I am looking for suggestions on a quality oil filter for my car. I am not looking for a war, just some suggestions specifically for a hard run SHO Ecoboost twin turbo tuned vehicle. I have decided on Castrol 5w-30 Magnatec with 5000 mile change interval. My manual highly recommended the MC FL500S, not because of better filtration but because the EcoBoost motor is sensitive to oil filter, non fl500s filters can cause hard or slow cold starts, start up noises and ticks. I believe it has something to do with the "relief valve" and not the filtration. Regardless I want the best this list suggests for my car. Thanks for any help or suggestions
Motorcraft is the optimal filter for your Ford vehicle, regardless. UNLESS you go for extended OCIs and do not change the filter in between. THEN you need the extended life filters such as from Mobil1, Purolator, Amsoil, Royal Purple, etc.
No worries about a war !! I think you pretty much summed it up above and go with the Motorcraft Fl -500s oil filter. Z
You are talking about the anti drain back valve...many filters have that now.
There are better oils than motorcraft ,better parts, better catch cans, better wheels better stereo and speakers
Whoever makes that filter for ford likely gave the lowest bid...that stock filter is not special...the best attribute of the motorcraft filter is the price ford pays
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2017, 08:02:42 AM
You are talking about the anti drain back valve...many filters have that now.
There are better oils than motorcraft ,better parts, better catch cans, better wheels better stereo and speakers
Whoever makes that filter for ford likely gave the lowest bid...that stock filter is not special...the best attribute of the motorcraft filter is the price ford pays
Well articulated there Bradley. +1 million
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I stand by my filter recommendations. MC is an optimal choice for 5k OCIs. Even nonFord owners prefer them.
Oils yes you can do better, but the mc oils are not bad ... For 5k normal use.
I wonder if Ford would void your precious warranty!!!
Here's a Pdf for comparison. Z
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiVWhxWWRpN3RDS1U/view?usp=drivesdk
Quote from: ZSHO on August 28, 2017, 08:20:44 AM
I wonder if Ford would void your precious warranty!!!
That would be highly illegal , dont scare avid lol
Looks like much to do about nothing...something tells me the nitrile seal only gets brittle after extended use that even the mfg of the filters that that material would say is too long...so for normal use i find it hard to believe the nitrile is not adequate...you mean many of the filter companies got it wrong lol?
And i like how motorcraft says that 50 flutes offer easier removal lol...most of the filters that are 15 flutes ate standard cap sizes so your average set of filter cap wrenches will fit...you are stuck using a strap wrench or filter pliars for motorcraft
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on August 28, 2017, 08:20:44 AM
I wonder if Ford would void your precious warranty!!!
That would be highly illegal , dont scare avid lol
Looks like much to do about nothing...something tells me the nitrile seal only gets brittle after extended use that even the mfg of the filters that that material would say is too long...so for normal use i find it hard to believe the nitrile is not adequate...you mean many of the filter companies got it wrong lol?
And i like how motorcraft says that 50 flutes offer easier removal lol...most of the filters that are 15 flutes ate standard cap sizes so your average set of filter cap wrenches will fit...you are stuck using a strap wrench or filter pliars for motorcraft
I was simply advising precaution against any aftermarket part that's all !!
I wonder what the outcome would be if you had a timing chain rattle in conjunction with a after aftermarket oil filter under warranty!!.
To the OP best of luck. Z
My MKS has 145k miles on it and my previous MKZ had 185k miles. Always used motorcraft (filters) and never had a single oil related issue ever with either car.
Motorcraft filters are the way to go for these cars.
Quote from: ZSHO on August 28, 2017, 11:24:04 AM
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on August 28, 2017, 08:20:44 AM
I wonder if Ford would void your precious warranty!!!
That would be highly illegal , dont scare avid lol
Looks like much to do about nothing...something tells me the nitrile seal only gets brittle after extended use that even the mfg of the filters that that material would say is too long...so for normal use i find it hard to believe the nitrile is not adequate...you mean many of the filter companies got it wrong lol?
And i like how motorcraft says that 50 flutes offer easier removal lol...most of the filters that are 15 flutes ate standard cap sizes so your average set of filter cap wrenches will fit...you are stuck using a strap wrench or filter pliars for motorcraft
I was simply advising precaution against any aftermarket part that's all !!
I wonder what the outcome would be if you had a timing chain rattle in conjunction with a after aftermarket oil filter under warranty!!.
