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Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread - LOCKED
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 08:59:19 AM
So I suppose I need to start a build thread.. I am going to try to consolidate all my pictures, slips, dyno, and modification information in here.. hopefully it will help some!

This is a working thread... updates will be applied as I go....

2016 Taurus SHO with Performance Pack Purchased April 2018 with 7k miles from Ted Britt Ford Chantilly, VA Certified Pre-Owned.  Traded in my 2010 Meth Injected Taurus SHO.. side by side pics.
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 09:40:00 AM
First things first... 3BAR Map, LMS Tune, 160 Tstat, and Airaid...

My initial intent was to do a solid 3BAR tune and call it a day..
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 09:43:58 AM
After experiencing hesitation with the V11 tune from LMS, I went ahead and ordered their Firestorm HPFP. Mind you, I was planning on purchasing this anyway.. I also received their first version of the E30 tune.. After install I went to the track.. Also modified engine cover to fit the new pump.

Mods at this point:

3Bar, 160 Tstat, Airaid, Firestorm HPFP, and LMS E30 Tune. 12.799 car.

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Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 09:47:25 AM
Next up was getting the car lowered on HR springs. Very happy with the results! Alignment right after and then a follow up alignment after springs settled.

Shout to Murphy's Motorsports in Warrenton, VA!!

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 09:50:42 AM
Matt Robinson from GH reached out to me after seeing my slips and results with the LMS E30 tune and offered to tune my SHO. I spent some time thinking on it, he provided me a free tune to see if I liked it. I had already used his Methanol Tune on my 2010 and was impressed. I decided to give it a shot! Also updated to apple carplay by swapping out the USB hub.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
Track event at Capital Raceway in MD... First run with the Gearhead E30 tune.. currently mods were:

3BAR, SP-542, 160 Tstat, Firestorm HPFP, HR Springs, and GH E30 Tune..
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
LMS reached out to me to let me know there was an updated E30 Tune... I went ahead and purchased the new MyCalibratorTouch and received the Aggressive E30 tune from LMS. I also purchased the Gearhead intercooler and installed as well. Also had help from my buddy..

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 10:04:55 AM
Had a blast at Ford Nationals in Carlisle, PA with a few of the fastest SHO's out there! This was a blast! Made some really good friends, I highly recommend my fellow SHO enthusiasts to join when they can! 

Also had custom puddle lights made that shine the SHO logo!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 10:07:59 AM
Santa brought me an awesome present.. Corsa exhaust installed..

Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
Windows Tinted... LMS Catch Can installed...

Dyno and Track!!! Gearhead vs LMS heads up E30 tunes!

Mods at the time:

3BAR, SP-542, Airaid, 160Tstat, GH Intercooler, Firestorm HPFP, Corsa Exhaust, and HR Springs

Shout out to National Speed, Inc in Richmond, VA for the extra dyno time and patience! Elrich and Charlie were awesome!!!

Track was Maryland International Raceway.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 10:14:26 AM
Ethanol Analyzer, fresh plugs, custom fuel line,  EPP hot pipes, and torque mounts installed...GH Turbos ordered... install scheduled for Aprill 22nd 2019... 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 10:21:38 AM
Swapped the LMS Firestorm for the XDI-30 per tuners request. Matt Robinson did a 1:1 swap so it cost me nothing to swap them. Talk about customer service!!
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 10:24:35 AM
Car dropped off for GH turbo upgrades, EPP downpipe install, PTU flush, and updated dyno tuning!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 10:26:34 AM
SHO at National Speed, INC getting the turbo installed!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on April 23, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
God making this thread might take longer then building the car ;). Car is looking great awesome info you have put together here SBS. Can't wait to see what that beast does.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 23, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
Updated photos from National Speed, Inc install!!! Just received the call that the car is all buttoned up, test drive went really well, no leaks. Dyno next!!!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ZSHO on April 23, 2019, 07:08:34 PM
Congrats SBS!!! Looks really Nice!! EPIC-SHO in the making!  :thumb: Now for some Time Slips! Z
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: Agentlongwood on April 23, 2019, 10:41:00 PM
This is so damn cool.  But at the same time, the jealousy is real, lol.  One day.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on April 24, 2019, 08:47:25 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 23, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
Updated photos from National Speed, Inc install!!! Just received the call that the car is all buttoned up, test drive went really well, no leaks. Dyno next!!!

I smell the new quarter mile record about to happen here
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 24, 2019, 09:21:51 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 24, 2019, 08:47:25 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 23, 2019, 03:05:26 PM
Updated photos from National Speed, Inc install!!! Just received the call that the car is all buttoned up, test drive went really well, no leaks. Dyno next!!!

I smell the new quarter mile record about to happen here

It will be close, however could be short lived.
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 24, 2019, 12:00:09 PM
Picked up the SHO... dyno slips and video coming soon!

Needless to say... holy sho balls Batman!!!


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Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 24, 2019, 04:22:01 PM
Big shout out to Matt Robinson at Gearhead and National Speed, Inc in Richmond, VA!!

These runs were on the base tune Matt sent me for E30. I specifically asked for a 475awhp tune to start... there is plenty in it. Datalog was spotless just about!

One is corrected and the other is not...


Corrected

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Uncorrected

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 24, 2019, 04:37:37 PM
Heck yeah!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: Jordan on April 24, 2019, 05:29:14 PM
Heck yeah man! Looking good!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on April 25, 2019, 05:35:26 AM
She's truly one hell of a Wicked SHO now!!!  Awesome and very quick turnaround over there at National Speed! 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 08:14:14 AM
Ran into a problem with the XDI pump yesterday.

Drove the 100 mile trip from Richmond to my house... my buddy came with with me and drove my fiesta back. Drop the fiesta off and he gets in the SHO...  get of my neighborhood and into the highway.. no boost... nothing... no check engine lights... no acceleration... just flat dead.... barely gets enough load to move..

Limp it over to the gas station....

The left bolt on the XDI pump that holds the plate/spacer to the cam lobe snapped... which caused the right bolt to pop out of the cam lobe pedestal which stripped about a 1/4inch of threading from the top of the hole...

Oil went everywhere!

We were able to use a small screw driver to unscrew the broken bolt from the HPFP pedestal. We did not need a screw gun with an extractor. We got very lucky...

Verified that there was enough thread depth left on the right hole to support a new screw. We had plenty of thread depth left.

Stock screw is 1.0x35mm 1.00 pitch with a torx head. The new screw that comes with the XDI pump is a 6Mx1.0x35mm 1.00 pitch stainless steel A270 hardness...

I ended up with picking up some 6Mx1.0x40mm 1.00 pitch 12.9 hardness screws...

I decided to go with a longer stronger bolt as the black plate is also a spacer... so there is plenty of extra thread depth to make up for the stripped amount.

Pulled the cam guide for the pump and checked it along with the cam for scoring or damage. It all looked very clean with no damage. Had to pull the plugs on cylinder 4 and 5 to clean up the pooled oil/fuel....

Needless to say... this was HIGHLY disappointing.

Separation of pump from lobe...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190425/90c1ef7cecbf729fddabf304d4ae7b84.jpg)

Broken bolt still in pedestal...

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Stock bolt on left, broken on in middle, what it should be on right.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190425/cd63d07c9f2745b7b1d7eb3a71fd3b82.jpg)

New bolts...

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 25, 2019, 08:45:31 AM
Holy crap.  Grad you go the it sorted it out.  Do you see this being a problem again down the road?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: SM105K on April 25, 2019, 08:45:31 AM
Holy crap.  Grad you go the it sorted it out.  Do you see this being a problem again down the road?

I hope not...


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 09:06:45 AM
:o :o :o  Whew, that was a CLOSE one!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 09:06:45 AM
:o :o :o  Whew, that was a CLOSE one!

Yea it was...

I know there are performance differences between the XDI and the LMS pump. But I like how the LMS utilizes stock fuel lines and stock bolts for the plates.

At this point I'm checking this pump after every drive to verify it's staying in place.

If it pops out again, completely strips the pedestal, it will need to go to the shop for repairs... in which XDI will be receiving a phone call and bill.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 09:51:27 AM
My god SBS what a pain in the ass that is. Glad it turned into a sorta simple fix. Wonder if maybe a dab of low strength purple Loctite would help.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 09:51:27 AM
My god SBS what a pain in the ass that is. Glad it turned into a sorta simple fix. Wonder if maybe a dab of low strength purple Loctite would help.

That thing pushes 3000 psi from that spring... locktite ain't helping that lol!

The new bolts are longer, stronger, and better quality... should be OK. I hammered the snot out of it...still holding soo.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 10:11:13 AM
Time for some ARPs LOL
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 10:24:08 AM
Not exactly what I wanted to see after just paying the bill for the turbos and all the other work....

Good thing I hadn't eaten or I would have vomited probably..

Had my buddy who is a mechanic in the car with me... he kept me calm! Said bolts snap.. not the end of the world.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 10:36:23 AM
Lot of torque with that HPFP, we now know for sure LOL.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 25, 2019, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 10:36:23 AM
Lot of torque with that HPFP, we now know for sure LOL.

Since I am not worried about breaking my trans again, I wonder where the limit is before a rod gets kinked. I think a 500 hp/600 tq to the tire SHO would make for a interesting ride.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 11:44:36 AM
Quote from: SM105K on April 25, 2019, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 10:36:23 AM
Lot of torque with that HPFP, we now know for sure LOL.

Since I am not worried about breaking my trans again, I wonder where the limit is before a rod gets kinked. I think a 500 hp/600 tq to the tire SHO would make for a interesting ride.

Not sure? I'm running as high as I feel comfortable right now...

I know the highest HP SHO LMS let out the door on stock internals was 465awhp.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
What's going to be awesome is there's only I think 2 other SHOs in the US That will be a run for the money after your tuned , your on stock block and no meth  😂😂 pump gas only
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
What's going to be awesome is there's only I think 2 other SHOs in the US That will be a run for the money after your tuned , your on stock block and no meth  pump gas only

I appreciate the confidence! Track slips will help for sure. There are some pretty impressive SHO lately.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
What's going to be awesome is there's only I think 2 other SHOs in the US That will be a run for the money after your tuned , your on stock block and no meth  pump gas only

I appreciate the confidence! Track slips will help for sure. There are some pretty impressive SHO lately.


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I call bs on any track slip. No way your car can be fast and not tuned by ***.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
What's going to be awesome is there's only I think 2 other SHOs in the US That will be a run for the money after your tuned , your on stock block and no meth  pump gas only

I appreciate the confidence! Track slips will help for sure. There are some pretty impressive SHO lately.


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I call bs on any track slip. No way your car can be fast and not tuned by ***.

Parts procured by Nick Olson too!


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
What's going to be awesome is there's only I think 2 other SHOs in the US That will be a run for the money after your tuned , your on stock block and no meth  pump gas only

I appreciate the confidence! Track slips will help for sure. There are some pretty impressive SHO lately.


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I call bs on any track slip. No way your car can be fast and not tuned by ***.

Parts procured by Nick Olson too!


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hahaha not to muck up your thread to much. Im legit in tears that the companies name gets blocked. How could I forget Nick Olson. No idea how that power is getting down without his upgraded transmission lol.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 25, 2019, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
What's going to be awesome is there's only I think 2 other SHOs in the US That will be a run for the money after your tuned , your on stock block and no meth  pump gas only

I appreciate the confidence! Track slips will help for sure. There are some pretty impressive SHO lately.


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I call bs on any track slip. No way your car can be fast and not tuned by ***.

Parts procured by Nick Olson too!


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hahaha not to muck up your thread to much. Im legit in tears that the companies name gets blocked. How could I forget Nick Olson. No idea how that power is getting down without his upgraded transmission lol.

Who?  Sierra Sierra India?  My tune only car pump gas car has gone faster then most of their race gas cars...yawn.   
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 01:12:13 PM
Ok.. back on topic..

