So I went out yesterday to take the family mini golfing. I get in the SHO and it won't start. I just drove it the night before. So I tried to jump it but didn't want to take to much time since I had the wife and kids waiting in the other car.
So I left if for today. I got the car started after about 20+ mins of having it connected to another car this morning. after I let it run for a bit, My Sync was not working and the air bag light was on.
So I asked a buddy of mine he said I would eventually go away...Well the heat is runnin full blast and I can't get it to turn off. The control panel will not work.
So i figured it is time to take it in. So I took the 3-Bar out and out the 2-Bar back in. I returned it to stock with hope that the air bag and Sync would work, but nope light still on and Sync still not working, with heat running at full blast....
Any thoughts guys...I know I am taking the car to the dealer, but I would at least like to get the heat turned off.
Oh yeah, I have had the car since July last year and it was manufactured in May 2014.
The bad resolution of the 3 bar is your problem....Sike! ZSHO you will learn to love me I'm not your enemy lol...
Anyway 2 degrees here and wouldn't you know my 14' wouldn't start either...After about 5 minutes I got it. I've noticed that after a reflash sometimes my heated steering won't get hot. I have to shut the car off and on then it works. And twice after a reflash my Console with all the HVAC controls was not responsive...No buttons worked...I did another reflash and waited until the SYNC rebooted then all worked. So now anytime I reflash I let the sync bar complete before starting the car.
Is there a TSB for these shitty Taurus batteries? I got mine in may of 13' and it's a 14' MY and the salesman told me that they threw in a battery because it sat on the lot awhile and was dead...So my battery isn't even a year old and it won't start in 2 degrees? Terrible...What's the model of the good battery that you guys are getting from Ford?
BXT-65-850 (http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/PartDetail.aspx?n=18FfV3IL8ogz7J%2f6%2fQ1bUQ%3d%3d&id=308154090&m=44&search=true&year=2014&make=Ford&model=Taurus). It is surprising that even just 1 year is too long!
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 15, 2015, 04:29:15 PM
The bad resolution of the 3 bar is your problem....Sike! ZSHO you will learn to love me I'm not your enemy lol...
Anyway 2 degrees here and wouldn't you know my 14' wouldn't start either...After about 5 minutes I got it. I've noticed that after a reflash sometimes my heated steering won't get hot. I have to shut the car off and on then it works. And twice after a reflash my Console with all the HVAC controls was not responsive...No buttons worked...I did another reflash and waited until the SYNC rebooted then all worked. So now anytime I reflash I let the sync bar complete before starting the car.
Is there a TSB for these shitty Taurus batteries? I got mine in may of 13' and it's a 14' MY and the salesman told me that they threw in a battery because it sat on the lot awhile and was dead...So my battery isn't even a year old and it won't start in 2 degrees? Terrible...What's the model of the good battery that you guys are getting from Ford?
Just for you,how about that hug,if you have a multimeter you can check to see if it is acquiring the the proper voltage,just like SHOdded mentioned the new updated battery is BXT-65-850.
:beer2: I just gave out my first thank you...How about that?
As you are already aware that there is a 3yr/36 month warranty,so basically if you have time to take it to the dealer they will perform an amp rating and a draw test in order to consider a upgraded battery,personally always used anticorrosion on the terminals to help from the buildup.http://www.amazon.com/NOCO-MC303S-Anti-Corrosion-Terminal-Protector/dp/B001DKUTR0/ref=sr_1_sc_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1421771012&sr=1-2-spell&keywords=anticorrossion+battery+terminal (http://www.amazon.com/NOCO-MC303S-Anti-Corrosion-Terminal-Protector/dp/B001DKUTR0/ref=sr_1_sc_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1421771012&sr=1-2-spell&keywords=anticorrossion+battery+terminal)
I already setup a 7:30am appointment for tomorrow. It's just frustrating and sad that I haven't had the car a year and I have a dead battery. This is the second time it's died. The first I jumped it and it was good. I chalked that time up to me leaving the back seat light on for my daughter.
