Ecoboost Performance Forum

Newbie here, looking for some advice

I am nearing the finish line on an engine swap using a 2.0 EcoBoost engine. I was ready back in early February to purchase a control pack,  part number M-6017-20T for this particular engine. After purchasing one and not hearing from the vendor for a few weeks I called them.  They were sold out of these and informed me they were discontinued and they refunded me. I contacted a few more vendors who all said the same. I contacted Ford performance and they confirmed this. The gentleman told me Ford was considering making more for the people that had swaps started, he took my contact info and said he would let Ford know but could not guarantee anything. A few weeks after this he emailed me and asked if I was still interested as they sounded like they were going to produce them. I told him I definitely was. Fast forward to this week and I checked with him on the status of these and now it sounds like it is not going to happen.
I'm screwed,  all the hours and all the money into this project just to find out these are not available anymore. Does anyone know if there is a vendor that may have one? I see other active swaps and they mention this part number, how are they getting this kit? Is there any other "simplified" way to make one of these engines run without this kit?

Thanks in advance for any info one may have.



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You might want to look into those places/people that rig up control harnesses for the Coyote, they might be able to set you up with something similar for the 2.0

EcoPowerParts (Mike) can probably hook you up with a vendor that can provide the control solution.  I would PM him or contact him directly at
https://www.ecopowerparts.com/ (https://www.ecopowerparts.com/)

Thank you for the replies, I will check on both rite away. Sure hope there is an option available.

Thanks

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Any other suggestions by chance or place to search a vendor for one? No luck so far.

Thanks


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Silly suggestion but maybe a Junkyard ?

Quote from: Macgyver on May 07, 2019, 10:51:40 PM
Silly suggestion but maybe a Junkyard ?

My engine came out of a donor parts car I purchased. So the good thing is I have all the electronics and I have pulled them. The control pack kit would make all of this so much simpler. But the route I may have to go is send my harness and computer to someone if they can make it work for me. I'd have to get the throttle pedal and sensors for that out of the car to, which I could do. I just know if I use everything as is the engine wont fire. So, not a silly suggestion at all and I do have those parts I am just not sure how to make all of them work. Been doing a lot of research on that now. And Mike from the forum that was suggested above did send my info and questions to a source that may be able to help. If so, I'll post that here.
Only other option is to go 2.3 as my adapter and most everything I have would still be useable. Upside would be more HP out of that engine,  down side is finding a reasonable cost engine. I've been looking for donor cars with that engine as well. If I find one reasonable I may go that route then I would have something with more support out there for it. As it seems the 2.0 is a dead duck now.


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https://www.ebay.com/itm/PRICE-REDUCED-on-new-Ford-Crate-2-0L-ECOBOOST-with-control-pack/143240328491?epid=1969161885&hash=item2159c9f52b:g:lq8AAOSw~6hcZBmI (https://www.ebay.com/itm/PRICE-REDUCED-on-new-Ford-Crate-2-0L-ECOBOOST-with-control-pack/143240328491?epid=1969161885&hash=item2159c9f52b:g:lq8AAOSw~6hcZBmI)

Quote from: Macgyver on May 08, 2019, 10:38:43 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/PRICE-REDUCED-on-new-Ford-Crate-2-0L-ECOBOOST-with-control-pack/143240328491?epid=1969161885&hash=item2159c9f52b:g:lq8AAOSw~6hcZBmI (https://www.ebay.com/itm/PRICE-REDUCED-on-new-Ford-Crate-2-0L-ECOBOOST-with-control-pack/143240328491?epid=1969161885&hash=item2159c9f52b:g:lq8AAOSw~6hcZBmI)

  I shot him a message on Tuesday and asked if he was willing to sell the control pack separately. Knew it was a long shot but asked anyway. Hes got a decent price on that as a package though.
Fortunately if I'm gonna buy another engine to complete my project it will be a 2.3 at this point I think.
Appreciate the help in looking for an option 

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There has to be one laying around. I would try Facebook groups etc until you secure the new to.you setup.

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Quote from: Macgyver on May 09, 2019, 11:25:55 AM
There has to be one laying around. I would try Facebook groups etc until you secure the new to.you setup.

