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Title: Finally Bit
Post by: MDesign Performance on May 23, 2014, 02:45:52 PM
With all this talk about PCV and carbon build up issues it made me think of possible fixes. One one would be to have BG Full Service done and throw BG 44k into the tank every 5000 miles there on after. Option two, water/methanol injection kit.

Having the ability to spray methanol into your intake manifold system not only as a performance booster but a cleaner at the same time has me sold and I got bit by the methanol injected bug. What I am interested in is finding current methanol users to give back some solid data as to document how much of a difference a methanol infused GDI EcoBoost engine would have versus a similarity equipped vehicle without the meth kit in regards to carbon build up.

It's no question carbon build up is a issue in GDI engines let alone our EcoBoost engines specifically (thanks to BG's tests on the SHO) but it's detrimental effect on performance is my main concern. The more performance modifications I add not only do I notice the improvement in power, I also feel the difference when my car needs a bottle of quality fuel injector cleaner or has bad gas (no pun intended). I feel there is no point to keep modifying an engine with an obvious power robbing issue without taking care of it first. I also believe if we can understand methanol injection more and become more familiar with it we can all reep it's benefits not only in performance but also engine longevity and there would be more safely equipped methanol injected 3.5L EcoBoost vehicles prowling around.

So does any methanol injected member have access to a boresscope?
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: SHOdded on May 23, 2014, 04:11:29 PM
Something like this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html)
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: JimiJak on May 23, 2014, 06:58:37 PM
Awesome to hear!!

Have you checked out the links in the water math injection tab?
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: crash712us on May 23, 2014, 10:42:32 PM
Sure wish I had access to a bore scope. I've been running meth for over 2yrs and I have been curious myself. I will have to start asking everyone I know to see if I can round one up. I just can't justify spending the money on one.


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Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: MDesign Performance on May 23, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 23, 2014, 04:11:29 PM
Something like this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html)

Yea something of that sort would be great!

Quote from: JimiJak on May 23, 2014, 06:58:37 PM
Awesome to hear!!

Have you checked out the links in the water math injection tab?

I've been reading up on how methanol injection kits work in general. Also been scoping out different brand universal kits trying to put together a economical kit, trying to expand my options as best as I can. Also notice some spray at specific boost or RPM while others can work by the throttle.

Quote from: crash712us on May 23, 2014, 10:42:32 PM
Sure wish I had access to a bore scope. I've been running meth for over 2yrs and I have been curious myself. I will have to start asking everyone I know to see if I can round one up. I just can't justify spending the money on one.


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Yea if you don't already own the tool it is not worth it to purchase, I was trying to see if anyone might have some connections to a family/friend mechanic or someone who is well connected at their dealer to get a quick peek.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: SwampRat on May 24, 2014, 12:15:15 AM
Quote from: Spartn27 on May 23, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 23, 2014, 04:11:29 PM
Something like this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html)

Yea something of that sort would be great!

Quote from: JimiJak on May 23, 2014, 06:58:37 PM
Awesome to hear!!

Have you checked out the links in the water math injection tab?

I've been reading up on how methanol injection kits work in general. Also been scoping out different brand universal kits trying to put together a economical kit, trying to expand my options as best as I can. Also notice some spray at specific boost or RPM while others can work by the throttle.

Quote from: crash712us on May 23, 2014, 10:42:32 PM
Sure wish I had access to a bore scope. I've been running meth for over 2yrs and I have been curious myself. I will have to start asking everyone I know to see if I can round one up. I just can't justify spending the money on one.


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Less expensive USB borescopes are available .

This is one example of many at 39.99 ...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/agptek-mini-usb-borescope-endoscope-inspection-tube-pipe-snake-led-camera-10m-waterproof-4-led-video/1306344560.p?id=mp1306344560&skuId=1306344560 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/agptek-mini-usb-borescope-endoscope-inspection-tube-pipe-snake-led-camera-10m-waterproof-4-led-video/1306344560.p?id=mp1306344560&skuId=1306344560)



Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: JimiJak on May 24, 2014, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: crash712us on May 23, 2014, 10:42:32 PM
Sure wish I had access to a bore scope. I've been running meth for over 2yrs and I have been curious myself. I will have to start asking everyone I know to see if I can round one up. I just can't justify spending the money on one.