Totally empathize, man!
TSB #TSB-14-0060
NHTSA ID #10055322
Date Announced:
MARCH 21 2014
Additional Info:
How to Fix
Summary: FORD: INTERCEPTOR VEHICLES WILL HAVE ERRATIC OPERATION WITH CLIMATE CONTROL BLOWER MOTOR AND WITH HEATING VENTILATION AIR CONDITIONING (HVAC) MODULE, AN INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE, DURING REPAIR DIAGNOSIS. MODEL 2013-2014 EXPLORER, TAURUS
Could also be TSB related,considering you mentioned the erratic heat.
Well I dropped the car off at the dealer this morning....Lets see what they say.
I'll update later.
These batteries are a terrible fit for these cars. Mine died at the dealership when they were trying to work on it haha.
Pity the OEM batteries are not as sturdy as they should be! Since the cost differential is minimal, they should move up to the 850cca as OEM for the SHO. Is the MKS EB spec'd similarly? What is y'all's experience so far?
Question for you guys....I returned the car back to stock before I took it in...If they look through the computer, what will they see?
That the computer was flashed, unless they dig deeper, which they generally do only in serious cases. Be sure to check (with your tuning device) if they updated the PCM before reloading the tune.
What truly amazes me is the growing amount of SHO owners having these issues with there oem battery at an early stage,and there seems to be no TSB or bulletins to address this matter,the oem battery is 650cca rated,if the updated one is 850cca rated which has more amperage,leads me to believe a stronger battery is called for on the SHO or other E.B vehicles,just my 2cent.
Quote from: SHOdded on February 16, 2015, 10:43:01 AM
Pity the OEM batteries are not as sturdy as they should be! Since the cost differential is minimal, they should move up to the 850cca as OEM for the SHO. Is the MKS EB spec'd similarly? What is y'all's experience so far?
Its also ten pounds heavier.
Quote from: SHOdded on February 16, 2015, 11:11:01 AM
That the computer was flashed, unless they dig deeper, which they generally do only in serious cases. Be sure to check (with your tuning device) if they updated the PCM before reloading the tune.
How do I check if they updated the PCM? I have the LMS Mycal tuner.
Quote from: WickedSHO on February 16, 2015, 11:38:55 AM
How do I check if they updated the PCM? I have the LMS Mycal tuner.
Instructions from LMS
'Put the vehicle in accessory mode by pressing the start button twice without applying the brake. To get the ECU CAL / Strategy Code, hold the N and Up buttons simultaneously while plugging the device into the OBD-II port. This will enter engineering mode. Once in engineering mode, scroll down to ECU CAL/Strategy Code and press the Y button. Follow the prompts on the display. Write the ECU CAL/Strategy Code down. Do the same for ECU SW PART ID and email it along with the information requested above.
I would not really worry to much about it,first of all hopefully they fix your issues,just follow SHOdded advice on how to obtain your strategy code.
Great, thanks guys!
Waiting for the call back...
My 2010 OEM battery lasted exactly 4 yrs from the date of manufacture. I had two starts that i noticed seemed weak. Upon a test, the guy said he was surprised it would even start. I immediately replaced it with a Maxx Everstart with a 850CCA.
I think the 2013+ are different, but, with the 2010-2012, an ECU flash can look similar with a dead battery event.
Ok guys so i just talked with the dealer...and I got a few surprises, well one surpirse and a confirmation.
The battery is shot and they are replacing it. Covered under warrenty. Service guy said that is what the Sync was not working and the air bag light was on, not enough voltage to power everything. Problem one fixed.
How for the confirmation: I had metioned on here a week or so ago that I thought the car was leaking fluid, but concluded that it was road grime coming off the car due to all the snow we had gotten. Well I menitoned to them that I felt like it always smelled like something was burning when the heat was on. Turns out the oil feed line was leaking, so they have to replace it.
Now for the surprise...This one really got me!
