Have you guys heard of this one? I've seen a few threads on PTU fluid changes and what not so I thought I'd post this.
TSB #ASI-44333
NHTSA ID #10054961
Date Announced DECEMBER 01 2013
Summary: FORD: DUE TO EXCESSIVE LUBE LOSS FROM PTU, OR INTERNAL PTU FAILURE, SOME TRUCKS, WILL EXPERIENCE CONTAMINATION OR SLUDGING OF PTU LUBE, RESULTING IN AN INCREASED INTERNAL LUBE TEMPERATURE. MODEL 2011-2014 EXPLORER, TAURUS SHO.
What is the fix for this tsb?
Thanks for sharing this...first I have heard of it. I would hope that the fix is PTU replacement.
How would you get excessive lube loss without seeing it on the garage floor or smelling it burn on the exhaust system? I would think most people would take the car in rather than just drive it until the remaining lube turned to sludge or internal failure occurred. Maybe some were not properly filled from the factory or not properly filled after replacing a seal????
That's why I think mine was nearly empty. Just wasn't filled correctly.
Reading about all these PTU issues makes me a little nervous..... I am currently at 56,000 miles on my 2011 non PP.... and I am thinking I need to take some time and dig into this "possible" issue.
I can't find any tsbs on ford tech page related to this. Do you have the actual ford tsb number. If ford issued it in dec of 13 it would start with 13.
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I just found it. It's not a TSB it's a SSM, special service message.
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So what are the actions that ford takes on this? Is it up to the dealership?
OASIS SPECIAL SERVICE MESSAGE NUMBER: 44333
MESSAGE TITLE: 2011-2014 All-Wheel Drive Vehicles Equipped With PTU Cooling
APPLICABLE VEHICLES:
2013 - 2014 TRUCK: 00134 EXPLORER 4DR
2013 - 2014 TRUCK: 00134 EXPLORER 4DR
2013 - 2014 CAR: 00117 TAURUS
2011 - 2014 TRUCK: UB EXPLORER
2013 - 2014 TRUCK: UB EXPLORER
2013 - 2014 CAR: PH TAURUS
2011 - 2014 TRUCK: 00134 EXPLORER 4DR
2011 - 2014 TRUCK: 00134 EXPLORER 4DR
2013 - 2014 CAR: PH TAURUS
2013 - 2014 CAR: 00117 TAURUS
OASIS MESSAGE:
Some 2011-2014 Explorer that are Export, and 2013-2014 Police Sedan and Utility, Taurus SHO, and Explorer Sport vehicles equipped with AWD and a liquid cooled Power Take-Off Unit (PTU) may experience sludging or contamination of the PTU lube as a result of increased internal lube temperature caused by excessive lube loss from the PTU, or internal PTU failure. Please refer to Workshop Manual (WSM)section 308-07B for PTU diagnosis. If diagnostics lead to replacement of the PTU due to deteriorated lube (sludged or metal contaminants), please also replace the PTU vent hose using base part number 7034 during this repair.
APPLICABLE SYMPTOM CODES:
4***** Start/Run/Move
442*** MovingRun/Move
4429** 4 x 4 Function
442938 Inoperativeion
446*** Fluidsativeion
4464** Axledsativeion
446487 Visible Leakon
446488 Contaminationn
448*** Noiseminationn
4482** Moving/Driving
448202 Always/Driving
448212 Coldys/Driving
448234 Hotdys/Driving
448239 Intermittentng
500000 DRIVELINEentng
507000 DRIVELINE AUXILARY TRANS/PTO CONCERNS
508000 DRIVELINE TRANSFER CASE CONCERNSCERNS
509000 DRIVELINE AXLE CONCERNS CONCERNSCERNS
510000 DRIVELINE FLUID CONCERNSCONCERNSCERNS
597997 DRIVELINE NOISE CONCERNSCONCERNSCERNS
700000 NOISE AND VIBRATIONCERNSCONCERNSCERNS
702000 NVH OTHER NOISE CONCERNSCONCERNSCERNS
702100 NVH NOISE CONCERN -- FRONTNCERNSCERNS
Excellent! Thank you!
Any idea where the PTU vent tube is at?
Quote from: wasinger3000 on July 22, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
Excellent! Thank you!
Any idea where the PTU vent tube is at?
I'm gonna guess on top almost directly above drain, as I saw heated fluid on the side of mine when changing.
Found this...
http://www.fordproblems.com/tsbs/Taurus/2013/ (http://www.fordproblems.com/tsbs/Taurus/2013/)
Can't find the vent tube. I'd really like to know where it is since the tsb says it could cause fluid to leak.
Go on my FTP and there is actually a tsb on vent hoses not be attached properly. Pretty sure it has diagrams
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No flex? How is that possible?
Forgive my inability to figure out what the hell FTP stands for.
Quote from: jmr061 on July 19, 2014, 03:17:15 PM
FTP:71.89.39.226:29440
User : Taurus Club
Pass : 2013
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From another thread we both participated in
Quote from: wasinger3000 on July 22, 2014, 10:45:20 PM
Forgive my inability to figure out what the hell FTP stands for.