To the OP best of luck. Z
Nothing...most of the time ford just says its normal because tens of thousands of fords do that
It would be like them saying that sunoco gas is not acceptable but exxon is
Motorcraft filters are NOT an essential variabl....but they are acceptable
After reading the various forums on oil filter suggestions, and since I change at 5,000 or before AND am under warranty with a current turbo leak and P0430 SES light that comes back on after 50 miles, I will stay with the manuals suggested MC FL500S, and be happy. Especially after that wonderful PDf of the MC filter breakdown, why not? (Not really a question that needs to be answered)
Thanks for all the help!
BTW on the SHO forum they mention the anti drain back valve keeps constant pressure or something on the timing chain tensioner for longevity over time. And I don't want to mess with that! Ha ha
That's great to hear the PDF came in handy. Z :)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdidUFnVzR2U3JNbkU/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdidUFnVzR2U3JNbkU/view?usp=drivesdk
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2017, 08:02:42 AM
Whoever makes that filter for ford likely gave the lowest bid...that stock filter is not special...the best attribute of the motorcraft filter is the price ford pays
depends, the OEM filter for my minivan is made by WIX, so I usually buy OEM for it.
Used to use the motor craft filter religiously, then did some research and have used a Mobil-1 ever since.
https://gear4wheels.com/best-oil-filter/
http://mycarneedsthis.com/the-best-oil-filters-and-reviews-guide/ (http://mycarneedsthis.com/the-best-oil-filters-and-reviews-guide/)
The specs look great on paper, but the fact remains, based on my own testing on the Edge, only the Motorcraft filter has never caused a startup rattle. There is no doubt the extended life filters have a lot going for them, but I would rather have to change a MC filter twice during an extended OCI than go with another brand even though I very much want to.
Tested: motorcraft, k&n, mobil1 ep, amsoil. Have not tested rp yet, on my list. Also on my list is aFe, since they have a larger capacity version of the filter for my Edge.
Never had a startup rattle till i tried a non-motorcraft filter. Even the new Purolator Boss may not be immune.
Thats really weird, I had the exact opposite experience. I was using my usual Motorcraft filter and started getting the startup rattle, switched to the mobil-1 never to be heard from again. The mobil filters are kind of old school with super heavy metal casing, I picked one up for the first time and was like Holy Sh*t!
Yup they got HEFT LOL. Well if it solves the problem for your SHO, then stick with it! glock at one time was using Fram Extra Guard (?) and said it worked out. Don't know if that is still the case.
Quote from: SHOdded on August 28, 2017, 05:36:15 PM
The specs look great on paper, but the fact remains, based on my own testing on the Edge, only the Motorcraft filter has never caused a startup rattle. There is no doubt the extended life filters have a lot going for them, but I would rather have to change a MC filter twice during an extended OCI than go with another brand even though I very much want to.
Tested: motorcraft, k&n, mobil1 ep, amsoil. Have not tested rp yet, on my list. Also on my list is aFe, since they have a larger capacity version of the filter for my Edge.
Never had a startup rattle till i tried a non-motorcraft filter. Even the new Purolator Boss may not be immune.
I'm going to give the boss a try. Been running the amsoil filters since I bought my sho. Great filtration, but rattles often at a cold startup with 5w30 (with 5w20, cold start rattle is very rare). I like the Pure Boss filters. I Run them on other vehicles. Gonna swap my amsoil filter for 1 this weekend to try. I'm only 2k into the oil change. The rattle was just something I grew to expect.
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Cool, hope it works out!
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 28, 2017, 08:02:42 AM
You are talking about the anti drain back valve...many filters have that now.
There are better oils than motorcraft ,better parts, better catch cans, better wheels better stereo and speakers
Whoever makes that filter for ford likely gave the lowest bid...that stock filter is not special...the best attribute of the motorcraft filter is the price ford pays
I've owned a dozen Ford's and used MC filters on all of them, and you are actually the first person I've seen to not recommend the MC filters. They are known to be the best bang for your buck on the market. They are definitely not the best filter you can find, but at it's price point, nothing is going to touch it. Plus being OEM helps if there ever were to be warranty claims.
In my experience, the MC's and Purolator's are also eerily similar, and independent tests have shown they are also very similar (like Purolator manufacturers them...) Plus all anti-drain back valves are not equal. MC uses a quality silicone anti drain back, and I think you'd be hardpressed to find one with equal quality for the price.
I'm trying something new next oil change.
Wix XP
p/n 57502XP
good specs and wix is pretty well regarded in general.
good luck, hope it is a positive experience!
Purolator Boss PBL22500 for those who want to try it.
Quote from: SHOdded on September 07, 2017, 04:17:00 PM
good luck, hope it is a positive experience!
