Please someone figure out a way to disable this crap... Can we just buy the switch and wiring harness.. and plug them into our cars?
Quote from: panther427 on January 04, 2014, 07:31:07 PM
Please someone figure out a way to disable this crap... Can we just buy the switch and wiring harness.. and plug them into our cars?
Here is how the 2013 Taurus Owners Guide, 3rd Printing, December 2012 USA says to turn them off. ..or you can just reduce the action of the system by entering sport mode.
The images below are from pages 215, 216, and the last is page 213.
This may not apply to all SHOs... but this is the manual that comes with a 2013 model. The first two refer to "Advanced Trac" which is the stability control. The last refers to the traction control.
Hope this helps. You can left click on the images to enlarge them.
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Again, hope this helps my friend. As noted in the manual there are some practical reasons to disable the traction control.
I dont have the PP. So all i can do is disable the T/C in the menu on the dash in the 2013 car. I really wanna try plugging the button in and wiring and see if it would turn of ESC.. S/C or what ever they wanna call it Advanced trac is it... So many names for the same thing it just silly. ... Anyways i did look in the owners manual and found that page but as i dont have a PP car there is no button to push in my center consol area.. But thank you for the help... :)
So the second option in the list, the one not listed as only for the PP didn't work?... Educate me please.
Quote from: BiGMaC on January 04, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
So the second option in the list, the one not listed as only for the PP didn't work?... Educate me please.
I can turn the Traction Control off.. But i cannot get the Advanced Trac..
I have no Advance trac button... :(
Did i miss something in the manual there??
But i did learn that if i drive in reverse its not engaged.. So i shall be driving backwards from now on.
I have some high power reverse light s to help you out ::) ..... I'll have to do some research. There are several threads about the "grannies" here.
Usually most companys try to save money. So i would think one computer for the SHO.. and the difference for Advance trac would just be the addition of the leads and the switch when someone buys the PP pack... Sounds cheaper and easier for an assembly line to me anyways.
Quote from: panther427 on January 04, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
Usually most companys try to save money. So i would think one computer for the SHO.. and the difference for Advance trac would just be the addition of the leads and the switch when someone buys the PP pack... Sounds cheaper and easier for an assembly line to me anyways.
That's sure possible. but it could just be the factory flash of the control unit (Sync/MFT) and dealers can't change this type of "option related" instruction with a flash... For example, at least in the Ford trucks, the nav can't be activated in a non-nav truck even though the hardware is in... the cost saving was in consistent physical construction in this case. We went through this with my wife's truck.
I don't think there is any extra wiring to buy. I just had that part out on my car and the connector on the back spans the whole width of where the extra button would be. So just buy the part with the button in it and let us know what happens :)
Any tricks to gettin the part out
Quote from: panther427 on January 05, 2014, 11:45:32 AM
Any tricks to gettin the part out
..And dalum, maybe pics from the service manual since you just had all this out? :please:
Call me ignorant, but I have no idea where the Advancetrac button is located.
Well on the 2013 and up cars it would but under front flap of the center console just under the stereo/ HVAC controls. Its located in the spot where the Auto Park and rear sunshade buttons are.
Quote from: panther427 on January 05, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
Well on the 2013 and up cars it would but under front flap of the center console just under the stereo/ HVAC controls. Its located in the spot where the Auto Park and rear sunshade buttons are.
I have an early (9/12) 2013 SHO, non-PP.... The "button" where the "AdvancedTrac" button would be is an immoveable blank. :icon_cry:
I'm really interested in whether the wiring is there to just install a button even if it means replacing that pocket portion of the center stack to get the physical button... see the pic below. I plan to discuss it with the service manager in a couple of week when I go to my dealership for routine service.
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Well here is a pic
Lift up center console and gently pry up on the side trim to gain access to bolts holding. That piece in.
