PRODUCTION VERSION (as of 12/18/2014) can be viewed here:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4034.msg63761.html#msg63761 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4034.msg63761.html#msg63761)
Pics of production version installed in BiGMaC's SHO:
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Hey guys, I've done a couple revisions and have (99.9% sure) settled on a final design which will be the third iteration of the intake system. The first design did, while having a definitive increase in performance, ended up heat soaking which was so apparent. If you've never experienced heat soak, once you experience it first hand you'll get to understand how power robbing this can be. This led me to scratch the first prototype and work on a completely enclosed, sealed unit similar to the OEM intake system albeit minor improvements
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This is what I ended up with, the MDesign Dual Carbon Fiber Cold-Air-Intake. Immediately I noticed upon cruising in 70 degree weather I can maintain IAT of 78-84. Under heavy acceleration and spirited driving, IAT have peaked to 110-115 and settled down to mid 80's shortly after.
Best of all, due to the ram air design and each filter getting its own source of fresh outside air, the faster you go the cooler you'll see the IAT dropping. This is not just another intake, this was a mission that resulted in an intake. The mission was to create an intake that respected all of the engineering that FoMoCo put into the OEM intake and only improving upon it. These improvements include dual intake filters for each turbo with genuine carbon fiber canister heat shields, ceramic coated aluminum hard-piping which retain both factory vacuum nipples and the MAP sensor, and each filter has it's own flexible tube to allow a source of fresh air from wherever the user defines.
As of now the intake kit converts the BOV to vent-to-atmosphere and the hard piping does not contain a recirculation for this and uses a breather filter for the front PCV similar to other intake kits out there. The decision to do this was to create as few restrictions/nipples within the hard piping to increase speed density and smoother air flow.
More testing and numbers to come.
Yes more details! Where does it draw the air from. Is the trans dipstick accessible. That bracket needs to powder coated or something. Looks great otherwise!
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I see the flexible tubing has bellows built into it. You might want to consider that after the filter, as the OEM setup uses them after the filter to accelerate the air. I'm sure the filter slows it down.
I'm also unsure as what effect two air streams might have on turbulence inside the airbox. My guess is any issue caused by this could also be helped by mimicking the stock arrangement.
x2 on details :) including any power info.
Details? Pricing? Availability?
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I've been waiting two weeks for this :)
That looks great! I've been waiting on buying an intake so I'm hoping this will be the one.
where does the air temp sensor go?
Quote from: mval on June 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
where does the air temp sensor go?
It's hidden under the rear turbo hard pipe for aesthetic reasons.
Price point is $599 for the dual intake and hard pipes.
Any plans for dyno video's in the near future?
I TAP OUT! TOO RICH FOR MY BLOOD! $600?
Quote from: Josephm on June 06, 2014, 04:55:10 PM
Any plans for dyno video's in the near future?
LMS is just down the street from me so I plan on getting in there some time in the near future.
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on June 06, 2014, 08:05:21 PM
I TAP OUT! TOO RICH FOR MY BLOOD! $600?
http://www.fastlaneturbo.com/ecoboostcoldairpipelinesystem.aspx (http://www.fastlaneturbo.com/ecoboostcoldairpipelinesystem.aspx)
http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/shointake.html (http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/shointake.html)
Fastlane is $795, Hennessey $2295, Airaid $300 or so for just the filter area.
Quote from: Spartn27 on June 06, 2014, 11:04:47 PM
LMS is just down the street from me so I plan on getting in there some time in the near future.
Seriously? I was up there earlier today. I'm maybe 5-10 minutes from them
Ok. Glad you are competing with them. Just too much for ME! Maybe not others
Quote from: TuxedoSHO on June 06, 2014, 11:44:12 PM
Quote from: Spartn27 on June 06, 2014, 11:04:47 PM
LMS is just down the street from me so I plan on getting in there some time in the near future.
Seriously? I was up there earlier today. I'm maybe 5-10 minutes from them
I'm in Dearborn as well, I think I might've spotted you today down Ford Rd? I'm free this Sunday if you want to check it out in person, check your PM's.
Honestly from a purely aesthetic perspective $600 seems like a good price, so for someone that likes to show off their car I think it's worth it for that aspect alone. If you bring dyno-proven results that demonstrate an improvement with it, you're gonna have a hell of a deal.
Quote from: BBOX on June 07, 2014, 12:35:36 AM
Honestly from a purely aesthetic perspective $600 seems like a good price, so for someone that likes to show off their car I think it's worth it for that aspect alone. If you bring dyno-proven results that demonstrate an improvement with it, you're gonna have a hell of a deal.
I agree 100 % with BBOX ... this looks very promising .
Quote from: Spartn27 on June 05, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
These improvements include dual intake filters for each turbo with genuine carbon fiber canister heat shields, ceramic coated aluminum hard-piping which retain both factory vacuum nipples and the MAP sensor, and each filter has it's own flexible tube to allow a source of fresh air from wherever the user defines.
I'd say these improvements in function & looks justify the price point.
I think it represents a good value as is and if it makes 15-20 HP it will be an outstanding value.
I am curious about the decision to go with 2 air sources. Not sure its necessary and it adds complication and dollars to the design.
Overall hugely promising.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 07, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
I think it represents a good value as is and if it makes 15-20 HP it will be an outstanding value.
I am curious about the decision to go with 2 air sources. Not sure its necessary and it adds complication and dollars to the design.
