Well, I was going to get all technical(or at least try) with this testing, but the GoPro video turned out to reveal no noise difference being noticed...Tablet died due to long day, and grabbing the wrong charger for other tablet, and they all performed so close there isn't much to debate IMO.
MDesign:
After receiving the MDesign from Paul (pjw...), I installed it for the week leading up to testing the intakes. Was a slight pain for me to install due to the little to non existent wire play I had with IAT1. I ended up pre mounting the sensor in CAI before hooking up the intake piping. I really didn't like how the sensor just sits in a rubber grommet that is quite loose IMO. Stock and Windstorm boxes both have very sturdy platform for this to mount to and it made me a little uncomfortable. But it held up and performed well.
Sound: Gave a little more of a whistle sound at low rpm throttle input, but quieted as it ramped up I thought. Could be other noise drowning it out, but not audible to me with windows up at higher speeds.
Milan Dragway 4-11-15 for DA reference
2 runs for the MDesign:
12:33 PM 1:55 PM
DA at 12:53...342 DA at 1:53....567
RT +.1097 +.1415
60 1.7606 1.8210
330 5.1250 5.2096
1/8 7.9536 8.0551
1/8 87.17 mph 86.83 mph
1000 10.3850 10.4985
1000 100.52 mph 99.84 mph
1/4 12.4383 12.5655
1/4 110.02 mph 108.67 mph
Stock Box with K&N drop in
3:26 PM 4:20 PM
DA at 2:53...621 DA at 3:53....637
RT +.2489 +.0701
60 1.8072 1.7760
330 5.1895 5.1379
1/8 8.0271 7.9615
1/8 86.99 mph 87.34 mph
1000 10.4635 10.3879
1000 100.50 mph 100.72
1/4 12.5196 12.4440
1/4 109.74 mph 109.47
Windstorm(modded)
5:23 PM 6:01 PM 6:23 PM
DA at 4:53....648 DA at 5:53....651 DA....651
Bad launch(no boost)
RT +.3605 +.3254 -.0805
60 2.0127 1.7727 1.7821
330 5.3936 N/A 5.1612
1/8 8.2328 7.9577 7.9889
1/8 86.84 mph 87.65 mph 87.17 mph
1000 10.6721 10.3781 10.4186
1000 100.06 mph 100.93 mph 100.49
1/4 12.7261 12.4211 12.4678
1/4 109.74 mph 110.28 110.03
Looking over these times and my slips from last year...the 60' is the main factor that either makes or breaks your run.
Nice work, Rich, thanks for doing all this work!
Quote from: SHOdded on April 23, 2015, 09:15:17 AM
Nice work, Rich, thanks for doing all this work!
Thx...my pleasure. Track day is always fun. What a great bunch of people out at Milan. You're allowed all over the place, which gets you right on the line...either at the wall or directly behind in the staging lanes. Always a good time.
Rich
I see tapatalk didn't like me spacing instead of using columns....note to self
Rich
Floating time in the center of windstorm times is the 3rd run if using Tapatalk...easy to see on desktop
Rich
If you subtract the RT, from each of the results, you should get the absolute time correct? With such a bad RT on the last run , I'm curious what the real numbers are for each of the runs.
Quote from: 14SHOCAR on April 23, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
If you subtract the RT, from each of the results, you should get the absolute time correct? With such a bad RT on the second result, I'm curious what the real numbers are for each of the runs.
RT has nothing to do with the ET. Your time doesn't start until you break the line, you could sit there for 20 seconds and still not affect the time.
Rich
Quote from: SHOnUup on April 23, 2015, 10:18:38 AMRT has nothing to do with the ET. Your time doesn't start until you break the line, you could sit there for 20 seconds and still not affect the time.
Rich
10-4 -- makes sense.
Those couple RT'S are driving me crazy...one was the car falling on its face with too much brake boost...but the other .3 was my slowness
Rich
Other then sound difference and maybe a little under-the-hood eyecandy, it appears an aftermarket intake on this car is pretty much pointless. If there is a slight performance difference it appears to be negligible.
Quote from: SHO-Time on April 23, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
Other then sound difference and maybe a little under-the-hood eyecandy, it appears an aftermarket intake on this car is pretty much pointless. If there is a slight performance difference it appears to be negligible.
I second that thought. From my dyno results I got +2 AWHP and -4 AWTQ. I do have a whooshing sound, but that too, gets old after a while.
I do want to mention that I would like to see if we can get plastic pipe replacements for the tubing that leads up to the turbo and the charge pipe. I wonder if it is a limitation of the other intake piping, not the intakes themselves......