Pump is fixed... the car was way out of alignment.. I called National Speed, INC to let them know.. but being as I don't want to drive back there.. I went ahead and paid my go to shop to get it back in... Murphys Motorsports in Warrenton, VA... great place..

Their master tech took a look at everything, double checked the work that was done, had to make 2 hrs worth of adjustments to the cradle, suspension, etc.. but its all back into alignment..

Eric the tech said it looked good, no leaks, everything seems to be put back together correctly.. his one comment was they should have marked the cradle before removing it so they could have put it back where it was previously positioned.. would have made it A LOT easier to put back into alignment, if it even needed it.

Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 02:43:37 PM
Quote from: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 25, 2019, 11:53:36 AM
What's going to be awesome is there's only I think 2 other SHOs in the US That will be a run for the money after your tuned , your on stock block and no meth  pump gas only

I appreciate the confidence! Track slips will help for sure. There are some pretty impressive SHO lately.


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I call bs on any track slip. No way your car can be fast and not tuned by ***.

LOL 3 stars wonder what tuner has 3 letters
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 06:49:33 PM
VIDEO!!!!!! Video of my SHO on the Dyno at National Speed, Inc..

https://youtu.be/b1xjQSkiGmQ

Also picture of both the pre-dyno and after dyno with the gear head turbos..

Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 06:54:18 PM
Nice man. Car looks good, sounds good and makes awesome power. Damn I'm jealous. I wish you best of luck when you bring that beast to the track. PS those turbos sound awesome did I mention that lol.
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 25, 2019, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: shoNoff on April 25, 2019, 06:54:18 PM
Nice man. Car looks good, sounds good and makes awesome power. Damn I'm jealous. I wish you best of luck when you bring that beast to the track. PS those turbos sound awesome did I mention that lol.

I'm stoked! Hoping the track times are as good as it sounds...

Thanks!!!

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on April 26, 2019, 05:50:19 AM
Sounds really good!  That's crazy about the bolt breaking on the cam lobe!  Is that a first?  Never heard of anything like that happening.  National Speed's shop is so clean and nice, especially their dyno room, its cool how its set up.  Its like your on the other side of the operating table(dyno) watching through a wall of glass ...like in some scientific lab!  Overall seems like a good experience even though the car was out of alignment...instead of 5 stars they get 4.  I wish you smooth sailing after those intital hiccups and look forward to hearing nothing but fun and excitement as you drive around town and those track slips!  Really nice build SBS!  It came together fairly quickly too once you made up your mind with what you wanted to do with your SHO.  I'm glad you kept it. 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 08:28:22 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on April 26, 2019, 05:50:19 AM
Sounds really good!  That's crazy about the bolt breaking on the cam lobe!  Is that a first?  Never heard of anything like that happening.  National Speed's shop is so clean and nice, especially their dyno room, its cool how its set up.  Its like your on the other side of the operating table(dyno) watching through a wall of glass ...like in some scientific lab!  Overall seems like a good experience even though the car was out of alignment...instead of 5 stars they get 4.  I wish you smooth sailing after those intital hiccups and look forward to hearing nothing but fun and excitement as you drive around town and those track slips!  Really nice build SBS!  It came together fairly quickly too once you made up your mind with what you wanted to do with your SHO.  I'm glad you kept it.

Thanks! Their shop is nuts for sure! One of the cleanest shops I have EVER seen... as I said.. my wife was impressed with the shop and thats saying something! The alignment thing was an irritation for sure, but my local guys got it all back together after 2hrs of adjustments. This is something I have really have wanted to do for some time, so getting all the parts/pieces together in a logical way that was safe made sense.  Having to re-buy stuff that was on my 2010 was a bit frustrating.. but they offered me such a good deal on the trade in I wasn't about to kink the deal by asking for parts off it.. lol..

In any event.. I am taking a break from modifications for the time being as the next steps long term are gonna be Trans/PTU/RDU improvements.. Looking to source a used setup to send off to a good builder. Once the driveline is good, then I will look at a motor build, but again, that would be a ways down the road..

Only thing on the short list is a drop-in upgraded low pressure fuel pump to give the current setup a bit more headspace.. that low pressure pump right now is about 90% maxed out on E30 at the power levels I am in. If I wanted to overdrive it, Matt could but then its just a matter of time before it burns out. Would net me well over 500/500..

Drop-in fuel pump is a 15 minute swap, so the cost is just the pump which I can't imagine being more than a couple hundred bucks... soon I hope!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
All cleaned up after all the final work was completed!

Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 08:35:34 AM
More Pictures
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 26, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
You need to start taking that thang to local shows.  Maybe follow in bpd's footsteps, get some graphics done with backstory :)
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 26, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
You need to start taking that thang to local shows.  Maybe follow in bpd's footsteps, get some graphics done with backstory :)

BPD would make a great mentor for such an endeavor. Not sure I want to deal with all that though! lol.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 26, 2019, 10:22:16 AM
What, you hate groupies?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
https://youtu.be/XTq3yow8l9w

Updated Video with some edits..
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 12:22:30 PM
What the $h!t Michael.....

I failed to see you on the opposing side of the glass, mooning everybody.

LOL

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 12:28:39 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 12:22:30 PM
What the $h!t Michael.....

I failed to see you on the opposing side of the glass, mooning everybody.

LOL

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Unfortunately I was not there when they did the dyno... or perhaps a bit of moonage or maybe even a Fist Of Victory might have made its way into the video...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 12:35:55 PM


Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 12:28:39 PMFist Of Victory might have made its way into the video...

Ha! For sure!
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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 26, 2019, 12:38:59 PM
I am literally dying right now ^
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 12:35:55 PM


Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 12:28:39 PMFist Of Victory might have made its way into the video...

Ha! For sure!
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Interesting...

Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on April 26, 2019, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 12:35:55 PM


Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 12:28:39 PMFist Of Victory might have made its way into the video...

Ha! For sure!
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Interesting...

So when are you guys meeting at the track to go head to head after this tuning is complete?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 26, 2019, 03:03:02 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 12:35:55 PM


Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 12:28:39 PMFist Of Victory might have made its way into the video...

Ha! For sure!
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Interesting...

POST WHORES......both of yall.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 03:04:41 PM
Quote from: 18SHO on April 26, 2019, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 12:35:55 PM


Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 12:28:39 PMFist Of Victory might have made its way into the video...

Ha! For sure!
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Interesting...

So when are you guys meeting at the track to go head to head after this tuning is complete?

Would be a fun race for sure... although, I due suspect after the next battery of tuning Mike is going through, it would be very one sided.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
This is all I saw...... (circled in yellow).

I better cover my backside at the Nat's!

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
This is all I saw...... (circled in yellow).

I better cover my backside at the Nat's!

Haha!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/27a635f8d5a7aa994aac7fb9c5290eae.jpg)

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Must you always go that route?! LMAO...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: bpd1151 on April 26, 2019, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 03:07:11 PMMust you always go that route?! LMAO...

So sayeth the one who claims (& openly advertises) that he likes poking people.

Too funny. I need these laughs. Thank you.

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 26, 2019, 03:54:53 PM
Back on topic... less proverbial poking if you will...

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New shoes! On my way for mount/balance etc... old P-Zeros are just at the wear indicators... you can see the top of Lincoln's head lol...

Got a smoking deal on practically new P-Zeros from @18SHO!

Old ones have probably a few more thousand miles left in them... if you are daily driving it. Not in good shape for a track day, so off they go.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 26, 2019, 04:36:41 PM
I beg to differ.  Drive them a few thousand miles more till they emerge into their true mature form as slicks.  Track day, here we come!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on April 26, 2019, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 26, 2019, 03:54:53 PM
Back on topic... less proverbial poking if you will...

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New shoes! On my way for mount/balance etc... old P-Zeros are just at the wear indicators... you can see the top of Lincoln's head lol...

Got a smoking deal on practically new P-Zeros from @18SHO!

Old ones have probably a few more thousand miles left in them... if you are daily driving it. Not in good shape for a track day, so off they go.


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Glad they will be getting put to good use ! Almost no miles on them tires.  I bet on warm days and good track prep with about 28 psi on all 4 you'll be golden with traction!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ridered74 on April 27, 2019, 12:08:32 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 09:06:45 AM
:o :o :o  Whew, that was a CLOSE one!

Yea it was...

I know there are performance differences between the XDI and the LMS pump. But I like how the LMS utilizes stock fuel lines and stock bolts for the plates.

At this point I'm checking this pump after every drive to verify it's staying in place.

If it pops out again, completely strips the pedestal, it will need to go to the shop for repairs... in which XDI will be receiving a phone call and bill.


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That sucks. If it happens again I can get you a heck of a deal on the firestorm pump.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 27, 2019, 06:55:10 AM
Quote from: ridered74 on April 27, 2019, 12:08:32 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 09:06:45 AM
:o :o :o  Whew, that was a CLOSE one!

Yea it was...

I know there are performance differences between the XDI and the LMS pump. But I like how the LMS utilizes stock fuel lines and stock bolts for the plates.

At this point I'm checking this pump after every drive to verify it's staying in place.

If it pops out again, completely strips the pedestal, it will need to go to the shop for repairs... in which XDI will be receiving a phone call and bill.


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That sucks. If it happens again I can get you a heck of a deal on the firestorm pump.

This literally crossed my mind last night... lol


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ridered74 on April 27, 2019, 07:56:56 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 27, 2019, 06:55:10 AM
Quote from: ridered74 on April 27, 2019, 12:08:32 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 09:06:45 AM
:o :o :o  Whew, that was a CLOSE one!

Yea it was...

I know there are performance differences between the XDI and the LMS pump. But I like how the LMS utilizes stock fuel lines and stock bolts for the plates.

At this point I'm checking this pump after every drive to verify it's staying in place.

If it pops out again, completely strips the pedestal, it will need to go to the shop for repairs... in which XDI will be receiving a phone call and bill.


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That sucks. If it happens again I can get you a heck of a deal on the firestorm pump.

This literally crossed my mind last night... lol


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I wouldn't sell it to anyone else until I can put it on my car and verify it works with my own eyes. I'm just weird like that...it will probably be a few weeks before I do that, so you have plenty of time to test out your new bolts. Hahahaha!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 27, 2019, 02:23:06 PM
Quote from: ridered74 on April 27, 2019, 07:56:56 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 27, 2019, 06:55:10 AM
Quote from: ridered74 on April 27, 2019, 12:08:32 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 25, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2019, 09:06:45 AM
:o :o :o  Whew, that was a CLOSE one!

Yea it was...

I know there are performance differences between the XDI and the LMS pump. But I like how the LMS utilizes stock fuel lines and stock bolts for the plates.

At this point I'm checking this pump after every drive to verify it's staying in place.

If it pops out again, completely strips the pedestal, it will need to go to the shop for repairs... in which XDI will be receiving a phone call and bill.


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That sucks. If it happens again I can get you a heck of a deal on the firestorm pump.

This literally crossed my mind last night... lol


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I wouldn't sell it to anyone else until I can put it on my car and verify it works with my own eyes. I'm just weird like that...it will probably be a few weeks before I do that, so you have plenty of time to test out your new bolts. Hahahaha!

I'm the one that sold you that pump... I know it works cause I pulled it off my car, stuck it in a box, and shipped it to you lol.....

Bubble wrapped, plugged, and sealed... almost sounds kinky...


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on April 27, 2019, 04:08:21 PM
It IS kinky!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on April 27, 2019, 04:50:33 PM
I still think the pump needs to come to me. I want to make sure it works at sea level.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 27, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
Noticed some seepage around the HPFP after the fiasco of the bolt breaking...

Removed pump...

Found the gasket between the spacer and stock plate to be torn. Probably damaged after the initial incident but fully deteriorated after being put back together...

Also cause I'm paranoid I quadrupole checked the threading on the right side, still have plenty of good thread left.

Double checked all gaskets for the 6th time...

Bolted all back together with new O-ring. Test drive and reinspect turned out good...

