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Title: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on March 04, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Wojomojo - 2010 SHO nonPP - 2/6/2015
Discussion - http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4341.msg67346.html#msg67346 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4341.msg67346.html#msg67346)
PTU http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4341.0;attach=6275 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4341.0;attach=6275)

SHO-Pa - 2011 SHO - 11/19/2014
Discussion - http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3955.msg62673.html#msg62673 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3955.msg62673.html#msg62673)
PTU http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3955.0;attach=5449 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3955.0;attach=5449)
ENGINE http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3955.0;attach=5450 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3955.0;attach=5450)
Title: Re: Blackstone Laboratories Reports
Post by: BlackJac on March 20, 2015, 12:27:39 PM
Is it better to wait until after the first oil change/ break-in period to have the oil tested, say second oil change ?
Title: Re: Blackstone Laboratories Reports
Post by: SHOdded on March 20, 2015, 01:47:45 PM
I don't believe there is any set time to start the analysis.  I'd think the second oil change would be a good point to start, for ongoing purposes.
Title: Re: Blackstone Laboratories Reports
Post by: jbeez on December 28, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Has anyone changed oil change interval or type of oil they use based on analysis so far? How about filters?

What is current best practice for engine oil and ptu?
Title: Re: Blackstone Laboratories Reports
Post by: ZSHO on December 28, 2015, 12:33:06 PM
The Motorcraft FL-500S oil filter is clearly the best choice in my opinion,and Amsoil 75w-140 for the PTU UNIT and 80w-90 for the RDU gear oil is no doubt the best in the market,had mine changed at 33k which the ocd in me is to blame,probably could of waited a little longer,Amsoil,Redline,Penzoil ultra motor oil changed at a 5k interval seems more than adequate.  Z
Title: Re: Blackstone Laboratories Reports
Post by: panther427 on December 28, 2015, 05:32:21 PM
Here is my black stone report
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on February 13, 2016, 08:16:21 PM
That confuses me, they say the high iron could be due to higher than avg interval, then tell you to increase it?
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: panther427 on February 13, 2016, 08:27:33 PM
Ya lol i was a bit confussed on that too.. Other than the fact i had enough TBN to run the oil longer.  The car was tunned the entire run of oil and had several drag strip passes. Plus my driving style is aggressive.. Either way im not to worried about 54PPM based on 1 snapshot.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 06:06:55 PM
Oil Report on Full Synthetic Motorcraft 5w/30 run for 6,000 miles.

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Please chime in and let me know what you think.  My only comment is it appears that 5,000 miles is probably a better interval due to the thin viscosity.  My guess on the fuel dilution is that it's due to me idling at my son's bus stop?  I cold start the car and drive it one mile each day and then it idles for about 10 minutes before I pick him up and run errands.

Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: AJP turbo on November 14, 2016, 06:50:15 PM
Im not sure its fuel dilution...ive seen reports that shows motorcraft oil shearing badly...im questioning the issue of fuel dilution in these and other DI motors...they run leaner at wot and command enrichment later and the fuel spends less time in the cylinder on top of that because its di and the fuel is sprayed late on the compression stroke rather that early in the intake stroke...so a full stroke later
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
I'm no expert, but they measured fuel at nearly 2%.  Wouldn't that be fuel dilution?  I don't buy the lean burning part of DI given that my DI and my Dad's both soot the crap out of the tailpipes.  I know that's not a scientific measurement, but... My tailpipes look dirtier than the 4" pipe that was on my diesel SuperDuty that rolled coal.

I also live in the country with 55mph speed limits and very few stop lights and only average 20mpg.  Same I got with the SuperDuty or my old school v8 CrownVic.  The MKS has decent power, but overall if this is an example of DI...they can keep it!
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: AJP turbo on November 14, 2016, 07:07:52 PM
Pipes may be dirty and i cant tell you why but di motors have less fuel delivered all things being equal...that was one of the benefits and reasons they use less fuel at wot...there is no fuel laden air mixture during the compression stroke so there should be less chance for preignition because there is no fuel present

The crown vic is grossly outperformed in every measurable aspect so if economy is similar that is great accomplishment and diesels are a different animal that uses fuel with much greater energy so apples to well, watermelon

I think the crown vic might run better with an escape with the 2.0....power is about the same lol
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: BlueSHO on November 14, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
I'm no expert, but they measured fuel at nearly 2%.  Wouldn't that be fuel dilution?  I don't buy the lean burning part of DI given that my DI and my Dad's both soot the crap out of the tailpipes.  I know that's not a scientific measurement, but... My tailpipes look dirtier than the 4" pipe that was on my diesel SuperDuty that rolled coal.

