I guess my time has come...
2014 SHO, non PP, 26K miles,
PTU oil was changed 1000 miles ago, was nasty stinky...
I was pulling out of the garage this morning to go to work, nice and easy, car still warming up, started to rolling down the street, 10 mi/h, all of a sudden I head grinding noise, WOW, really, just like that,
I know exactly what it was, I was only 1/4mi away from home, I turned around, slowly went back home, noise was on and off,
Pulled in to garage, got my wife's dodge Durango and went to work.
Going to go see dealer at lunch, it's right down the street, see what they say about warranty, i am under millage but right at the 5 year about now, I have very little faith at the dealer, so I started researching part number for replacement PTU and will be calling some shops also, right after dealer visit.
I guess I need PTU part number: DG1Z-7251-F, correct?
Wish me luck :)
Funny thing I am not mad at all, or upset, after I changed that stinky oil in PTU month ago, I had this thing on my heart that this thing is matter of time, and I was hoping it happens nice and easy and I don't get trany ripped on freeway going WOT, well God heard me!
I will keep you updated.
That's nuts! 26k? It really shouldn't be inevitable....its only inevitable if you follow the original recommended service interval...NEVER.
Yes Sir, 26K.
Update, went to dealer, I am pass warranty by few months, here is my dealer cost:
$850 for PTU and $800 for labor, what you think?
They told me if I can bring part in they can install it, cheapest one I found was for $670 plus shipping, by then it's about almost what dealer charges me
I probably going to go with it.
What you guys think?
Quote from: 802SHO on November 19, 2019, 12:33:24 PM
That's nuts! 26k? It really shouldn't be inevitable....its only inevitable if you follow the original recommended service interval...NEVER.
correct me if i am wrong, (might be my 2010 sho knowledge) but i do not think there is a Ford service schedule for the PTU, just a replacement schedule ..
802 was sarcastic, LOL, but Ford should of had schedule maintenance on them or at list life time free replacement coverage when they fail.
The minute Ford acknowledges that PTU was the design fail, they will be out millions, replacing them left and right, class action lawsuits from who ever replaced them in last 7 years, big money out
So they keep is hush as good as they can for as long as they can
Anyway
Sorry to hear, Pete! Any competent shop can R&R the PTU, you can save 400$ in labor that way. The part itself you can get $100-200 cheaper off eBay.
Sucks it went with such lo miles on it.
I searched e-bay and there is nothing under that part number that is cheap, unless I am off on the part number,
DG1Z-7251-F
check with wrecking yards directly. the bigger the better .. A few PTUs and RDU's have been sourced for about 60% cost that way by members here..
There are some used PTU's out there cheap, but I don't think I want to get in to used, absolutely not, my 26K mile one just went out, I would not trust used one at this point. Saving few hundred can cost me extra thousand later :)
Thanks for trying, if anyone can point to new unit for around $600, that would be nice.
Thanks
Scheduled appointment with the dealer, Next Tuesday she is going in and should be done by the end of the day.
I asked them to crack PTU open so I can look at the damage, will share pictures..
They are there on eBay. Look for new and search by lowest price.
Seems cheaper to go straight to an online Ford dealer and have them ship one to you. I am getting a price of $750 or so from Levittown Ford, for example. Tascaparts.com might be a bit cheaper. IDK what their coupon code is right now, maybe NOV5, but not sure.
Agreed with Tropher sho ^^ Ford does not repair the (PTU) POWER TAKEOFF ASSY and only replaces them AFAIK! Z
Power Take Off Assy - Ford Part No.: DG1Z-7251-D Replaced By DG1Z-7251-F
Base No. 7251
$747.26
https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-power-take-off-asy_dg1z-7251-d.html?Vin=1FAHP2KT5DG183206&Filter=()&Location=transfer-drive-case,,7251 (https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-power-take-off-asy_dg1z-7251-d.html?Vin=1FAHP2KT5DG183206&Filter=()&Location=transfer-drive-case,,7251)
Power Take Off Assy
Part #: 7251
Usage: 07/16/2012 - 01/17/2016, Taurus, LHD 4WD (FTD), SHO, SHO Package
Usage: 07/16/2012 - 01/17/2016, Taurus, LHD 4WD (FTD), SHO, SHO Package 1
Section: Transfer Drive Case
In Stock
Your Price: $939.55
MSRP: $939.55
Core Charge: $50.00
https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/electrical/other-electrical-related-parts/power-take-off-assy-7866327-1 (https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/electrical/other-electrical-related-parts/power-take-off-assy-7866327-1)
There are two types of PTU's. Those that have gone to hell and those that are about to I guess. I serviced my PTU shortly after getting my 2012 SHO at around 45,000 miles. I did my wife's on her 2014 SEL at around the same mileage too. Mine is now at 91,000 miles and hers is at 111,000 miles. I can't believe they are both still in service after the tar like paste I took out of them. I had to add fluid just to be able to suck the crap out of them for the first time. I pretty much service them at every oil change since the initial service. Suck out what I can and add fresh Amsoil. It's nasty crap every time. Hers has leaked off and on (blowing it out the seals because the congealed lube plugs the vent) and then it will be fine for a few thousand miles without dripping a single drop. The last time the vent plugged it puked half of the 18 ounces out going down the road. I added 10 or so ounces, sent her on her way and told her to keep the tow truck on speed dial and the checkbook nearby. I have serviced it once since then also so over 5,000 or so miles since then. I can't believe it still functions. I'm doing what I can to get every mile I can out of them. If I hadn't I'm sure both of mine would have been in the scrap pile by 50,000-60,000 miles. Complete horse s*** design. How the hell do the PI cars that are operating in Texas or Arizona where the cars are idling all the time getting heat soaked by the two cats ever even make it through the first 1,000 miles on there PTU's?