Thus far my impression of the XDI pump itself is good, datalogs show it's holding pressure better than the LMS pump. However, the hardware that comes with it is junk.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 27, 2019, 08:46:23 PM
So took her on a road test....

Matt needs to make some small adjustments as the car is very boost happy. Boost is creeping up enough past demanded at part throttle the wastegates are dumping the boost thinking something is off...  only happens around 4-5psi steady state..

Otherwise thing runs like a top now!

One of my buddies wants to trailer it to MIR for a track night... seems silly but hey... saves me gas an miles...

Slips coming soon I hope!


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 27, 2019, 10:18:21 PM
Time to start laying down some rubber!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 29, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
So being as I am never satisfied with anything... I decided to dig a bit deeper into why the bolt failed on the XDI-30 HPFP... the bolt supplied are A2-70 stainless steel.. these bolts are used to connect the black spacer plate to the pedestal on the head for the HPFP...

This is a downgrade from the stock bolts. Which I believe are Metric 12.9 grade bolts.

Found this interesting read here...  note at the bottom of the page are applications in which a A2-70 bolt WOULD NOT apply..

http://www.volksbolts.com/faq/basics.htm (http://www.volksbolts.com/faq/basics.htm)

Where Should I NOT Use A2-70 Stainless Steel Bolts ?

A2-70 Should Not Be Used In Heavily Loaded Mechanical Or Structural Areas.

Areas Of Direct Loading On The Suspension.

Areas Of Direct Loading On The Steering Column And Linkages.

Active Engine Componets (Con-Rods, Crank Shaft, Clutch, Transmission & Power Off-Takes)

Active Gearbox And Power-Train Components



Where Can I Use A2-70 Stainless Steel Bolts ?

   
A2-70 Can Be Safely Used To Hold Car Body Panels And Bumpers; Wing (Fender) Bolts, Hinge Bolts, Handles, Locks, Light Fittings Etc.

A2-70 Can Be Safely Used On Non-Mechanically Loaded Engine Components Where A Simple Clamping Action Is Required (Subject To Torque Limitations).
i.e: Inlet & Exhaust Manifold Attachment, Ancilliary Attachment, Pipe Clamps, Flange Joining etc.

A2-70 Can Also Be Used For Securing Access Panels, Cover Plates And Accessory Items To The Vehicle.



Basically, my pump was shipped with incorrect bolts for the application in which it was designed to be used. Unfortunately the space plate isn't bored out enough to use the stock bolts are the heads are too big...

If anyone is looking to pickup an XDI-30 pumps, I highly suggest you picking up the correct the parts... I am also emailing XDI this information as well... they should know however.. very disappointing...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 29, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
I would be raising hell right now.  Complete bullshit that they charge what they charge and then send junk hardware.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 29, 2019, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: SM105K on April 29, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
I would be raising hell right now.  Complete bullshit that they charge what they charge and then send junk hardware.

A polite but firm email has been sent to XDI with pictures of the event. At this point, unless they want to foot the bill for a new pedestal on bank2.. I am not sure what good it will do.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on April 29, 2019, 10:10:35 AM
They should foot the bill.  Their product caused the damage. 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 29, 2019, 10:53:55 AM
Just confirmed with National Speed, Inc.. they didn't touch the pump. Which I expected as there would be no reason to remove it for a turbo/dp install. Just covering bases...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 5ohSHO on April 29, 2019, 12:14:59 PM
Glad I read all this stuff about the pump. I'm planning on ordering one soon. Sucks that you had to experience all that though.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 29, 2019, 12:17:06 PM
Quote from: 5ohSHO on April 29, 2019, 12:14:59 PM
Glad I read all this stuff about the pump. I'm planning on ordering one soon. Sucks that you had to experience all that though.

I would just use different bolts than what it comes it. M6x1.0x35 (or 40mm if you want to be super safe) 12.9 strength. Thread pitch 1.00.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on April 29, 2019, 06:56:54 PM
Honestly I'd be rip s***! For what they charge for that pump, they can't give you some decent hardware. A metric 12.9 bolt has the minimal tensile strength of like 1200mpa I believe. A friggin a2 is somewhere around 500-600mpa if I'm correct. That thing should be holding on fenders and stuff not a friggin hpfp. Hopefully they change this. There is no way you are the first to break one if that's what they send.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ZSHO on April 30, 2019, 06:41:15 PM
I'm sure your itching to hit the Track SBS! Glad you were able to resolve the issue with the XDI- HPFP and catch it on time without a Hitch!! Best of luck to ya. Z
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 6500rpm on April 30, 2019, 10:33:27 PM
Speed reading late, so I haven't read the whole thread but I saw that the HPFP bolts snapped. We had a HPFP recall on the F150's last year (about 50 involved in the fleet) and had no less than 3 of the mounting bolts break off at install fwiw. Recall kit came with new bolts that had loc-tite on them, new pump and hard line. Very specific torque to yield specs and tightened using Snap On digital torque wrench w/ in/ft lbs and angle. Generally speaking, they could have used a larger diameter bolt and the pre loc-tite treated bolts don't help things. (Ford loves that s***).
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 01, 2019, 12:11:36 AM
I got a response back from the owner of XDI. I must say they are being very helpful. Additionally all pumps being shipped out are now going to come with zinc coated 12.9 grade m6x1.0x35mm bolts. This should prevent any bolt snapping issues in the future.



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Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 01, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
So I might have told a lie... maybe a motor build might be in the near future... with a TC upgrade..

Getting quotes this week..


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: Jordan on May 02, 2019, 12:24:12 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 01, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
So I might have told a lie... maybe a motor build might be in the near future... with a TC upgrade..

Getting quotes this week..


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 02, 2019, 05:19:10 AM
At least you're telling on yourself this time lol!  If I could I would!  Its going to be awesome not only with an upgraded motor to handle all the power you can throw at it which is wayyy better for longevity and overall reliability but we definitely all want to know what a well engineered upgraded tc can do!  I'm excited for the day when it comes! 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: J-Will on May 02, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 01, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
So I might have told a lie... maybe a motor build might be in the near future... with a TC upgrade..

Getting quotes this week..


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Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 02, 2019, 08:50:26 PM
Quote from: J-Will on May 02, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 01, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
So I might have told a lie... maybe a motor build might be in the near future... with a TC upgrade..

Getting quotes this week..


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That escalated fast

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 02, 2019, 11:32:10 PM
So Matt and I have been working together the past couple days on some really neat stuff in the tuning department...

Pretty cutting edge I must say... the car pulls even harder through the gears than it did with the base tune...

Matt now has access to custom parameters that no one else does at this point based on his work with SCT.... just sayin....

Track in a couple weeks weather depending.




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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 03, 2019, 05:56:31 AM
Sick!  Awesome man GH has been extremely cutting edge as of late!  Always good when you come across the "Not ****ing around crew"!  Please go to the track now Sir the suspense is too intense!  That and BPD's whip is off the grid!  At area 51 or some $hit lol I can't sleep at night
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ddlopes on May 03, 2019, 06:05:59 AM
First off your build is top notch. I think building the motor to support your power output is a very smart move. My car made 433hp and 513trq on the dyno. Later that day on my way home from the dyno I decide to goose the throttle going from 70 mph to 90ish. Shortly afterwards I heard a loud bang. Yup.... sent a rod threw the block. Now on the dyno it had zero knock. Meth tank was topped off just prior to being strapped on the dyno. At the time it blew up there was no knock. I say that because my aerospace gauges flash a red light when I get 1 degree of knock. When I got the car home I tested the meth system and it was working as it should. I'm not sure exactly what caused it but, I believe the stock rods aren't made to support the amount of power we wanna put on them. I know there's guys out there making big power with no issues but it may just not be there time yet. In my case I added approximately another 140hp and 240trq over a stock engine. That's asking a lot of the stock rods that aren't forged. Now lucky for me Ford replaced the motor and turbos. It wasn't easy but I got them to do it. I'm saving up now to upgrade the internals. I got a quote of around $7500... to bullet proof it. I wish you the best with your build. You'll definitely get 11's very soon... awesome build!!!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 08:45:19 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 03, 2019, 05:56:31 AM
Sick!  Awesome man GH has been extremely cutting edge as of late!  Always good when you come across the "Not ****ing around crew"!  Please go to the track now Sir the suspense is too intense!  That and BPD's whip is off the grid!  At area 51 or some $hit lol I can't sleep at night

I know what is going on with BPD's car......

SBS, yeah get to the CHOPPPAAAAAAA!  I mean..TTTRRRRAAAAACCCCKKKKKK!!!!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: ddlopes on May 03, 2019, 06:05:59 AM
First off your build is top notch. I think building the motor to support your power output is a very smart move. My car made 433hp and 513trq on the dyno. Later that day on my way home from the dyno I decide to goose the throttle going from 70 mph to 90ish. Shortly afterwards I heard a loud bang. Yup.... sent a rod threw the block. Now on the dyno it had zero knock. Meth tank was topped off just prior to being strapped on the dyno. At the time it blew up there was no knock. I say that because my aerospace gauges flash a red light when I get 1 degree of knock. When I got the car home I tested the meth system and it was working as it should. I'm not sure exactly what caused it but, I believe the stock rods aren't made to support the amount of power we wanna put on them. I know there's guys out there making big power with no issues but it may just not be there time yet. In my case I added approximately another 140hp and 240trq over a stock engine. That's asking a lot of the stock rods that aren't forged. Now lucky for me Ford replaced the motor and turbos. It wasn't easy but I got them to do it. I'm saving up now to upgrade the internals. I got a quote of around $7500... to bullet proof it. I wish you the best with your build. You'll definitely get 11's very soon... awesome build!!!

Trying to not go off topic....but you hucking a rod sounds like a catastrophic LSPI event.  More and more information is coming out that alcohol based fuels (including meth and pump) are shown to be suspect of these events.  There are articles posted by Shodded about this on this site.  This has lead me to step away from E30 and move to 100 octane Sunoco GT 260 for my fuel. 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: ddlopes on May 03, 2019, 06:05:59 AM
First off your build is top notch. I think building the motor to support your power output is a very smart move. My car made 433hp and 513trq on the dyno. Later that day on my way home from the dyno I decide to goose the throttle going from 70 mph to 90ish. Shortly afterwards I heard a loud bang. Yup.... sent a rod threw the block. Now on the dyno it had zero knock. Meth tank was topped off just prior to being strapped on the dyno. At the time it blew up there was no knock. I say that because my aerospace gauges flash a red light when I get 1 degree of knock. When I got the car home I tested the meth system and it was working as it should. I'm not sure exactly what caused it but, I believe the stock rods aren't made to support the amount of power we wanna put on them. I know there's guys out there making big power with no issues but it may just not be there time yet. In my case I added approximately another 140hp and 240trq over a stock engine. That's asking a lot of the stock rods that aren't forged. Now lucky for me Ford replaced the motor and turbos. It wasn't easy but I got them to do it. I'm saving up now to upgrade the internals. I got a quote of around $7500... to bullet proof it. I wish you the best with your build. You'll definitely get 11's very soon... awesome build!!!

Trying to not go off topic....but you hucking a rod sounds like a catastrophic LSPI event.  More and more information is coming out that alcohol based fuels (including meth and pump) are shown to be suspect of these events.  There are articles posted by Shodded about this on this site.  This has lead me to step away from E30 and move to 100 octane Sunoco GT 260 for my fuel.