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http://www.amazon.com/Southwire-51010S-Borescope-Inspection-Camera/dp/B00FOANRT2/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-8375107-3695906 (http://www.amazon.com/Southwire-51010S-Borescope-Inspection-Camera/dp/B00FOANRT2/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-8375107-3695906)

I've used this one. $57 on amazon. It worked out really well. Much like some more expensive ones I've used. Highly recommend for the $$!
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on May 24, 2014, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: SwampRat on May 24, 2014, 12:15:15 AM
Quote from: Spartn27 on May 23, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
[quDeote author=SHOdded link=topic=3048.msg45182#msg45182 date=1400875889]
Something like this?

http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/high-resolution-digital-inspection-camera-with-recorder-60695.html)

Yea something of that sort would be great!

Quote from: JimiJak on May 23, 2014, 06:58:37 PM
Awesome to hear!!

Have you checked out the links in the water math injection tab?

I've been reading up on how methanol injection kits work in general. Also been scoping out different brand universal kits trying to put together a economical kit, trying to expand my options as best as I can. Also notice some spray at specific boost or RPM while others can work by the throttle.

Quote from: crash712us on May 23, 2014, 10:42:32 PM
Sure wish I had access to a bore scope. I've been running meth for over 2yrs and I have been curious myself. I will have to start asking everyone I know to see if I can round one up. I just can't justify spending the money on one.


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Less expensive USB borescopes are available .

This is one example of many at 39.99 ...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/agptek-mini-usb-borescope-endoscope-inspection-tube-pipe-snake-led-camera-10m-waterproof-4-led-video/1306344560.p?id=mp1306344560&skuId=1306344560 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/agptek-mini-usb-borescope-endoscope-inspection-tube-pipe-snake-led-camera-10m-waterproof-4-led-video/1306344560.p?id=mp1306344560&skuId=1306344560)
I have those connections, I'm working on it. My list for them continues to grow.

They are just stacked with work which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: SHOdded on May 24, 2014, 03:34:18 AM
A couple more USB borescopes (tx for the idea, SR):

3.5 Inches LCD Inspection Camera Borescope Endoscope Scope Zoom Rotate (TD0310) ($28 final cost!)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JO69EPI (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JO69EPI)

Vividia 8mm USB Flexible Inspection Camera Borescope Endoscope
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004WY9F7E (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004WY9F7E)

WiFi Inspection Camera Borescope Endoscope HD Waterproof iPad IPhone iOS Android 3M 1.0Mega Pixles
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HJJLSRO (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HJJLSRO)
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: JimiJak on May 24, 2014, 03:38:44 AM
Has anyone used one of the usbs?
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: SHOdded on May 24, 2014, 03:45:25 AM
I have not, but I am very likely going to get the Mr. El Cheapo one.  Will report back at that time.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: MDesign Performance on May 24, 2014, 07:22:40 AM
Located the smallest/cheapest ones I can find. These are 7mm thin, one has 4 LED's and the other has 6.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-USB-Endoscope-Borescope-Snake-Inspection-Video-Camera-2M-Cable-TE015-CK1-/141294229278?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e5cad71e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-USB-Endoscope-Borescope-Snake-Inspection-Video-Camera-2M-Cable-TE015-CK1-/141294229278?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e5cad71e)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6-Led-7mm-USB-Endoscope-Borescope-Inspection-Snake-Tube-Camera-2m-5m-7m-10m-/400539856116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item5d42092cf4 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6-Led-7mm-USB-Endoscope-Borescope-Inspection-Snake-Tube-Camera-2m-5m-7m-10m-/400539856116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item5d42092cf4)
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: Larrylu on May 24, 2014, 11:20:53 AM
Been wanting to take a look at the backside of my intakes for a while now. At these prices I'm sure I will be buying one of these bargains. Is there a designated best spot to introduce the scope to peek at the valve backs?
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 11:35:13 AM
Is there any danger of dislodging the carbon buildup when you are sticking the probe down the intake? I have a scope. I have even looked into the cac. I am just terrified to screw something up.


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Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: MDesign Performance on May 24, 2014, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 11:35:13 AM
Is there any danger of dislodging the carbon buildup when you are sticking the probe down the intake? I have a scope. I have even looked into the cac. I am just terrified to screw something up.


