I'm thinking about doing a group buy on hot pipes for the SHO/Flex. In order to get the pricing down I need to order 20 sets at once. I would be able to knock off about $200 off of the price of the pipes. Just curious who would be interested at $430 + options?
Here's the link to the parts: http://www.ecopowerparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=22 (http://www.ecopowerparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=22)
I'd be in, been looking at getting a set for a while now...
Might be interested at that price. How hard are these to do? Do you need a lift?
Quote from: ecoboostsho on August 22, 2015, 05:05:28 PM
Might be interested at that price. How hard are these to do? Do you need a lift?
The price is $430 + options - click on the link to review what options you would want.
No lift needed. No body parts to remove. Mike's kit is very complete. I love both the appearance and have no issues after 18 months. Here is the install "how to" on my SHO:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2248.msg32460.html#msg32460 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2248.msg32460.html#msg32460)
You won't be unhappy whether you go to a TIAL BOV or continue to use OEM BOVs.
Mike... Since you will be manufacturing anyway... Can I get an estimate on a "noise maker eliminator" IC to TB pipe with black ceramic and 2 bungs for meth injectors please. I will get the size of the threading/bung to you pending. (Getting ready for meth)
Count me in on this...
Quote from: BiGMaC on August 22, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
No lift needed. No body parts to remove. Mike's kit is very complete. I love both the appearance and have no issues after 18 months. Here is the install "how to" on my SHO:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2248.msg32460.html#msg32460 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2248.msg32460.html#msg32460)
You won't be unhappy whether you go to a TIAL BOV or continue to use OEM BOVs.
Mike... Since you will be manufacturing anyway... Can I get an estimate on a "noise maker eliminator" IC to TB pipe with black ceramic and 2 bungs for meth injectors please. I will get the size of the threading/bung to you pending. (Getting ready for meth)
Sure, I'll check on it on Monday - one on each side spraying into each other or in series underneath?
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on August 23, 2015, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on August 22, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
No lift needed. No body parts to remove. Mike's kit is very complete. I love both the appearance and have no issues after 18 months. Here is the install "how to" on my SHO:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2248.msg32460.html#msg32460 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2248.msg32460.html#msg32460)
You won't be unhappy whether you go to a TIAL BOV or continue to use OEM BOVs.
Mike... Since you will be manufacturing anyway... Can I get an estimate on a "noise maker eliminator" IC to TB pipe with black ceramic and 2 bungs for meth injectors please. I will get the size of the threading/bung to you pending. (Getting ready for meth)
Sure, I'll check on it on Monday - one on each side spraying into each other or in series underneath?
Thanks!
...As far as location I'm seeking opinions... For vaporization I'd think in series from the bottom. What do you think. I will probably start with one 12 to 15 nozzle and would plug the second pending performance evaluation. Just a price with 2 bungs for now... I may PM bpd if he doesn't chime in. I believe he is running two #15 meth injectors now.
Count me in on group buy.
I would be interested in this. Please let me know as the number gets closer to the required amount of people needed to make this happen. Thanks for all of your time and effort
I'm having my OEM plastic inspected Tuesday. Any cracks/splits will be all the excuse I need to join the group.
Quote from: Larrylu on August 23, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
I'm having my OEM plastic inspected Tuesday. Any cracks/splits will be all the excuse I need to join the group.
Make sure they look for any build up around the connections...the tear in my pipe was pretty big and you couldn't see it until i actually pressed on it.
Rich
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That's what it looks like from underneath, nice and close...the pipe (hose?) going to the CAC is removed. The tear, which is along the edge you can see in pic, still not visible...the build up of oily residue is the give away.
Rich
Thanks Rich. I'll show these pics to the tech who will be checking for me.
I'd be interested.
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I'm very interested
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Would be if you had Explorer
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Another interested customer!
Looks like we have about 9 people so far... Sweet!
I have enough and have started the process.
