tial wastegate for charge piping

[ZSHO]

Glad everything is working in your favor StealBlueSho and you can finally enjoy the SHO with optimum results to SHO for throughout the summer.....might be a good time to take her to the track.  Z   

[FistyMcgee]

From what I understand is that the setup /build/mod whatever you want to call it, that you made was really applicable only to the SHO side of the house because of the placement being on the noisemaker/noisemaker delete tubing. we should be able to attach this to another pipe on the MKS and make it universal. Is that right, EPP? I'm unusually excited about this.

My second assumption is that this does not have any real effect on tunes that are developed by unleashed/LMS. could I get input from you who have more experience than me on this topic, maybe even the LMS rep on the forum?

Thanks for the build log and sharing with us, this is really exciting!

[AJP turbo]

It could be used for just about any tune but it needs to coincide with your tune and the boost level you run...your tuner needs to have precise boost control or the the mod would be useless or over effective which will over work the turbo

[StealBlueSho]

You would need somewhere on the intake side to mount the wastegate, since it entire purposes is to bleed off the boost spikes. Not sure if closer to the TIP is helpful or not..

From a tuning perspective I have no doubt there is considerations involved in making sure that the tune works with the mod. I did load up an unleashed tune that was targeting a flat 201kpa for desired boost when WOT and gave it a run with the 15.95psi external wastegate spring. My internal WGDC was upper 90% through an entire 1st through 3rd gear run..

The tune from AJPTurbo was targeting slightly higher at 203kpa under WOT.. with the same 15.95 spring in my external WG my internal WGDC on the turbos was significantly lower in the 70's and lower 80's so no doubt there is tuning involved...

[Colorado-SHOBro]

Correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't a blow-off valve in the same location serve the same purpose as this mod? Would a BOV be able to exhaust the pressure in the system quickly enough to be effective and prevent boost spikes?

[AJP turbo]

It could work but a bov bleeds air off when you lift off the gas....i wanted something that bleeds the boost when i have my foot down

You are looking to regulate boost..thats what wastegates do..and there are alot of spring rates available i dont know if u have the selection with a bov

[ZSHO]

I purchased mine through Full-Race and IMHO great overall company and customer service and Corell at corell@full-race.com was very helpful in answering all my questions and here's the link and[spring rate] as AJP mentioned above.  Z  http://www.full-race.com/store/blow-off-valves/tial-bov-spring.html   

[AJP turbo]

I purchased mine through Full-Race and IMHO great overall company and customer service and Corell at corell@full-race.com was very helpful in answering all my questions and here's the link and[spring rate] as AJP mentioned above.  Z  http://www.full-race.com/store/blow-off-valves/tial-bov-spring.html   

Z the fundamental operating principle is completely different....there may be a few springs available but im not even sure which spring you would choose....bov use vacuum to act on the diaphragm to open the valve.....at wot there is no vacuum so you need a device that will open on boost which is exactly what a wastegate does....once a desired pressure is reached then the gate opens....bov's dont work that way at all.

[ZSHO]

I purchased mine through Full-Race and IMHO great overall company and customer service and Corell at corell@full-race.com was very helpful in answering all my questions and here's the link and[spring rate] as AJP mentioned above.  Z  http://www.full-race.com/store/blow-off-valves/tial-bov-spring.html   

Z the fundamental operating principle is completely different....there may be a few springs available but im not even sure which spring you would choose....bov use vacuum to act on the diaphragm to open the valve.....at wot there is no vacuum so you need a device that will open on boost which is exactly what a wastegate does....once a desired pressure is reached then the gate opens....bov's dont work that way at all.

True....just wanted to throw in my positive experience with Full race and especially there customer support and pretty sure the collective minds will come up with a viable solution.  Z

[SHOurpp]

this is a great idea ajp!
i have an atr bov im going to modify for this
didnt even know i could use it!

[AJP turbo]

this is a great idea ajp!
i have an atr bov im going to modify for this
didnt even know i could use it!

I don't know if you can...Nobody has done it....Me thinks it's not the best way...I'm not sure why you would want to....It's completely backwards to try and adapt a device that's meant to hold boost under load and bleed pressure under vacuum.

A wastegate is meant to bleed boost or pressure under load

[Colorado-SHOBro]

this is a great idea ajp!
i have an atr bov im going to modify for this
didnt even know i could use it!

I don't know if you can...Nobody has done it....Me thinks it's not the best way...I'm not sure why you would want to....It's completely backwards to try and adapt a device that's meant to hold boost under load and bleed pressure under vacuum.

A wastegate is meant to bleed boost or pressure under load

AJP is right. I thought a BOV was more or less just a device to release pressure on the intake side(to prevent compressor surge) vs a wastegate on the exhaust side to control turbo speed . . but after further reading it wouldn't work in this application since it gets sucked open instead of pushed open like a wastegate. My bad for introducing any confusion here. There's a company local to me that makes very affordable and good quality BOV's so i was just exploring it as an option vs a $250 wastegate.

[StealBlueSho]

$250 for the wastegate and then $35 or so to have the vband adapter welded to a dump pipe that needs to be bent in the correct position. It's not a cheap modification but well worth it if you are tuned by AJPTURBO.. running 0-60 all day @ 4.3second without break launching...

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[SHOdded]

Well worth it considering it costs same or less than a CAI!

[AJP turbo]

Well worth it considering it costs same or less than a CAI!

Yeah and i can see data improvements ....not so much with the cai