Interesting read... from my brief overview.. it appears that E30 is the best blend overall to prevent LSPI... once you approach E50 the risk of LSPI increases drastically.

https://ethanolrfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Literature-Review-of-Ethanol-Use-for-High-Octane-Fuels.pdf
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: ddlopes on May 03, 2019, 06:05:59 AM
First off your build is top notch. I think building the motor to support your power output is a very smart move. My car made 433hp and 513trq on the dyno. Later that day on my way home from the dyno I decide to goose the throttle going from 70 mph to 90ish. Shortly afterwards I heard a loud bang. Yup.... sent a rod threw the block. Now on the dyno it had zero knock. Meth tank was topped off just prior to being strapped on the dyno. At the time it blew up there was no knock. I say that because my aerospace gauges flash a red light when I get 1 degree of knock. When I got the car home I tested the meth system and it was working as it should. I'm not sure exactly what caused it but, I believe the stock rods aren't made to support the amount of power we wanna put on them. I know there's guys out there making big power with no issues but it may just not be there time yet. In my case I added approximately another 140hp and 240trq over a stock engine. That's asking a lot of the stock rods that aren't forged. Now lucky for me Ford replaced the motor and turbos. It wasn't easy but I got them to do it. I'm saving up now to upgrade the internals. I got a quote of around $7500... to bullet proof it. I wish you the best with your build. You'll definitely get 11's very soon... awesome build!!!

Trying to not go off topic....but you hucking a rod sounds like a catastrophic LSPI event.  More and more information is coming out that alcohol based fuels (including meth and pump) are shown to be suspect of these events.  There are articles posted by Shodded about this on this site.  This has lead me to step away from E30 and move to 100 octane Sunoco GT 260 for my fuel.


Interesting read... from my brief overview.. it appears that E30 is the best blend overall to prevent LSPI... once you approach E50 the risk of LSPI increases drastically.

https://ethanolrfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Literature-Review-of-Ethanol-Use-for-High-Octane-Fuels.pdf (https://ethanolrfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Literature-Review-of-Ethanol-Use-for-High-Octane-Fuels.pdf)

This article says the opposite. The higher the ethanol content LSPI events decrease. I have copied and pasted the summary and conclusion below.  The way I know Ethanol works runs in line with the summary below.  So much in fact, I am willing to spend double the amount of money for a gallon of fuel.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Influence+of+Ethanol+Blends+on+Low+Speed+Pre-Ignition+in...-a0528616644 (https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Influence+of+Ethanol+Blends+on+Low+Speed+Pre-Ignition+in...-a0528616644)

SUMMARY & CONCLUSIONS

This study analyzes the influence of ethanol fuel blends on low speed pre-ignition events in a direct-injection turbo charged gasoline engine with a homogeneous ([lambda] = 1) common rail high pressure injection system, side mounted multi-hole injectors and dual variable valve timing. The investigated blends include E10, E20, E30 and E50 fuels. The following conclusions can be derived from this study:

Ethanol content seems to impact the LSPI number significantly in this side injected GTDI engine. LSPI occurrence increases in this study up to the maximum tested level of 50% ethanol. However, the gradient of increase decreases with higher ethanol content. The reason for this behavior is believed to be a trade-off between the increased in-cylinder cooling at high ethanol rates versus the decreased evaporation of ethanol blends. The low vapor pressure of ethanol, the increased charge cooling and the higher amount of injected fuel at constant lambda could lead to increased wall impingement in this side injected DI engine. The higher wall impingement may then lead to higher local fuel dilution, a decrease in oil viscosity and surface tension that subsquently leads to more frequent oil/fuel droplets blown or thrown into the combustion chamber. The increased laminar flame speed of ethanol blends as well as their reduced ignition energy requirement will lead in addition to higher LSPI numbers. The crank angle resolved FFID measurements confirm this theory to an extent that the measurements can be utilized to predict severe pre-ignition events based on gaseous THC emission spikes during gas exchange. More work is needed to fully understand this phenomenon though.

LSPI cycles with higher ethanol content fuels show strongly reduced engine knock. This behavior is caused by the high octane rating of the high ethanol level blends. The result leads to the conclusion that the knock behavior after pre-ignition is comparable to conventional spark knock and strongly impacted by fuel characteristics. The pressure characteristics from the higher ethanol content fuels also indicate that pre-ignition by itself, albeit unfavorable for engine efficiency, may not be mechanically critical if no subsequent knock occurs.

When combining these two results, E20 and E30 ethanol blends have to be considered critical fuels regarding LSPI in this study. These ethanol blends seem to increase the overall LSPI number while not mitigating mega knock to the necessary extent. This results in both high LSPI numbers and a high number of violent knock events.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on May 03, 2019, 11:03:08 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 10:07:32 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: ddlopes on May 03, 2019, 06:05:59 AM
First off your build is top notch. I think building the motor to support your power output is a very smart move. My car made 433hp and 513trq on the dyno. Later that day on my way home from the dyno I decide to goose the throttle going from 70 mph to 90ish. Shortly afterwards I heard a loud bang. Yup.... sent a rod threw the block. Now on the dyno it had zero knock. Meth tank was topped off just prior to being strapped on the dyno. At the time it blew up there was no knock. I say that because my aerospace gauges flash a red light when I get 1 degree of knock. When I got the car home I tested the meth system and it was working as it should. I'm not sure exactly what caused it but, I believe the stock rods aren't made to support the amount of power we wanna put on them. I know there's guys out there making big power with no issues but it may just not be there time yet. In my case I added approximately another 140hp and 240trq over a stock engine. That's asking a lot of the stock rods that aren't forged. Now lucky for me Ford replaced the motor and turbos. It wasn't easy but I got them to do it. I'm saving up now to upgrade the internals. I got a quote of around $7500... to bullet proof it. I wish you the best with your build. You'll definitely get 11's very soon... awesome build!!!

Trying to not go off topic....but you hucking a rod sounds like a catastrophic LSPI event.  More and more information is coming out that alcohol based fuels (including meth and pump) are shown to be suspect of these events.  There are articles posted by Shodded about this on this site.  This has lead me to step away from E30 and move to 100 octane Sunoco GT 260 for my fuel.


Interesting read... from my brief overview.. it appears that E30 is the best blend overall to prevent LSPI... once you approach E50 the risk of LSPI increases drastically.

https://ethanolrfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Literature-Review-of-Ethanol-Use-for-High-Octane-Fuels.pdf (https://ethanolrfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Literature-Review-of-Ethanol-Use-for-High-Octane-Fuels.pdf)

This article says the opposite. The higher the ethanol content LSPI events decrease. I have copied and pasted the summary and conclusion below.  The way I know Ethanol works runs in line with the summary below.  So much in fact, I am willing to spend double the amount of money for a gallon of fuel.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Influence+of+Ethanol+Blends+on+Low+Speed+Pre-Ignition+in...-a0528616644 (https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Influence+of+Ethanol+Blends+on+Low+Speed+Pre-Ignition+in...-a0528616644)

SUMMARY & CONCLUSIONS

This study analyzes the influence of ethanol fuel blends on low speed pre-ignition events in a direct-injection turbo charged gasoline engine with a homogeneous ([lambda] = 1) common rail high pressure injection system, side mounted multi-hole injectors and dual variable valve timing. The investigated blends include E10, E20, E30 and E50 fuels. The following conclusions can be derived from this study:

Ethanol content seems to impact the LSPI number significantly in this side injected GTDI engine. LSPI occurrence increases in this study up to the maximum tested level of 50% ethanol. However, the gradient of increase decreases with higher ethanol content. The reason for this behavior is believed to be a trade-off between the increased in-cylinder cooling at high ethanol rates versus the decreased evaporation of ethanol blends. The low vapor pressure of ethanol, the increased charge cooling and the higher amount of injected fuel at constant lambda could lead to increased wall impingement in this side injected DI engine. The higher wall impingement may then lead to higher local fuel dilution, a decrease in oil viscosity and surface tension that subsquently leads to more frequent oil/fuel droplets blown or thrown into the combustion chamber. The increased laminar flame speed of ethanol blends as well as their reduced ignition energy requirement will lead in addition to higher LSPI numbers. The crank angle resolved FFID measurements confirm this theory to an extent that the measurements can be utilized to predict severe pre-ignition events based on gaseous THC emission spikes during gas exchange. More work is needed to fully understand this phenomenon though.

LSPI cycles with higher ethanol content fuels show strongly reduced engine knock. This behavior is caused by the high octane rating of the high ethanol level blends. The result leads to the conclusion that the knock behavior after pre-ignition is comparable to conventional spark knock and strongly impacted by fuel characteristics. The pressure characteristics from the higher ethanol content fuels also indicate that pre-ignition by itself, albeit unfavorable for engine efficiency, may not be mechanically critical if no subsequent knock occurs.

When combining these two results, E20 and E30 ethanol blends have to be considered critical fuels regarding LSPI in this study. These ethanol blends seem to increase the overall LSPI number while not mitigating mega knock to the necessary extent. This results in both high LSPI numbers and a high number of violent knock events.


LSPI failures are based upon the root cause with the direct injection motors the engine oil . We all should be running Amsoil SS only in our cars because it's designed to prevent it from ever happening no matter the fuel . Wrong engine oil combined with wrong plugs causing combustion delay and ethanol content which needs higher amounts of fuel to create combustion compared to regular gas can cause this. Only run engine oil designed for direct injection. I've done plenty of research on this issue myself.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 11:28:23 AM
I think only saying we should run Amsoil is silly.  There are numerous oils out there that have been tested that are just a good as Amsoil at half the price. 

From what I am seeing oil with a good synthetic base with (lower) sodium and calcium is the ticket.  Poor quality fuel, over fueling at idle, pro longed idle, and prolonged oil life also attribute to LPSI.  Good fuel, minimal pro longed idling, and frequent oil changes with a good oil (I change mine everything 3k mile) helps.  Also a good CC is recommended.

Lots of good info....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html) provided by Shodded.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 11:31:16 AM
I wonder how many eblended GDI motors have popped due to LSPI? Would be an interesting number...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 11:31:16 AM
I wonder how many eblended GDI motors have popped due to LSPI? Would be an interesting number...


I would say quite a few, because it is becoming more and more of a topic.

SBS, I dont want to clutter your post.  However, I know this is going to be seen a lot and I believe a lot of good information can be shared through your build.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 11:31:16 AM
I wonder how many eblended GDI motors have popped due to LSPI? Would be an interesting number...


I would say quite a few, because it is becoming more and more of a topic.

SBS, I dont want to clutter your post.  However, I know this is going to be seen a lot and I believe a lot of good information can be shared through your build.

Oh I am not worried, I have always been a proponent of shared knowledge. Good discussions benefit all!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on May 03, 2019, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 11:28:23 AM
I think only saying we should run Amsoil is silly.  There are numerous oils out there that have been tested that are just a good as Amsoil at half the price. 

From what I am seeing oil with a good synthetic base with (lower) sodium and calcium is the ticket.  Poor quality fuel, over fueling at idle, pro longed idle, and prolonged oil life also attribute to LPSI.  Good fuel, minimal pro longed idling, and frequent oil changes with a good oil (I change mine everything 3k mile) helps.  Also a good CC is recommended.

Lots of good info....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html) provided by Shodded.

Not saying Amsoil is the only oil to use there's others , but Amsoil had the most testing done and it protects 100% against LSPI , Direct injection and motor oil choice are crucial for life and longevity along with frequent oil changes. No long intervals.  Cost money to get it but cheap insurance to keep that motor putting the power and boost down to the ground. Other oil choices will specify for direct injection but no one has more testing then Amsoil. I could be wrong but I havnt see any other like it. I agree fuel quality can be an issue and idling for long time can be but you'll see some terrible knock readings .

https://www.amsoil.com/lander/new-amsoil-signature-series/ (https://www.amsoil.com/lander/new-amsoil-signature-series/)
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 02:55:33 PM
Update on the build...

"Final" tuning is all completed! Over the past couple days Matt has been working on tweaking the parameters in the tune to optimize the current setup since the Dyno was a base tune for the upgraded turbos. Not really adding additional power, but optimizing the current power production for sure. Runs phenomenal.

HUGE SHOUT OUT to Matt Robinson at Gearhead for spending the past couple nights going back forth with logs and tunes! If anyone knows a way to ship alcohol to TX, let me know!