Quote from: SHO-Time on April 23, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
Other then sound difference and maybe a little under-the-hood eyecandy, it appears an aftermarket intake on this car is pretty much pointless. If there is a slight performance difference it appears to be negligible.
Agreed.
Fortunately nailed a good 60' with each intake and produced almost identical results.
I wonder how they all perform at a higher mod level though?
Rich
Great work on this Rich! I love seeing real world data!
Quote from: ecoboostsho on April 24, 2015, 08:45:28 AM
Great work on this Rich! I love seeing real world data!
Thank you.
Real world data is my favorite. Actual results with heat soak on cement vs hood open on rollers.
Congrats to Ford on a quality intake...boo to them on the twisted accordion mess that follows.
Rich
That is some cool hardcore data Rich,analysis are pretty even,but at the end the clear winner was you buddy with that 12.42 ET. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on April 24, 2015, 05:17:09 PM
That is some cool hardcore data Rich,analysis are pretty even,but at the end the clear winner was you buddy with that 12.42 ET. Z
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Quote from: ZSHO on April 24, 2015, 05:17:09 PM
That is some cool hardcore data Rich,analysis are pretty even,but at the end the clear winner was you buddy with that 12.42 ET. Z
Thx buddy. Was a complete blast, helped out by Paul and his buddy being there.
4 of 7 runs in the 12.4's...left a pretty good smile on my face for days :D
Rich
Great info Rich. 12.4 wow that is quick!
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Quote from: ShoBoat on April 24, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
Great info Rich. 12.4 wow that is quick!
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Thanks...hoping we can sneak into the 12.2's on May 16th...need some good DA for that I think...cmon mother nature, nice cool morning would be great
Rich
Time slips from the best runs for each.
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Rich
Thanks for doing this Rich.
I think you saved some folks money and gave a whole bunch of us buyers remorse, LOL!
Glad I only bought a 50$ k&n over a 300$ intake... I was pretty sure when I bought the filter that the stock air box would work well. I have a foxbody mustang also, the stock air box makes the most power in these
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So I've had a different result on the 2015.....
The poor throttle response issue is non-existant.
Intake temps get warm but recover quickly with some throttle application....in the old car it got to a certain point that it just wouldn't recover.
I also gained +1 MPH trap speed....of course with all the variables, who knows?
Almost makes me think I screwed up something when I installed it but I had it on and off 3 or 4 times.
ugh....
Better heat shielding in the engine cover?
I have no idea, looks the same but I never really looked closely at the 2013's. Mine is currently off and I've been watching cat temps instead. Dash command doesn't give me the plethora of gauges that torque does on one screen.
Maybe a hidden change in the fender that affects airflow?
Idk........still scratching my head about it.
Late to the party (As always it seems LOL).
Based on slips if I read them right that stock is faster than MDesign and Windstorm? Or did I read them wrong.
Based on reading all the threads I have been reading to catch up to SHO / ECOBoost modding, it seams stock as always with a BMC filter is best until someone one removes the Saxophone turn to the turbos?
Quote from: m3dragon on August 26, 2015, 12:18:22 PM
Late to the party (As always it seems LOL).
Based on slips if I read them right that stock is faster than MDesign and Windstorm? Or did I read them wrong.
Based on reading all the threads I have been reading to catch up to SHO / ECOBoost modding, it seams stock as always with a BMC filter is best until someone one removes the Saxophone turn to the turbos?
Windstorm (modded) 12.42
MDesign. 12.43
Stock with K&N drop in 12.44
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Quote from: SHOnUup on August 26, 2015, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: m3dragon on August 26, 2015, 12:18:22 PM
Late to the party (As always it seems LOL).
Based on slips if I read them right that stock is faster than MDesign and Windstorm? Or did I read them wrong.
Based on reading all the threads I have been reading to catch up to SHO / ECOBoost modding, it seams stock as always with a BMC filter is best until someone one removes the Saxophone turn to the turbos?
Windstorm (modded) 12.42
MDesign. 12.43
Stock with K&N drop in 12.44
Thanks for the clarification.
No problem...2 hundredths of seperation for 3 CAI'S...that's pretty close
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I bumped a thread for the dead about I believe Mike was it who made a custom direct feed intake. Anyone have any more info as last updated in 2013. Based on logic that sounds like the only real solution.
I am trying to get a BMC filter right now as they seem to flow the best next to S&B from my experience. K&N and AFE are ok.
FYI....the BMC cotton airfilter is lightly OILED....I have the AFE nano synthetic dry filter, it is 35 dollars less then the BMC, I am quite happy with it until someone produces a CAI that makes significant hp on my minimal modded SHO.
Well that settles that. Just ordered a drop in.