I have a non-PP 2013 SHO and am curious about this as well. Seems silly not to have the button if the wiring is present. My question is would the car's brain recognize the button even if the wiring and plug is present? When I was considering putting heated mirrors in my 2013 Focus ST I did some research and read posts of guys removing the mirrors to find the wiring and plugs present, they installed the new heated mirror glass and plugged everything in only to find the option not "active". Supposedly the dealer could have activated the heated mirror option in the car's brain, but I never heard of anyone successfully doing this. I wonder if the traction control button would be similar in our SHOs? Hope not.
Quote from: SHO MAN on January 06, 2014, 09:56:06 PM
I have a non-PP 2013 SHO and am curious about this as well. Seems silly not to have the button if the wiring is present. My question is would the car's brain recognize the button even if the wiring and plug is present? When I was considering putting heated mirrors in my 2013 Focus ST I did some research and read posts of guys removing the mirrors to find the wiring and plugs present, they installed the new heated mirror glass and plugged everything in only to find the option not "active". Supposedly the dealer could have activated the heated mirror option in the car's brain, but I never heard of anyone successfully doing this. I wonder if the traction control button would be similar in our SHOs? Hope not.
That could also be a matter of the fuse box. Normally you'll notice 2 posts for each fuse when you look down inside where the fuse actually sits, as there are 2 prongs. It might have the wiring complete up to the box which would show one post of the fuse holder, though there would be a break between the power terminal which you'll see by a missing terminal. That is why you might see "empty" spots inside your fuse box as if it were missing a fuse, though usually it's an option not wired up.
I figured this out for the 2013 non pp sho a while back but I couldn't get anyone in my area to try it. Have to asdd the button, add a wire from the button to the instrument cluster and then change as built data.
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What wire do you add to the dash.... The dealer is still only ones who can change build data???
I want to do this.
Jmr can change the build data.....
He has the power to do so!
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I'd have to pull the wire diagrams again but yes the wire doesn't exist in non PP SHOs and correct I am my own Ford IDS mechanic lol
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Its hard for me to imagine they would waste money on having 2 different harness for this. Are you sure the wire isn't already in the harness?
It doesn't exist.
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Quote from: jmr061 on February 22, 2014, 12:10:17 AM
I'd have to pull the wire diagrams again but yes the wire doesn't exist in non PP SHOs and correct I am my own Ford IDS mechanic lol
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Not sure what IDS is but are you familiar with PID's ?
If so , help on this Post would be MOST WELCOMED :
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2118.0;topicseen (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2118.0;topicseen)
Quote from: jmr061 on February 22, 2014, 01:20:06 AM
It doesn't exist.
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Is there a wire missing from the harness or a totally separate harness?
It's missing from the harness. I had someone verify it. They sent me pics. It's not there.
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Funny thing is all it does is provide a ground input to the instrument cluster. Pin 18 seems to ring a bell but I'll verify that in a bit
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Quote from: jmr061 on February 22, 2014, 01:32:14 AM
Funny thing is all it does is provide a ground input to the instrument cluster. Pin 18 seems to ring a bell but I'll verify that in a bit
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That could actually be useful for some hidden tweaks. If its just grounding you could use that button for practically anything. Is the button latching or momentary?
The button is momentary. It's actually got the circuit board inside. Just missing the "cover"
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It's a blue white 22 gauge wire going from pin 6 on the switch panel plug to pin 18 of the instrument panel cluster.
Check for yourself and see if your non PP SHO has it.
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Quote from: SwampRat on February 22, 2014, 01:23:41 AM
Quote from: jmr061 on February 22, 2014, 12:10:17 AM
I'd have to pull the wire diagrams again but yes the wire doesn't exist in non PP SHOs and correct I am my own Ford IDS mechanic lol
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Not sure what IDS is but are you familiar with PID's ?
If so , help on this Post would be MOST WELCOMED :
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2118.0;topicseen (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2118.0;topicseen)
Can't help you out with that. IDS is Ford software that the service departments use. It doesn't tell me what the PID id is for each parameter.
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So did anyone check their nonPP to see if the wire is there?
