Ok... I put in the order for the LMS HPFP... then doing some reading and talking to a couple guys(one of which I trust a lot)told me I should cancel the order because LMS is having a hard time getting the tune correct, and there are a couple guys with them that are having problems....
So I called Livernois up to ask them, and they responded there have been a couple revisions to the pump, but have installed quite a few recently without any problems...
So I have a couple questions to the form members...
A: Is there anyone on this forum who is running the LMS HPFP? If so, are you running the remote tune?
B: Has anyone else heard negative things about this pump/tune combo from LMS?
I don't mind spending good money on a good setup, and to be quite frank, I was surprised to hear that there were issues with LMS stuff. They generally are pretty spot on and somewhat conservative. But if they are pushing a dorked setup, then I want no part in it.
Any input would be appreciated!
I've been on the fence about the Firestorm HPFP as well. Its more expensive than all my mods to date combined and really don't see any convincing gains/benefits from using it unless you're going to do some full race build. Most seem to do just fine with the stock hpfp. I need some serious convincing... Plus my mpg is already crap enough can't imagine it getting even worse.
The only one I know is Rich. He was going full E85 so his situation is different. As for revisions, doesn't surprise me. You can test all you want, sometimes in the real world it's different. Least they took care of the issues. Remember too, these things have been only out for just over a year too. May get one later in the year, see how good it works witj my meth setup.
Quote from: bamsho on April 28, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
The only one I know is Rich. He was going full E85 so his situation is different. As for revisions, doesn't surprise me. You can test all you want, sometimes in the real world it's different. Least they took care of the issues. Remember too, these things have been only out for just over a year too. May get one later in the year, see how good it works witj my meth setup.
Believe me there is another one! Z
Quote from: ZSHO on April 28, 2018, 07:17:32 AM
Quote from: bamsho on April 28, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
The only one I know is Rich. He was going full E85 so his situation is different. As for revisions, doesn't surprise me. You can test all you want, sometimes in the real world it's different. Least they took care of the issues. Remember too, these things have been only out for just over a year too. May get one later in the year, see how good it works witj my meth setup.
Believe me there is another one! Z
Did you get it added Z during your direct port install?
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If you're going to spend that kind of $$$$ take your time and plan accordingly along with Dyno tune from LMS IMHO! Z
Quote from: ZSHO on April 28, 2018, 07:50:29 AM
If you're going to spend that kind of $$$$ take your time and plan accordingly along with Dyno tune from LMS IMHO! Z
If they lived closer, for sure!
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Quote from: bamsho on April 28, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
The only one I know is Rich. He was going full E85 so his situation is different. As for revisions, doesn't surprise me. You can test all you want, sometimes in the real world it's different. Least they took care of the issues. Remember too, these things have been only out for just over a year too. May get one later in the year, see how good it works witj my meth setup.
I'm not sure the benefits are there if you are already running meth. On my 2010 I talked to them extensively about combining the two modifications. The sum of the conversation with Dave and others over there basically ended with.... If you already have meth, then the HPFP isn't going make a difference other than peace of mind in the event there is an issue with the meth. The meth setup supplements the fueling well enough that you don't need any additional fuel. For instance, look at Mike K's SHO.... fully built with the stock HPFP and meth.
I see the HPFP as an alternative to using meth and/or you want to blend E85. For me personally it's about safety and ease of use. The meth kit from LMS is about $900 plus a few hours of install time. Then you are also managing two types of fuel. So there is a slight amount of overhead with meth. But the benefits are phenomenal.
Forgoing the meth and just picking up the HPFP allows you to just use 93 octane all year round with their most aggressive tune for pump gas without worrying about fuel pressure issues. Just fill and go. Now your not getting to cooling and octane jump like you would with the meth setup. And it's enough fuel to support ATPs as well on pump all year round. Additionally for me, I can swap the pumps, 3BAR, CAI, and tune in under 30 minutes so I can drop my car off for warranty work. With Meth that's a lot more complicated...
At the end of the day it's all about goals... for now I want something stupid simple that gets me into the solid mid 12's that's safe all year round.
I was running mid 12's on my previous rig with the LMS 4X Race tune without meth. Only different thus far is DP's and Exhaust... but the V11 tune pushes almost 2psi more on average of boost. But the V11 tune is too aggressive for all year round use... at my elevation of damn near sea level I am seeing uncomfortable fuel pressure drops in 60F temps (below 1000psi).
In any event that's my rant... I just get concerned hearing LMS is having problems tuning for a 1600 dollar part combined with what I would say is an unsafe V11 tune.
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Well stated there BJ.
And I think $1,600 is for their LOWER pump offering.
The "Severe" one is even more, $2,300...??
Quote from: bpd1151 on April 28, 2018, 10:22:26 AM
Well stated there BJ.
And I think $1,600 is for their LOWER pump offering.
The "Severe" one is even more, $2,300...??
