35design on June 20, 2020, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 20, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: x35design on June 20, 2020, 01:02:40 PM
Hey Hello everyone-

I am that spacer guy.  I've been trying to keep a low profile up to now until things got rolling, which they now are!

I'm not set up as a vendor here yet, so I'm not going to say too much until that happens, but you can check my profile and links to more info will be there.

Thanks MKS Tom for giving me the nudge to get started on this.

X35 Design thank you for signing up on the forum! I have created you a board in the vendor section to assist! This helps provide a dedicated space for you and the EBPF members find out more about your product, feel free to use it as you need! Its exciting to see new products for platform since it is a very niche group with not a lot of aftermarket support.

Please feel free to ping me if you need anything! And thank you for helping improve the platform!!!


You think you're a Niche group?  This is like mass market compared to my other Subaru SVX stuff lol.

Thanks for the warm welcome!

If anyone's curious for more info, the website or FB page is where I'm putting the updates, I'll put the same stuff in each place so you won't miss anything on either site.

I do hope to get some data from the two beta testers in some form, as I know that's a big question, but they both report reduced IAT due to the insulation of the manifold from the head.  Ford didn't do you much of a favor by running coolant thru the manifold, but to fix that would be a BIG project in form of a new manifold. 

So, anyhow..I'll be around here or in my own vendor subforum to answer questions where I can. 

Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: autox4fun on June 20, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
https://youtu.be/oWu-s82JYvE
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: autox4fun on June 20, 2020, 03:58:53 PM
X35design spacer pictures
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 20, 2020, 04:17:28 PM
So I'm particularly interested in how well it insulates the manifold when your sitting in between runs at the track?

At the track I see 150F+ at the manifold after sitting for a minute. It drops with the help of the intercooler from Gearhead but if it didn't start out that high, then even better!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on June 20, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 20, 2020, 04:17:28 PM
So I'm particularly interested in how well it insulates the manifold when your sitting in between runs at the track?

At the track I see 150F+ at the manifold after sitting for a minute. It drops with the help of the intercooler from Gearhead but if it didn't start out that high, then even better!
What was it before the spacer?

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on June 21, 2020, 08:41:41 PM
Yeah I mean if this was installed my car I would have a data log to share compared to before the spacer and after showing a timed idle heat soak and some sort of WOT data before and after installation of the spacer all other mods being equal and similar ambient temp.  So I'm just so puzzled that you posted this on FB and said...after towing for a bit uphill IAT2 was 90° cooler than coolant temp...and that's it? 

Just for all the waiting and waiting ..for this...that's first look?  Great.  I have no clue how much better it is.  None, zip, zilch lol! 

Hopefully not offending anyone but I mean if I was the lucky revealer I would have nailed the key performance benefits for being either an advantage or inconclusive but more specific and in line with what the spacer is used for.  Right now we "think" if you tow often...it could be better now? 

I would really hope somone would bust my balls if the shoe was on the other foot.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: ridered74 on June 21, 2020, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 21, 2020, 08:41:41 PM
Yeah I mean if this was installed my car I would have a data log to share compared to before the spacer and after showing a timed idle heat soak and some sort of WOT data before and after installation of the spacer all other mods being equal and similar ambient temp.  So I'm just so puzzled that you posted this on FB and said...after towing for a bit uphill IAT2 was 90° cooler than coolant temp...and that's it? 

Just for all the waiting and waiting ..for this...that's first look?  Great.  I have no clue how much better it is.  None, zip, zilch lol! 

Hopefully not offending anyone but I mean if I was the lucky revealer I would have nailed the key performance benefits for being either an advantage or inconclusive but more specific and in line with what the spacer is used for.  Right now we "think" if you tow often...it could be better now? 

I would really hope somone would bust my balls if the shoe was on the other foot.

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I felt the same way about the willwood brake upgrade kit, but apparently I was the only one with reservations of only a single dragy test and then calling it good, and this spacer costs one tenth of the brake "upgrade" kit. Crazy how that works I guess.

I'm on the list for this so if nobody else can get some heat soak data, I will be happy to test it out myself and provide data. I have been to the track enough in the past and plan to continue in the future that it will be obvious quick whether it helps heat soak at the line or not. My data logs don't have ambient temperature so past logs won't help much, but next couple trips to the track I'll start keeping track of how hot it is outside and mark my logs so I have comparisons vs once I get the spacer.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on June 22, 2020, 06:10:49 AM
Yes that would make sense.  I'm on the list too number 4 in line I believe.  Emailed them back in January, unless someone else is AB?  I'm going to purchase this spacer whenever I get my email sent with a link to PayPal, but it certainly would be nice to have more concrete data prior to purchase.  Doesn't Matt Robinson have one?  Maybe he'll reveal some dyno results with this.  I read somewhere he mentioned something about runner length with this spacer and that it "should" be a benefit.  This item at @$159 the price is certainly right.  And install looks straightforward.  All foreplay and no climax...yet.