Basically I have to have 1 set made then shipped to another supplier who can mass produce less expensively but will take some time.
If you guys will hang with me I'll get it all handled, I needed to verify that the market was there based off of the price point.
Still need one more? if so I can make it work.
Going to be awhile before I get to the next step, I'm going to update as I move forward.
If it's not too late, I'm in too.
I would be interested in going in on this with you guys as well.
I'm opting out... I was able to buy the set that fracaSHO had in the For Sale section.
Thanks Brad!
I'd be in too when needed. PM me cuz I'm not on all the time. Ty.
Step one is complete, the charge pipes are done for me to get mass produced, next is to ship them off and get quoted on pricing and timelines.
Stay tuned!
I'm interested in a set. ..
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Forgive my ignorance, but exactly what will Hot Pipes gain? If I remember reading, they are an upgrade to use after a leak is discovered? Eye candy? Any performance gains come from them? Do they make any other mod more feasible or practical?
Again, Im just asking. NOT knocking anyones decision to purchase, just want to understand their use.
They are on the pressure side of the turbo. If you see your stock hot pipes durning boost its pretty comical. They literally blow up like balloons. The upgraded ones prevent this and future tears/ issues.
If your running upgraded turbos the are a necessity.
Eye candy is just a plus.
The other issue with retaining OEM piping, is that from a tuning perspective (doesn't matter which vendor one elects to use) the expansion of the piping side under boost, as mentioned by Glock, is that those expansions provide "challenges" let's say, to the tuners, due to varying boost conditions in relation to the contracting / expanding of the OEM piping.
By utilizing the hard pipes, this eliminates those challenges, provides a better platform to your chosen tuner, to make use of consistent, reliable, controlled boost conditions.
The prevention of split OEM piping is also another plus, as is the "eye candy" factor.
One detriment however though is heat soak, which is customarily not mentioned.
But as is the case with any given mod, there are +'s and -'s, so you have to choose what's best in your opinion, for your ride, as it fits into the overall mod equation.
Oh yea, and the "oh wow" eye candy factor? Over the top IMHO......
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My eyes just had a sugar rush!!!
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LOL, ok you gave me a toothache with those. This becomes more of a reliability upgrade then.
I am strapped for cash. I may try to join the next group buy.
Quote from: bpd1151 on October 20, 2015, 07:15:13 AM
The other issue with retaining OEM piping, is that from a tuning perspective (doesn't matter which vendor one elects to use) the expansion of the piping side under boost, as mentioned by Glock, is that those expansions provide "challenges" let's say, to the tuners, due to varying boost conditions in relation to the contracting / expanding of the OEM piping.
By utilizing the hard pipes, this eliminates those challenges, provides a better platform to your chosen tuner, to make use of consistent, reliable, controlled boost conditions.
The prevention of split OEM piping is also another plus, as is the "eye candy" factor.
One detriment however though is heat soak, which is customarily not mentioned.
But as is the case with any given mod, there are +'s and -'s, so you have to choose what's best in your opinion, for your ride, as it fits into the overall mod equation.
Oh yea, and the "oh wow" eye candy factor? Over the top IMHO......
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee231/bpd1151/SHO%20custom%201%20off%20misc%20stuff/EngineBay_zps05d27089.jpg) (http://s229.photobucket.com/user/bpd1151/media/SHO%20custom%201%20off%20misc%20stuff/EngineBay_zps05d27089.jpg.html)
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I wish copies of your intake were available for folks to buy...
Your car looks fabulous!
Pipes are done and being shipped for quoting next week. I'll keep everyone updated.
Can you install pre compressor bungs for meth?
If so... I am in.
These don't go to the inlets, these are outlet of the turbo to the TB.
Thought they were for both.... my mistake.
These pipes are more tempting as I slowly approach the end of the stock warranty, hmmm...