Next will be a few runs at the track with datalogging to see if there are any additional areas for improvement. Until then, its just going to be enjoying this beast of a car.. and maybe putting a GH banner on it... maybe...

Funny... I was doing a multigear pull and I had no clue the Focus next to me was an ST.. nor that he was trying to run me, figured he was just cruising as he was so far behind.. guy pulls up next to me as I get off the highway and gives me a huge thumbs up...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: 18SHO on May 03, 2019, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 11:28:23 AM
I think only saying we should run Amsoil is silly.  There are numerous oils out there that have been tested that are just a good as Amsoil at half the price. 

From what I am seeing oil with a good synthetic base with (lower) sodium and calcium is the ticket.  Poor quality fuel, over fueling at idle, pro longed idle, and prolonged oil life also attribute to LPSI.  Good fuel, minimal pro longed idling, and frequent oil changes with a good oil (I change mine everything 3k mile) helps.  Also a good CC is recommended.

Lots of good info....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html) provided by Shodded.

Not saying Amsoil is the only oil to use there's others , but Amsoil had the most testing done and it protects 100% against LSPI , Direct injection and motor oil choice are crucial for life and longevity along with frequent oil changes. No long intervals.  Cost money to get it but cheap insurance to keep that motor putting the power and boost down to the ground. Other oil choices will specify for direct injection but no one has more testing then Amsoil. I could be wrong but I havnt see any other like it. I agree fuel quality can be an issue and idling for long time can be but you'll see some terrible knock readings .

https://www.amsoil.com/lander/new-amsoil-signature-series/ (https://www.amsoil.com/lander/new-amsoil-signature-series/)

I get what you are saying 100 percent. 

However, who did the testing of Amsoil?  On the site it says:

3Based on independent testing of AMSOIL Signature Series 5w-30 motor oil in the LSPI engine test as required for the GM dexos 1® Gen 2 specification.

No where can I find that they linked the tester.  I have a problem with that.

In this document it shows the Amsoil is high in calcium...which is a no-no in the LSPI world.  It has the highest calcium of all tested. 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264)

I am personally switch to Castrol Edge.  Becasue it is low in calcuim and sodium. 

Shodded dropped bombs of info in this thread....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5981.msg133120.html#msg133120 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5981.msg133120.html#msg133120)

Profound in that article was this statement which I copied in that thread....

https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/oil-composition-direct-injection-low-speed-knock/ (https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/oil-composition-direct-injection-low-speed-knock/)

"It has nothing to do with the amount of oil in the combustion chamber, or if the engine is consuming oil or not. There's going to be oil in the upper ring zone in every properly lubricated engine. It's a question of whether the oil in the upper ring zone has a tendency to hold fuel, or not. If the fuel mixes with the oil, and the oil creates an emulsion, if you will, where it holds the fuel in the oil, that's where things can begin to go bad," says Speed.

Profound, and easily interpreted.

With so much info, what is correct?  Who is correct? 


Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 03:08:40 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 02:55:33 PM
Update on the build...

"Final" tuning is all completed! Over the past couple days Matt has been working on tweaking the parameters in the tune to optimize the current setup since the Dyno was a base tune for the upgraded turbos. Not really adding additional power, but optimizing the current power production for sure. Runs phenomenal.

HUGE SHOUT OUT to Matt Robinson at Gearhead for spending the past couple nights going back forth with logs and tunes! If anyone knows a way to ship alcohol to TX, let me know!

Next will be a few runs at the track with datalogging to see if there are any additional areas for improvement. Until then, its just going to be enjoying this beast of a car.. and maybe putting a GH banner on it... maybe...

Funny... I was doing a multigear pull and I had no clue the Focus next to me was an ST.. nor that he was trying to run me, figured he was just cruising as he was so far behind.. guy pulls up next to me as I get off the highway and gives me a huge thumbs up...

Nice, it is sounding like more and more the upgrades are worth it.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on May 03, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
In this document it shows the Amsoil is high in calcium...which is a no-no in the LSPI world.  It has the highest calcium of all tested. 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264)
That was an old Amsoil formulation, pre-Nov 2017 or so.  Just make sure if you are buying from a retailer, that the datestamp is Dec 2017 or better.  They do not code the datestamps so it is easy to tell.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 03, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
In this document it shows the Amsoil is high in calcium...which is a no-no in the LSPI world.  It has the highest calcium of all tested. 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264)
That was an old Amsoil formulation, pre-Nov 2017 or so.  Just make sure if you are buying from a retailer, that the datestamp is Dec 2017 or better.  They do not code the datestamps so it is easy to tell.

You are the man when it comes to this.  Can you tell us who was the independent tester that Amsoil used and is claiming:

"Low-speed pre-ignition is the spontaneous ignition of the fuel/air mixture prior to spark-triggered ignition. This phenomenon is much more destructive than typical pre-ignition and has become one of the latest challenges to arise in today's advanced engines. Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil has been armed with an advanced detergent system and achieved 100% protection against LSPI. "

Have they figured out a way to completely keep the fuel from emulsifying with the oil in the upper ring zone? 

Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....

You married?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....

You married?

Separated....I know where you are going with this.....lol. 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:45:34 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....

You married?

Separated....I know where you are going with this.....lol.

That comment literally made me LOL.... cause yes..
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on May 03, 2019, 06:01:26 PM
I do not know the independent lab Amsoil is using in their claims.  But Oil Analyzers or Polaris are the likely candidates. AFAIK, Oil Analyzers is a division of Amsoil, but I don't see much mention of this in the literature.
https://allsynoil.com/oil_analysis.html (https://allsynoil.com/oil_analysis.html)
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-5w-20-racing-oil/ (https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-5w-20-racing-oil/)
"Oil Analyzers Inc®. (715-395-0222) is a division of AMSOIL that provides cost-effective, quality oil analysis services"

Have not seen any mention of fuel not emulsifying into the oil.  The focus has been on neutralizing the effect of fuel on oil through stronger base stocks and proper additive chemistry.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 03, 2019, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 03, 2019, 06:01:26 PM
I do not know the independent lab Amsoil is using in their claims.  But Oil Analyzers or Polaris are the likely candidates. AFAIK, Oil Analyzers is a division of Amsoil, but I don't see much mention of this in the literature.
https://allsynoil.com/oil_analysis.html (https://allsynoil.com/oil_analysis.html)
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-5w-20-racing-oil/ (https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/dominator-5w-20-racing-oil/)
"Oil Analyzers Inc®. (715-395-0222) is a division of AMSOIL that provides cost-effective, quality oil analysis services"

Have not seen any mention of fuel not emulsifying into the oil.  The focus has been on neutralizing the effect of fuel on oil through stronger base stocks and proper additive chemistry.

That is my problem.  I cant find the "Independent Tester".  I will have a huge problem with it if it is Oil Analyzers.  That would be stacking the deck and being bias. 

If they haven't figured out the emulsification issue, then they cannot claim 100% to prevent LPSI.   
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 18SHO on May 03, 2019, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Hell yea man , can't wait to see the times ! I see the tires are finally on ! Looking good
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ZSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
AFAIK New Turbos may require roughly around 800 miles on them (break in period) before the turbo seals seat properly IIRC! Might want to take it easy for a while! Z
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
AFAIK New Turbos may require roughly around 800 miles on them (break in period) before the turbo seals seat properly IIRC! Might want to take it easy for a while! Z

https://www.garrettmotion.com/boostadviser/faq.php


So everyone I have talked too has stated that there is a misconception on "seals" with newer turbos. Journal Bearing turbos don't require a break in if they are properly installed and assembled...

There has been a dyno pull plus 10 datalog sessions within 500 miles... if there IS a break in period... oooooops...



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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ZSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
AFAIK New Turbos may require roughly around 800 miles on them (break in period) before the turbo seals seat properly IIRC! Might want to take it easy for a while! Z

https://www.garrettmotion.com/boostadviser/faq.php (https://www.garrettmotion.com/boostadviser/faq.php)


So everyone I have talked too has stated that there is a misconception on "seals" with newer turbos. Journal Bearing turbos don't require a break in if they are properly installed and assembled...

There has been a dyno pull plus 10 datalog sessions within 500 miles... if there IS a break in period... oooooops...



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Good to hear! I was just exercising caution thats all! Good luck. Z
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 04, 2019, 06:10:27 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on May 03, 2019, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Hell yea man , can't wait to see the times ! I see the tires are finally on ! Looking good

Tear it up!  All this foreplay better be worth it😉
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: Jordan on May 04, 2019, 09:53:57 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
AFAIK New Turbos may require roughly around 800 miles on them (break in period) before the turbo seals seat properly IIRC! Might want to take it easy for a while! Z

https://www.garrettmotion.com/boostadviser/faq.php (https://www.garrettmotion.com/boostadviser/faq.php)


So everyone I have talked too has stated that there is a misconception on "seals" with newer turbos. Journal Bearing turbos don't require a break in if they are properly installed and assembled...

There has been a dyno pull plus 10 datalog sessions within 500 miles... if there IS a break in period... oooooops...



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I am a big fan of break it in how you will run it. Obviously after oil has gotten to the right spots of course!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 04, 2019, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 04, 2019, 06:10:27 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on May 03, 2019, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Hell yea man , can't wait to see the times ! I see the tires are finally on ! Looking good

Tear it up!  All this foreplay better be worth it

Lol... we will see...not so much foreplay as documentation on a build... if it doesn't work out well then you know.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 04, 2019, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 03, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
AFAIK New Turbos may require roughly around 800 miles on them (break in period) before the turbo seals seat properly IIRC! Might want to take it easy for a while! Z

https://www.garrettmotion.com/boostadviser/faq.php (https://www.garrettmotion.com/boostadviser/faq.php)


So everyone I have talked too has stated that there is a misconception on "seals" with newer turbos. Journal Bearing turbos don't require a break in if they are properly installed and assembled...

There has been a dyno pull plus 10 datalog sessions within 500 miles... if there IS a break in period... oooooops...



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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 05, 2019, 07:39:08 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 04, 2019, 09:56:26 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 04, 2019, 06:10:27 AM
Quote from: 18SHO on May 03, 2019, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 03, 2019, 05:37:55 PM
All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Hell yea man , can't wait to see the times ! I see the tires are finally on ! Looking good

Tear it up!  All this foreplay better be worth it

Lol... we will see...not so much foreplay as documentation on a build... if it doesn't work out well then you know.


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Of course it will work out!  Your track has good air too so I'm very excited.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 11, 2019, 09:14:15 AM
So it looks like my 160F Tstat got stuck open yesterday... car would drop down to 160F and wouldn't get warmed up much past 180F... happened after I did a big pull on the highway...

Interestingly enough although I am not sure if they are correlated I had a pretty big knock event that hit +6KR on the livewire during the pull towards the end.. then was accompanied by some +4.5 ish knock at part throttle shortly afterwards...

Let the car cool off for 4hrs hours and everything seems to be just fine again..

Ordering a new tstat from GH..
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 11, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
That's weird!   Glad it appears to be ok and a resolution in the works
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on May 11, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
Yikes!  First reported 160 unit failure, i think.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 11, 2019, 11:03:26 AM
Seems about right for my luck...

Loaded the auto octane tune for the bigger turbos...

It's 450awhp/480awtq iirc..... I'll take it for pump gas! Runs well.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on May 11, 2019, 11:37:00 AM
Oh wow that's some crappy lucky. I'm in the auto parts industry. You don't see many t-stat failures in general anymore.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 12, 2019, 01:48:42 PM
So far the Tstat is behaving correctly... but usually if they stick once, they will stick again. I have an email into GH for a new one...

I will say this Auto Octane tune Matt developed for the bigger turbo setup is legit... I might just stick with this one for the time being...


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 12, 2019, 09:06:43 PM
With the auto octane you can fuel up with whatever...but are you still mostly e30 or more 93 in there now?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 12, 2019, 09:14:57 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 12, 2019, 09:06:43 PM
With the auto octane you can fuel up with whatever...but are you still mostly e30 or more 93 in there now?

