I have a '13 SHO non pp and want to get some better handling (less body role) while cornering. I really don't want to lower the car with H&R springs. I haven't really heard of anyone putting the pp springs and struts/shocks on a non pp. Has anyone done this? Do the pp springs with struts/shocks handle much better than the non pp?
The Motorcraft PP struts/shocks are a HD version which are also used on the PI.
They are indeed interchangeable AFAIK and shouldn't be an issue which should provide an overall better stiffer suspension without compromise IMO.
Polski swapped them out with great results on his SHO with a set of H&R Springs and hopefully he will chime in.
If you have any questions feel free to ask. Z
Thanks for the info! Sold my Focus ST and I picked up the SHO. I like the SHO a lot! I know it will never handle like a Focus ST, I just wish it handled a little better than it does now. Hoping the PP springs along with struts/shocks help it out.
How many miles on your current setup ? The suspension has an average 60K lifespan. Z
I have 109K on the car. I bought the car used a few years ago. I had to replace the shocks about 10K ago because they were leaking. Not sure if the fronts struts have ever been replaced. One of the front struts has a bad strut mount.
The Rear shocks are prone to leaking and might be wise to have them changed along with a wheel alignment. Z
Quote from: dlepak on February 26, 2018, 09:50:12 PM
Thanks for the info! Sold my Focus ST and I picked up the SHO. I like the SHO a lot! I know it will never handle like a Focus ST, I just wish it handled a little better than it does now. Hoping the PP springs along with struts/shocks help it out.
Sure it will...
I suspect size and weight skews the handling "feeling"
Lets compare...
ST
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 17.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 38.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 8.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (drag limited, C/D est): 150 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 186 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g
PPSHO
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 32.3 sec
Rolling Start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 141 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g
So the SHO trounces the ST on everything but the skidpad with a whopping .01 difference
A set of springs and some stickier tires should fix that.
Just installed the Motorcraft PP struts and shocks, along with the Power Stop K6375 /Z23 brakes and rotors yesterday. The ride is definitely stiffer than the non PP suspension, almost on the harsh side, although I did have 100K on the old suspension so it's not really apples to apples.
Got rid of the "clunk" with a Mevotech sway bar endlink.
Really like the look of the slotted rotors and they stop well too.
Quote from: Leadfoot on March 04, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
Just installed the Motorcraft PP struts and shocks, along with the Power Stop K6375 /Z23 brakes and rotors yesterday. The ride is definitely stiffer than the non PP suspension, almost on the harsh side, although I did have 100K on the old suspension so it's not really apples to apples.
Got rid of the "clunk" with a Mevotech sway bar endlink.
Really like the look of the slotted rotors and they stop well too.
@- Leadfoot Looking Good. :thumb: Some Pic's of the outside perimeter would be ideal. BTW make sure to let the brakes and suspension break/settle in for @ least a couple hundred miles. enjoy. Z :)
Swap away on the 2013 non pp. everything is a direct fit. I also replaced the endlinks when i did mine. The strut mounts on the front were in good shape so I left the old ones. I would recommend deep thru sockets for this job or you have to get creative.
Quote from: polskifacet on March 05, 2018, 02:01:33 PM
Swap away on the 2013 non pp. everything is a direct fit. I also replaced the endlinks when i did mine. The strut mounts on the front were in good shape so I left the old ones. I would recommend deep thru sockets for this job or you have to get creative.
@ -Polski still clenching your teeth over the bumps. Lol. Z :D
Quote from: ZSHO on March 05, 2018, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: polskifacet on March 05, 2018, 02:01:33 PM
Swap away on the 2013 non pp. everything is a direct fit. I also replaced the endlinks when i did mine. The strut mounts on the front were in good shape so I left the old ones. I would recommend deep thru sockets for this job or you have to get creative.
@ -Polski still clenching your teeth over the bumps. Lol. Z :D
LOL with the winter 245/55/18 tires its better but yes still clenching, sometimes more than just teeth lol.
I have a 13 sho pp I put the H&R springs in. It handles way better but the ride suffered for sure. The old give and take factor. I just so wish Blistine made struts and shocks for our Car. Would I do the swap again 100% yes.
Skydog
Quote from: Skydogs on March 08, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
I have a 13 sho pp I put the H&R springs in. It handles way better but the ride suffered for sure. The old give and take factor. I just so wish Blistine made struts and shocks for our Car. Would I do the swap again 100% yes.
Skydog
Bilstein's Correct ? I wondered that myself many year's ago! They are made of great quality indeed. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on March 08, 2018, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: Skydogs on March 08, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
I have a 13 sho pp I put the H&R springs in. It handles way better but the ride suffered for sure. The old give and take factor. I just so wish Blistine made struts and shocks for our Car. Would I do the swap again 100% yes.
Skydog
Bilstein's Correct ? I wondered that myself many year's ago! They are made of great quality indeed. Z
Yes my bad!! Lol I run them on every truck I have owned. Huge huge improvements! And I have been in the auto repair service for 25 years and don't think I have ever seen one leak. The Monro stuff is just JUNK. And KYB only makes there entry level. That is right on par with Monro junk. So I am stuck putting Motorboat back on. Lol
Skydog
Quote from: Leadfoot on March 04, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
Just installed the Motorcraft PP struts and shocks, along with the Power Stop K6375 /Z23 brakes and rotors yesterday. The ride is definitely stiffer than the non PP suspension, almost on the harsh side, although I did have 100K on the old suspension so it's not really apples to apples.
