Received the LMS Touchscreen MyCalibrator today, ordered it on Tuesday and it was here on Thursday. Comes with the Touchscreen Unit, OBD2 to RJ45 cable to interface the car and the calibrator, and the USB cable. Plus a plethora of stickers.
The RJ45 connects to the back of the unit and not the bottom, so my current suction cup based window mount will not work with it cleanly, you can see in the picture why...
Not sure if this will effect everyone, but to protect the IP of the tunes, LMS masks the strategy of the HPFP tunes. So in order to start using the new unit I need to wait for LMS to reload my old mycalibrator with my stock strategy, revert the car to the stock calibration, update the new tuning device with my current HPFP tunes, and then connect my new tuning device to the car for updates. Anthony said it should be a simple matter of pushing the tunes back out to the devices. Waiting on a call to let me know I can start.
In any event, the screen is full color which is neat, the device is light weight, and takes up very little room. There is a new software package that needs to be loaded onto your computer that you interface with. Once I get things all setup with LMS and the tunes swapped over I will update this.. and probably create a how to on datalogging with their device.
Just playing around with the gauges... there are a BOAT LOAD of parameters to monitor.. I am not going to even attempt to list them all here at the moment.. I am hoping once I can get the device registered on the computer there is an easier way to select them than the touch screen... otherwise.. a stylists would be a good to have...
Great info as always! Except for the location of the RJ45 port, everything to get excited about :thumb:
So is the cost still as if your a first time buyer? For those of us already running tunes and own the generic my calibrator and want to upgrade?
This is gonna take awhile...
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OK... could things to note thus far...
1: It takes A LONG time for the calibrator to pull your stock file and save it. So when LMS says make sure you have a full charge on the battery and possibly a batter helper on it.. they mean it.
2: The available datapoints to datalog are plentiful, however, a lot of the naming convention is different for the pids. So there is a learning curve in trying to figure out which ones you want to look at.. aka.. knock is proving to be a difficult one to track down..
3: Datalogging in an of itself is a bit lack luster.. you can datalog up to 6 pids at a time which you can argue whether thats good or bad... the lack of being able to datalog 20pids at once kinda stink but usually you are only looking for a few datapoints anyway... so who knows... however you can store up 4 different datalog sessions on the device at any time... which is really nice.
4: You can IMPORT the datalog into live link if you wish, you just need to modify the column format on the time pid... for best results I have found it better to take an existing time column from an SCT device log and paste it into it. You dont have to do it this way but you can... another option is to use the native graph features within excel which work really well..
Overall I think the device is worth while replacement.. but it doesn't have the eye candy and ease of use that the SCT devices offer from a technical datalogging stand point... I do need more time to play with it to get all the ins and outs down.
Thanks the Anthony over at LMS for getting this squared away for me.
Picture of the "Gauges"
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Pictures of the menu to select data points to monitor...
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Those are high level categories with more options as you drill down into each category.
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Main menu
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Diag options
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So excuse my ignorance, but LMS is data logging now or is that something they've always offered before? Plus you didn't comment on if they gave a deal on previous mycal owners for the new system. It does look like it offers much more then the other system. Very nice.
Quote from: Bronco2fan on October 11, 2018, 06:11:36 PM
So excuse my ignorance, but LMS is data logging now or is that something they've always offered before? Plus you didn't comment on if they gave a deal on previous mycal owners for the new system. It does look like it offers much more then the other system. Very nice.
Datalogging is a new feature... it was not something did with the old Mycal device....
And I would suggest you call them for pricing.
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I like the manual transmission pid :D
This is the first iteration of the device, might get down and funky in the next iteration w regards to datalogging, but time will tell.
Quote from: SHOdded on October 11, 2018, 06:19:22 PM
I like the manual transmission pid :D
This is the first iteration of the device, might get down and funky in the next iteration w regards to datalogging, but time will tell.
I am not sure... the descriptions are all different...
For example.. the IAT2 PID in SCT is ACT2 in LMS.. which is under the Turbo category...
There are two datapoints for knock... KNKSNS1_CNT and KNKSNS2_CNT.. but the data being displayed is more traditional information.. not a + or - like you would see in SCT.. its displaying the raw noise data.. which I have no clue how to interpret yet.
I CANNOT find the PID for boost... there is DSD_Boost which I assume is desired boost.. but its not in KPA or PSI..and doesn't tell me...
the learning curve on this is going to be interesting... but what it does tell me, is that engineers put this together... and that if they are pulling this information to develop tunes or to trouble shoot their tunes... I am pretty sure they are not using a mainstream tuning software.. I don't think... lots of questions...