You are correct
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Here is the most recent Topic. Z :)
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,8947.msg134721.html#msg134721 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,8947.msg134721.html#msg134721)
In any event... given LMS track record and general safety, I went ahead and finalized the order today. I should have the pump in hand by end of next week along with updated tunes.
I believe this setup will give me a super safe configuration that will allow me to run their most aggressive 93 pump tunes all year round without having to worry about much.
Should be a solid mid 12 second car on a good day at the tracks by me.
I will add an addendum to my "how to" on the HPFP installation. The only difference will be I will need to place the diaper under the LP feed line at the HPFP instead of the bleeder that's on the 2010. Additionally you need to slightly bend the line the get it to line up with the feed connection on the newer pumps.
Thanks everyone for the info!
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Quote from: BJSHO on April 28, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
Quote from: bamsho on April 28, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
The only one I know is Rich. He was going full E85 so his situation is different. As for revisions, doesn't surprise me. You can test all you want, sometimes in the real world it's different. Least they took care of the issues. Remember too, these things have been only out for just over a year too. May get one later in the year, see how good it works witj my meth setup.
I'm not sure the benefits are there if you are already running meth. On my 2010 I talked to them extensively about combining the two modifications. The sum of the conversation with Dave and others over there basically ended with.... If you already have meth, then the HPFP isn't going make a difference other than peace of mind in the event there is an issue with the meth. The meth setup supplements the fueling well enough that you don't need any additional fuel. For instance, look at Mike K's SHO.... fully built with the stock HPFP and meth.
I see the HPFP as an alternative to using meth and/or you want to blend E85. For me personally it's about safety and ease of use. The meth kit from LMS is about $900 plus a few hours of install time. Then you are also managing two types of fuel. So there is a slight amount of overhead with meth. But the benefits are phenomenal.
Forgoing the meth and just picking up the HPFP allows you to just use 93 octane all year round with their most aggressive tune for pump gas without worrying about fuel pressure issues. Just fill and go. Now your not getting to cooling and octane jump like you would with the meth setup. And it's enough fuel to support ATPs as well on pump all year round. Additionally for me, I can swap the pumps, 3BAR, CAI, and tune in under 30 minutes so I can drop my car off for warranty work. With Meth that's a lot more complicated...
At the end of the day it's all about goals... for now I want something stupid simple that gets me into the solid mid 12's that's safe all year round.
I was running mid 12's on my previous rig with the LMS 4X Race tune without meth. Only different thus far is DP's and Exhaust... but the V11 tune pushes almost 2psi more on average of boost. But the V11 tune is too aggressive for all year round use... at my elevation of damn near sea level I am seeing uncomfortable fuel pressure drops in 60F temps (below 1000psi).
In any event that's my rant... I just get concerned hearing LMS is having problems tuning for a 1600 dollar part combined with what I would say is an unsafe V11 tune.
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Interesting you are seeing such low FP numbers. I am running version6 of a 92octane AJP tune and do not think we ever saw under 1400 and I was testing in cold weather (50*f) and crap winter fuel intentionally since we see it for such a long period of time in winter. That way I knew I was nice and safe. Just shows how while these cars a true monsters tuned, each one is very different when custom tuning.
Quote from: BJSHO on April 28, 2018, 12:38:21 PM
In any event... given LMS track record and general safety, I went ahead and finalized the order today. I should have the pump in hand by end of next week along with updated tunes.
I believe this setup will give me a super safe configuration that will allow me to run their most aggressive 93 pump tunes all year round without having to worry about much.
Should be a solid mid 12 second car on a good day at the tracks by me.
I will add an addendum to my "how to" on the HPFP installation. The only difference will be I will need to place the diaper under the LP feed line at the HPFP instead of the bleeder that's on the 2010. Additionally you need to slightly bend the line the get it to line up with the feed connection on the newer pumps.
Thanks everyone for the info!
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Glad you decided to go with our HPFP, From there o it should be smooth sailing for your vehicles performance and no longer have that issue anymore!
Quote from: lamrith on April 28, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
Quote from: BJSHO on April 28, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
Quote from: bamsho on April 28, 2018, 07:02:32 AM
The only one I know is Rich. He was going full E85 so his situation is different. As for revisions, doesn't surprise me. You can test all you want, sometimes in the real world it's different. Least they took care of the issues. Remember too, these things have been only out for just over a year too. May get one later in the year, see how good it works witj my meth setup.
I'm not sure the benefits are there if you are already running meth. On my 2010 I talked to them extensively about combining the two modifications. The sum of the conversation with Dave and others over there basically ended with.... If you already have meth, then the HPFP isn't going make a difference other than peace of mind in the event there is an issue with the meth. The meth setup supplements the fueling well enough that you don't need any additional fuel. For instance, look at Mike K's SHO.... fully built with the stock HPFP and meth.