He says while they were under the car looking around, they noticed that the right front axle was popped out of place. So that needs to fixed as well. The aggravating part about this one, I had the car at the original dealer I bought it from about two months ago for front end noise I thought was funny sounding and they told me it was all good. But I think it is funny that this dealer, tells me this now.
So the SHO will be at the dealer for a few days while she gets fixed. I hope to have her back by Wed.
Fun fun! Only 8 months old!
Sounds like this dealer is a keeper! No fun driving around with a disconnected axle OR a bad oil feed line ...
Had to jump my '13 yesterday and it hasn't been super cold or anything here near Cinci, OH. I used to work from home before I was laid off and the car would only get driven maybe once a week. Now that I'm unemployed it gets driven even less really. I have noticed that the longer it sits the harder it is to start. I do have a radar detector in it that I had in my TBSS which never killed the battery in it after sitting a week but I did have an optima red top. I turned off the detector before I parked it yesterday and I'll check the battery voltage at the end of this week to see where it's at after sitting with nothing on in the car. I'm going to guess it'll be low and just time to replace it which is BS for a 2+ y/o battery. It's still under the 3/36 but I have the extended warranty also.
I think the combination of having the alarm active with cold weather and seldom starting would slowly drain any battery.
I have the 650CCA and my car is a 14'
So are they automatically putting in the 850CCA when people come in with battery problems with these cars?
I had a 850CCA in my 2013 before it grenaded and they replaced it with a 650CCA model.
Quote from: slurppie on February 16, 2015, 09:05:59 PM
I had a 850CCA in my 2013 before it grenaded and they replaced it with a 650CCA model.
You blew up your SHO?
I cannot confirm it,but based on members experiencing these issues,many are getting the updated 850cca,in my case i had the 650cc,but based on the work order it states different,go figure.
So you had an 850 and they put a 650 in? I'd demand the 850 lol....I just looked on ford oem parts and put my vin in and there were various batteries from the BXL 59 to the bxl 65 in CCA 650, 750 and 850...That's weird. I thought there would only be one battery when filtered by VIN
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2015, 09:09:21 PM
Quote from: slurppie on February 16, 2015, 09:05:59 PM
I had a 850CCA in my 2013 before it grenaded and they replaced it with a 650CCA model.
You blew up your SHO?
No the battery did
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That's def. not good, slurppie.
PS - I see you're a fellow racer as well. :)
Quote from: r1crusher on February 17, 2015, 12:41:43 AM
That's def. not good, slurppie.
PS - I see you're a fellow racer as well. :)
Never did any actual racing just track days with what used to be called NESBA, STT, and a few other local organizations.
Gotcha...just assumed with number plates you might have. I typically run and race with Moto Series but have done stuff with N2 and STT. :beer2:
Now back to the regularly scheduled thread. :)
So I got the car back last night after it spent four days with the dealer.
They gave me a new battery. Exact same one, BXT-65-650. Sucks they didn't give me the upgraded one, but if it happens again, I will take it in again.
As for the oil leak. It was coming form the drain line from the right side turbo, not the oil feed line as I stated earlier. All new tube assembly.
The right axle is all new. New shaft and new hardware.
I'll drive it a day or two on the stock tune, make sure everythgin is all good....then back to the fun.
Good luck with it!
Well...car sat yet again for about a week and it's completely dead this time. I had to use the key to unlock the door to get the hood open. I was just getting ready to make a drive up from Cinci to the west side of Cleveland to visit my folks and then on Monday go to a new client in Canton.
This is totally unacceptable for a car that just a few years old. I'll be stopping by the local Ford dealer while I'm up north to just get a new better battery and make them warranty it as well.
F@#$()!*$%!!!!!
That would seriously annoy me too! Hope the upgraded Motorcraft works out for you, maybe they will give you the 7 year warranty since they'll be installing it? Also get yourself one of them newfangled lithium pocket jumpstarters :D
I had some battery issues as well when I first got my SHO (used). They replaced under warranty but with a 39 month battery, 650 CCA. I said screw it and bought an Interstate MPT-65 850 CCA. haven't had any issues and voltage is consistently 14.5
Cars been sitting in garage since mid November. I start it every couple weeks and starts up just fine.