File transfer protocol
Found it! Thanks for the help. After looking it over I don't see a vent tube in the diagrams. Most likely not included in the diagram to reduce confusion. It is very interesting to see they want you to remove and fill fluid 3 times after rotating the wheels 3 full turns. This process was only mentioned for the non PP cars. Most likely because they know it's over heated.
A cooler should have been included on all sho's.
Quote from: wasinger3000 on July 22, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
Found it! Thanks for the help. After looking it over I don't see a vent tube in the diagrams. Most likely not included in the diagram to reduce confusion. It is very interesting to see they want you to remove and fill fluid 3 times after rotating the wheels 3 full turns. This process was only mentioned for the non PP cars. Most likely because they know it's over heated.
A cooler should have been included on all sho's.
You didn't go into the tsb folder.
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Quote from: jmr061 on July 22, 2014, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on July 22, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
Found it! Thanks for the help. After looking it over I don't see a vent tube in the diagrams. Most likely not included in the diagram to reduce confusion. It is very interesting to see they want you to remove and fill fluid 3 times after rotating the wheels 3 full turns. This process was only mentioned for the non PP cars. Most likely because they know it's over heated.
A cooler should have been included on all sho's.
You didn't go into the tsb folder.
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Ahh Nuts...
Excellent! Found it right along side the #3 cylinder. Thanks for the help!
Just looked at it. My PTU has oil all over the top of it. That explains my low fluid level.
I would look at all the tsbs. That's why I put them on there.
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The hose isn't loose but there is still oil there. It's not fresh oil. Or its just leaking very slowly. Only thing I can think of is the fitting that's on top of the PTU is cracked or something.
Sometimes I wish I had never looked into doing anything to this car.... hah. It's like they just want the PTU to grenade. Do they like paying to fix eveything!?!?
Blame it on "global" manufacturing :D I think the designs are good, but when the bean counters get to it ...
Oil on top of PTU is most Likely from vent. And is caused by being over filled.
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Quote from: Josephm on July 22, 2014, 10:45:08 PM
No flex? How is that possible?
Flex doesn't have an option for a PTU cooling system as far as I know. This only affects vehicles that have one, so the non Performance Package SHO is not included either.
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what do we need to do about getting this looked at by the dealer? Is this something that is covered by factory warranty? Or should we just change the fluid ourselves? What actions do we take?
Quote from: SHO-TYM on July 23, 2014, 09:01:29 AM
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what do we need to do about getting this looked at by the dealer? Is this something that is covered by factory warranty? Or should we just change the fluid ourselves? What actions do we take?
It appears that this service message only applies to SHOs with the performance package so I don't think there is any action you could take regarding this specific message.
Quote from: crash712us on July 23, 2014, 07:59:21 AM
Oil on top of PTU is most Likely from vent. And is caused by being over filled.
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What would cause my PTU to be 8 ounces low? Not all 8 ounces could have made it threw the vent seeing as how the oil on top of my PTU is only a 4" spot.
Just was basing it on other TSB's where fluid was losses thru the vent.
How did you determine that you where 8oz's low? That's half of what's in there. Just asking cause the last time I checked no one had been successful in change their selves and the dealers wouldn't touch it.
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Quote from: crash712us on July 23, 2014, 09:40:58 AM
Just was basing it on other TSB's where fluid was losses thru the vent.
How did you determine that you where 8oz's low? That's half of what's in there. Just asking cause the last time I checked no one had been successful in change their selves and the dealers wouldn't touch it.
Here ya go! :) http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3360.msg50317.html#msg50317 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3360.msg50317.html#msg50317)
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Ok well apparently wasinger has 2010-12 or 13+ non-Pp car. I very well versed in changing PTU fluid as I have done 3 times already. I never get more then 10 to 12oz's out of it. And I have no leaks, or is it slugged up. Been changing fluid every 6mos since it's replacement. so I wouldn't necessarily say your low. If you basing it on fluid recovered. Also difficult to properly follow thread from phone case you can't see folks sigs to find out which vehicle they are discussing.
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I pulled 13-14 oz out of mine and got 13-14 back in. Had noticeable leaking down side where drain is from the top. Only holds 18 oz so I'm confused on how that 4 oz difference actual made it down the side.
wasinger is 2013 sho nonPP
SHO-TYM is 2011 sho nonPP
SHOnUup is 2011 sho nonPP
Quote from: crash712us on July 23, 2014, 10:10:32 AM
Ok well apparently wasinger has 2010-12 or 13+ non-Pp car. I very well versed in changing PTU fluid as I have done 3 times already. I never get more then 10 to 12oz's out of it. And I have no leaks, or is it slugged up. Been changing fluid every 6mos since it's replacement. so I wouldn't necessarily say your low. If you basing it on fluid recovered. Also difficult to properly follow thread from phone case you can't see folks sigs to find out which vehicle they are discussing.
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I have a 13 non PP. What I did was suck all the fluid out of my PTU. I know I pulled all of it out because I put an inspection camera inside and was able to see the bottom of the case. I spun the wheels 3 rotations let it sit for 30 min then pulled the little puddle that was left out. The total amount I got out was ~10 ounces.
I think my PTU was not filled from the factory OR it had the hose come off before I bought the car (used with 16k) and had the tsb performed to fix the hose but they did not refill the PTU. (Most probable scenario)