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Title: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 22, 2020, 08:39:53 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 22, 2020, 06:10:49 AM
Yes that would make sense.  I'm on the list too number 4 in line I believe.  Emailed them back in January, unless someone else is AB?  I'm going to purchase this spacer whenever I get my email sent with a link to PayPal, but it certainly would be nice to have more concrete data prior to purchase.  Doesn't Matt Robinson have one?  Maybe he'll reveal some dyno results with this.  I read somewhere he mentioned something about runner length with this spacer and that it "should" be a benefit.  This item at @$159 the price is certainly right.  And install looks straightforward.  All foreplay and no climax...yet.

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Agree. Would love to see some solid data...

A few data points on temps at the intake after a 1/4 mile run with the stock setup. 

A few data points on temps at the intake after a 1/4 mile run with the spacer setup.

I would hope to see a significant drop in heats soak at the manifold...
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on June 22, 2020, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 22, 2020, 08:39:53 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 22, 2020, 06:10:49 AM
Yes that would make sense.  I'm on the list too number 4 in line I believe.  Emailed them back in January, unless someone else is AB?  I'm going to purchase this spacer whenever I get my email sent with a link to PayPal, but it certainly would be nice to have more concrete data prior to purchase.  Doesn't Matt Robinson have one?  Maybe he'll reveal some dyno results with this.  I read somewhere he mentioned something about runner length with this spacer and that it "should" be a benefit.  This item at @$159 the price is certainly right.  And install looks straightforward.  All foreplay and no climax...yet.

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Agree. Would love to see some solid data...

A few data points on temps at the intake after a 1/4 mile run with the stock setup. 

A few data points on temps at the intake after a 1/4 mile run with the spacer setup.

I would hope to see a significant drop in heats soak at the manifold...
Yes and a solid tenth faster I would like to think at least.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on June 22, 2020, 09:51:56 AM
Honestly....dyno and track runs aside, I'd settle for information like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYguPadP2Uo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYguPadP2Uo)

Since I'm now on the list as well, I'll be buying one of these infrared temp thingies, and reporting back.  I'm not high on the list though....so it might not be anytime soon. :)
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 22, 2020, 09:52:52 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 22, 2020, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 22, 2020, 08:39:53 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 22, 2020, 06:10:49 AM
Yes that would make sense.  I'm on the list too number 4 in line I believe.  Emailed them back in January, unless someone else is AB?  I'm going to purchase this spacer whenever I get my email sent with a link to PayPal, but it certainly would be nice to have more concrete data prior to purchase.  Doesn't Matt Robinson have one?  Maybe he'll reveal some dyno results with this.  I read somewhere he mentioned something about runner length with this spacer and that it "should" be a benefit.  This item at @$159 the price is certainly right.  And install looks straightforward.  All foreplay and no climax...yet.

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Agree. Would love to see some solid data...

A few data points on temps at the intake after a 1/4 mile run with the stock setup. 

A few data points on temps at the intake after a 1/4 mile run with the spacer setup.

I would hope to see a significant drop in heats soak at the manifold...
Yes and a solid tenth faster I would like to think at least.

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Hmm... I think that would depend on the conditions.. if you are already spraying methanol or have the GH intercooler then I would think it would really depend. The idea here is to prevent as much heat transfer as possible from the heads to the intake manifold right? The IAT2 sensor at the top dramatically cools down as cooler air passes over it and even faster combined with methanol.

My assumption with this is that it will help inbetween runs to allow for more consistent times with less potential heak soak of the manifold. not a exactly going to take a tenth off your PB if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: ridered74 on June 22, 2020, 10:58:35 AM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 22, 2020, 09:51:56 AM
Honestly....dyno and track runs aside, I'd settle for information like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYguPadP2Uo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYguPadP2Uo)

Since I'm now on the list as well, I'll be buying one of these infrared temp thingies, and reporting back.  I'm not high on the list though....so it might not be anytime soon. :)

I've got one of those infrared temp guns and I'm 15 on the list. Next time I drive my car I'll get some before temps at ambient and after car is warmed up. The genesis temps seem low, I want to say mine was like 150 degrees after it was warmed up and stayed pretty hot for a long time.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on June 22, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: ridered74 on June 22, 2020, 10:58:35 AM
I've got one of those infrared temp guns and I'm 15 on the list. Next time I drive my car I'll get some before temps at ambient and after car is warmed up. The genesis temps seem low, I want to say mine was like 150 degrees after it was warmed up and stayed pretty hot for a long time.

Cool!  Honestly, this is the only data I'm interested in.  And if it ends up being a difference of 20 or so degrees....Id' say that's a win!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: ridered74 on June 23, 2020, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 22, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: ridered74 on June 22, 2020, 10:58:35 AM
I've got one of those infrared temp guns and I'm 15 on the list. Next time I drive my car I'll get some before temps at ambient and after car is warmed up. The genesis temps seem low, I want to say mine was like 150 degrees after it was warmed up and stayed pretty hot for a long time.