I also live in the country with 55mph speed limits and very few stop lights and only average 20mpg.  Same I got with the SuperDuty or my old school v8 CrownVic.  The MKS has decent power, but overall if this is an example of DI...they can keep it!
Don't the results show a trace of fuel? Where's the 2% coming from? Maybe I'm not reading that right.
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Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: BlueSHO on November 14, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
I'm no expert, but they measured fuel at nearly 2%.  Wouldn't that be fuel dilution?  I don't buy the lean burning part of DI given that my DI and my Dad's both soot the crap out of the tailpipes.  I know that's not a scientific measurement, but... My tailpipes look dirtier than the 4" pipe that was on my diesel SuperDuty that rolled coal.

I also live in the country with 55mph speed limits and very few stop lights and only average 20mpg.  Same I got with the SuperDuty or my old school v8 CrownVic.  The MKS has decent power, but overall if this is an example of DI...they can keep it!
Don't the results show a trace of fuel? Where's the 2% coming from? Maybe I'm not reading that right.
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Thanks Steal!  I was reading it wrong.  Not you.  Trace definitely doesn't mean full dilution.

AJP is probably right about the oil shearing.  That would make sense given the results.  Doesn't look to be enough of a problem given the miles accumulated though.

Curious, has anyone done a test on Amsoil Signature in our platform with a full term interval?

I have Mobil 1 Extended Performance in now and will test it to compare.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: BlueSHO on November 14, 2016, 07:14:11 PM
Quote from: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: BlueSHO on November 14, 2016, 07:09:25 PM
Quote from: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
I'm no expert, but they measured fuel at nearly 2%.  Wouldn't that be fuel dilution?  I don't buy the lean burning part of DI given that my DI and my Dad's both soot the crap out of the tailpipes.  I know that's not a scientific measurement, but... My tailpipes look dirtier than the 4" pipe that was on my diesel SuperDuty that rolled coal.

I also live in the country with 55mph speed limits and very few stop lights and only average 20mpg.  Same I got with the SuperDuty or my old school v8 CrownVic.  The MKS has decent power, but overall if this is an example of DI...they can keep it!
Don't the results show a trace of fuel? Where's the 2% coming from? Maybe I'm not reading that right.
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Thanks Steal!  I was reading it wrong.  Not you.  Trace definitely doesn't mean full dilution.

AJP is probably right about the oil shearing.  That would make sense given the results.  Doesn't look to be enough of a problem given the miles accumulated though.

Curious, has anyone done a test on Amsoil Signature in our platform with a full term interval?

I have Mobil 1 Extended Performance in now and will test it to compare.
Steal?  Blue here as in Blue Jeans

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Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:19:52 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on November 14, 2016, 07:07:52 PM
Pipes may be dirty and i cant tell you why but di motors have less fuel delivered all things being equal...that was one of the benefits and reasons they use less fuel at wot...there is no fuel laden air mixture during the compression stroke so there should be less chance for preignition because there is no fuel present

The crown vic is grossly outperformed in every measurable aspect so if economy is similar that is great accomplishment and diesels are a different animal that uses fuel with much greater energy so apples to well, watermelon

I think the crown vic might run better with an escape with the 2.0....power is about the same lol

LOL. They are not rockets!  My point was that the 4.6 2-valve motors are JUNK!  Yet, it pulled around that car and got similar fuel mileage.

I also had a 4.6 3valve Explorer 4x4.  Much better motor and it also got similar fuel economy in a vehicle with worse aerodynamics. 

I like Ford's direction with combining DI and standard EFI.  I think the combo could prove to solve several issues including ability for high power and better overall driving experience.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: sholxgt on November 14, 2016, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: BlueSHO on November 14, 2016, 07:14:11 PM

Steal?  Blue here as in Blue Jeans

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My apologies and thanks for catching my error!
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: AJP turbo on November 14, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Yeah but both those V8 motors had like 60-100 less hp and less tq and less tq down low!....they are better compared to the 2.0 I4 ecoboost lol
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on November 14, 2016, 09:02:19 PM
I think you could put 15,000 miles on the Amsoil before you break it down to the level in this report.  Waiting to see the results on the high mileage Edge now :)
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on May 07, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
Lexingtonian  posted his results today, 5/7/2017
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7740.msg118065.html#msg118065 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7740.msg118065.html#msg118065)