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I agree, there has to be one out there from a vendor who isn't sold out or even a swap someone started and lost interest in. I will continue to sesrch.
I also emailed the gentleman at Ford who has helping me and asked if a 2.3 kit could be used being the parts are the same although the computer program would be different. All assumptions I know, but I wonder if this could be reprogrammed to what I need. He is checking for me.
I'll update here with anything I find out.

Thanks


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I know that within certain MY groups of varying models, the PCM can be reconfigured to work with a Fusion or an Escape or an Edge etc.  So there is crosscompatibility, you just have to find the subset that fits your criteria/needs.  FordTechMakuloco had talked about this on YT in one of his videos, and I have independent confirmation from another source that this is true.

Quote from: SHOdded on May 09, 2019, 02:55:12 PM
I know that within certain MY groups of varying models, the PCM can be reconfigured to work with a Fusion or an Escape or an Edge etc.  So there is crosscompatibility, you just have to find the subset that fits your criteria/needs.  FordTechMakuloco had talked about this on YT in one of his videos, and I have independent confirmation from another source that this is true.

Good news, I was hoping this would be a possibility. Do you know of a source that has the means to do this or is doing this now? I'll checkout the videos on YouTube.

What makes these complex to tune? The DI system? Or? The computer/programming side of all of these high tech car/engines is not my area of expertise so I apologize for the simple questions.

I would assume there are aftermarket companies with tunes that improve performance out there for any variation of these engines, what is the difference between programming a factory car for more performance VS tuning for an engine swap like in this case? All the extra unneeded items that will cause a no fire situation?

Thanks



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I am not privy to the inner workings of the PCM, sadly, a tuner can better answer your questions.  Shoot a PM or eMail to Brad/AJPturbo, maybe Matt @ Gearhead/mattr66.  Engines and transmissions are tightly integrated these days, so when you do an engine swap i.e. put in an engine that does not come with that transmission from factory, you have to know what the performance parameters of the transmission are, in addition to the engine performance parameters, to make the new combination work successfully.  Someone who is familiar with both the engine and the transmission should be able to rig something up.

circuitboardmedics.com can source and program a PCM for you, assuming it is OEM, give them a call and see what the possibilities are.  They would be loading an OEM configuration onto a PCM and sending it to you.  They are not custom programmers.  The engine would fire, but it would take a custom programmer to integrate the engine and transmission logic.

Appreciate the info and contact sources.

The transmission I'm mating to will have no electronics to it at all. I have put this engine into a sandrail and will be using a 1974 5 rib VW bus transmission so she's pretty old school. Hopefully this simplifies the process?

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Maybe.  The transmission logic will still have to be disabled.  IDK how much effort that is.

Photos of the work in progress.
Should be a fun ride once completed. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190510/fe0f29fde10fda58cc4dda0d455b3f9b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190510/8b28062e33539f6a02759081aa6d8520.jpg)

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That looks WOWZA!

Quote from: SHOdded on May 10, 2019, 12:41:26 PM
That looks WOWZA!

Thank you.
Actually been a fun build, should out perform the ole vw engine to. At least I'm hoping!
Few things to finish up them I'm ready to wire the motor in. That's why I'm hoping to find this control pack. Once I have that I can hopefully fire it.


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Good news,
I think I may have found a solution for this. A company out of the UK (SCS Delta) builds a stand alone ECU package for the 2.0 as well. I have contacted them and have conformation they still build it and offer it. The US distributor will be contacting me to discuss. 
I'll post more info once I talk with them.


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Hopefully, progress!  We in the viewing gallery are busy biting nails and gnashing teeth LOL.

This company does offer a standalone for a 2.0. And they do have a distributor in the U.S. out of California. After exchanging multiple emails they offer 2 different tunes for this engine, the second requiring upgrades to the intercooler and exhaust. I would have had to send them my harness which they re-work and ship back with there computer. Average time is 30 days.
Cost for this though is pricey at $2500.