It's E12 or so... so might as well be 93...  but there is a big difference in tuning between his E30 and Autooctane...

Matt said his Auto Octane with bigger turbos is about the same power as E30 on stock turbos..


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 05:30:53 AM
Auto octane GH tune for bigger turbos same power as E30 GH tune with stock turbos or bigger turbos?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 05:30:53 AM
Auto octane GH tune for bigger turbos same power as E30 GH tune with stock turbos or bigger turbos?

He said GH E30 with stock turbos.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?   
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 13, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 13, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens? 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 13, 2019, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 13, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens?

So from what I understand... and I could be off on this... but the lower engine temps allow for more spark... IE.. if the car runs hotter, it tolerance for knock goes down based on the fuel supplied. Again.. I could be off, but Matt said there is a bit of power to be gained from running slightly cooler than stock.. I defer to his knowledge on this one.  I have two stock thermostats sitting on a shelf, so I Matt says they are good to go, then I will use one of them.. otherwise, I will grab another 170F Tstat.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: Jordan on May 13, 2019, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 13, 2019, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 13, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens?

So from what I understand... and I could be off on this... but the lower engine temps allow for more spark... IE.. if the car runs hotter, it tolerance for knock goes down based on the fuel supplied. Again.. I could be off, but Matt said there is a bit of power to be gained from running slightly cooler than stock.. I defer to his knowledge on this one.  I have two stock thermostats sitting on a shelf, so I Matt says they are good to go, then I will use one of them.. otherwise, I will grab another 170F Tstat.

Heat can equal preignition. Manufacturers want the happy medium for regular consumers not the performance oriented ones. In Michael's case I'd just say the stock one would just be a bandaid until he gets another one. Considering the amount of pressure and heat he is creating it's probably even more necessary than just a regular tune and bolt on Taurus.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 13, 2019, 12:00:03 PM
One half dozen or another... I just paid for a new one from GH...

Sooo.. that means the last LMS purchased part that is on my car is the Catchcan... hmmmm...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: Jordan on May 13, 2019, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 13, 2019, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 13, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens?

So from what I understand... and I could be off on this... but the lower engine temps allow for more spark... IE.. if the car runs hotter, it tolerance for knock goes down based on the fuel supplied. Again.. I could be off, but Matt said there is a bit of power to be gained from running slightly cooler than stock.. I defer to his knowledge on this one.  I have two stock thermostats sitting on a shelf, so I Matt says they are good to go, then I will use one of them.. otherwise, I will grab another 170F Tstat.

Heat can equal preignition. Manufacturers want the happy medium for regular consumers not the performance oriented ones. In Michael's case I'd just say the stock one would just be a bandaid until he gets another one. Considering the amount of pressure and heat he is creating it's probably even more necessary than just a regular tune and bolt on Taurus.

I dont agree and here is my reasoning....

http://www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/2012/04/low-temp-thermostats-whats-the-advantage/ (http://www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/2012/04/low-temp-thermostats-whats-the-advantage/)
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: mattr66 on May 13, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
My take is this.... The cooling system issues we have on these cars cannot be fixed with a thermostat.  We need more water pump flow and bigger radiator capacity to allow for running these things at 625 crank horsepower for more than a 1/4 mile at a time.  Dropping the "starting" coolant temp by 10 degrees buys you more time before the coolant temp gets to 215 or so at wot and you have to start pulling timing back (it is progressive up to that point, but 215 seems to be where you really need to start retarding timing from my experience)  or risk detonation.  Also, by this point, that extra 10 degrees of temp reduction at the start also allows the coolant temp to get to an equilibrium point since you now have had lots of airflow through the cooling stack (because of vehicle speed) and might be able to hold the coolant below 220 where things start to really go downhill for power production.  If we had a cooling system capable of holding 195 degrees no matter what happens, that would be the optimum temperature, but since we don't, we make compromises.  The 170 thermostat I like running is the best compromise between giving us a little buffer for cooling capacity as well as allows for efficiency and getting the oil temp hot enough to cook the water out on short trips.  There are also concerns about carbon buildup long-term that makes me not want to go any colder as well.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 05:30:53 AM
Auto octane GH tune for bigger turbos same power as E30 GH tune with stock turbos or bigger turbos?

He said GH E30 with stock turbos.

I know I guess I was hoping it was a typeo.  If I was already e30 tuned with stock turbos....then upgraded my turbos.I would be mad if after spending all that money I was back to the same power level as an e30 stock turbo tune with the auto octane upgraded turbo tune.  So basically I was hoping he meant that the e30 upgraded turbo tune was about the same as auto octane upgraded turbo tune
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 13, 2019, 12:40:08 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 05:30:53 AM
Auto octane GH tune for bigger turbos same power as E30 GH tune with stock turbos or bigger turbos?

He said GH E30 with stock turbos.

I know I guess I was hoping it was a typeo.  If I was already e30 tuned with stock turbos....then upgraded my turbos.I would be mad if after spending all that money I was back to the same power level as an e30 stock turbo tune with the auto octane upgraded turbo tune.


So there is a difference between the 87-94 octane tune and the E30 tune... Its pretty awesome thinking that I can go to a good 93 octane station.. fill up and potentially run high 11's without the need for meth or mixing fuels.  Vs on stock turbos with a HPFP and E30 I need to mix and monitor ethanol content...

Also you have to factor in wear and tear.. these turbos move 30% more volume.. so they work almost 1/3 less harder to develop the same power. Safer, cooler, and more efficient power designed to last vs maxing out the stockers... there are many more advantages but these come to mind first..

Now, if I want to run E30 with the bigger turbos then there is a MASSIVE difference between stock turbos and bigger turbos on E30 with Gearheads tune...

Perhaps my wording was poor in the first post concerning this.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 01:05:48 PM
I gotcha, it makes more sense to me now and thank you for elaborating.  I could be wrong but 93+meth seems similar to power of e30.  I think at the end of the day we may have similar power even though I don't have the HPFP. 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 13, 2019, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 01:05:48 PM
I gotcha, it makes more sense to me now and thank you for elaborating.  I could be wrong but 93+meth seems similar to power of e30.  I think at the end of the day we may have similar power even though I don't have the HPFP.

Potentially. I would invest in a HPFP... i mean.. you already picked up the rest of the portfolio.. then you can just use the meth for cooling and octane.. not a fuel supplement which can cause issues if the pump fails.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 13, 2019, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 13, 2019, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 01:05:48 PM
I gotcha, it makes more sense to me now and thank you for elaborating.  I could be wrong but 93+meth seems similar to power of e30.  I think at the end of the day we may have similar power even though I don't have the HPFP.

Potentially. I would invest in a HPFP... i mean.. you already picked up the rest of the portfolio.. then you can just use the meth for cooling and octane.. not a fuel supplement which can cause issues if the pump fails.

I 100 percent agree, or you can just run high octane race fuel when you want to go max effort.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 13, 2019, 02:59:55 PM
Yeah no doubt things get sketchy if relying on meth too much.  I can't afford a HPFP this year but its definitely a must have if your end goal is big power
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on May 13, 2019, 05:11:56 PM
You should come to the town I work in. Tons of people rely on meth daily and they dont look so good. Oh wait that's crystal meth never mind.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 24, 2019, 10:10:13 AM
Swapped out the LMS Catch Can for the UPR Catch Can. Nothing wrong with the LMS Catch Can but between selling off the MyCalibrator and the LMS Catch Can I was able to cover the costs of the UPR dual check valve w/ CSS setup...  There are no longer ANY LMS related parts on my car now...

Install was OK at best.. the triheaded line that connects to the CSS, CC, and Intake needs to be a bit longer as I was unable to route it the way I wanted to route it. Oh well.. its installed.

Additionally, I am taking the car back to National Speed later today for another couple power pulls. I want to make sure the car is still producing the power and I am not having an issue. If the dyno come backs more than a few percentage points lower, I will be having a compression test done to make sure the motor is healthy. Will post dyno slips later day.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 24, 2019, 10:21:23 AM
Hope everything is kosher.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on May 24, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
Why do you suspect compression loss?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 24, 2019, 11:43:49 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 24, 2019, 11:35:08 AM
Why do you suspect compression loss?

I am trying to wrap my head around the track times... not sure what is going on.. If I am still putting down the same power, then there is something else going on.. tuning would be my guess. Car feels fine though but compression loss can be tricky. Between the XDI pump popping off (banging the cam), the stuck thermostat at same time of the knock event I had (6+ on the device) I just want verification that the car is still producing the right power out.

The car idles rougher but I also have installed the torque mounts so my baseline is off. I checked the plugs, they all look clean, tail pipes are clean, nothing seems to be off except for track times.. I did some searching through the forums and online.. and a cylinder under performing will cause power loss but may not be detectable by visuals.  I could pull plugs, buy a compression check tool, and find out... OR I can put it on a dyno for a few minutes to verify power output.. $79 for a couple quick pulls isn't much..

If the dyno numbers are off, then I will do a compression check, if not, then there is something else going on like I said. Seems to me a like a quick verification that isn't expensive. Matt was a little puzzled as well. 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on May 24, 2019, 12:08:14 PM
Ford does a power balance test that can help in this instance.  Borescope the cylinder walls, pistons, and top rings.  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 24, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
Like Easton said, I hope everything is ok man!  Doing the dyno pull makes sense to start off.  And then if need be and clearly hoping not, look deeper like Manu suggested! 

I commented on your post about the UPR kit on the length of hose.  You just got to disconnect all the hoses, remove the canister from the bracket, run that hose under the IC to TB pipe and between/underneath the compressor lines and get that hose back to where the canister was, connect all lines with it off the bracket and then secure the canister to the bracket.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 24, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 24, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
Like Easton said, I hope everything is ok man!  Doing the dyno pull makes sense to start off.  And then if need be and clearly hoping not, look deeper like Manu suggested! 

I commented on your post about the UPR kit on the length of hose.  You just got to disconnect all the hoses, remove the canister from the bracket, run that hose under the IC to TB pipe and between/underneath the compressor lines and get that hose back to where the canister was, connect all lines with it off the bracket and then secure the canister to the bracket.

Thanks for the UPR heads up... I tried routing that way, unfortunately the hose was still too short to connect by over an inch or so. Unless I am doing something else wrong... do you happen to have a picture of your hose route? THanks!

I have a good baseline dyno, so we will see what its doing. If power is comparable to what it was, then its just a tuning issue would be guess... 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on May 24, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 24, 2019, 10:10:13 AM
Swapped out the LMS Catch Can for the UPR Catch Can. Nothing wrong with the LMS Catch Can but between selling off the MyCalibrator and the LMS Catch Can I was able to cover the costs of the UPR dual check valve w/ CSS setup...  There are no longer ANY LMS related parts on my car now...

Install was OK at best.. the triheaded line that connects to the CSS, CC, and Intake needs to be a bit longer as I was unable to route it the way I wanted to route it. Oh well.. its installed.

Additionally, I am taking the car back to National Speed later today for another couple power pulls. I want to make sure the car is still producing the power and I am not having an issue. If the dyno come backs more than a few percentage points lower, I will be having a compression test done to make sure the motor is healthy. Will post dyno slips later day.

First who the heck would run an LMS catch can ;)? 2nd I still stand by the bad air is effecting you more then you think. The difference from -1400 to 2200ft is pretty large. Just typing them into drag times da calculator you can see a 2/3 tenth drop in et and 2/3 mph drop. 60whp should be about 3 tenths or so. You may be down a touch but I don't think it's as bad as you are thinking.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 24, 2019, 12:59:07 PM
I hope its just tuning related.  I mean, I want to say it must be but at least you're entertaining the idea it could be something more serious...hopefully just to rule out a serious issue. 