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(https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4472.0;attach=17250;image)
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: Sbouvia on March 04, 2018, 09:01:41 AM
My latest oil analysis. I definitely put some miles on our car.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on March 04, 2018, 10:19:23 AM
Mixed driving, mostly highway, or ...  Thanks for posting up!
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: Sbouvia on March 04, 2018, 05:03:25 PM
I would say most mileage is highway but lately it's been mixed. I'll have to look at engine hours and see average mph.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on March 28, 2018, 06:53:53 AM
we continue to look for UOAs and even VOAs, so feel free to post them in this thread:  engine oil, ATF, PTU/RDU fluid, what have you.  A small descriptive blurb about driving conditions, noting unusual events, would add to the value.  TIA!
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: klrsmith on May 21, 2018, 08:52:34 PM
Here's my 2014 PI.  Normally run Mobil-1 5W-30 with Mobil-1 filter for approximately 8k miles between changes.  DD highway commute to work about 90 miles roundtrip, Get on it more than occasionally though :-D
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on May 22, 2018, 01:33:35 AM
Pretty solid report!
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SilvererSHO on May 22, 2018, 10:52:00 AM
Not knowing a whole lot about oil analysis reports, I'm surprised the aluminum amount isn't much higher.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 6500rpm on October 20, 2018, 05:42:31 PM
First report after using Royal Purple, Mobil 1 filter, and K&N panel filter. We'll see how the second report compares using the same stuff.

(http://imgpond.novarata.net/uploads/2018/10/Blackstone%20report%201.png)
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on October 20, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
Any idea how many engine hours you have on this oil?  Generally 200 hours on mostly/all highway driving, or 100 hours on mostly/all city/stopngo driving are good targets to hit.

An unbiased report on the properties of various engine oils per Blackstone
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oTuPwZHKoSqFLClaZrBhMh9D5vpX0VhLZrmVdLyFnbE/edit#gid=1379600026
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 6500rpm on October 21, 2018, 12:14:58 PM
No idea on run hours. Daily driver-24 miles to and from work about 35 minute each way mostly highway. Royal Purple High Performance 5w30. That chart's fantastic.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: Macgyver on October 21, 2018, 02:21:08 PM
Not one for stretching OCI. 8500 miles? Nope. 3500 and no more for me. $30 bucks. But I can understand people that drive a lot of miles for 3500 to be unreasonable.

Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: mjhpadi on October 24, 2018, 10:24:34 AM
Blackstone Labs told me I was wasting money changing my Royal Purple at 3K intervals after they tested my used oil, so now I go to 4500 miles between changes.  Having Blackstone test my used oil was well worth the 25 bucks it cost.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 6500rpm on October 24, 2018, 08:12:38 PM
I look at the reports more like a watchdog than a reason to stretch my intervals. I average 15-18k miles a year and typically try to change oil every 5-6k miles. It's good to be able to look at data once or twice a year and quantify things like fuel dilution, solids, and water in the system to use as indicators to see if antifreeze or excessive fuel  is starting to enter the system. Also how well the filters are functioning to keep the abrasives at bay.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: Sbouvia on January 20, 2019, 09:24:36 PM
Latest oil analysis for SHO attached. Mostly city driving but a few long trips. Also attached is latest Jeep one so you can see that Blackstone is helpful when issues arise. Jeep seems to have a head gasket or worse going on. Jane the Jeep is going to go under the knife soon for lots of old part changes.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on January 20, 2019, 09:49:42 PM
Yeah the Amsoil is done for.  U use the Amsoil filter?  City driving dumps fuel into the oil, but watch for a trend - injector.

On the jeep:  same oil- castrol hm - the entire time?  Very little antiwear additive.  Seems to be a coolant leak 4 sure.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: Sbouvia on January 21, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Yea I have been using the amsoil filter. I may go back to motorcraft soon. My amsoil guy here keeps filters on hand for me essentially as his other clients don't use that filter. I'll keep look out for fuel in oil, at least injectors look easy to swap on this motor.  Unfortunately there will be quite a bit of city driving until jeep is fixed, we put some mileage on the car. F Super Duty doesn't fit so well in Old Town Alexandria.

Yea I have been using the the castrol hm for a while now on the Jeep. I started using it after I noticed issues with the possible coolant. I tried Mobil 1 at one time in Jeep but that was only for a 3,000 mile oil change.

Straight up amsoil in everything now besides Jeep differentials and transfer case.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 802SHO on February 01, 2020, 06:01:27 AM
Just in.  The Blackstone Laboratories test results of my RDU fluid.  Sample was before my last track outing of the season in October 2019.  Its a low mileage sample of almost 2000 miles of "severe duty".  I will use this test result as my baseline moving forward. 
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on February 01, 2020, 08:16:32 AM
This the first time you used LWSP?  I would not use as a baseline if so, because that high detergency will clean off / out the gunk clinging to the gears and the inside of the case.  Hopefully the next test will show significantly improved numbers.

