Not gunna lie, I was exhausted by the time I got to painting the calipers... So it may be the shoddiest caliper paint job in history lol. Used Duplicolor brush on caliper paint. This was my first time doing brakes on this platform, so I started around 6pm and finished at 11pm. Having to stop to run and get the stupid tool for pushing in the rear pistons... There is a special place in hell for the man responsible for those twist-in style piston.
The pads are EBC Red Stuff Ceramic. I painted the shims red as well. The rotors are EBC's new "super quiet" USR slotted rotors. The lighting in the pics is super harsh because it was about 1130 at night and I was holding my phone in one hand, and an LED shop light in the other.
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I'm liking the overall EBC Setup! especially the inverted cooling vanes on the rotors! enjoy.
The suspension looks pretty clean IMO and probably due to the warmer southern climate. Z
Looks really good.
I like the vented hubs around the Knuckle.
Nice! Please report back after a few miles. Especially if you get a chance to do a high speed stop. If I keep my car long enough, I will change my set up. Mine feel OK until I try to slow from high speeds a few times in a row.
We had those rotors on another car and they held up really well. Was running Hawk HPS pads with them. Both worked well. Trying to pick that cars next brake pads now. Doing a mild upsize on it and already have the USR rotors again, but in a larger diameter.
The aesthetic / visual looks nice.
However, many have reported less than stellar experiences with the Red Stuff pads.
They're not typically recommended for our big heavy pigs either. Not to poo poo on them, but good luck.
I suspect the pads will get replaced sooner than expected/desired.
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I suggest yellowstuff my new favorite pad. I have EBC RK SPORT rotors, no holes or slots. I also have PP, the yellowstuff pads are about 40% stickier with no negatives, work well cold or wet. Love them...
Nice work on the painting and such. Stands out very well.
Quote from: sholxgt on December 09, 2017, 05:52:43 PM
Nice! Please report back after a few miles. Especially if you get a chance to do a high speed stop. If I keep my car long enough, I will change my set up. Mine feel OK until I try to slow from high speeds a few times in a row.
Will do man. The instructions that came with them said not to do any severe braking until you put 200 miles of "urban driving" on them. This is to wear through the layer of brake in material on the pads. Then do 5 hard brakes from 60mph to 20mph. After that I'll see how they feel. As of now, in normal driving they feel the same as stock. The USR rotors are dead quiet. I drove around a parking lot and a back road with the windows down. I couldn't hear a thing.
I know some folks had less than ideal experiences with Red Stuff. I wanted to use them since they are (to my knowledge) the only ceramic pad in EBCs line. Red Stuff used to be a non-ceramic formula, so I don't know if the bad experiences were from the older pads. Hopefully they last a good while, but if not, I know what I got into and I won't shed a tear, lol.
That said, when I first pulled out of my driveway I thought I screwed something up MAJORLY. The brakes groaned so loud, I was certain something was grinding or broken. Turns out that's just what it sounds like till the black layer wears off the rotors. A couple laps around my block and it went away. Phew :)
My experience with Redstuff is from a Buick Regal GS, loved them, perfect match....G8 GT FBO, heavy car too, redstuff was the best pad ever invented until I got 11,000 out of the front pads, thinking anomaly of some sort, and they were sweet I tried them again. It was summer and I drive like it was stolen. Brakes worked great until they didnt, 9,800 miles front pads ground to metal, parts of the pad burnt and crumbled. Was not at any track with that set of pads. Was suppose to be pretty good with dust but I should of known something amiss when they were the dirtiest pads ever. They work great just keep an eye on them. Never pair EBC redstuff pads with DBA 4000 series rotors or their gold line, incompatiable metal vs pad structure.
Quote from: ZSHO on December 09, 2017, 09:52:21 AM
I'm liking the overall EBC Setup! especially the inverted cooling vanes on the rotors!
I think you mean the slots and not the vanes, and funny thing about that... My front rotors were mislabeled. There is a little green sticker that says L or R on each rotor. I put the front discs on as labeled, and then noticed the slots on the rears faced the other direction. I checked it over and over and yeah, the front and rears were labeled in opposite directions. I went with how the fronts were labeled, and did the rear rotors opposite of how they were labeled so all 4 corners would match.
After reading your comment about them being inverted I looked it up. Yup they are on backwards, lol. But I contacted EBC and verified that the actual cooling vanes for these rotors are non-directional. So it doesn't make any difference which way they are put on. Slots can go either way. Brembo actually does them the way I put these on. EBC chose to do the other way. So crisis averted. It makes no difference at all which way the slots face on these rotors, since the cooling vanes are not directional. Heart-attack avoided.
can you post a direct link to this setup? like summit, amazon, etc.
curious of the cost comparison to powerstop.
Quote from: gtmorgan23 on December 11, 2017, 12:16:48 PM
can you post a direct link to this setup? like summit, amazon, etc.
curious of the cost comparison to powerstop.
