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Ecoboost Performance => General Discussion => Topic started by: EcoHell on July 11, 2018, 08:50:51 PM

Title: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on July 11, 2018, 08:50:51 PM
Hello everyone.  My name is Bill and I live on Long Island, NY.  I just picked up my new daily, named EcoHell.  She is a 2018 Explorer Sport, with the 401a package in White Platinum. 

(https://i.imgur.com/v94gtrj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KpWTxLq.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/cvFZ3Q9.jpg)

My first two mods were installed today..Weathertech floor mats and window deflectors.  I am looking at aftermarket wheels and tuning package (looking into Livernois right now, but who knows).  Now if you wondering about the name of my daily, wellll, there is a family of vehicles having "Hell" in their name.

Say hello to MonSoonHell:

(https://i.imgur.com/z6t8hTE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cXWN7z5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZUPKUV4.jpg)


And my retirement gift to myself is BloodyHell:

(https://i.imgur.com/h6Sjtk8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Gc2SiUn.jpg)


MonSoonHell was a 2012 Audi S4, Prestige, 6spd Manual and highly modified.  I sold her in June.  BloodyHell is a 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo, 6spd Manual and highly modified. 

I don't plan on going crazy with EcoHell, just the modifications I mentioned above.  I am falling more and more in love with her every time I drive her.  I have questions and hope someone can answer my questions or at least point me in the right direction..

1) besides not being able to pass an emission inspection with the Livernois Motorsports T460 Performance Package, is there other packages that has shown to be reliable and pass an emission inspection?

2) I have seen a  22x9 (F) and 22x10.5 (R) set up, which I like.. what is the widest rim and what offset can i go with?

3) Lastly, are there any Long Islanders out there with modified Sports?

Thanks in advance for looking, reading and responding back.  Stay tuned for more mods and more toys..



Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on July 29, 2018, 01:38:13 AM
Ok..here are some pictures of the install of the Livernois Motorsports (LMS) parts.

First...stock dyno run:
(https://i.imgur.com/NepgHPA.jpg)

Then we moved onto the downpipe install:
(https://i.imgur.com/OkvTVMF.jpg)

These pipes by American Racing bolt up and are a perfect bolt on product.  With the above picture you can see before the bolts when in, it was a perfect fit.

Next the lowering springs were installed.  The springs are H&R 51630 with rear camber bolts (or so we thought).  This is what LMS sent in the package, having a part number of 81280..
(https://i.imgur.com/28z8Xol.jpg)


I contacted LMS through emails and phone calls for two days. I sent photos showing their camber bolts were for the front and not the rear.  They claimed they were the correct bolt.  I ultimately contacted their source for the camber bolts and purchased two rear camber bolts.  They will be here on Monday.  This is what the bolt is supposed to look like, having the part number of 84130:
(https://i.imgur.com/b4TWCUd.jpg)


I contacted LMS and said I would return their camber bolts and they can see for themselves. My concern was they were sending the wrong camber bolts to other customers, where it could become a safety issue.  If used one would only be able to capture 3 threads at the most, which looking at the nut you would not be able to utilize the nuts special feature where it is tapered at the end to basically lock onto the threads.  One doesn't have to install the bolt to see this occurring, simply place the bolt next to the OEM bolt installed.  My shop would not attempt to install for safety and liability reasons.

Since we had this issue, we held off on the springs and installed their Windstorm CAI.  Unfortunately there was an small issue with this product.  The CAI comes with an Air Temperature Sensor (ATS) wire extension that does not fit the OEM ATS itself.  The issue is the guide or alignment tabs of the OEM ATS matching the grooves for their ATS wire extension.  A simple fix is to snip and file off one of the OEM ATS guide/alignment tabs.  I am not sure if this is a change in the 2017/2018 models, as the Livernois Motorsports ATS wire extension comes with a tag saying it is for earlier models of Ex.

Anyone have an earlier model Ex that installed their CAI kit and if so did you have this issue as well?