Overall hugely promising.
The reason of going with two air sources was to mimic a "sequential" effect with the turbo system. With the shorter and restriction-less (as in no vacuum nipples or intrusions in the piping) front intake piping the front turbo should spool quicker than the rear turbo. This idea is derived from sequential twin-turbo systems where a smaller, faster spooling turbo supports the lower RPM band while the larger second turbo takes it's time to build and achieve full boost.
The concept is similar to RX's Sequential Boost system (http://http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3071.0.html) just on a smaller scale, more like a throw-in, added benefit.
As far as the 2 different sources of air, I decided to retain the OEM hood/ram air source while adding a second user defined ram-air effect to the other. The way I have the fresh air sources currently configured are where the front turbo receives it's flow out of a modified OEM intake hood snorkel and the rear turbo receives air flow from the lower front bumper area. Every part of the design was thought out and serves a purpose as with the exhaust system.
The intake was meant to be a solution for a cold-air intake system so it was function over appearance first and foremost. As some humor, of the select few who have seen the first design the process was like Tony Stark building the Iron Man, first suit ugly but functional and got more aesthetically appealing after each revision!
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So you've got an intake an exhaust, are downpipes in the works? :)
I see a specific void spartn is filling with the first two products. II'm not sure such a void exists with downpipes. PPE, Livernois, and stainless works have us pretty well covered. IMHO.
What void? There are multiple intake and exhaust options that already exist.
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Quote from: BBOX on June 07, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
What void? There are multiple intake and exhaust options that already exist.
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Current intakes are useless and some of us are not fond of the sound/price of any of the current exhaust options.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 07, 2014, 02:02:14 PM
I see a specific void spartn is filling with the first two products. II'm not sure such a void exists with downpipes. PPE, Livernois, and stainless works have us pretty well covered. IMHO.
^^ This really, I was actually interested in purchasing a set of PPE downpipes myself! So as of now no downpipes in the works.
Fair enough, I'm looking to buy downpipes as well but would have been willing to wait if MDesigns was gonna come up with something that way too, right now I'm VERY interested in the intake and exhaust.
Are the hard pipes you refer to in your new setup, the same as hot pipes or the noise eliminator pipe?
Do this cause any change in the way the car sounds? Or, aside from VTA, does it sound pretty much stock since you went with a sealed design?
Out of curiosity, how loud is the BOV when it vents to the atmosphere?
Quote from: BBOX on June 08, 2014, 06:15:48 PM
Out of curiosity, how loud is the BOV when it vents to the atmosphere?
Not very loud. But the mod is so cheap and easy it's worth a try. You can go back if you don't like it. But it does make the car sound like a proper turbo car.
Brad
2010 SHO with PP
170* T-Stat
NGK LTR7IX plugs, gap at 0.030
BOV VTA
MyCal LMS Stage 4+
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Its not loud at all. If you have any kind of music, you can't hear it.
My kids call it the elephant sneeze
Good to know, I see converting it to VTA is part of this intake and I was hoping it wouldn't be anything too loud and obnoxious, glad to hear it's not.
Quote from: J-Will on June 07, 2014, 08:14:53 PM
Are the hard pipes you refer to in your new setup, the same as hot pipes or the noise eliminator pipe?
No that is the hot side of the turbo, these pipes are for the inlet/intake part of the system.
Quote from: yowen on June 08, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
Do this cause any change in the way the car sounds? Or, aside from VTA, does it sound pretty much stock since you went with a sealed design?
It allows you to hear the engine a bit more and also the turbo spooling/air sucking sound, though nothing obnoxious. If you choose to use the kit without routing the cold-air ducts and just relying on the CF heat shield it also gets a bit louder.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on June 07, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
I think it represents a good value as is and if it makes 15-20 HP it will be an outstanding value.
Overall hugely promising.
I would be thrilled with 10-15, watching closely.
Saw a group buy on this on another site... is this you? What does the CAI look like behind the heat shield?
Ahmad.... Any dyno data planned or done?
Quote from: Husker02GT on June 20, 2014, 04:59:32 PM
Saw a group buy on this on another site... is this you? What does the CAI look like behind the heat shield?
Yes that would be me.
Quote from: BiGMaC on June 21, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Ahmad.... Any dyno data planned or done?
As of now due to lack of time there are no immediate dyno plans or any done, though I am hopeful there will be a dyno in the somewhat near future.
Does anyone have a link to the group buy?
Sounds like we might be able to get a group buy going on here also?
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Quote from: SHOnUup on June 21, 2014, 07:53:20 AM
Sounds like we might be able to get a group buy going on here also?
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Anything come of this?
Good question
Quote from: J-Will on August 04, 2014, 06:21:37 PM
Anything come of this?
With the help of a forum member and some others, there should be an updated thread within the week.
This thread can be closed though :)
PRODUCTION VERSION (as of 12/18/2014) can be viewed here:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4034.msg63761.html#msg63761 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4034.msg63761.html#msg63761)
Pics of production version installed in BiGMaC's SHO:
(http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w596/knot2bfound/MDesign%20CAI%20Installed%2012-7-2014/IMG_3304_zps9ae7a280.jpg)
(http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w596/knot2bfound/MDesign%20CAI%20Installed%2012-7-2014/IMG_3303_zpsdc342edd.jpg)
Group buy is over. Please PM Spartn27 directly if interested in purchase. Thank you..