I'm heavily leaning toward catless downpipes, since I live in Florida and there is no emissions testing. I'm going to leave the rest of the exhaust stock. So between PPE, Livernoise, and Stainless works are there any that are noticeably better or worse in terms of fitment/quality/sound? I imagine there would be no real difference in performance.
From pictures on the vendors site, the PPE set looks fantastic. The Stainless Works look good too, just slightly more "bendy". Does that make either of them fit easier or have any clearance issue? Any difference in how long they might last? I can't tell for sure but from the pics it looks like the flexible section might be longer on the SW pipes.
The LMS ones are the cheapest, but it looks like the front pipe is 2 sections that fit together... not sure if I want to deal with another potential source of exhaust leak.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
PPE: http://www.ppeengineering-onlinestore.com/Ford-Taurus-SHO-FLEX-Ecoboost-V6-25-testpipes-130002.htm (http://www.ppeengineering-onlinestore.com/Ford-Taurus-SHO-FLEX-Ecoboost-V6-25-testpipes-130002.htm)
SW: http://stainlessworks.net/2010-ford-taurus-sho-downpipe (http://stainlessworks.net/2010-ford-taurus-sho-downpipe)
LMS: https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP101114 (https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP101114)
The only issue you might have is the Stainless works DP due to the improper location of the 02 sensor bung which can be remedied by purchasing an 02 extender.
Sometimes in rare ocassions you might need to double gasket due to fitment issues in order to prevent any leaks.
Side note- spray the bolts with a can of PB blaster liberally the night before prior to removing the bolts.
I would also put a tab of Rtv sealant for good measures. Z
Which one is the Stage 3 downpipe?
Quote from: Agentlongwood on November 06, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
Which one is the Stage 3 downpipe?
Stainless works/Stage 3 Motorsports. Z
http://stainlessworks.net/2010-ford-taurus-sho-downpipe (http://stainlessworks.net/2010-ford-taurus-sho-downpipe)
Gotcha, thanks I appreciate it. I'm leaning towards the PPE set. They look damn good, and I've heard great things about the catted version. I imagine the fitment/quality would be the same for the catless ones.
Now my only 2 real worries are if it impacts the sound of the factory exhaust in a bad way, and if I can reasonably do this in my driveway.
It can be done in your Driveway but from my own personal experience would highly recommend using a lift which would make it that much easier without having to break your back and then some.
The front bolts that connect to your turbos can sometimes be a pita to remove along with the 02 sensors while taking extra necessary precautions removing the 02 sensors while avoiding any pinched,twisted wires from forming. Z
You can get cheaper catless pipes than PPE, if you want their quality go catted. :)
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on November 06, 2017, 11:38:48 PM
You can get cheaper catless pipes than PPE, if you want their quality go catted. :)
Just because I don't want catalytic converters doesn't mean I want to settle for crappy hardware. Yeah I could get OBX downpipes for dirt cheap, but I'm specifically looking for ones with quality fitment and reliability. It's my daily driver so, I don't want them to rub, or the flex section to wear out, or have sensor bungs in the wrong place, or leak, or have crappy welds. There is more to quality hardware than just having cats or not... Or are you saying that PPE's builds catless pipes at a lower quality standard than they build their catted ones?
PPE makes amazing pipes at amazing quality and they charge for it, the welds are a thing of beauty and if you're willing to pay for that (most aren't) then please utilize them, realize that there's an 8 week delay with them currently.
Quote from: ZSHO on November 06, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
The only issue you might have is the Stainless works DP due to the improper location of the 02 sensor bung which can be remedied by purchasing an 02 extender.
Sometimes in rare ocassions you might need to double gasket due to fitment issues in order to prevent any leaks.
Side note- spray the bolts with a can of PB blaster liberally the night before prior to removing the bolts.
I would also put a tab of Rtv sealant for good measures. Z
I thought this O2 sensor issue was corrected after the first batch. Mine had no such issue.
Quote from: 10bird on November 07, 2017, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on November 06, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
The only issue you might have is the Stainless works DP due to the improper location of the 02 sensor bung which can be remedied by purchasing an 02 extender.
Sometimes in rare ocassions you might need to double gasket due to fitment issues in order to prevent any leaks.
Side note- spray the bolts with a can of PB blaster liberally the night before prior to removing the bolts.
I would also put a tab of Rtv sealant for good measures. Z
I thought this O2 sensor issue was corrected after the first batch. Mine had no such issue.
I Cant see your signature! Catted or non catted DP?
I had the same issue from almost four years ago!
Here is a most recent member that still has the same issue with the 02 sensor bung!! Dunno. Z
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6503.15.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6503.15.html)
I can attest that Paul from PPE craftsmanship is by far second to none IMO.
I think BiGMaC was the first to have them on his SHO!. Z
My SW Catt-less DP's will be here today. I will let you know my experience.
Quote from: ZSHO on November 07, 2017, 12:17:09 PM
I can attest that Paul from PPE craftsmanship is by far second to none IMO.
I think BiGMaC was the first to have them on his SHO!. Z
I was the first :D
I have the PPE catted and the quality is very good.
Installed them with the car on jack stands. It can be done, just take your time and be patient. Beer helps.
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on November 07, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on November 07, 2017, 12:17:09 PM
I can attest that Paul from PPE craftsmanship is by far second to none IMO.
I think BiGMaC was the first to have them on his SHO!. Z
I was the first :D
I think I'm the only person that has had any issue with PPE's. But that was because they were Mike's original set before the clearance issues with pp/nonpp were known and subsequently fixed. The car they were originally for was the 2013 non-pp. Oops.
My LMS off-road down pipes seemed to be good quality and fit really well. I did mine on jack stands in the garage without any trouble. The turbo flange nuts are way easier to put back on without cats as well. I still have my stock cat-back section and the only real difference in sound I noticed was that it sounds a little deeper/throatier than before. Otherwise it is still pretty quiet. I can also hear the turbos spooling inside the car now. My only real complaint was that the pipes didn't come with any hardware to connect the down pipes to the cat-back section.
I can take pictures of my catted PPE downpipes when I get home if you have any questions about quality. I still haven't gotten them installed :'( Just haven't had the time for the install. Only been sitting around 4 or 5 months.
:o
Quote from: FearlessAZ on November 09, 2017, 09:27:54 AM
I can take pictures of my catted PPE downpipes when I get home if you have any questions about quality. I still haven't gotten them installed :'( Just haven't had the time for the install. Only been sitting around 4 or 5 months.
let me know when you feel like selling them ;) lol
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Lol. Never. I like them too much and even if they never get installed, they make a beautiful paperweight for my desk. :P
But in all seriousness, I like to work with my cousin (my mechanic) on stuff like this so I get a good feel on how to do it. Just so happens that he has had some terrible luck with accidents since I have purchased this set. Seems every time he starts to feel healthy and up to it, some divine comes by and says no way.
They will get put on eventually. Maybe by Christmas? :rofl2:
Sorry to hear about your cousin, hope he has seen the last of that divine intervention for a while!