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on October 23, 2015, 05:02:04 PM
Pipes are done and being shipped for quoting next week. I'll keep everyone updated.
awesome - hit me up! = )
I see on the site it says it will be open for two weeks, will it be open till the 15th?
OK guys I was able to get everything handled and get pretty dang close to where I said:
$450 for hot pipes with all the hoses and connectors
Add $100 for stock BoV (manufacturing pricing went up on me on these) or add $260 for Tial BoV
You can also order without a BoV and have a local shop weld on whatever BoV you want to use for your set.
Add $35.00 for coating
Right now you'll pay $695 for stock BoV pipes or $895 for Tial BoV
That's $185 off of current pricing.
Currently we're looking around 6 weeks from order start to finish, after that around 1 week as I'll have them in stock.
I've updated the pricing and it's available to order now!
http://www.ecopowerparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=22:faccfc765b5b911093e954f3e462d35b (http://www.ecopowerparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=22:faccfc765b5b911093e954f3e462d35b)
Quote from: nickstewartroc on October 30, 2015, 05:14:47 PM
I see on the site it says it will be open for two weeks, will it be open till the 15th?
Last day to order on special pricing will be Nov 20th.
Awesome! Will def be ordering mine the 15th
Very interesting. Any input on how effective the thermal coating is on intake air temps?
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Quote from: 66 Galaxie on October 31, 2015, 11:32:03 AM
Very interesting. Any input on how effective the thermal coating is on intake air temps?
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I was asked to offer it but I honestly don't think it makes a difference
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Should help prevent heatsoak, no?
I would think post intercooler it would help with heat soak but between turbos and intercooler the charged air is hot enough vs under hood temp that it might not matter.
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I don't want to take a stand I can't prove but if someone wants it we can do it. :)
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No worries and thanks for the clean answers. Just me being curious and not meaning to open up a debate as I consider picking up a set and if so with what options.
Thanks for offering a great upgrade at a good price!
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Quote from: 66 Galaxie on October 31, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
I would think post intercooler it would help with heat soak but between turbos and intercooler the charged air is hot enough vs under hood temp that it might not matter.
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Heat moves to relatively cool places.... It all matters.... Question is how much?
Ordered... woot!
Order received! I'll get the clamps and hoses headed your way tomorrow
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Ordered. Going to be a good Winter upgrades.
Quote from: TimmyATL on November 10, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
Ordered. Going to be a good Winter upgrades.
Order received, I'll order your silicone parts and t clamps and get them coming.
Got my clamps and hoses. Everything still looking good for the time frame on the pipes. Also just wondering how many people took advantage of this offer.
Quote from: TimmyATL on November 24, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
Got my clamps and hoses. Everything still looking good for the time frame on the pipes. Also just wondering how many people took advantage of this offer.
Yes we're in track for just before or right after the holidays.
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Just FYI everyone, pipes will be done soon and then once they get back to me I have to get the BoV welded on and then everything coated and shipped out.
I've let the pricing stay but it will be going back up after the next 5 sets are purchased.
Thanks!
Mike
Just wondering on the progress of the pipes.
Quote from: TimmyATL on December 20, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Just wondering on the progress of the pipes.
I am told the pipes will be shipped Dec 29th to me, I will get the BoV mounts welded on then powdercoated as quickly as possible. Unfortunately there's about 3 weeks of holidays during this hold deal that has massively delayed the pipe bender I'm working with.
Everything should ship by the 15th as of right now, hopefully earlier but 15th would be the latest I can forsee.
I am wondering if there is enough space/adjustment with the pipe/silicone connectors from the intercooler to the throttle body to install a spacer plate behind the throttle body for my Methanol nozzle. Most of the ones I see are about 19mm thick. Just food for thought, don't want to drill my new pipe if I don't half to.
TimmyATL best of my knowledge it looks like there might be some flexibility in adding the spacer as you mentioned above,personally added a 3" HPS 3"long coupler and 4"hose by the CAC,pic's below,BTW would confirm with Mike.B from EPP because he surely is da man. Z
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on December 20, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: TimmyATL on December 20, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Just wondering on the progress of the pipes.