This is where I elected to pull the plug on my swap and project (for now). I just cant see spending $2500 for the 2.0 when there is no longer support for it. $2500 will go a long way into jumping ship to a 2.3. I can use a lot of what I already have and the control pack is available for that engine. I have already ordered one just so I know I will have it before starting!! I wont make that mistake again.... I just wish I had known Ford was going to discontinue these prior to starting this swap, it's a real shame they cant continue to make them or at least support the projects that were under motion. I have to much cost into this now not to finish it up, I guess it will just take longer than I planned and cost a little more....but hopefully have a little more HP to.

I'll update here when the build moves forward.
Thanks for the help and info trying to help me find a solution around this.

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https://www.fordracingbyspeedshopdirect.com/2_0L_ECOBOOST_ENGINE_CONTROL_PACK_p/m-6017-20t.htm (https://www.fordracingbyspeedshopdirect.com/2_0L_ECOBOOST_ENGINE_CONTROL_PACK_p/m-6017-20t.htm)

I am sure you exhausted Google to death. Just in case.

Quote from: Macgyver on June 09, 2019, 09:40:14 PM
https://www.fordracingbyspeedshopdirect.com/2_0L_ECOBOOST_ENGINE_CONTROL_PACK_p/m-6017-20t.htm (https://www.fordracingbyspeedshopdirect.com/2_0L_ECOBOOST_ENGINE_CONTROL_PACK_p/m-6017-20t.htm)

I am sure you exhausted Google to death. Just in case.

Oh yeah, every website/vendor I found that said in stock I called or emailed and all said they were discontinued. I even ordered one from one that in stock just to get refunded a week later due to being out of stock. Appreciate the efforts in taking some time to look. Thanks

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Found this while doing some searching this past weekend. Fortunately I should have a my 2.3 kit this week that I ordered already. Never fails to find something after you have moved on or purchased something else!

I knew there had to be a project build somewhere out there someone had started and lost interest in with parts for sale. Not sure if he will sell it separately or not but at least there is one out there if someone is interested.


1997 miata
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/pts/d/beverly-1997-miata/6899283963.html

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Well....
You ain't gonna believe this until I post video, but...this will be lengthy so bare with me.

As I finally decided the 2.0 was a dead duck I yanked the engine through it on the shelf and have been doing other things to the car. As mentioned in previous posts I ordered a 2.3 control pack just so I knew I would have one when the time came and i figured I had already budgeted for it anyways so might as well get it.

So a few weeks ago this arrived and like a kid on Christmas morning I ripped open the box to go through the items. Alot of unneeded items, but very important ones needed as well. I closed it back up and it sat in garage a few days.

I then decided I might as well layout a few things to see how well things were gonna run where I needed them being I am putting this in basically bass-ackwards from how it should be in a car. Surprisingly I was able to lay it out in a way that reached everything and I only needed to extend the throttle pedal wires to reach where I had previously mounted that. I wired in everything I could, mounted the fuse box and then thought to myself, man to bad I don't have 2.3 engine.

A few more days go buy and curiosity gets the better of me even though everything I read and calls to Ford performance said it wouldn't work. I grabbed the engine harness that had taken off and checked it to the 2.3 kit connections, they all fit and plugged in. Hmmm.....So I reinstalled this to the engine and I proceeded to put the engine in and plug in everything. Fingers crossed I flipped on the switch and.....nothing.

Truth be told I was a chicken sh... so I used the PCM out of the donor car, not the expensive one from the 2.3 kit I purchased. After a few hours of 3 of us testing everything we could we gave up for the night. Next evening 2 of us were back at it and again no luck, no power to things that just should have had power to them. Again, we gave up for the night. All the while in the back of mind I knew this would not work so I was at the point of giving up.

Then tonight I decided to gamble and use the PCM from the 2.3 kit, up to this point I still hadn't done that afraid I could burn it up.