The second day EcoHell was still on the lift.  Still working with LMS on the camber bolts and having purchased the correct camber bolts..we buttoned up the install of the springs.  Plus, I have not received my new rims yet, so the stock camber bolts will work until they arrive.

Anyhoot, I apologize for not taking additional pictures of the install, but being retired I am enjoying driving BloodyHell for my daily chores and of course I get in conversations everywhere I go. So here are pictures of the before and after stance of EcoHell:

Before:
(https://i.imgur.com/KpWTxLq.jpg?1)

After:
(https://i.imgur.com/yYCtDh8.jpg?1)
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on July 29, 2018, 01:40:08 AM
I just want to give LMS a shout-out for their products and their customer service. I wasn't expecting the process for their tune(s), but I get it. Their customer service has been what I expected.. true professionals.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: SHOdded on July 29, 2018, 05:22:12 AM
Looking better (and hopefully sounding better) all the time!
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on July 29, 2018, 10:00:41 PM
Actually, it does sound alittle louder, however, the OEM exhaust, to me, kills the downpipes.  I will purchase a cat-back system, however, I want the quad tips.  Still deciding on which rims to go by.  I received a response to my question above regarding the install of LMS' CAI...on the 2016 it was a plug and play..so it must be definitely a 2018 and possibly a 2017 issue. 
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on August 29, 2018, 11:14:40 PM
Sorry for not posting lately.  Been busy enjoying retirement.  I updated EcoHell with new wheels.  I like the OEM wheels, just wished they were wider.  So I decided on Niche Vosso's.  Same styling as OEM, but better, IMO.  Specs are 20x10.5, offset of 40.  Tires are Hankook's 295/45/20s.  I will let the pictures do the talking... 

(https://i.imgur.com/PUb4mzo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3CjI20j.jpg)

The difference between OEM (right) and Niche (left)..

(https://i.imgur.com/L6YiOiM.jpg)

The install pics:

(https://i.imgur.com/T0GcEB3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Lljawm5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZamzriJ.jpg)

The stance of the rear is sick..I will take more pictures tomorrow. 

Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: 802SHO on August 30, 2018, 04:52:22 AM
Looks a hella better 😁
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: 4sfed on August 30, 2018, 07:58:42 AM
Congrats!

...so how did the dyno runs turn out!
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on September 27, 2018, 11:37:32 PM
Sorry I have not been around.  Yes I do have additional information to post, such as the dyno numbers and additional mods.  However, I need questions answered and I do not see this question asked when searching for it. 

As i have the LMS Stage 2 Performance Package, giving (LMS' numbers of) 80whp and 100+wtq.  Does this change the towing capacity at all.  I have an opportunity to purchase a twin axle (w/brakes) car trailer to tow my Porsche around.  The trailer weighs approximately 2300 pounds and my Porsche weighs 3500 pounds.  With the tune, is this safe?
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: SHOdded on September 28, 2018, 08:26:01 AM
No way you can tow that much with the X, and definitely not with a SHO.  An F150 is a different story altogether.  An X is limited to 5K pounds, IIRC.  The tune can be adjusted to accommodate, just tell LME to give you a tow tune.  But the tow amount is just too much.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: ZSHO on September 28, 2018, 11:09:04 AM
X2- I would NOT tow anything even close to the numbers you mentioned with the exception of mother in laws. Lol.  Z 
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on November 04, 2018, 01:52:25 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on September 28, 2018, 08:26:01 AM
No way you can tow that much with the X, and definitely not with a SHO.  An F150 is a different story altogether.  An X is limited to 5K pounds, IIRC.  The tune can be adjusted to accommodate, just tell LME to give you a tow tune.  But the tow amount is just too much.

LME provided 4 tunes with my purchase, and a tow tune was one of them.  Thanks for answering my question.  I will look for another alternative for towing my Porsche...
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: SHOdded on November 04, 2018, 01:55:24 AM
:thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on January 10, 2019, 11:19:32 AM
After reading about the upcoming ST version, I am very interested in it...sooo, I will be either selling EcoHell or trading her in.. I need to see it in person first...because the front end of the non ST version, to me, is hideous..  I really hate that Ford softened the look. 