It could be your hose is too short.  It was tight getting it up there.  I will be able to show how I routed mine when I get back.  I'll even measure it to make sure we have the same length.........waiting for comments on that hahahaha
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on May 24, 2019, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 24, 2019, 12:59:07 PM
I hope its just tuning related.  I mean, I want to say it must be but at least you're entertaining the idea it could be something more serious...hopefully just to rule out a serious issue. 

It could be your hose is too short.  It was tight getting it up there.  I will be able to show how I routed mine when I get back.  I'll even measure it to make sure we have the same length.........waiting for comments on that hahahaha

Lmao always a *ick measuring contest on forums.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 24, 2019, 01:01:23 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on May 24, 2019, 12:59:07 PM
I hope its just tuning related.  I mean, I want to say it must be but at least you're entertaining the idea it could be something more serious...hopefully just to rule out a serious issue. 

It could be your hose is too short.  It was tight getting it up there.  I will be able to show how I routed mine when I get back.  I'll even measure it to make sure we have the same length.........waiting for comments on that hahahaha

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ZSHO on May 24, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
How does it start up/crank over! Z
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 24, 2019, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 24, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
How does it start up/crank over! Z

Cranks and starts just fine.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 24, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
New dyno completed...

I'm down about 18HP from the previous runs. However... humidity is double what it was and temps were 91F vs 85F... soo in short.. based on all the information, my engine is running well. Both banks are showing similar AFRs, no oil consumption, no knock...

The shop said everything sounds good, and the dyno results are within norms considering the environmental deltas. They said there is nothing here that would suggest a compression test would be needed at all.

Datalogs all look great....could use some more boost according to Matt... So I will let the mad scientist do his thing when he gets a chance...

Basically... summer air/humidity vs spring air/humidity...

Things are all good..




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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on May 24, 2019, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 24, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
New dyno completed...

I'm down about 18HP from the previous runs. However... humidity is double what it was and temps were 91F vs 85F... soo in short.. based on all the information, my engine is running well. Both banks are showing similar AFRs, no oil consumption, no knock...

The shop said everything sounds good, and the dyno results are within norms considering the environmental deltas. They said there is nothing here that would suggest a compression test would be needed at all.

Datalogs all look great....could use some more boost according to Matt... So I will let the mad scientist do his thing when he gets a chance...

Basically... summer air/humidity vs spring air/humidity...

Things are all good..




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Thats great news! That must be a great feeling for you knowing everything is ok. Can't wait to see what that beast does turned up. Like I said da makes a massive difference. Your car will run 11's all day with that tune up in better air.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on May 25, 2019, 04:25:18 PM
Glad to hear that's great news! 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 28, 2019, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 24, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
New dyno completed...

I'm down about 18HP from the previous runs. However... humidity is double what it was and temps were 91F vs 85F... soo in short.. based on all the information, my engine is running well. Both banks are showing similar AFRs, no oil consumption, no knock...

The shop said everything sounds good, and the dyno results are within norms considering the environmental deltas. They said there is nothing here that would suggest a compression test would be needed at all.

Datalogs all look great....could use some more boost according to Matt... So I will let the mad scientist do his thing when he gets a chance...

Basically... summer air/humidity vs spring air/humidity...

Things are all good..




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GOOD.  I wasn't worried, but kinda worried if that makes sense....lol.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 28, 2019, 09:24:53 AM
Quote from: SM105K on May 28, 2019, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on May 24, 2019, 09:50:06 PM
New dyno completed...

I'm down about 18HP from the previous runs. However... humidity is double what it was and temps were 91F vs 85F... soo in short.. based on all the information, my engine is running well. Both banks are showing similar AFRs, no oil consumption, no knock...

The shop said everything sounds good, and the dyno results are within norms considering the environmental deltas. They said there is nothing here that would suggest a compression test would be needed at all.

Datalogs all look great....could use some more boost according to Matt... So I will let the mad scientist do his thing when he gets a chance...

Basically... summer air/humidity vs spring air/humidity...

Things are all good..




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GOOD.  I wasn't worried, but kinda worried if that makes sense....lol.

Yea, 18HP can be heat soak easy. Correction helps with environmentals...but doesn't take into account pulled spark etc from high IATs.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 28, 2019, 02:53:16 PM
SBS,

I saw your want add about the MSD coils.  Do you and Matt believe you are starting to over exceed capabilities of the stock coils?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 28, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 28, 2019, 02:53:16 PM
SBS,

I saw your want add about the MSD coils.  Do you and Matt believe you are starting to over exceed capabilities of the stock coils?

No, I don't think we have exceeded the capabilities of the stock coils. However, Matt has mentioned that even the modest (IIRC 15%) increase in energy that the MSD coils provide over stock make a big difference. They did pick up 9awhp over the stock coils and Matt said that it does smooth out the top end. For $260 its a small cost... also ordered new boots to go with them. I should remove the add...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 28, 2019, 03:07:15 PM
The more you know.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 29, 2019, 05:10:03 PM
Threw the coils in.... haven't driven it yet.... but they are there! Lmao....

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on May 29, 2019, 05:13:12 PM
So fancy SBS.  They look good.
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on May 29, 2019, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: SM105K on May 29, 2019, 05:13:12 PM
So fancy SBS.  They look good.


Thanks! I wanted black ones.... but I got a 10% discount on the red ones and free shipping....


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on May 29, 2019, 05:17:30 PM
Look good! I found they smoothed out my idle a ton. Hopefully they help you as well.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 01, 2019, 07:25:15 PM
So I have been having a residue oil leak after the XDI bolt snapped... cleaned it good a few a times thinking it might have been left over oil seeping since oil went everywhere....

Still get this small leak...

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And a bit more here..

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When XDI sent me the new bolts they also sent me a new stock mounting plate as well... so I finally took the time to pull it all apart again...

Sure enough there is the SLIGHTEST bend on mine from when the bolt snapped and the pump flexed the original plate... only detectable when placing on a flat surface.. it rocks just a hair...

So swapped them and will see if this one doesn't leak...

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And mounted...

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Oh and this doesn't fit...

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Hopefully I can put this the bed...


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on June 01, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
And Beer makes everyone happy
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on June 01, 2019, 10:09:49 PM
Damn I'm upset you found it. I was gonna suggest we trade cars since mine didn't leak there.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 03, 2019, 07:51:18 PM
Well.. things have been a bit slow lately.. Had the stomach flu since last Thursday.. Finally went to the Doc... nothing they can really do.. all my lab work came back spotless soooo just have to ride it out per se...

However, on the way to the doctor I hammered on the SHO a little bit...

Leak is gone, so I can conclude it was coming from the stock mounting plate getting a hair bend in it. Finally can put that one to rest. Did have small gas leak from the HPFP high pressure line from me pulling it off.. re-adjusted and tightened it down, fixed...

The MSD Blaster COP much to my surprise actually do help smooth out the rpms and idle. It was kinda of "Well they get good reviews.. I don't really think they are going to do anything, but why not" purchase.. well.. I agree with the reviews. It does seem to have a bit more ugg nugga up top.. maybe like 1 ugg nugga.. but also smoother...

Anyway.. waiting on an updated tune from Matt which is going to fix the throttle in first/second... should make a difference for sure.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on June 03, 2019, 07:54:17 PM
Get well soon, in cliche parlance :D  Sounds like finally the SHO will be re-ascending to maximum potential!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on June 03, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
Hope you and Blue feel better...."At the same Damn Time"
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 13, 2019, 06:38:01 PM
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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on June 13, 2019, 07:37:51 PM
Hahaha nice touch. Looks good. Did you have those made?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 13, 2019, 07:41:22 PM
Quote from: shoNoff on June 13, 2019, 07:37:51 PM
Hahaha nice touch. Looks good. Did you have those made?


Thanks! Yes custom made.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on June 14, 2019, 07:17:02 AM
Even looks like an M from a distance ;)  Hope you put the smackdown on the flu!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 15, 2019, 09:23:07 PM
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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 76fomoco on June 16, 2019, 12:06:15 AM
poor vett owners have no clue what they are getting into....on the street or on the track!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on July 05, 2019, 05:05:05 PM
Just little fun in 100F+ temps today...  old oil had 2,900 miles on it.. this was the original oil used with the turbo install plus multiple dynos, datalogs, and a few passes at the track..  LOOKED good.. no metal bits found with a magnet... 

Double checked for leaks etc and everything looks good.. the output seal on the PTU is still has a little shine on it but nothing serious yet.. 

So we now have fresh oil to continue the revisions on my turbos.. Matt is having to remap the tables since my car isn't responding the same way as his or anyone elses.. mine is VERY boost happy..

Progress has been made as the throttle is now opening all the way between shifts in a controlled manner so thats a plus.. keeping my fingers crossed that it will be good to go in the next couple revisions.. then onto the E30 revisions which shouldn't be near as bad since Matt said he can take the new mapping and apply them to the E30 tune..

I will say that getting these turbo's dialed in has been painful, BUT even the auto octane tune is a new beast with it almost done.. can't wait to see how the E30 feels.

Matt could cheat and apply parameters to get the car to respond correctly, but him and I discussed and agreed it would be better to have the turbos dialed in 100% as opposed to short cuts.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on July 05, 2019, 07:38:29 PM
Added some more styling!

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on July 05, 2019, 08:18:00 PM
The new owner will be pleased....new emblems, fresh oil change and tune dialed in.  Lol!  Glad to see you're still very much enjoying your SHO!  Things are looking good!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on July 05, 2019, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 05, 2019, 08:18:00 PM
The new owner will be pleased....new emblems, fresh oil change and tune dialed in.  Lol!  Glad to see you're still very much enjoying your SHO!  Things are looking good!

Funny you bring that up.... a guy messaged me today offering full ask if I will pay shipping to Houston....


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on July 05, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Holy temptation.  Its easy to keep things when no one bites....hard call. 
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on July 05, 2019, 08:31:02 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 05, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Holy temptation.  Its easy to keep things when no one bites....hard call.

True... but the night is young.... the mountains are blue.... and there are many bad decisions yet to do!

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: AJP turbo on July 05, 2019, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on July 05, 2019, 08:31:02 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 05, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Holy temptation.  Its easy to keep things when no one bites....hard call.

True... but the night is young.... the mountains are blue.... and there are many bad decisions yet to do!

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Nice choice...one of my favorites...so refreshing
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on July 05, 2019, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on July 05, 2019, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on July 05, 2019, 08:31:02 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 05, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Holy temptation.  Its easy to keep things when no one bites....hard call.

True... but the night is young.... the mountains are blue.... and there are many bad decisions yet to do!

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Nice choice...one of my favorites...so refreshing

It's the swill I have left over from vacation cause my extended family drinks this stuff... and I was blessed with case... but being as it's mostly water, it is refreshing for sure..


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on July 06, 2019, 06:47:27 AM
Lol I guess if I was in your predicament Id be drinking and ...what was that you wrote?  "The night is young, the mountains are blue and there are many bad decisions yet to do"  Very nice little poem.  😯  Where are you in Smurf land?  Blue mountains what the...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on July 06, 2019, 07:01:50 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 06, 2019, 06:47:27 AM
Lol I guess if I was in your predicament Id be drinking and ...what was that you wrote?  "The night is young, the mountains are blue and there are many bad decisions yet to do"  Very nice little poem.    Where are you in Smurf land?  Blue mountains what the...

Coors Light... when the mountains on the can are blue the beer is cold.... they have been using color changing cans for a long time..


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on July 06, 2019, 07:17:50 AM
Hahaha wow that went right over my head!  If it was a million dollar attention to detail test I walked away broke
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on July 06, 2019, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on July 05, 2019, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on July 05, 2019, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on July 05, 2019, 08:31:02 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 05, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Holy temptation.  Its easy to keep things when no one bites....hard call.

True... but the night is young.... the mountains are blue.... and there are many bad decisions yet to do!

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Nice choice...one of my favorites...so refreshing

It's the swill I have left over from vacation cause my extended family drinks this stuff... and I was blessed with case... but being as it's mostly water, it is refreshing for sure..