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That's the thing, that depends on how much carbon build up you currently have and you won't really know unless you look. Though I doubt you will damage anything unless they are extremely covered in carbon.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: SwampRat on May 24, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
Quote from: Spartn27 on May 24, 2014, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 11:35:13 AM
Is there any danger of dislodging the carbon buildup when you are sticking the probe down the intake? I have a scope. I have even looked into the cac. I am just terrified to screw something up.


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That's the thing, that depends on how much carbon build up you currently have and you won't really know unless you look. Though I doubt you will damage anything unless they are extremely covered in carbon.



Its going to take a lot more than a boroscope to dislodge any baked on carbon deposits .
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: SHOdded on May 24, 2014, 01:13:30 PM
Does it get hot enough inside the intake to bake the carbon deposits on the EBs, i.e., what temp range is the intake normally subject to?  (Talking about the intake manifold, right?)  No doubt they are practically fused to the walls/rings/pistons in the combustion chamber!
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 01:15:51 PM
Interesting, I will give it a try later this weekend and report back.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: SwampRat on May 24, 2014, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 24, 2014, 01:13:30 PM
Does it get hot enough inside the intake to bake the carbon deposits on the EBs, i.e., what temp range is the intake normally subject to?  (Talking about the intake manifold, right?)  No doubt they are practically fused to the walls/rings/pistons in the combustion chamber!
Although carbon deposited  on the aforementioned piston areas are one of the primary areas of concern  , the valves  are very prone to deposits ; especially the valve stem where carbon will form and bake on due to heat transfer.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: panther427 on May 24, 2014, 01:41:24 PM
And the fact the valve and valve stem are actually in the head directly above the combustion chamber.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 01:46:02 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/25/era3ebub.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/25/e2utyhe5.jpg)

Here is a couple of pics, in person it doesn't look that bad. There is build up but not as severe as we have seen. 35k miles.


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Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 02:08:16 PM
I am going to get the BG fuel service done and do an after shot.


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Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: MDesign Performance on May 24, 2014, 04:28:23 PM
That would be promising, are you methanol injected and if so for how many miles? Really does not look that bad as compared to BG's test car.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: Larrylu on May 24, 2014, 04:35:31 PM

Quote from: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 02:08:16 PM
I am going to get the BG fuel service done and do an after shot.


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Where are you introducing the scope?
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: ShoBoat on May 24, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
I introduced thorough the throttle body. No meth here, I was running the catch cans on the car for the last 3k miles or so. But I doubt they were not collecting anything. I would love to have a look at Crash's intake valves, he has been running meth forever.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: Larrylu on May 25, 2014, 05:50:07 PM
I'm still on vacation and won't be home till Tuesday, but this morning I ordered a scope tool from Amazon for $69. It will be delivered on Wednesday. I just love Amazon Prime. I'm thinking I might be able to sneak the probe in through the MAP sensor opening. If do that would be pretty easy. With 52K on the clock, I'm pretty anxious to see what the valve backsides look like. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: Larrylu on May 29, 2014, 10:25:16 AM
Pics are embarrassingly bad, but I hope good enough to somewhat judge the build up.

Entry through the MAP sensor opening.

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/076a120b5f51d3376b339d34d3a78a0b_zps7c0d6054.jpg)

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/d0a2bd3c2b3182d7cd4a3baef7f96ad2_zps2f9c969b.jpg)

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/ef271403f0b3c7ccaeddbb7ae4f00232_zps05ebc281.jpg)

Looking at the tool directly gave me a slightly better view. Feel free to chime in with an opinion if the pic quality allows. In my ignorance I didn't think it looked too bad. No treatments as yet and no catch cans.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: J-Will on May 29, 2014, 12:25:35 PM
My apologies for my newbness-

A dose of Seafoam doesn't cut it anymore?
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: panther427 on May 29, 2014, 01:21:27 PM
Not exactly. Adding some via vacuum to upper cylinder is the only way it will see the valves... same with any in tank fuel additive. 
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: J-Will on May 29, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
Can't go in at the intake manifold and spray it?
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: wasinger3000 on May 29, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
I just installed my 3 bar today and I decided to take the intake tube off and have a look. My car is at 19k miles and it looks spotless inside. My intake tube is dry to the touch and as far as I can see the intake manifold is like new. I ordered a snake cam and I'll post pics next week.

I think the carbon build up is hit and miss.
Title: Re: Finally Bit
Post by: Josephm on May 29, 2014, 11:59:15 PM
Nice mustang. Cant wait to see what you find.
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