Interstate's making a comeback! Good to know, Brad :) Anyone crack open the caps to check electrolyte levels/charge in the MC batteries? If the case itself is weak, can't do anything about that ...
MC batteries are supposed to be maintenance free, right? Those 2 caps may not be removable, IDK for sure. If they are, there should be 3 cells under each cap that can be checked and topped off if need be. At least 2.1V per cell.
The endurance of these M.C battery has been in question as of late,but in the
other hand they do offer free towing which is a plus.
MOTORCRAFT® TESTED TOUGH® MAX BATTERIES STARTING AT $119.95 MSRP.
With 100-month warranty.
With exchange. Taxes and installation extra. Warranty includes FREE towing on Dealer-installed battery. See participating dealership for vehicle applications and limited-warranty details.
Expires 3/31/2015
Yeah, you'd think Ford has confidence in these batteries. Hopefully they are not playing the Kia 10/100,000 warranty game.
x2 Agreed on that,overall the majority of people affected in my view are the ones living in real cold climates cause the M.C 65-650 is not suitable and does not have enough CCA for sub zero weather for our cars,on the other hand the M.C 65-850 not only has more CCA,but its more suitable for those who live in colder climates and you dont hear to many complaints in regards to the M.C-850,in my view they should correct and update the issue and expect a TSB in the very near future from all the complaints and replacements under warranty,not to good for the environment.
Well, at the dealer this morning up here in cold ass northern Ohio...-8 this morning. Car did start this morning so I could get here at least. I guess the battery test they run takes about 45 min. I told them that I do not want the same 650 CCA battery put in it. They also have to check the in service date to find out if it could be covered under warranty. No matter because I have an extended warranty so.
I'll find out more here in the next hour...
Quote from: r1crusher on February 28, 2015, 09:01:06 AM
Well, at the dealer this morning up here in cold ass northern Ohio...-8 this morning. Car did start this morning so I could get here at least. I guess the battery test they run takes about 45 min. I told them that I do not want the same 650 CCA battery put in it. They also have to check the in service date to find out if it could be covered under warranty. No matter because I have an extended warranty so.
I'll find out more here in the next hour...
If its covered under warranty and both batteries being almost evenly priced why not just pay the marginal difference if it may be and just get the 850 cc.
Hopefully the dealer sees it the same way. It's like doing the timing chain, and you look at the belts and see they need to be replaced. Because the timing chain is under warranty, you are paying the deductible, and thinking, ok they have to take the belts off anyway right? I'll pay the price of the new belts to have those put on instead. Dealer won't do it, and you are like, wtf? They want to charge the labor + parts even though the needed labor has already been done for the warranty work.
Quote from: SHOdded on February 28, 2015, 02:06:41 PM
Hopefully the dealer sees it the same way. It's like doing the timing chain, and you look at the belts and see they need to be replaced. Because the timing chain is under warranty, you are paying the deductible, and thinking, ok they have to take the belts off anyway right? I'll pay the price of the new belts to have those put on instead. Dealer won't do it, and you are like, wtf? They want to charge the labor + parts even though the needed labor has already been done for the warranty work.
Dealer would lose that battle with me..if common sense didn't prevail heads would roll and I would be the reason someone at ford would have to tell their spouse they had a bad day...but it would've been self inflicted so I would sleep well
Well the good news was that the battery was bad and covered under the warranty. But the bad news is they cannot upgrade me to a better battery and let me pay the difference. Warranty will only replace what was installed as built and that's it...period. So out came my debit card to pay for an 850CCA new battery at $130+ installed. Now I get a 36 mo. warranty free towing if it dies blah blah blah. That's nice but I have AAA so thanks. :/
Here's to hoping this thing lasts like a battery should.
Hope the 850 recommendation works out for you!!! Pretty annoying to have a thing like this nip at your heels all the time ...