Sure thing. I went with THmotorsports. The price was better through them than it was anywhere else I could find. Autoanything was close but still a bit higher.
You do have to actually add the items to the cart to see the price. It annoys me but hey, if the price is right, I'll deal with it. I think it was $516 total, for pads and rotors for all 4 corners. They were doing free shipping when I ordered too.
Front:
https://thmotorsports.com/ebc-brakes/ebc-brake-kit-s4-redstuff-and-usr-rotors/s4kf1635/i-2264825.aspx (https://thmotorsports.com/ebc-brakes/ebc-brake-kit-s4-redstuff-and-usr-rotors/s4kf1635/i-2264825.aspx)
Rear:
https://thmotorsports.com/ebc-brakes/ebc-brake-kit-s4-redstuff-and-usr-rotors/s4kr1384/i-2266320.aspx (https://thmotorsports.com/ebc-brakes/ebc-brake-kit-s4-redstuff-and-usr-rotors/s4kr1384/i-2266320.aspx)
I did THMotorsports as well.....
Z had posted links earlier to raceconsultingagency.com before. They seem to have the lowest shipped price of any vendor around. Worth a look.
Quote from: SHOdded on December 11, 2017, 05:47:44 PM
Z had posted links earlier to raceconsultingagency.com before. They seem to have the lowest shipped price of any vendor around. Worth a look.
Hmmm...That site looks very much like the THM site...I'm gonna guess they may be owned by the same company?
And $4.00 more...
I did THmotorsports also, I think S13 kit, Yellowstuff Pads EBC RK sport rotors just the fronts 187 shipped, best prices by far when I was shopping and had them in stock too...
Quote from: avidmotion on December 15, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
I did THmotorsports also, I think S13 kit, Yellowstuff Pads EBC RK sport rotors just the fronts 187 shipped, best prices by far when I was shopping and had them in stock too...
I think they'd be a good vendor to have on board...
It looks like we ran them out of rear kits, lol.
They are kindly sending out my sorely needed fronts and the rears will be along in a week or so.
Just in time for xmas!
Quote from: SHOdded on December 18, 2017, 08:52:37 PM
Just in time for xmas!
Yeah, just in time for the red powder coated calipers I just ordered too...
Aww man, so you went with the powder coat. That's gunna look so damn good. Sigh... going to be a bit jealous when I look back at my duplicolored calipers, lol.
Quote from: Agentlongwood on December 18, 2017, 11:40:46 PM
Aww man, so you went with the powder coat. That's gunna look so damn good. Sigh... going to be a bit jealous when I look back at my duplicolored calipers, lol.
I suspect unless somebody looks very closely yours will look just as good.
Love the yellowstuff pads but.....my mechanic while putting on the new struts noticed the pads he put on 2 months or 2,200 miles ago and commented that they are down 25% already.....wtf....I not race at track etc. I on par to get 18,000 to 20,000 miles out of the front set!
Quote from: avidmotion on December 26, 2017, 01:42:02 PM
Love the yellowstuff pads but.....my mechanic while putting on the new struts noticed the pads he put on 2 months or 2,200 miles ago and commented that they are down 25% already.....wtf....I not race at track etc. I on par to get 18,000 to 20,000 miles out of the front set!
I guess sometimes worn out struts, shocks will cause the brakes to wear out prematurely due to the overall weight factor shifting to the front when stopping causing excessive wear. Z
Both inner and outer? Slide pins greased regularly? They should last a lot longer.
I don't think 20k is bad for yellow stuff...They are a pretty aggressive pad....I have the yellows in the rear of my fusion and the bluestuff in the front...I expect more than 20k but I have them in the rear...If I don't get 20k from the front I'm ok with that also though.
You could do front pads in less than 2 hours from wheel on to wheel back on so I don't think that's bad...You could get some EBC green or red that would last much longer but not perform...Performance has it's cost.
Quote from: avidmotion on December 26, 2017, 01:42:02 PM
Love the yellowstuff pads but.....my mechanic while putting on the new struts noticed the pads he put on 2 months or 2,200 miles ago and commented that they are down 25% already.....wtf....I not race at track etc. I on par to get 18,000 to 20,000 miles out of the front set!
The Lincoln came with Yellowstuff and they are no joke, they are a
huge improvement to the weak gen 4.1 brakes. To make that much difference in an overweight and underbraked platform pretty much guarantees they aren't going to be a long lasting pad.
For me the initial bite is actually a little too aggressive, especially in snow and rain.
Hopefully the Redstuffs will be more linear and wear longer.
I ordered my brakes on 12/11 and still don't have them.
They were initially out of rear kits which was fine as the fronts are what need replaced, they said they'd split the shipment and send the fronts.
I reached out Tuesday and they said they would investigate and I'd hear back in 24 hours...didn't happen.