Got rid of the "clunk" with a Mevotech sway bar endlink.
Really like the look of the slotted rotors and they stop well too.
I have 109K on my car. My parts just came in today. I probably will start with the back suspension tomorrow and finish up the fronts next weekend. How was it taking the fronts out and putting the new ones in? Any tips?
Can anyone confirm the part numbers for the SHO performance package springs? The ones that came in look to be for the Police Interceptor. Are these going to be a lot firmer than the performance package springs?
front: DG1Z-5310-N
rear: DG1Z-5560-F
Quote from: dlepak on March 11, 2018, 01:19:57 PM
Can anyone confirm the part numbers for the SHO performance package springs? The ones that came in look to be for the Police Interceptor. Are these going to be a lot firmer than the performance package springs?
front: DG1Z-5310-N
rear: DG1Z-5560-F
The PI and SHO have the same part number! Enjoy. Z
https://www.tascaparts.com/auto-parts/2013/ford/taurus/sho-trim/3-5l-v6-gas-engine/front-suspension-cat/struts-and-components-scat (https://www.tascaparts.com/auto-parts/2013/ford/taurus/sho-trim/3-5l-v6-gas-engine/front-suspension-cat/struts-and-components-scat)
So the Performance Package and Police Interceptor springs are the same. Great! Thought I ordered the wrong parts.
Quote from: dlepak on March 11, 2018, 01:55:00 PM
So the Performance Package and Police Interceptor springs are the same. Great! Thought I ordered the wrong parts.
I verified with www.fordparts.com (http://www.fordparts.com) based on my Vin number which is similar to your vehicle. Z
https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/suspension/chassis-parts (https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/suspension/chassis-parts)
Quote from: dlepak on March 10, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Leadfoot on March 04, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
Just installed the Motorcraft PP struts and shocks, along with the Power Stop K6375 /Z23 brakes and rotors yesterday. The ride is definitely stiffer than the non PP suspension, almost on the harsh side, although I did have 100K on the old suspension so it's not really apples to apples.
Got rid of the "clunk" with a Mevotech sway bar endlink.
Really like the look of the slotted rotors and they stop well too.
I have 109K on my car. My parts just came in today. I probably will start with the back suspension tomorrow and finish up the fronts next weekend. How was it taking the fronts out and putting the new ones in? Any tips?
There's a write-up someone on the forum but I didn't have a chance to look for it.
The strut mounts are directional, so mark one stud before removing and when you install the new assembly, put it in the same hole. There is also an arrow on the strut mount but the mount may move when taking it out.
The two bolts on the bottom of the strut are splined so they need to be pushed (hammered) out from the front.
You'll need a spring compressor to remove the strut mount. My friend owns a garage so I did it there but you can probably take them to a local shop to swap out the struts.
Quote from: ZSHO on March 04, 2018, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Leadfoot on March 04, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
Just installed the Motorcraft PP struts and shocks, along with the Power Stop K6375 /Z23 brakes and rotors yesterday. The ride is definitely stiffer than the non PP suspension, almost on the harsh side, although I did have 100K on the old suspension so it's not really apples to apples.
Got rid of the "clunk" with a Mevotech sway bar endlink.
Really like the look of the slotted rotors and they stop well too.
@- Leadfoot Looking Good. :thumb: Some Pic's of the outside perimeter would be ideal. BTW make sure to let the brakes and suspension break/settle in for @ least a couple hundred miles. enjoy. Z :)
Thanks ZSHO! I took a picture of the "dark side" of the car because the rims were dirty. I've been on the road but should be home this weekend to clean the rims and take better pictures. I bedded the brakes before leaving so the rotors have a little color to them.
(https://i.imgur.com/rSt4VNph.jpg)
Quote from: Leadfoot on March 11, 2018, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on March 04, 2018, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Leadfoot on March 04, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
Just installed the Motorcraft PP struts and shocks, along with the Power Stop K6375 /Z23 brakes and rotors yesterday. The ride is definitely stiffer than the non PP suspension, almost on the harsh side, although I did have 100K on the old suspension so it's not really apples to apples.
Got rid of the "clunk" with a Mevotech sway bar endlink.
Really like the look of the slotted rotors and they stop well too.
@- Leadfoot Looking Good. :thumb: Some Pic's of the outside perimeter would be ideal. BTW make sure to let the brakes and suspension break/settle in for @ least a couple hundred miles. enjoy. Z :)
Thanks ZSHO! I took a picture of the "dark side" of the car because the rims were dirty. I've been on the road but should be home this weekend to clean the rims and take better pictures. I bedded the brakes before leaving so the rotors have a little color to them.
(https://i.imgur.com/rSt4VNph.jpg)
The SHO looks Sweeeeeeet. enjoy. Z :thumb:
Btw fixed the ^^^ PiC for ya. :)