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Nope, I don't plan to have my dash apart again any time soon.
On a somewhat related note. Does anyone know if these cars have the ability to select steering feel like on the 13' mustangs? Not sure if there is anything as build data.
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What does the 13 mustang do?
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The Mustangs have different settings for the epas system... there are three settings, basically comfort-sport. Obviously gets more aggressive as you go up.
Yeah that won't happen with the SHO
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One can dream.... hah
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Can anyone confirm the work around works? and if so what block of the as build do you need to change?
It was DOA IIRC! Z
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html)
Quote from: ZSHO on November 27, 2018, 04:11:06 PM
It was DOA IIRC! Z
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html)
Should have made my question more clear I have a 15 non pp sho and want to add the ability to shut off the AdvanceTrac by adding the switch and wire to the IC and updating the asbuild data. Wanted to know if anyone had tried to do this and if it worked, and if it does what block of the asbuild do you need to change? Im currently compiling a list of asbuild data lines that are different between the pp and non pp versions but I don't know what they correspond to. Thanks
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Quote from: ZSHO on November 27, 2018, 04:11:06 PM
It was DOA IIRC! Z
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html)
Should have made my question more clear I have a 15 non pp sho and want to add the ability to shut off the AdvanceTrac by adding the switch and wire to the IC and updating the asbuild data. Wanted to know if anyone had tried to do this and if it worked, and if it does what block of the asbuild do you need to change? Im currently compiling a list of asbuild data lines that are different between the pp and non pp versions but I don't know what they correspond to. Thanks
I would try to contact Jason username is (JMR061)! He also has a new updated site & email @ jason@FLVPmods.com or http://www.flvpmods.com/ (http://www.flvpmods.com/) .Z
Success!!!
https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/non-pp-traction-control-button-add-on.138530/ (https://shoforum.com/index.php?threads/non-pp-traction-control-button-add-on.138530/)
YouTube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW1YygUFPieK0JLh2CilA7g/videos?sort=dd&shelf_id=0&view=0 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW1YygUFPieK0JLh2CilA7g/videos?sort=dd&shelf_id=0&view=0)
So reprogramming the IPC and changing the ABD File while you can put the cluster in engineering mode and find the Build data! AWesome indeed. Z
Sweet! Going to have to see if I can do this to my 13' Flex...
Quick overview of what seems to need to be done for this
Repin pin 18 at the instrument cluster
ABS 760-03-01 needs changed to "4001 AC"
IPC: Changed all from PP
Sounds right, good luck!
Normally I don't like commenting on things done with a certain software since I am a licensed IDS holder however I have to comment to keep people from screwing up their vehicles. You just don't take and rewrite the entire data within a module to gain one function and call it good. You have just taken away and given options to your vehicle making unintended changes and then will you be like where the heck did that go or I don't have that. Please narrow down the specific change needed.
I looked into this about 4 years ago but couldn't find anyone that actually wanted to do the wiring for the switch so I am glad someone took the initiative to finally do it. It also needs to be tested though. Just because it comes up now doesn't necessarily mean its operative. It could be further hardware and or software restricted. This is true with some other options.
Has it been tested and if so how? It may work as is but it does need to be tested.
I would love to hear that it actually does work.
Don't take what I have said the wrong way either...I applaud Kevlar_07 for doing this.
Absolutely right to point this out, thanks, Jason!
There is a chance it could be compromised corrupted!! Nothing added on is bulletproof. Z
Just ordered the switch gonna try this on my Flex
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I dont think Ford will pick up the tab if there was any issues to arise especially if you have warranty...
I would think twice before adding this feature similar to having a tune installed IMHO!
I am in NO way discrediting this Mod but simply advising precautionary measures which should always be welcomed. Z :)
Keep us posted for the Flex!!!
Confirmed this does work on the flex!
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Quote from: ChrisxEco on January 13, 2019, 01:44:50 PM
Confirmed this does work on the flex!