I see the HPFP as an alternative to using meth and/or you want to blend E85. For me personally it's about safety and ease of use. The meth kit from LMS is about $900 plus a few hours of install time. Then you are also managing two types of fuel. So there is a slight amount of overhead with meth. But the benefits are phenomenal.
Forgoing the meth and just picking up the HPFP allows you to just use 93 octane all year round with their most aggressive tune for pump gas without worrying about fuel pressure issues. Just fill and go. Now your not getting to cooling and octane jump like you would with the meth setup. And it's enough fuel to support ATPs as well on pump all year round. Additionally for me, I can swap the pumps, 3BAR, CAI, and tune in under 30 minutes so I can drop my car off for warranty work. With Meth that's a lot more complicated...
At the end of the day it's all about goals... for now I want something stupid simple that gets me into the solid mid 12's that's safe all year round.
I was running mid 12's on my previous rig with the LMS 4X Race tune without meth. Only different thus far is DP's and Exhaust... but the V11 tune pushes almost 2psi more on average of boost. But the V11 tune is too aggressive for all year round use... at my elevation of damn near sea level I am seeing uncomfortable fuel pressure drops in 60F temps (below 1000psi).
In any event that's my rant... I just get concerned hearing LMS is having problems tuning for a 1600 dollar part combined with what I would say is an unsafe V11 tune.
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Interesting you are seeing such low FP numbers. I am running version6 of a 92octane AJP tune and do not think we ever saw under 1400 and I was testing in cold weather (50*f) and crap winter fuel intentionally since we see it for such a long period of time in winter. That way I knew I was nice and safe. Just shows how while these cars a true monsters tuned, each one is very different when custom tuning.
True, but Brad tunes a bit different. He runs .80 lambda while LMS runs quite a bit richer which directly impacts fuel rail pressure.
Additionally the V11 tune is commanding and holding 14psi all the way through 6200 RPMs and 23 degrees of spark... that is A LOT for 93 pump... combine that with the richer AFRs and yea... fuel pressure issues are gonna happen when it's cold.
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Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on April 28, 2018, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: BJSHO on April 28, 2018, 12:38:21 PM
In any event... given LMS track record and general safety, I went ahead and finalized the order today. I should have the pump in hand by end of next week along with updated tunes.
I believe this setup will give me a super safe configuration that will allow me to run their most aggressive 93 pump tunes all year round without having to worry about much.
Should be a solid mid 12 second car on a good day at the tracks by me.
I will add an addendum to my "how to" on the HPFP installation. The only difference will be I will need to place the diaper under the LP feed line at the HPFP instead of the bleeder that's on the 2010. Additionally you need to slightly bend the line the get it to line up with the feed connection on the newer pumps.
Thanks everyone for the info!
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Glad you decided to go with our HPFP, From there o it should be smooth sailing for your vehicles performance and no longer have that issue anymore!
I'm screen capping this and gonna hold you to it!!!! In any event, looking forward to it. Thanks for answering my 100 phone calls and the patience.
Now I need to submit my 5th(?) tune request in 4 days? Probably should touch base with Anthony on Monday...
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Quote from: BJSHO on April 28, 2018, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on April 28, 2018, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: BJSHO on April 28, 2018, 12:38:21 PM
In any event... given LMS track record and general safety, I went ahead and finalized the order today. I should have the pump in hand by end of next week along with updated tunes.
I believe this setup will give me a super safe configuration that will allow me to run their most aggressive 93 pump tunes all year round without having to worry about much.
Should be a solid mid 12 second car on a good day at the tracks by me.
I will add an addendum to my "how to" on the HPFP installation. The only difference will be I will need to place the diaper under the LP feed line at the HPFP instead of the bleeder that's on the 2010. Additionally you need to slightly bend the line the get it to line up with the feed connection on the newer pumps.
Thanks everyone for the info!
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Glad you decided to go with our HPFP, From there o it should be smooth sailing for your vehicles performance and no longer have that issue anymore!
I'm screen capping this and gonna hold you to it!!!! In any event, looking forward to it. Thanks for answering my 100 phone calls and the patience.
Now I need to submit my 5th(?) tune request in 4 days? Probably should touch base with Anthony on Monday...
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We will do our best to get that tuner updated and back to you as soon as we can! Let us know your thoughts and opinions once you have installed the pump and tune!
Something like this! Lol. Z :-X
(http://https/i.imgur.com/7eHmnFJh.jpg?1)
Quote from: ZSHO on May 02, 2018, 06:40:28 PM
Something like this! Lol. Z
(http://http/i.imgur.com/7eHmnFJh.jpg?1)
Is that one yours? I didn't know you had one installed....
Does the SHo engine cover still fit?
And by the looks of it, you needed a new line as well for the fuel.. Cody told me the new revisions no longer need different lines...
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Mine should have shipped today but unfortunately no tracking number. Come to think about it, out of all the crap I have ordered from LMS not once have I ever received a tracking number.... not sure if it cause all the s*** I have given them...
Trying to wait patiently....
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