Best of luck with the new 850.had mine since last fall and so far really happy with it especially after hearing that its been the coldest Feb in 81 yrs!!
Thanks to those that recommended the 850. It's just crap to have to foot the entire cost for the new battery but I don't want to have to worry about it for a long time. Now to just deal with the up to 8" of snow coming this way.
My battery died on my limited after about 10months and tons of corrosion. Ford kept telling me it tested fine and that they wouldn't replace it. After it finally died they replaced it with the exact same one. Now on my Sport I was having issues as well so I just went and purchased a Diehard Platinum group 65 battery with 930cca and it's been great so far, but $250 and 60lbs later.
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Finally after several more trips back and fourth to the dealer. I am not issue free. Time to enjoy the car again!!!!
I did take the advice of a few of you and I check the ECU Stragety code and sure enough the dealer did change it, along with ECU SW Part ID. Both of those new codes have been sent to Livernois for updated tunes.
Hoping I get something back today from them so I can enjoy my ride once again!
Back to living the dream :) Come on, LME!
Man I suyre missed this side of the SHO.
Had some good weather this weekend in the CHi..SO I washed up the SHO, finally installed some new .30 gapped plugs and re-installed the 3Bar and loaded the tune provided by Anthony on Saturday (which was a surprise).
Car feels great....it truely is a different car when tuned. Much more fun to drive.
Did try a 0-60 run this morning.... 4.4 sec's....Not to bad...Stock best was 5.3. I still think there is a little bit more left to shave off....I'm hopeing I can get a 4.2 or 4.1......Now that would be awesome!
Have a good day fella's.....
Oh yeah, THANKS ANTHONY AND LIVERNOIS......STILL VERY SATISFIED WITH YOUR PRODUCT! :bravo:
Great to hear you finally got your issues finally resolved at the dealer and were able to install your tune back,not for nothing but Anthony,Jaimie and the whole crew over at LME are really cool guys and have been accustomed to there fine service for quite sometime know,another note if you have sometime in the spring,take her to the track and see what kind of ET you come up with,instead of relying on on torque pro which can be always off by a little,good luck.Z.
Vroom Vroom!
Quote from: SHOdded on March 16, 2015, 09:36:31 AM
Vroom Vroom!
-MANU reminds me of the Mazda commercial,LOL.
LOL ... can't even hear the VV in the SHO ;)
Oh yeah, once Great Lakes opens up, I'll be there.
Last time I was there, before the 3BAR, I ran a 13.1 at 115 MPH.
Hoping to break into the 12's easily I hope.
Remember that awesome 850cc new replacement battery I put in a while ago....well....it died yesterday.
Noticed that it cranked kind of slow remote starting it yesterday morning. Went to dentist, stopped at the Election Board and to see a new client. It started back up all those time but I noticed on the last stop that my seat and steering wheel didn't return to my preset positions. Hhhhmmm...odd. No warning lights at all...nothing.
Drove home, parked it for a few hours and went to leave. Dead. Son of biscuit.
Got it jumped this morning and drove to the closest Ford dealership. I was out of the 36 mo. full replacement so I was on the 100 mo. prorated portion. 56 months in and it was confirmed bad. I was then told that the replacement would be full price if I wanted the full 36 mo. replacement or I could get a new battery prorated but the warranty would only cover the remainder of the first batteries time...44 months. I took the latter option since I figured in 4 years I won't have the car anyway. Still cost me $160 because it takes an hour and half to install batteries now.... ???
Probably could have gotten more time our of an Optima instead give what I had to pay for the first one plus this new one.
Sorry to hear about your experience with it, makes me glad I decided to go with an AGM for that price with a 3 year free replacement warranty
Personally I do not think Optimas are any better these days. They used to have 7 year warranties, remember?
Almost 5 years - seems to me the MC battery did pretty good, would have been nice to get the 7 years out of it for sure tho. Odyssey has a 4 year full warranty at nearly 1.5x the price, so ...
That install time is a pure ripoff. Advance Auto or Autozone will have you in and out in 10 minutes or less.