If it is not the first change, then there might be something to look into.  If you are up to it, take the diff cover off and take a good look inside.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 802SHO on February 01, 2020, 09:35:43 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on February 01, 2020, 08:16:32 AM
This the first time you used LWSP?  I would not use as a baseline if so, because that high detergency will clean off / out the gunk clinging to the gears and the inside of the case.  Hopefully the next test will show significantly improved numbers.

If it is not the first change, then there might be something to look into.  If you are up to it, take the diff cover off and take a good look inside.

Interesting.  In the last 5k miles (Since April 2018) I have changed the fluid 3 times.  Before that I don't know if it was ever changed before.  Mileage was about 69k when I changed it the first time.  I used Royal Purple 75w90. 

Changed again in 3k for the first time with RLWSP.  Then drove about 2k more, changed again.  This sample is what came out after that low mileage duration first using RLWSP.  I think the next test will be perhaps a better baseline. 
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on February 02, 2020, 12:34:19 AM
Fingers crossed :)
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 802SHO on February 05, 2020, 08:30:41 AM
PTU results of same interval ..about 2k miles and same fluid, Redline Lightweight Shockproof gear oil.  Glad I changed it out.  I'll be tapping the PTU to add a drain plug, so I can do a proper flush and rule out left over wear-in from contaminating the rest results.  Confident to see better results next time.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on February 05, 2020, 10:24:05 AM
Did you happen to take pics of the Redline after sampling, and if so, after letting it sit a few hours or more?

This is a comparison of virgin to used product (PTU) 6 months/5K later from my 2007 Edge.  There was some slurry at the bottom of the used fluid.  IDK if the labs shake up the samples before analysis, I assume they do.
(https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4472.0;attach=22302;image)
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 802SHO on February 07, 2020, 06:47:14 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on February 05, 2020, 10:24:05 AM
Did you happen to take pics of the Redline after sampling, and if so, after letting it sit a few hours or more?

This is a comparison of virgin to used product (PTU) 6 months/5K later from my 2007 Edge.  There was some slurry at the bottom of the used fluid.  IDK if the labs shake up the samples before analysis, I assume they do.
(https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4472.0;attach=22302;image)

PTU fluid from sample.  Not bright green anymore that's for sure
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 802SHO on February 07, 2020, 06:48:54 AM
Blackstone Laboratories PTU Test Results.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on February 07, 2020, 08:37:09 AM
Fingers crossed, next result will be much better.  How does it feel drivingwise tho.  With Severe Gear and LWSP in my Edge, I felt almost as if the AWD were absent, in a good way.  Climbing hills at speed is effortless.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: 802SHO on February 07, 2020, 10:12:52 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on February 07, 2020, 08:37:09 AM
Fingers crossed, next result will be much better.  How does it feel drivingwise tho.  With Severe Gear and LWSP in my Edge, I felt almost as if the AWD were absent, in a good way.  Climbing hills at speed is effortless.

That's just it, it feels great.  I'm changing it so much so I don't have a problem.  From what I can see in the reports, its a good thing.  As is its not very good, it would have only been worse. 

Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: Sbouvia on April 09, 2020, 06:03:58 AM
Hey guys, see my latest oil change report from Blackstone. Albeit a little long on the change, as stuff just got in the way. Also note that date on the report and the date on the sample. USPS lost my oil sample and then magically a few months later I got the report. I think this was mostly highway rides. I believe during this time is also when I cleaned out the exhaust pipes when I saw StealBlueSho on I-66. All in all oil looks good from what they are saying.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: SHOdded on April 09, 2020, 07:26:56 AM
Everything looks good, 10K of this type of driving should be fine.

USPS gives me issues mailing samples, so I just go to UPS.  It is more expensive, but I mail multiple samples at a time.  Of course, I also use Polaris, not Blackstone.

I have heard of samples from Illinois frequently being delayed, but never from Virginia.
Title: Re: Oil Analysis Reports
Post by: Sbouvia on April 09, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
USPS legit lost it somewhere between my local post office and the distribution one. Original tracking showed it leaving my post office but never arriving at distribution facility. Then magic happened and it appeared. I called USPS about it and asked about the tracking and their response was well maybe it will show up. The only post office near me that is always a crap shoot is Alexandria on Washington street. The mail carrier always says no you can't ship that, even though I've printed the letter Blackstone has.
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