Well, if you get 200 units of boost, it probably is not psi unless they are decimalating the numbers too :D
I have raw noise numbers on my Edge using Forscan. The only value is comparing to the numbers for a "standard" engine of the same variety. And I do not know where to get that data.
Stellar SBS! Now Just getting accustomed to the new hardware ! Z
Quote from: ZSHO on October 12, 2018, 07:09:47 AM
Stellar SBS! Now Just getting accustomed to the new hardware ! Z
Yea. I am going to sit down and write out all the current PIDs that are available on this device. So far it appears that all the data is streamed RAW from the sensors.. LMS will need to fix that if they want to advertise gauges. Without being able to monitor the basics such as knock, boost, fuel trims, etc its almost useless for a gauge.
I have an email into Anthony.
This is just an example of a datalog modified to import into live link which provides better detail than native excel graphs... the LMS TouchScreen datalogs in tenths of a second. So my earlier suggestion of copying the time column from an SCT log is not advisable.. it skews the graphs. Best to just change the format of the column to "general" and autofill in increments of .1
Yellow = Knksen1_Cnts
Blue = Spark 3
Orange = FRP 1 (fuel pressure desired I suspect as the line is too constant)
Green = Trans_Oil_Temp
Dark Blue = Spark 2
Look at the knock sensor reading.. I believe that is the raw data in Hz..
So found out by accident that my current window mount is a universal square connector. Which just happens to be the same one that LMS uses...
You can save a couple bucks if your window mount already has this coupler.
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Isn't THAT a welcome coinkydink! Sweet!
:bigthanx: Big Thanks to SBS for taking his time and resources in order to give us a first hand look on exactly what new features the new LMS Calibrator has to offer,especially his fair and unbiased review in respect to each and every tuner on board. :thumb: That's Pure commitment on his part. Z
:thankyou:
Quote from: ZSHO on October 13, 2018, 02:28:27 PM
:bigthanx: Big Thanks to SBS for taking his time and resources in order to give us a first hand look on exactly what new features the new LMS Calibrator has to offer,especially his fair and unbiased review in respect to each and every tuner on board. :thumb: :thumb:
Thats Pure commitment on his part. Z
:thankyou:
No worries, I enjoy this kinda stuff and the more information the ecoboost community has, the more informed decisions they can make. Although I will say unless something radically changes I am pretty much done for the foreseeable future trying different tuners. But THAT is a discussion for a different time.
I really want this Touchscreen Mycalibrator to be a home run for LME. I think the potential is there for this to be a stellar product that really does put an end to this "LMS doesn't datalog or offer a device that allows you too so its just a canned tune" argument to bed.
The caveat being since a lot of the parameters they look at when tuning being "proprietary", expect to see only the "usual" PIDs on the new device. No biggie, and this device will surely be a big hit :thumb:
Quote from: SHOdded on October 13, 2018, 03:25:06 PM
The caveat being since a lot of the parameters they look at when tuning being "proprietary", expect to see only the "usual" PIDs on the new device. No biggie, and this device will surely be a big hit :thumb:
Oh no doubt they are not giving away anything that would be considered or related to their secret sauce.
But they do need to update it to allow for basic monitoring of fuel trims, boost, knock at a minimum.
Only thing from a user standpoint I would recommend is making the PID selection more touchscreen friendly. As of right now the only way to really use it is with a stylist as far as setting up the gauges.
I really do like the ability to store up to 4 datalogs at once...
The screen itself it really nice too, LMS has clearly setup the colors to promote their brand (blue and white) but the screen is capable of the full color spectrum.
Additionally it also APPEARS the software on the tuner itself was developed by or for LMS... sniffing the USB data only provides LMS branded info.
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As an example, the standard MyCalibrator has hypertech branded in the usb packets sent.
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Really? I guess they had to start SOMEwhere!
Quote from: SHOdded on October 13, 2018, 05:04:51 PM
Really? I guess they had to start SOMEwhere!
Oh I'm not criticizing... they moved off SCT to something that they could use for the proprietary software.. hypertech is so generic you can put almost anything on it...
It's just a piece of hardware to push a tune...
And the new tune files all say converted at the end. So they have made changes to the tuning software too...
All new and exciting things!
IMHO organically developed stuff from major vendors are generally much better than resold gear.
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