So we plugged it in, flipped the switch, still no fuel pump, dam. I then for the heck of it hit the key and bingo, she rolled over! New life, it hadn't done this before! After a few hours and discovering that I had missed 3 connections on the engine harness to the engine, I flipped the switch on, and still no fuel pump. But, something else in the engine cycled and made a sound. We all looked at each other with that look of, did you hear that?? I cycled the switch and we all heard it again. Again, the engine would roll over but I still did not have my fuel pump to feed the high pressure pump running. My dad finally says, for the heck of it run a wire from the battery ground over to your ground for the harness. So I did, then I flipped the switch and the fuel pump sang us a sweet harmony of fuel racing through my lines to the engine! I set the regulator to 55 pounds then hit the start button knowing there was no way the coils or the high pressure pump would run on this 2.3 PCM. Within mere seconds the engine fired!! It caught me by surprise and I immediately hit the kill switch not knowing what it would do. My dad says what the heck did you do that for?!? I could not believe it fired. I flipped the switch hit the button and it reignited in mere seconds again. It revved slightly then settled into a nice idle and just sat there and ran.

Wtf? Thought this wouldn't run this?? Don't get me wrong I'm excited as heck it did. I'm a long way from believing it will run as I hope but this is a great start. I still have to build my exhaust and button up the engine install and I'm sure there is alot of tuning the engine will need somehow by computer to be right. But starting and idling is a great start in my book.

Now I just to need to figure out the best way to tune this thing!!
Cobb?? I see they make a specific one for 2.0 and 2.3 swaps. Suggestions definitely welcome here.

I'll post a video of it if I can and can figure out how if anyone is interested in it seeing it.


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I thought this was going to be an April Fools Joke. Hahaha

That is good news.

Quote from: Macgyver on July 09, 2019, 10:38:49 PM
I thought this was going to be an April Fools Joke. Hahaha

That is good news.

Haha, no pun intended of course huh

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Update on the build
After the intial fire, I finished up the exhaust and a few other items. The engine had a few codes throwing a cell which I was able to clear. Upon driving 3 issues came up but I have since worked through them.

I now have about 15 hours and 400 miles on the engine. Mainly trail riding around home and one week long trip to Silver Lake sand dunes. Two things to note, its fast and definitely fun!!

This is a 2.0 EcoBoost engine using a 2.3 EcoBoost control pack. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190924/9b90f8442f22695173db0d0673e9ca65.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190924/b10d611906ec44c012f81d2df6afa7ce.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190924/8f12fae4557d79125d3709beafe03db9.jpg)

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Thats amazing.

Hopefully reliable too.

Knock on wood, I hope the reliability I've seen in the first 400 miles continues. Time will tell. I know haven't been easy on it, it's just to addicting to not let it spool!

I think the driveline on the other hand is another story. Again, time will tell.

I'll update as time goes on.

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What is the power to weight ratio ?

Car total weight is around 1400-1500. With driver passenger and gear 1800ish. I plan to have the car weighed soon to get exact numbers as the next stage is suspension work so I need those numbers.

The horsepower on this I really have no idea due to the mixed parts. The 2.0 with the 2.0 control pack was advertised as 252. The 2.3 with the 2.3 control pack was advertised at 310. Not sure where my Frankenstein falls into this category. One of the issues I faced was my boost would fall off dramatically after 15psi then rebuild. I couldn't figure out why but you could watch the gauge and feel it. After some thought and listening while driving I came up with a theory on the wastegate. I put 2 turns on the wastegate spring and wahala, holds 18lbs of boost now consistently. 2.3 ecu boost output on a 2.0 wastegate was my only thought or theory for increasing the spring to hold more pressure as it seemed to "pop off" to soon.

So I really have no idea what the actual HP numbers are. I would like to eventually know but I'd say it would be more for my own curiosity than anything else. 

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That has got to be a rocket and the turbo surge must be impressive for what it is.

Serious eyecandy that walks the talk.  Very cool!

Thanks guys

That's one of the other surprising things in this package,  there is virtually no turbo lag and it builds boost insanely fast. Definitely a slight improvement over the ole air cooled VW that was previously in it!

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Any updates on how this is holding out?

Quote from: BEEFKING69 on December 14, 2019, 11:54:24 PM
Any updates on how this is holding out?

So far it has been excellent and have had no major issues. It is winter here now so its parked until spring. I have some projects planned for it this winter but it will be ready in the spring to run again.

I did fire it up 2 weeks ago, it hadn't ran in over a month and it was cold out. Hit the button and it rolled over about 4 times and set there idling. It was good to hear the turbo whistle,  cant wait until spring! I'll update more once spring hits and I get some more miles on it.

Happy new year!


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Happy New Year!