I am told the pipes will be shipped Dec 29th to me, I will get the BoV mounts welded on then powdercoated as quickly as possible. Unfortunately there's about 3 weeks of holidays during this hold deal that has massively delayed the pipe bender I'm working with.
Everything should ship by the 15th as of right now, hopefully earlier but 15th would be the latest I can forsee.
Any update on if shipped to you on 29th as planned, and on track per latest post? Thx!
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Quote from: EcoPowerParts on December 20, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: TimmyATL on December 20, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Just wondering on the progress of the pipes.
I am told the pipes will be shipped Dec 29th to me, I will get the BoV mounts welded on then powdercoated as quickly as possible. Unfortunately there's about 3 weeks of holidays during this hold deal that has massively delayed the pipe bender I'm working with.
Everything should ship by the 15th as of right now, hopefully earlier but 15th would be the latest I can forsee.
Any update on if shipped to you on 29th as planned, and on track per latest post? Thx!
They did not but will ship Tuesday per the supplier, I can still make the 15th deadline easily.
Thanks for the update. I can only speak for myself but I am not in a major rush . Just want it done right.
Pipes are shipping today from California to AZ, I can get the BoV welded on within the next 7 days and then coated. Still on track for a 15th shipment day.
What do you think is the MTF for the silicon connectors?
Not a direct answer to the MTBF question, but:
http://www.turbohoses.com/FAQ.htm (http://www.turbohoses.com/FAQ.htm)
I have heard tell though that silicone hoses will last 2+x as long as rubber hoses, though.
Quote from: BiGMaC on January 04, 2016, 06:01:48 PM
What do you think is the MTF for the silicon connectors?
Hmm I don't know that but I would imagine many years :)
That being said the great thing is with the hot pipes it's as easy as replacing the hose instead of the whole pipe like factory pieces.
I am currently looking at making the IC to TB and front turbo to IC pipes into silicone entirely instead of metal and silicone. Much easier to install and it costs me the same as an a pipe, two hoses and 4 clamps for a silicone hose and 2 clamps.
Long term I'll be looking at replacing the front turbo to top pipe with silicone as well, leaving just the one metal pipe with the dual BoV adapters from rear turbo to middle pipe.
This will probably be another year in the making, nothing immediately.
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on January 04, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on January 04, 2016, 06:01:48 PM
What do you think is the MTF for the silicon connectors?
Hmm I don't know that but I would imagine many years :)
That being said the great thing is with the hot pipes it's as easy as replacing the hose instead of the whole pipe like factory pieces.
I am currently looking at making the IC to TB and front turbo to IC pipes into silicone entirely instead of metal and silicone. Much easier to install and it costs me the same as an a pipe, two hoses and 4 clamps for a silicone hose and 2 clamps.
Long term I'll be looking at replacing the front turbo to top pipe with silicone as well, leaving just the one metal pipe with the dual BoV adapters from rear turbo to middle pipe.
This will probably be another year in the making, nothing immediately.
Thanks Mike - is this discussion/modification around the problems with the soft parts of this hard pipes setup that "some" are talking about - the new rigid pipes are causing extra stress on the soft parts, and causing them to wear out prematurely in some cases? I've heard this around a little with regards to this mod we're doing, and wondering if the changes you're talking about making are to better guard against that going forward? What are your thoughts and experiences with this if you don't mind sharing and elaborating as far as what you know, and thank you very much for your input and continued efforts to get the most and the best out of this platform for us.
I've not had any wear issues that I'm aware of with the hot pipes we produce.
The soft parts on the factory pipes are rubber and on my car and others they developed tears causing boost leaks.
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Quote from: EcoPowerParts on January 04, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on January 04, 2016, 06:01:48 PM
What do you think is the MTF for the silicon connectors?