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Hell yeah! Now that I have my ST put back together I'll be doing this. If you don't mind, would you be able to post what you changed for the asbuilt?
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Quote from: ChrisxEco on January 13, 2019, 01:44:50 PM
Confirmed this does work on the flex!
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Hell yeah! Now that I have my ST put back together I'll be doing this. If you don't mind, would you be able to post what you changed for the asbuilt?
Same as the YouTube video. Once I have more time I'm going to try a couple different PP Sho's asbuilt data because I get a message that my collision warning has been disabled, other then that works just as it should disabling TC and advance trac
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Quote from: jmr061 on December 24, 2018, 01:23:28 AM
Normally I don't like commenting on things done with a certain software since I am a licensed IDS holder however I have to comment to keep people from screwing up their vehicles. You just don't take and rewrite the entire data within a module to gain one function and call it good. You have just taken away and given options to your vehicle making unintended changes and then will you be like where the heck did that go or I don't have that. Please narrow down the specific change needed.
I looked into this about 4 years ago but couldn't find anyone that actually wanted to do the wiring for the switch so I am glad someone took the initiative to finally do it. It also needs to be tested though. Just because it comes up now doesn't necessarily mean its operative. It could be further hardware and or software restricted. This is true with some other options.
Has it been tested and if so how? It may work as is but it does need to be tested.
I would love to hear that it actually does work.
Don't take what I have said the wrong way either...I applaud Kevlar_07 for doing this.
I did lots of research and found a performance pack car that had the same options as mine then compared the needed data lines to see what needed to be changed, I have the same functionality as I had before the programming just the added function of the switch being in the center console instead of the IPC. I can confirm that it does in fact function as anticipated allowing the car to slide and drift when disabled and the advance track still kicks in like before with traction/advance track enabled. As with any other modification you do to your vehicle you assume the risk, I have been walking some one through this process with his 13 and for some reason he doesn't have the sport mode option.
so programing on my car I needed to change line IPC 720-01-03 and line ABS 760-01-03
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Quote from: nickstewartroc on January 13, 2019, 08:45:39 PM
Quote from: ChrisxEco on January 13, 2019, 01:44:50 PM
Confirmed this does work on the flex!
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Hell yeah! Now that I have my ST put back together I'll be doing this. If you don't mind, would you be able to post what you changed for the asbuilt?
Same as the YouTube video. Once I have more time I'm going to try a couple different PP Sho's asbuilt data because I get a message that my collision warning has been disabled, other then that works just as it should disabling TC and advance trac
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To my knowledge the adaptive cruise and the PP data will not play together because you couldn't get the performance pack car with adaptive cruise I assume they use the same lines of data to store the data needed to run each system if that makes sense. let us know if you get it worked out.
Space was a limiting factor on the decision to not include adaptive cruise with the perf pkg from factory. Luckily, people figured out how to add perf pkg enhancements to their non-perf pkg vehicles equipped with adaptive cruise. Adding adaptive cruise would be a heck of an achievement tho.
Got the pin run today to the IPC, and messed with the programming a little bit.
Changed the IPC 720-01-03 to that of a PP SHO
Then changed the ABS. I got the same warning of the collision detection as others had, so I tried a couple of modifications to the the ABS 760-01-03 address. The stock on my Flex was 0601, the value for the PP seemed to be 4001. The first 4 allows you to actually use the button to change the modes, as I tried changing it from 0601 to 4601 and the modes became available. However, even with the modes enabled, it still was throwing the traction control on. Next I moved to the 6. If you change it to 0, the modes seem to work as designed, however collision detection is disabled. If I set it at 2 however, I don't get the alert that collision detection is disabled and the modes seem to work as designed.
Just my findings on the matter, and anyone following should understand the risks of modifying this data.
On a 2013 Lincoln MKS, I can confirm that editing the data to that of a SHO PP allows you to add a button to disable AdvanceTrac. I just drilled a hole on the steering column shroud and put a button from Amazon through it.
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