Quote from: aprilfools on December 30, 2019, 09:18:16 AM

Quote from: BEEFKING69 on December 14, 2019, 11:54:24 PM
Any updates on how this is holding out?

So far it has been excellent and have had no major issues. It is winter here now so its parked until spring. I have some projects planned for it this winter but it will be ready in the spring to run again.

I did fire it up 2 weeks ago, it hadn't ran in over a month and it was cold out. Hit the button and it rolled over about 4 times and set there idling. It was good to hear the turbo whistle,  cant wait until spring! I'll update more once spring hits and I get some more miles on it.

Happy new year!


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Still running well with no major issues from using the 2.3 control pack on a 2.0 engine? Did you make any other changes other than adjusting the spring on the wastegate?

I'm considering swapping a 2.0 or 2.3 into a Willys. The 2.0 has plenty of power for my needs and is about $1000 cheaper than the 2.3 around here so being able to save some cash is always nice.

Quote from: GeorgiaFlattie on October 29, 2020, 02:09:55 PM

Quote from: aprilfools on December 30, 2019, 09:18:16 AM

Quote from: BEEFKING69 on December 14, 2019, 11:54:24 PM
Any updates on how this is holding out?

So far it has been excellent and have had no major issues. It is winter here now so its parked until spring. I have some projects planned for it this winter but it will be ready in the spring to run again.

I did fire it up 2 weeks ago, it hadn't ran in over a month and it was cold out. Hit the button and it rolled over about 4 times and set there idling. It was good to hear the turbo whistle,  cant wait until spring! I'll update more once spring hits and I get some more miles on it.

Happy new year!


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Still running well with no major issues from using the 2.3 control pack on a 2.0 engine? Did you make any other changes other than adjusting the spring on the wastegate?

I'm considering swapping a 2.0 or 2.3 into a Willys. The 2.0 has plenty of power for my needs and is about $1000 cheaper than the 2.3 around here so being able to save some cash is always nice.

Still going strong and has proven to be very reliable. I put an hour meter on this the day it fired and as of now it has 72 hours of run time using all these parts. May not seem like a lot but she gets ran pretty hard at times and driven for recreation.

I have pulled the stock wastegate actuator and put on a turbosmart wastegate. HUGE improvements over stock. Noticable improvements coming on boost quicker and holding it. This package builds boost quickly and I see 20lbs of boost on intial hit and it settles at 18lbs and holds it through the gears. I have a boost gauge and a tablet running off the obd2 port and both match. I can only assume the 2.3 brain is letting me see these boost numbers as the 2.0 I  believe is at 17 stock.

The tablet is mounted in the car and I am using Torque Pro on it with a bluetooth adapter. Works great, I can monitor the entire engine on the fly. I had an intake sensor that was broken and I didnt know it. It through a code and in 10 minutes I was able to diagnose it and replaced, problem solved. That definitely is worth having for trouble shooting and monitoring. 

I have one thing I cannot figure out that I have had since day one and I have not been able to solve it and I have changed many things trying. It has not hurt runnability at all so I have learn to live with it as I have put on all these hours with it. I get a po88 code which is fuel rail pressure to high. The code indicator light is on but it starts, runs and drives perfectly. I can reset the code with torque fire it and it's off. Drive easy and it stays off. Roll into it building boost and it will come on, but again runs fine. I can watch the rail pressure and I can see it increase but not real sure where the limit is to trigger it. I am guessing again it has something to do with the programming for the 2.0 vs 2.3. I have changed all kinds of things in my return thinking it was there but nothing changed it. Its been awhile since I graphed it in torque to remember the numbers I get but I can do that next time I run it and report back what I see.

But overall I could not happier with this set up. I can Sunday cruise with this or let it eat and it puts a smile on your face. Very drivable to say the least. I wouldn't hesitate to do this again knowing what I know now. I was so lost when I started all this. Hopefully Ford hasn't figured this out and made some change that wont let a new pack fire one of these engines. You nailed it to, I see so many 2.0 engines for sale priced insanely cheap for this kind of swap and fun. I know where there is a complete engine for $550. Hard not to go get it for a spare! The are great engines in a nice small package.

Hope this helps.

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