Hmm I don't know that but I would imagine many years :)
That being said the great thing is with the hot pipes it's as easy as replacing the hose instead of the whole pipe like factory pieces.
I am currently looking at making the IC to TB and front turbo to IC pipes into silicone entirely instead of metal and silicone. Much easier to install and it costs me the same as an a pipe, two hoses and 4 clamps for a silicone hose and 2 clamps.
Long term I'll be looking at replacing the front turbo to top pipe with silicone as well, leaving just the one metal pipe with the dual BoV adapters from rear turbo to middle pipe.
This will probably be another year in the making, nothing immediately.
Thanks Mike - is this discussion/modification around the problems with the soft parts of this hard pipes setup that "some" are talking about - the new rigid pipes are causing extra stress on the soft parts, and causing them to wear out prematurely in some cases? I've heard this around a little with regards to this mod we're doing, and wondering if the changes you're talking about making are to better guard against that going forward? What are your thoughts and experiences with this if you don't mind sharing and elaborating as far as what you know, and thank you very much for your input and continued efforts to get the most and the best out of this platform for us.
I didn't mean to hijack the thread... My question was rhetorical, but as FYI, I have had Mike's Hotpipes and Downpipes on my SHO since Nov of '13 and no problems or signs of wear. The hump-hose connectors made of high quality silicon are likely the key. My only consideration currently is about changing mt SS T-clamps to spring loaded ones, especially at the turbos, to allow for expansion of the hardpipes with heat and minimize normal wear or connector damage from same.
Quote from: BiGMaC on January 05, 2016, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: miller007 on January 05, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on January 04, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on January 04, 2016, 06:01:48 PM
What do you think is the MTF for the silicon connectors?
Hmm I don't know that but I would imagine many years :)
That being said the great thing is with the hot pipes it's as easy as replacing the hose instead of the whole pipe like factory pieces.
I am currently looking at making the IC to TB and front turbo to IC pipes into silicone entirely instead of metal and silicone. Much easier to install and it costs me the same as an a pipe, two hoses and 4 clamps for a silicone hose and 2 clamps.
Long term I'll be looking at replacing the front turbo to top pipe with silicone as well, leaving just the one metal pipe with the dual BoV adapters from rear turbo to middle pipe.
This will probably be another year in the making, nothing immediately.
Thanks Mike - is this discussion/modification around the problems with the soft parts of this hard pipes setup that "some" are talking about - the new rigid pipes are causing extra stress on the soft parts, and causing them to wear out prematurely in some cases? I've heard this around a little with regards to this mod we're doing, and wondering if the changes you're talking about making are to better guard against that going forward? What are your thoughts and experiences with this if you don't mind sharing and elaborating as far as what you know, and thank you very much for your input and continued efforts to get the most and the best out of this platform for us.
I didn't mean to hijack the thread... My question was rhetorical, but as FYI, I have had Mike's Hotpipes and Downpipes on my SHO since Nov of '13 and no problems or signs of wear. The hump-hose connectors made of high quality silicon are likely the key. My only consideration currently is about changing mt SS T-clamps to spring loaded ones, especially at the turbos, to allow for expansion of the hardpipes with heat and minimize normal wear or connector damage from same.
X2 Agreed. Z
Hi Mike - any news or update on final shipping out of the product now that we're to the 15th? No worries either way, just checking now that we're here... I'm ready to make an appt with my installer! hehe. Thank you.
Picking them up today from coater, they'll go out tonight or Monday at the latest. Depends if I can get everything boxed and ready on time.
I'll take a picture once I get them picked up in a bit.
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Everything is picked up I will try my best to get them out today but its already late so I doubt that I'll make the UPS office on time
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I have all these ready for coating as well and ready when somebody orders from now on.
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Custom workmanship at its very best. Z :thumb: :thumb:
All ordered shipped tonight Priority Mail and tracking numbers sent via email. Started the day at 5AM, now 10:40 PM, I am going to bed!
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