Called today, closed.
If I don't get these brakes quick i'm going to have to cancel and mate my pretty rotors with OEM 4.2 parts.
(Insert colorful expletives here)
Not good. Not good at all. Soon to be on the NAUGHTY list?
Quote from: SHOdded on December 29, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
Not good. Not good at all. Soon to be on the NAUGHTY list?
I'm currently in an email exchange with them.
It appears someone dropped the ball so we shall see how they handle it.
I will give them props for responding quickly during non business hours.
I'm not sure where all this 4.1 and 4.2 nomenclature came from....
But that terminology is INCORRECT.
I really wish those guys that are using it, STOP. Please.
Especially as new owners come on board, and into the SHO fold/family.
2010's through 2012's are GENERATION 4.
2013's to current MY's are GENERATION 5.
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I considered the change from 12' to 13' just a refresh hence the 4.1 and 4.2 name calling.
A complete overhaul was like the 12' fusion to the 13' fusion
Quote from: AJP turbo on December 29, 2017, 04:13:00 PM
I considered the change from 12' to 13' just a refresh hence the 4.1 and 4.2 name calling.
A complete overhaul was like the 12' fusion to the 13' fusion
Consider it what you want, officially from the long standing SHO Club, the GEN's are defined as I've outlined.
That organization names them, not I.
I simply provide the correct info, so these other "point" descriptions don't continue festering. That's all.
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SHO generation lesson.
89 to 91 Gen 1
92 to 95 Gen 2
96 to 99 Gen 3
10 to 12 Gen 4
13 to current model Gen 5
As some say the 13 to current model is just a refresh. So was the Gen 2 compared to the Gen 1. Lots of parts are interchangeable between the two. Those Generations arent refered to as Gen 1.1 or Gen 1.2. The only real changed in the SHO generations is the Gen 3. I've owned all generations of the SHO. This is how they are referred as.
Interesting....I see on wiki the current SHO listed as gen. 4
Well I like the .x designations just because a) Dolby, and b) engine oil jugs that say 5.1 LOL.
BUT yes, bamsho and bpd1151 are historically accurate. The Gen 5 is the longest running Gen yet.
I was corrected by the SHO club president in 2014 when I was getting ready to have tshirts made for Carlisle. I emailef him the back of the shirt image and he came back, you forgot the Gen 5. I asked him to clarify this. So he did.
Any updates on how you feel about this setup Agentlongwood? How many miles on the setup now and how is wear looking on the pads?
i'm considering the same setup so would like to have some long term feedback
To me the brakes feel great. It certainly stops hard, when needed. I had not done a full force panic-stop before I got the new pads and rotors, so I can't compare before and after for full force. In normal operation they feel about the same as factory. The USR rotors are 100% silent in normal driving. I have not heard a single squeak or any noise from the slotting. Until the black coating wore off the rotors they made a groaning noise. Took maybe 20 minutes of driving. It scared the crap out of me when I first put them on lol.
Once all the bedding in is done, the dust seems about the same as the factory pads. The instructions were to put 200 miles on them BEFORE bedding. So for that first 200 miles, and bedding procedure they put out a TON of dust. That dust seems to have been from the break in coating on the pads, and possibly the stuff on the rotors. But yeah, the wheels were filthy for that first 200 miles. Now it's fine, seems same as stock.
The bed in procedure was to brake hard 5 times from 60 down to 20, (if I remember right). I was pretty merciless, when I did this. I got on the brakes really hard when I did the bedding. And it really shocked me how hard the car stopped. I Again, I never did this before the new pads and rotors, so maybe it was good before... but damn, it stops hard now.
I did rotors and pads because when I went to the track, the car would shudder under braking from ~105mph. With the new setup it is perfectly smooth. It will still make a humming noise under medium-hard braking from above 100mph, but it is perfectly smooth, no shaking, no pedal pulsing. And It does feel like it is easier to slow down after crossing the finish at the track, but I cannot be sure that isn't placebo.
As for wear, I only have a little over 1000 miles on them. Mostly suburban driving with 1 trip to the drag strip. I'll be honest, I haven't looked at the pads yet to see if they are worn down, lol. But with so little driving I didn't think it would be any noticeable amount of wear.
If you have anything else you want to know that I missed, just let me know.
^Nope that about covers it. thanks a bunch for the prompt response!
Looks great! I installed Yellowstuff pads and EBC slotted/dimpled rotors and have been very pleased with their performance. Not sure that it is all that much better than the stock pads and rotors, but I thought the stock pads and rotors were OK. But then I was coming out of an F-150 that had disc fronts and drum rears, and you needed an anchor to get that thing stopped, and my Lincoln Mark LT with all discs, although some better certainly didn't stop as well as the stock SHO.
BTW, the only rotors that lasted more than 30K miles on my 150 were EBC, all the others I tried were gone in less miles.