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This is too funny I was drinking s*** ass Miller lite last night for the same reason. Weird part is everyone wanted this horse piss. Yet all my Sam Adams is gone and Im stuck with 2 cases of swill.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: shoNoff on July 06, 2019, 10:20:20 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on July 06, 2019, 07:17:50 AM
Hahaha wow that went right over my head!  If it was a million dollar attention to detail test I walked away broke
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ZSHO on July 06, 2019, 10:23:57 AM
Guys are killing me as I been sober for many years now! Lol. In the meantime. Z  :beer2:
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: mybigsho on September 06, 2019, 08:08:52 AM
Did the car sell? I was hoping to see the performance gains and numbers at the track..
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on September 06, 2019, 10:25:43 AM
The performance gains are chronicled in this thread. If he is serious about selling, he probably doesnt want to risk breaking it taking it to the track. He hasnt been active much...so...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on September 06, 2019, 12:55:24 PM
He's MIA!  I suspect foul play
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 06, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
I am here.. just been VERY busy... work has picked up 10x and I just moved the family to a new house in a different county (yay emissions!!).. I have been on travel A LOT lately..

No foul play, car still runs like a scolded dog.. even more now.. I had a few days where I could get some datalogging done to figure out what is going on.. the last track run of 12.1 was with the throttle sitting at 50% open the entire time.. that issue has been resolved now and it pulls much much harder now.. night and day difference for sure.. at LEAST a couple tenths picked up if not more.. I suspect more since there was additional tweaking done to the setup..

For now I am just biding my time.. too busy to get to the track.. and yes.. the car is always for sale if someone wants it.. I don't mind starting a new project. I am thinking more AutoX than straight line racing at this point.. soo I am looking at smaller RWD/AWD cars.. Focus RS seem interesting with the improvements that XDI is making on the fueling... who knows...

Without a clear path on how to get around the drive train issues I am not interested in dumping much more money into the car. When I recover from the move, my next thought if I still have the car is taking back down to National Speed Inc to have them tear into the drive train to figure out a path forward... who knows...

Hope everyone is still doing well!
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: mybigsho on September 06, 2019, 03:01:44 PM
Glad to here all is well.. Life changes and work does take up time.. Hopefully you can get to MIR with this nice
weather and lay down a great pass.. Good luck!!

Scott.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on September 06, 2019, 03:31:49 PM
Nice to hear man!  Glad you're still with us! 
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on February 11, 2020, 06:46:44 PM
Updating... since it has been some time....

Private track event where I ran several back to back 11.9's! Full weight, stock tires, and wheels. At the time of these runs I also had the AIRAID intake.

Big shout out to @shaundizzle for inviting me!

Quick video compilation!

https://youtu.be/_jeOgwp-aLs

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on February 11, 2020, 06:49:34 PM
Order the DW LPFP and adapter kit! More fuel!!! Feed the beast!!!

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on February 11, 2020, 06:56:04 PM
Talking with Matt Robinson at Gearhead, found out he had an EPP Dual Feed Intake with no recirculation bungs for BOVs, bung for PCV, and crinkle black!!!! Never opened!! So naturally I made an offer to relieve him of such an unused burden....

Makes a huge difference when coupled with the GH turbos.. it effortlessly builds boost and just runs much smoother. It's not fighting itself for air. I can see how this is taking up to .2 off peoples ETs...

Install was a PIA but not hateful...

Some quick snaps... here is the front turbine after 7K miles of use.. oil is from the PCV system. Not sure what is going on with the UPR CC.. however was told a small amount is normal.

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on February 11, 2020, 07:03:18 PM
So my next steps at this point is waiting to see what can be done with the transmission from a big cost perspective...

In the short term, I think I have maxed out the performance if these P-Zero's...  looking into getting some lightweight 18's that compliment the car with wider taller tires... and I want white lettering! Ha!

Better tires with lighter wheels and the new intake should help pull a few tenths off my ET if not more.

Very pleased with my goal of keeping the car reliable and stock looking while running quick times for these cars. Take the kids to the park, go grocery shopping, and then go to the track and tick off 11's all in the same day :-)

Now to look into tire/wheel combos...


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 6500rpm on February 11, 2020, 07:45:28 PM
Weld Draglites w/ Hoosier tires ( :
Just kidding...kind of
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on February 11, 2020, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: 6500rpm on February 11, 2020, 07:45:28 PM
Weld Draglites w/ Hoosier tires ( :
Just kidding...kind of

They do make a nice black set... you might be onto something... lol...
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on February 12, 2020, 02:09:22 AM
Glad you cracked the 11's, for sure I expected you of all people to have done it some time ago :D :D  Let's hope the trans upgrade price tag is reasonable.  Then you might want to look into HD axles as well.  No idea how the wheel bearings will hold up, at least you have SKF and Timken alternatives to try.  Maybe even a carbon fiber driveshaft.  Add power, reduce loss.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on February 12, 2020, 06:05:26 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on February 12, 2020, 02:09:22 AM
Glad you cracked the 11's, for sure I expected you of all people to have done it some time ago :D :D  Let's hope the trans upgrade price tag is reasonable.  Then you might want to look into HD axles as well.  No idea how the wheel bearings will hold up, at least you have SKF and Timken alternatives to try.  Maybe even a carbon fiber driveshaft.  Add power, reduce loss.

Yea, just slow to the game, literally! Ha!  It's funny to me how well out trans and motor are matched up. They both hit about max power at the same time. Matt seems to think that I can get away with a lot more power on the stock trans as long as he can control the torque as that's what kills drive trains...

We will see.... I like your additional ideas too! I used a timken wheel bearing on my 2010. No issues what so ever. Good products.


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on March 29, 2020, 07:44:39 PM
Quarantine cleaning!!!

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on March 29, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on April 02, 2020, 04:53:59 PM
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Time for plugs... last plugs done at 19K and it's got 27.5K on it now..

Can't believe I put 8.5K miles on it last year... lol

Will post with used ones.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SHOdded on April 02, 2020, 05:50:50 PM
Bring on the fire!
Title: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 04, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
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Welp... the SHO threw a CEL last night, go figure since I was taking pictures of it...

P2195 - Oxygen Sensor 1 Bank 1 biased/stuck lean

Datalogged it and it was reading 1.99 lambda... time for a new WB.... fun fun!!


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 04, 2020, 09:47:18 AM
Also realized I never posted the plugs I pulled out...

Looked ok..all still gapped at .026

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 04, 2020, 01:16:12 PM
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New WB installed, no obvious damage except a small indentation on the body of the plug after the nut.  Initial fuel trims and AFR look good! Idle is smoother I think...


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on June 05, 2020, 05:22:09 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 04, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
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Welp... the SHO threw a CEL last night, go figure since I was taking pictures of it...

P2195 - Oxygen Sensor 1 Bank 1 biased/stuck lean

Datalogged it and it was reading 1.99 lambda... time for a new WB.... fun fun!!


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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ZSHO on June 05, 2020, 07:01:52 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 04, 2020, 01:16:12 PM
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New WB installed, no obvious damage except a small indentation on the body of the plug after the nut.  Initial fuel trims and AFR look good! Idle is smoother I think...


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It looks as the washer was not fully secured! There was a TSB on the 02's IIRC! Fingers crossed. Z

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 05, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 05, 2020, 05:22:09 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 04, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
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Welp... the SHO threw a CEL last night, go figure since I was taking pictures of it...

P2195 - Oxygen Sensor 1 Bank 1 biased/stuck lean

Datalogged it and it was reading 1.99 lambda... time for a new WB.... fun fun!!


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You know it's tempting to bring back the true form of my wheels.  They're plasti dipped.  But underneath they are like yours.  Looks great in your photo.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200605/a29c9e41be96b0c730f54c0bb5cb0c13.jpg)

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I really like the 5 spoke TBH.. I would have preferred the 5 spoke.. but I got all four wheels for $350, so even if I rock them for a bit, I can turn around and sell them for more lol.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: 802SHO on June 05, 2020, 12:58:04 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 05, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 05, 2020, 05:22:09 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 04, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
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Welp... the SHO threw a CEL last night, go figure since I was taking pictures of it...

P2195 - Oxygen Sensor 1 Bank 1 biased/stuck lean

Datalogged it and it was reading 1.99 lambda... time for a new WB.... fun fun!!


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You know it's tempting to bring back the true form of my wheels.  They're plasti dipped.  But underneath they are like yours.  Looks great in your photo.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200605/a29c9e41be96b0c730f54c0bb5cb0c13.jpg)

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I really like the 5 spoke TBH.. I would have preferred the 5 spoke.. but I got all four wheels for $350, so even if I rock them for a bit, I can turn around and sell them for more lol.
Yeah you got a killer deal. 

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on July 08, 2020, 09:14:24 PM
So I had Gearhead center cap overlays on my stock wheels... and missed the overall flow so I ordered custom overlays for the new wheels....

Thinking I need to paint the calipers...

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: ridered74 on July 08, 2020, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on July 08, 2020, 09:14:24 PM
So I had Gearhead center cap overlays on my stock wheels... and missed the overall flow so I ordered custom overlays for the new wheels....

Thinking I need to paint the calipers...

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Where are you ordering those from? That's one of the few stickers that I like. Why steal just part of someone's build when you can steal the whole thing?
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on August 19, 2020, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: ridered74 on July 08, 2020, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on July 08, 2020, 09:14:24 PM
So I had Gearhead center cap overlays on my stock wheels... and missed the overall flow so I ordered custom overlays for the new wheels....

Thinking I need to paint the calipers...

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Where are you ordering those from? That's one of the few stickers that I like. Why steal just part of someone's build when you can steal the whole thing?
https://www.etsy.com/shop/DeVriesSigns
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on August 19, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
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Couple things to mention...

1: Thanks to @OrtizPerformance for the battery tie down. I put a couple rubber grommets under the bolts to prevent them from breaking down the powder coating. Not sure what the material is under the powder coat, so don't want to allow a route for rusting.

2: At Nationals this year @Bamsho noticed my low side fuel  line was rubbing. It was short when I got it, so I didn't have a lot of room to route it, and had to stretch the stock fuel line coming off the firewall. Due to that, I am getting some rubbing that is wearing through the line. Email sent to Uwe at XDI to see if they have a longer line that routes better and isn't as stretched.

3: Trans started leaking a drop every once in awhile again due to the seal failure where the two halves meet. While getting the oil changed at the dealer I asked them to look at it. They said they need to drop the trans and reseal it which will be covered under warranty. They also agreed to put in the upgraded torque converter from GH while its out, for a minimal fee since it has to be removed anyway. Although the dealer said the leaks is soo small it's not a huge rush.. but small leaks turn into big leaks soo..
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: SM105K on August 19, 2020, 01:24:04 PM
Good stuff that it is under warranty.
Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on October 17, 2020, 03:01:45 PM
Out with the AD front mount and in with the stock one..

Being as I'm turning my SHO into a daily...  no need to have my balls vibrating in the seat all the time ....

Plus it's debatable whether the front makes much of any difference when you pair the AD rear with a new stock front...

I forgot how much smoother it makes the ride and idle.. although you don't feel as connected with the car since your not feeling every little thing...

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on November 21, 2020, 11:26:02 PM
Couple updates...

Apparently it does make a difference.... the wheel hop was atrocious... so put the AD mount back in... problem fixed...

Hit 30K miles today... so did the 3x drain and fill on the transmission. Next oil change I'll get the rdu fluid swapped out too...

Ran into a minor issue with the catch can... it was leaking from the check valves.. which means they weren't tight from UPR.. so had to take it out and re-tightened. Also found a torn seal on the connector going to the dual feed.

I'm half tempted cap off the clean side and run a breather cause I don't think it's working correctly.. not sure...

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Title: Re: SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread
Post by: StealBlueSho on November 21, 2020, 11:27:28 PM
Also installed the whiteline rear sway bar! Huge difference in handling, the car should have come like this from the factory...

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