Cool!  Honestly, this is the only data I'm interested in.  And if it ends up being a difference of 20 or so degrees....Id' say that's a win!

Here's a pre spacer video of temps after a 45 minute drive. Outside temp was 76. Pretty wide range of temps depending on what part of intake you are aimed at. Saw everything from 121-170.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE1u2LrC7D0
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 26, 2020, 08:48:31 PM
Mine shipped today!
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on June 26, 2020, 08:50:38 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 26, 2020, 08:48:31 PM
Mine shipped today!
As did mine.

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 4sfed on June 26, 2020, 08:53:34 PM
Quote from: ridered74 on June 23, 2020, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 22, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: ridered74 on June 22, 2020, 10:58:35 AM
I've got one of those infrared temp guns and I'm 15 on the list. Next time I drive my car I'll get some before temps at ambient and after car is warmed up. The genesis temps seem low, I want to say mine was like 150 degrees after it was warmed up and stayed pretty hot for a long time.

Cool!  Honestly, this is the only data I'm interested in.  And if it ends up being a difference of 20 or so degrees....Id' say that's a win!

Here's a pre spacer video of temps after a 45 minute drive. Outside temp was 76. Pretty wide range of temps depending on what part of intake you are aimed at. Saw everything from 121-170.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE1u2LrC7D0
I would think measuring at the base of the runner, before and after, would be the best example. No?

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 27, 2020, 09:18:56 AM
Honestly......it seems like IAT2 WOULD BE THE ONLY TEMP THAT MATTERED. Maybe I'm not thinking outside of my wallet. I don't care what temp my hood is if I'm changing hoods to help with high intake temps....

I would think the air going through the intake would be the best measurement. This is the temp that started you down the rabbit hole right?


Of course if you want you can take Temp readings of the neighbors car and see what happens.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 29, 2020, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 27, 2020, 09:18:56 AM
Honestly......it seems like IAT2 WOULD BE THE ONLY TEMP THAT MATTERED. Maybe I'm not thinking outside of my wallet. I don't care what temp my hood is if I'm changing hoods to help with high intake temps....

I would think the air going through the intake would be the best measurement. This is the temp that started you down the rabbit hole right?


Of course if you want you can take Temp readings of the neighbors car and see what happens.

You are quite correct.

Mine arrived today, hoping that my intake manifold follows shortly so that I can install and start testing.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on July 07, 2020, 05:20:20 AM
Got mine yesterday.  So....need all new gaskets right?  Got a source for those?  (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200707/939f54586467703ecc28acfaf3f29f82.jpg)

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: 802SHO on July 07, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
Nevermind, purchased some from my local O'Reillys for $54

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: InTheHills on February 03, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 07, 2020, 05:20:20 AM
Got mine yesterday.  So....need all new gaskets right?  Got a source for those? 

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Any reports on the spacers?
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: ridered74 on February 03, 2022, 04:28:10 PM
Quote from: InTheHills on February 03, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 07, 2020, 05:20:20 AM
Got mine yesterday.  So....need all new gaskets right?  Got a source for those? 

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Any reports on the spacers?


Left mine installed long enough for one trip to the track. Intake temps were the same by the time I got to starting line as they were with no spacer, and the added bonus of being a tenth slower. Ripped it off as soon as I got home.
Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: bpd1151 on February 04, 2022, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: ridered74 on February 03, 2022, 04:28:10 PM
Quote from: InTheHills on February 03, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 07, 2020, 05:20:20 AM
Got mine yesterday.  So....need all new gaskets right?  Got a source for those? 

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Any reports on the spacers?


Left mine installed long enough for one trip to the track. Intake temps were the same by the time I got to starting line as they were with no spacer, and the added bonus of being a tenth slower. Ripped it off as soon as I got home.
Oh my! Ripped it off immediately upon returning home huh?

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Title: Re: Phenolic Spacers
Post by: ridered74 on February 04, 2022, 11:57:15 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on February 04, 2022, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: ridered74 on February 03, 2022, 04:28:10 PM
Quote from: InTheHills on February 03, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 07, 2020, 05:20:20 AM
Got mine yesterday.  So....need all new gaskets right?  Got a source for those? 

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Any reports on the spacers?


Left mine installed long enough for one trip to the track. Intake temps were the same by the time I got to starting line as they were with no spacer, and the added bonus of being a tenth slower. Ripped it off as soon as I got home.
Oh my! Ripped it off immediately upon returning home huh?

Rut roh Scooby

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Actually now that I think about it, I waited til the following weekend. I ordered another set of gaskets and had to wait for them to arrive before I ripped it out. Went much quicker the second time.
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