Purolator Boss PBL22500 for those who want to try it.
Just put 1 on a few days ago. Cold start Rattle still present. But seems shorter? I'm also wondering if the cold rattle could be the hpfp. Experimenting will be fun
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I have had best luck with K&N . Least amount of chatter after long sit times and when watching videos of all filters cut open the k&N had the best quality media/parts was very disappointing to see some of the other filters cut open.
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Quote from: Davidsiebert2 on February 08, 2019, 08:28:50 AM
I have had best luck with K&N . Least amount of chatter after long sit times and when watching videos of all filters cut open the k&N had the best quality media/parts was very disappointing to see some of the other filters cut open.
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100% Agree. I wonder it the cheaper oil filters with less filter medium is just letting the oil into the motor fast/easier causing startup rattle to dissipate quicker. What weight oil is everyone using in the winter months... A huge consideration considering some of the cold oil liquidity tests ive seen...
I've always been using 5w30 Mobil 1 .
If I could find amsoil I would use that but not easy to find in my area
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Quote from: Davidsiebert2 on February 08, 2019, 08:28:50 AM
I have had best luck with K&N . Least amount of chatter after long sit times and when watching videos of all filters cut open the k&N had the best quality media/parts was very disappointing to see some of the other filters cut open.
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I'm currently using a K&N filter. I only put 500 miles on my car or less since switching to it and storing my car. I have moved my car outside a few times, leaving it overnight in subzero weather and I did notice there was no chatter on start up. I doubt it is completely eliminated but I was impressed by that. Of course it is a much more expensive filter but I agree that its ...at this point...worth it. I'm happy with it.
Previously I usually always go with the motorcraft filter as it seems the best for quiter cold starts(chatter) than WIX and FRAM. At least in my experience WIX was the worst for chatter.
Quote from: Davidsiebert2 on February 08, 2019, 09:57:13 AM
I've always been using 5w30 Mobil 1 .
If I could find amsoil I would use that but not easy to find in my area
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That's interesting bc I have Mobil 1 5w20 with this K&N. Maybe thats a good combo?
Usually I'm always Royal Purple 5w20 and the motorcraft filter.
In the cold months if your start up temperature is at or near 32 F you should switch to a 0w20-30 full synthetic. This greatly reduces oil starvation at start up / warm up in cold weather.
There were days last winter here in Germany, i would cringe at the thought of starting my car in the morning because the temp was -15 Celsius below zero.
Conversely, Folks living in the southern states that routinely see temps above 100F such as Las Vegas for instance, may want to run a 10w40 or even a w50 if tracking the car. I know for a lot of car guys and gals that this is old news, but some folks forget the weight of the oil actually has to do with viscosity within a given temp range in Celsius. Also it should be said that FULL synthetic group 4 or 5 is the only oil to use now a days, no need to go near anything else...
OK im off the soap box
Try Royal Purple HPS. Yes it is not as easily available as the street SAE version, but I am pretty sure you will like it :). Amazon and Walmart both offer it.
If you are concerned about cold or hot extremes, get familiar with the viscosity and HT/HS properties of oils. Remember the timing system will be affected by unnecessarily high oil pressures, so unless you monitor the engine closely with measurements, do not go too far afield.
Quote from: SHOdded on February 08, 2019, 10:40:01 AM
Try Royal Purple HPS. Yes it is not as easily available as the street SAE version, but I am pretty sure you will like it :). Amazon and Walmart both offer it.
If you are concerned about cold or hot extremes, get familiar with the viscosity and HT/HS properties of oils. Remember the timing system will be affected by unnecessarily high oil pressures, so unless you monitor the engine closely with measurements, do not go too far afield.
I believe I will try Royal Purple HPS. I just did a quick read and it sounds great.
Change your oil more often with a quality Full synthetic Group III or IV based Motor Oil while avoiding Media recommendations will keep your Cam phasers happpy! Z :)
I forgot to mention Redline oil & Motorcraft FL-500S Filter.
I think people forget that proper viscosity selection is a product of operating temps. If you road race a SHO with no oil cooler you might need a 50 weight oil. I don't know that a 20 weight oil is thick enough to give adequate pressure after it's well used and sheared and in hot climates.
Viscosity is relative to temperature.
Viscosity discussions are usually pretty silly unless you have an oil pressure gauge....And if you don't have a gauge then the factory recommended is probably ideal unless you road race or operate in climates outside of what is in the owners manual.
Basically you want the THINNEST oil that provides PROPER OIL PRESSURE.
Oops I see the title is for best filter lol