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#21
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by Cobra93 - July 09, 2024, 03:25:20 AM
I believe the idle fuel pressure is around 250-264 psi, it ramps up very quickly when going wot.

I believe intake manifold pressure is always positive.
I did break a couple of intake connections and everything is only shiny, but I didn't look at any low points. Also looking into the intake manifold was only shiny.

I pushed the bov down and it moves very smooth. I didn't pull up on it.

I did remove the hard line that goes from the rear valve cover to the intake,  just behind the throttle body at the bend towards the plenum. I assume the dark orange piece that fits into the rear valve cover is the pcv valve. I didn't pull/ twist it  with to much force. It moves a little, but not much. Do you know if there is anything more than a baffle on the inside of the valve cover?
Does the pcv valve just pull straight out?

I couldn't believe how much oil was pooled on the throttle body.
I don't hammer on the gas a lot.
The rear turbo was replaced a couple of months ago. The bearing/seal must have gone bad.
I saw oil all over the flex connection to the intake tubing and dripping off the oil return line. I wound up with a p0420 and had to pay to replace the rear cats. I couldn't buy the cats for less than they could replace them.

I'll try to get the car on jack stands and look around underneath the car after work.
It may not be until this weekend, but I'll try to clean out any intake piping. I will look for any pooling.

Thanks again SHOdded.

No hesitation this morning, seemed to run good.
#22
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by SHOdded - July 08, 2024, 09:01:35 PM
what is the hpfp fuel pressure at idle? how does the lpfp pressure behave. if it is a fuel problem, could be the fuel pump control module under the rear seat.

i am not sure but intake pressure should always be positive. neg/pos you might be thinking of the pcv system and/or boost readings.

looks like the diaphragms are intact, wont see them until you put pressure on the valve to expand it.

that much oil in the throttle body is a concern. it could come from the turbo or the pcv system. since the pcv valve is a known weak point might want to change it. also check the intake tubing and turbo piping for pooling oil. pooling oil in turbo piping would indicate a new turbo is needed.

lets check out the easiest things first.
#23
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by Cobra93 - July 08, 2024, 05:45:43 PM
I took some pics of the BOV, CAC and the throttle body today.
I was surprised at how much oil was dripping down the TB.
I didn't see or extract much oil from the CAC. I'll try this sunday with a shop vac, the hand pump didn't do much.
I did push the dipstick down to the bottom, there was less than 3/16" on it.
Not sure how much was from the bottom and how much smeared when I put it in and pulled it out.
I did jack the drivers side of the car up more than 12".
I assume they must have changed the design of the BOV from your pic????
Neither of mine have the orange membrane/diaphragm.

I did see what looked like an orange o-ring in the CAC,  but that would've had to travel through the cooling fin. No idea.
#24
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by Cobra93 - July 08, 2024, 03:56:04 AM
That is the hose they didn't reconnect and I had no power.
It is on and I put a zip tie on it last night.
I'll check for codes, I should've done that yesterday.
I'll have to find my vacuum pump and make sure the daiphrams hold vacuum.

Thanks again, I appreciate the help.
I'll post back when I can check some of these things.

The Pic you posted didn't show up on my pc for some reason, but did on my phone. I'll check that.
I was thinking of the one on the turbo.

This morning I had no boost until 2nd gear the first time i floored it. After that no real issues.
I do see hpfp press is 2,400 ish psi max. Timing advance is around 18 degrees.
Trying to watch rpm and vac/boost guage. I get around 10 psi by 2,500_3,000 rpm.
I put the intake manifold press up as well. It always reads positive?

When I floored it (outside if the first time) boost held very steady at 10 psi.

Just trying to give all the (correct) info I can.

I'll check what I can after work today.

Thanks again.
#25
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by SHOdded - July 07, 2024, 09:53:01 PM
theres a wastegate controller on top of the intake with 3 unclamped small diameter hoses attached to it. a hose could be working its way loose or already be loose. though it usually ends up setting a code. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrhBu5XtafU

now a tear in the diaphragm of the blowoff valve is not immediately visible, so unless you are looking for it, you may miss it.

yes, check the c-clips on the wastegate actuators on the turbos, tho you'd think they would cause problems at all speeds.
#26
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by Cobra93 - July 07, 2024, 05:29:21 PM
I have a depstech scope, I'll try to snake it down to the inter cooler and see if there's fluid in the bottom.
The plugs are new (2,000 miles) .030 gap motorcraft.
I'll check the clamps on the intake tubes to make sure they're all tight.

