OK, I can now offer the same upgraded turbos that are on my Flex to you guys.
These are stock turbos with new billet wheels installed and upgraded wastegate actuators seen here:
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What will you receive:
A pair of stock turbos that have been rebuilt with new seals and upgraded billet compressor wheels along with Turbosmart wastegate actuators (http://www.turbosmartusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/TS-06XX-XXXX-IWG75-Universal-rev-2.pdf)
Pricing will be as follows:
$1600 a pair + shipping and core charge for 1-4
$1550 a pair + shipping and core charge for 5-9
$1500 a pair + shipping and core charge for 10+
I currently have 1 pair of cores with me at my house that can be upgraded and sent out within 72 hours, I would continue to swap cores and ship as we have orders.
I'll start the group buy and finalize it 8/1 for anybody who wants to join in. These are considered a stage 2 turbo due to the upgraded wastegate and billet wheel. On my car I am seeing 23psi down to 18psi across the rev range with these turbos. I am also going to be headed to the dyno this week for the pre/post turbo upgrade, just need to get my car back after all the work we've been doing.
The funds from these being sold will be going right into the hot and cold pipe development, once those are done a group buy will be set up for those. Those funds will be put into the AWD controller development.
Would love too, but I need to wait for the final child custody hearing.
23-18 psi, is the boost dropping off? Please explain. Thanks
Quote from: Ricanracer140 on July 23, 2013, 04:49:57 PM
23-18 psi, is the boost dropping off? Please explain. Thanks
Yes, all that was done was a stock wheel upgrade, the boost is much flatter now but the turbos are still very small, they will drop off at higher RPM.
Here's a video of them in action:
Boost leak fixed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCLvexuoHnk#ws)
Stock turbos
E85 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP32_19SfHU#)
Mikey B,
Would you take these over LMS upgraded turbo's?
Also, why a core charge if we are sending our turbo's to them?
I'm tempted to buy in and then just had my turbos swapped here -- then just go to LMS for alchy install (not chance in hell I'm trying alchy install here.)
Geswek here's the A to B comparison from the information I've been able to gather:
Livernois (Tial) turbo upgrades are a 55mm billet compressor wheel with a stock wastegate, this requires machining of the front side cover.
The turbo upgrades I'm offering is a 48mm (stock size) billet compressor wheel with an upgraded wastegate actuator over stock with a higher PSI spring. No maching is required on the turbos so the turnaround is very fast.
The guys running the Livernois turbo aren't running much more boost than I am right now from what I understand they'll have to chime in on this.
As far as the core charge, I will charge $800 core charge BUT that will only be until I get your turbos and they are inspected. As soon as you swap out your turbos and send me the cores and they are good you will be refunded. If I have a set of turbos in stock ready to go you will have them shipped out either that day or the next business day upon receipt of payment.
For a car with meth as the auxiliary fuel system these turbos are more than enough for your stock fuel system + meth according to the research I've done.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on July 23, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
Geswek here's the A to B comparison from the information I've been able to gather:
Livernois (Tial) turbo upgrades are a 55mm billet compressor wheel with a stock wastegate, this requires machining of the front side cover.
The turbo upgrades I'm offering is a 48mm (stock size) billet compressor wheel with an upgraded wastegate actuator over stock with a higher PSI spring. No maching is required on the turbos so the turnaround is very fast.
The guys running the Livernois turbo aren't running much more boost than I am right now from what I understand they'll have to chime in on this.
As far as the core charge, I will charge $800 core charge BUT that will only be until I get your turbos and they are inspected. As soon as you swap out your turbos and send me the cores and they are good you will be refunded. If I have a set of turbos in stock ready to go you will have them shipped out either that day or the next business day upon receipt of payment.
For a car with meth as the auxiliary fuel system these turbos are more than enough for your stock fuel system + meth according to the research I've done.
What if I just sent you my turbos and had you modify my turbos? I rather keep my turbos.
What are your thoughts on me achieving 400+ awhp? Will it be capable or should I stick with LMS?
My name is Storm; geswek sounds funny when you use it as my name.
You can send me your turbos, you will be down for the amount of time you send me yours, they are modified and sent back. If I received them on a Monday they SHOULD be mailed back by Wednesday.
You can achieve 400WHP with these turbos.
Adding these to a tuned only car would pick me up how much roughly hp/tq over stock. Would it need to be retuned? Thanks
Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 23, 2013, 08:08:10 PM
Adding these to a tuned only car would pick me up how much roughly hp/tq over stock. Would it need to be retuned? Thanks
Right in the 30-50 HP range depending on octane fuel available. You don't have to retune but you should to take advantage of the extra boost if your fuel system can support it.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on July 23, 2013, 08:13:06 PM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 23, 2013, 08:08:10 PM
Adding these to a tuned only car would pick me up how much roughly hp/tq over stock. Would it need to be retuned? Thanks
Right in the 30-50 HP range depending on octane fuel available. You don't have to retune but you should to take advantage of the extra boost if your fuel system can support it.
So retune with more boost and meth injection would be the ticket? I would rather keep the exhaust stock if possible.
Secondly, how big of job to swap the turbo's??
Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 23, 2013, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on July 23, 2013, 08:13:06 PM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 23, 2013, 08:08:10 PM
Adding these to a tuned only car would pick me up how much roughly hp/tq over stock. Would it need to be retuned? Thanks
Right in the 30-50 HP range depending on octane fuel available. You don't have to retune but you should to take advantage of the extra boost if your fuel system can support it.
So retune with more boost and meth injection would be the ticket? I would rather keep the exhaust stock if possible.
Secondly, how big of job to swap the turbo's??
I thought you need more boost. :) just do it.
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If you really want to take advantage of any turbo upgrade for this car you really should install meth injection, mostly to augment the factory fuel system.
If you want to keep the exhaust stock just do cat'd downpipes and if you want eventually do the cutout I put up today, stock sounding most of the time. :)
It took my guy about 12 hours to do the swap, he left the motor in, if you drop the cradle (I don't know how much time that is, then it's easy peasy. :)
That's awesome turn around time, and $800 is a fair core charge. I'm confused as to why you can hit 400whp with these turbos being smaller than what's on my truck when I'm being told it's not possible to hit that mark with 51mm turbos.
Quote from: redsand on August 27, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
That's awesome turn around time, and $800 is a fair core charge. I'm confused as to why you can hit 400whp with these turbos being smaller than what's on my truck when I'm being told it's not possible to hit that mark with 51mm turbos.
There's guys with 52mm compressor upgrades at 500WHP from what I understand, I am also very close to that mark now, 400WHP was with my stockers! :)
So upgraded turbo's do not require a retune? What gains are there if you don't retune the car?
Quote from: Fast SHO on November 22, 2013, 11:01:17 PMSo upgraded turbo's do not require a retune? What gains are there if you don't retune the car?
I've been running the upgraded turbos from ATP for well over 1 month now, and I have not retuned..... yet.
However, it goes w/o saying, that by electing to not retune, your essentially throwing your money away by paying for the hardware upgrades, w/o benefiting from the software upgrades.
In my case, I don't care to be chasing down, what amounts to be anticipated boost leaks (when I do retune) therefore.....
I am holding off on doing so (for now) until my hard/hot pipe order arrives.
Once installed, I then anticipate making the 5hr trek back out to LMS, for (yet another) custom dyno tune file.
At this point, & factoring in the multiple, upcoming Holiday's, I probably won't schedule the new tune until January 2014. If the weather's crappy, which it is usually is in MI. during the Winter months, then I may push it back into February.
But for now, I am still running my "old" custom dyno tune file from LMS, which has been working just fine thus far.
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What gains are there to be had in swapping the turbo's and not getting a tune? I can't imagine much.
Are you running meth on your current setup?
I yield to 4DR as far as any gains he obtained by merely strapping on the upgraded turbos, prior to him adjusting his tune.
Me? I noticed more "umph" myself, but w/o having driven it to LMS for a dyno, it'd be mere speculation on my part.
Again, ask 4DR.
Yes, I am running (100%) Methanol.
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If you just bolted them on you would see some gains with the stock tune compared to stock just because more CFM at the same PSI for the stock tune, however I don't know how torque management would handle the additional power. It would be an interesting experiment. If you want to try it I'll be happy to sell you a pair of ATP turbos to try it out. :)
I doubt TM would impact much. I'm more concerned with A/F ratios and going too lean.
What sort of issues have their been with these turbo's. Any reports of seals leaking and/or burning oil?
Quote from: Fast SHO on November 23, 2013, 11:37:58 AM
I doubt TM would impact much. I'm more concerned with A/F ratios and going too lean.
What sort of issues have their been with these turbo's. Any reports of seals leaking and/or burning oil?
Actually these cars are closed loop and run by commanded AFR so fuel isn't a concern unless you run out of fuel however it will close the throttle on you to compensate for too much torque, the entire ECU is controlled by torque tables....
One of the members with tials (maybe 2) have had bad seals from what I remember, not enough ATP or turbos direct turbos out there to know but so far so good. ATP have upgraded bearings and turbos direct rebuild the bearings before sending them out.
I'll be interested in these ATP's sometime in the future, possibly near future. Getting ready to head to Germany.
What downpipe do you recommend?
I was looking to just go with downpipes and upgraded turbo's for the time being. Get meth injection when I return stateside.
Do you want catted, if so ppe because their cats don't throw codes, non catted whatever it's cheapest
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Looking for catted. Actually would be interested in a package price for the catted down pipes, ATP upgrade, and the hard pipes.
OK, I'll work something up and PM you, PM me your zip code please for shipping quote and what BoV option for hard pipes, tial or stock mounts?
4DR... I'm still kicking myself in the pants for not taking you up on the pipes you had... :brick:
I am interested the billet impeller stock rebuild you're offering and necessary hard piping, 2 questions:
Regarding TIAL vs BOV... with the springs available for the former, what do you recommend/install, pros / cons and, what is the boost increase with the best one?
What are the pros and cons of catted vs non-catted downpipes? Also, you know I'm local and would like to watch and learn.... Does that cost more? LOL
I guess one more thing... Can you dyno or who do you recommend for dyno in Phx?
Quote from: BiGMaC on November 23, 2013, 08:25:33 PM
4DR... I'm still kicking myself in the pants for not taking you up on the pipes you had... :brick:
I happen to appreciate your procrastination, lol.