Oh, and they both have had their water pumps go to hell too. I caught them both before they put any coolant into the oil thankfully. Hers is in the shop as I type and mine is still sitting in the garage. Hers is going to be around $1,500 for a water pump that's under $100. I started tearing mine down this spring but then fubared my hand in a brilliant tire changing incident and had to have hand surgery and was out of work. So, all the time in the world to do it but only one good (left) hand. I don't want to do it from the top anymore the more I read about doing it. The best way to do it is to drop the whole works from the car when it's on a hoist.
Good story Silverer,
I bought car with 24K on it, changed PTU oil at 25K, broke down at 26K, LOL Figure that...
Anyway, once new one in, I will be changing oil every other oil change, every 10K and look forward for water pump, LOL
Quote from: SuperPete on November 19, 2019, 03:17:36 PM
There are some used PTU's out there cheap, but I don't think I want to get in to used, absolutely not, my 26K mile one just went out, I would not trust used one at this point. Saving few hundred can cost me extra thousand later :)
Thanks for trying, if anyone can point to new unit for around $600, that would be nice.
Thanks
100% agree, a used one can grenade at any point in time where a new one gives you a tiny piece...miniscule piece of mind.
FWIW- For a peace of mind Check for any such water damage..It could of been submerged in water unfortunately! Where was the vehicle purchased/located! Best of luck. Z
Once replaced get that motorcraft gear oil out. Amazing how fast it degrades. Changed mine 100 miles after my new PTU was installed and had signs of the oil fading at that point. Heavy black sludge specs forming.
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Quote from: Csbbrah on November 19, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
Once replaced get that motorcraft gear oil out. Amazing how fast it degrades. Changed mine 100 miles after my new PTU was installed and had signs of the oil fading at that point. Heavy black sludge specs forming.
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Good point, Thank you,
Is there a brake-in for the new PTU?
Quote from: SuperPete on November 20, 2019, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: Csbbrah on November 19, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
Once replaced get that motorcraft gear oil out. Amazing how fast it degrades. Changed mine 100 miles after my new PTU was installed and had signs of the oil fading at that point. Heavy black sludge specs forming.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191120/03ebd5f6fb56126d2640ddaa6a6abe44.jpg)
Good point, Thank you,
Is there a brake-in for the new PTU?
I dont believe so. Just note when you change that fluid you are going to have metal shavings on the plug, totally normal and expected.
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What redline do I need,
First or second
FIRST: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HKN6S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HKN6S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1)
SECOND: https://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-58404-Lightweight-Shockproof/dp/B000CPI5YG/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=redline+shockproof&qid=1574538417&s=automotive&sr=1-8 (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-58404-Lightweight-Shockproof/dp/B000CPI5YG/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=redline+shockproof&qid=1574538417&s=automotive&sr=1-8)
Quote from: SuperPete on November 23, 2019, 02:48:45 PM
What redline do I need,
First or second
FIRST: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HKN6S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HKN6S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1)
SECOND: https://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-58404-Lightweight-Shockproof/dp/B000CPI5YG/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=redline+shockproof&qid=1574538417&s=automotive&sr=1-8 (https://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-58404-Lightweight-Shockproof/dp/B000CPI5YG/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=redline+shockproof&qid=1574538417&s=automotive&sr=1-8)
Second. Lightweight shockproof.
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Quick update.
Car is at the dealer 8AM this morning,
Soo, hoping tomorrow to get my car back before holidays kick in and and PTU in the trunk.
and I really hoping that PTU is actual source of that noice, who knows maybe its transmission, never know, I am pretty sure it's PTU but there is always that chance..
Back to you tomorrow with more updates, fingers crossed :)
Good luck!
Car is home, PTU replaced and it drives nice,
Old PTU in the garage, I will crack it open tonight or tomorrow, will post pictures here.
LOL Funny story of small world, when I was picking up car from the shop I started talking to a tech and he told me he has SHO also, come to find out he is the guy on the red SHO I keep seeing on the road passing me and I posted here: https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10209.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10209.0.html)
Small world, LOL
Good stuff, I am happy to get my car back again
Awesome sauce, glad it all ended well :D
Bearing was in phases, see pictures, and boy it smells nasty, garage now is rotten...
Wow! I feel lucky, my cruiser has 164K and have had no problems with PTU. I don't know if it was ever replaced when in service, but I have put over 32K on it and serviced the PTU once. I'd better do it again!
Greg
Quote from: SuperPete on November 27, 2019, 08:09:10 PM
Bearing was in phases, see pictures, and boy it smells nasty, garage now is rotten...
You never quite get over that smell, and if you
bag that thing in plastic bags, it will go away eventually...!
SOO after some thought, i believe the problem started with the ford vent valve
(getting clogged up, then over pressurizing and blowing the hose off) and in turn loosing
a fair amount of the Fluid (and resulting in premature failure) MY OPINION for what its worth.
I recommend that when you do a PTU fluid replacement:
that you check AND or REPLACE the vent valve (from ford) with something like the attached
Wonder if my pigtail will work as well...