I do have torque showing boost, it does seem to jump around a lot (8-12 psi).
There should be a vacuum controlled waste gate on the turbo, correct?
I'll look for the metal rod to make sure it is connected?

Thanks for the help SHOdded. 
#27
New Member Introductions / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by SHOdded - July 07, 2024, 05:01:00 PM
post some detailed pics :D
#28
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / Re: my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by SHOdded - July 07, 2024, 04:58:35 PM
surge can be turbo surge or torque converter. being under acceleration does point it towards a turbo system issue. may be a turbo or may be a wastegate actuator or blowoff valve. or even an unclamped control hose on top of the manifold that has popped.

another possibility is crud buildup in the intercooler to the extent it is being pulled into the intake under acceleration.

finally doing the plugs is an essential and necessary task for many reasons. on an ICE engine, easily one of the best indicators of potential problems.

and yes do not install the tune unless this problem is resolved.

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/board,107.0.html
#29
Troubleshooting, Maintenance, TSB Articles / my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by Cobra93 - July 07, 2024, 02:32:21 PM
Hello everyone. Sorry for the long post, but I try to give all the info I can without you having to ask.

I purchased my '17 SHO w'PP back in march of '20.
The car has been fantastic, until a couple of months ago.

My car is stock, the front hubs have been replaced a couple of years ago, other than that. No issues.
I have a warranty until march of '25. ford protect.

I just purchased a tune from Matt at Gearhead and I'm waiting for the tune.
I figured if any issues are going to happen I should find out within the warranty instead of waiting.
The dealer I used for the problems I had a couple of months ago is tune friendly and That is what changed my mind about putting a tune on my car.
He said "if it doesn't look like abuse, they will get paid by ford or me. He doesn't care".

I thought I' d use torque to get a baseline 0-60 time as a comparison, whether it's correct or not I think I should be able to use it to see what improvement there is.
It is 80 degrees today and my 0-60 was 6.8 (just flooring it) and 6.3 foot braking it to 1,500-2,000.
My car seems to "lazy" until 4,000-4,500 rpm, then takes off the way I think it should.
I didn't expect this to be so slow. I thought it was just me being used to the car.
I'm not sure where to even look/start looking.

A couple months ago I floor it to pass someone on the e-way and the car went into limp mode. The engine was shaking  bad if I gave it any gas. It took about 30 seconds for the engine light to stop flashing and it would run normal.
This happened 3 times so I took it to the dealer.
I had to take it back 3 times to get everything sorted.
I like the guy that does the diagnosis, but the mechanic was terrible.

Long story short as I can.

The rear turbo was leaking oil, I saw this on the oil return line (dripping).
I had 8 or more codes, fuel rail pressure, misfire on multiple cylinders and transmission codes.

Over the 3 visits they replaced the rear turbo, all 3 firewall injectors, the HP fuel pump (twice), Map sensor, an 02 sensor, some fuel lines and the injector rails.

I was told an orifice in the fuel rail had corroded, broken apart and was clogging the back 3 injectors.
This explains why the car ran fine until I got on it.

I used to wrench on all my cars, but I don't think I can do much engine/trans. wise on this car.
I keep up on fluid changes. I just changed the RDU, PTU and another 5 out/ 5in on the trans. I thought now would be a good time (again).
 Today the car seemed to take off from a stop like it was N/A, then ran normal after 4,000 rpm.
There seems to be a surge under acceleration like a misfire or boost "flutter" (blow off/ waste gate opening/closing that happens very quickly). It is very difficult to describe.

I don't know what to look for on torque for any clues.
I have never logged anything, so I don't know how to do this without some explanation as to how.
I don't know if I should even load the tune Matt sends me.
I'd be happy to try whatever I can to give you info to help point me in the correct direction.

I'll go back to the dealer, but The mechanic from last time was terrible.
He didn't re install the lower engine cover, he didn't re install the push in fasteners that should be in the lower splash shield in front of the lower engine cover, he didn't plug the boost reference hose back in on the intake piping, things like that.

Thanks for any help/direction you can provide, Joe

#30
New Member Introductions / my 2017 SHO w/PP
Last post by Cobra93 - July 07, 2024, 01:43:09 PM
I haven't had any reason to actually post anything, just read what others have posted.
I purchased a '17 SHO w/ PP back in '20, right before the shutdown in march.
The car has been a joy to own. Until now.
I assume I should create a topic about my issue in the correct section.

I just thought I'd say hello, Joe.