Check out this photo comparing the generations from the front end and the 2020 version looks even wider, which I am quite sure it is simply the front fascia changes...but it has a Subaru-ish look.

(https://i.imgur.com/eVuTi0i.jpg) 

The current generation definitely has the tougher look.


thoughts??
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: SHOdded on January 10, 2019, 06:36:37 PM
Yeah, I do not like the upcoming Explorer front end OR the infotainment system, lookswise.  When they redid the Edge for 2019, they softened the frontend there as well.  UGH.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: MeanKS on January 11, 2019, 02:44:44 AM
Quote from: EcoHell on January 10, 2019, 11:19:32 AM
After reading about the upcoming ST version, I am very interested in it...sooo, I will be either selling EcoHell or trading her in.. I need to see it in person first...because the front end of the non ST version, to me, is hideous..  I really hate that Ford softened the look. 

Check out this photo comparing the generations from the front end and the 2020 version looks even wider, which I am quite sure it is simply the front fascia changes...but it has a Subaru-ish look.

(https://i.imgur.com/eVuTi0i.jpg) 

The current generation definitely has the tougher look.


thoughts??
agree that the current gen looks brawnier.

so after all the mods how did your Explorer ride and handle.

my next vehicle will probably be a 2018 Platinum or Sport Explorer.

maybe a 2020 if Ford ends up offering some kind of Off-road exterior package with increased ground clearance, larger wheels (staggered would be sick) and enhanced body cladding.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: Livernois Motorsports on January 11, 2019, 09:51:57 AM
Quote from: EcoHell on July 29, 2018, 01:40:08 AM
I just want to give LMS a shout-out for their products and their customer service. I wasn't expecting the process for their tune(s), but I get it. Their customer service has been what I expected.. true professionals.
We highly appreciate the kind words, we always strive to be the best of the best when it comes to customer service and we are happy to hear you are ecstatic about your interactions with us! We look forward to helping you with whatever needs you may have with the vehicle in the future and as always if you have any questions feel free to shoot us a pm on this board or just give us a call and any and all of us will be glad to help you out!
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on January 11, 2019, 09:41:07 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on January 11, 2019, 09:51:57 AM
Quote from: EcoHell on July 29, 2018, 01:40:08 AM
I just want to give LMS a shout-out for their products and their customer service. I wasn't expecting the process for their tune(s), but I get it. Their customer service has been what I expected.. true professionals.
We highly appreciate the kind words, we always strive to be the best of the best when it comes to customer service and we are happy to hear you are ecstatic about your interactions with us! We look forward to helping you with whatever needs you may have with the vehicle in the future and as always if you have any questions feel free to shoot us a pm on this board or just give us a call and any and all of us will be glad to help you out!

I still have the camber bolts I was supposed to mail back to you that came with my Level 2 Performance Package.  Between family health issues, to include where I sustained an injury, and retirement, it was both not having time and when I did have time I forgot.  Do you still remember my issue?  I am not sure how many more packages were sold after my issue, but I just want to ensure we are on the same page so you and future customers do not have to go what could become a frustrating time.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on January 11, 2019, 09:53:07 PM
Quote from: MeanKS on January 11, 2019, 02:44:44 AM

agree that the current gen looks brawnier.  so after all the mods how did your Explorer ride and handle.

my next vehicle will probably be a 2018 Platinum or Sport Explorer.  maybe a 2020 if Ford ends up offering some kind of Off-road exterior package with increased ground clearance, larger wheels (staggered would be sick) and enhanced body cladding.

I love the mods..  I have been embarrassing Hemi's, Camaros and even Mustangs from stoplights.  Keep in mind, I also have the Pedal Commander as well, which helps brings the power from the LMS Package quicker to the wheels.  I drove to Florida and back and it was an awesome drive. Using the Adaptive Cruise Control with the Lane Assist was so comforting that I was not feeling the usual "drag ass" time after the 17 hour drive.  One thing that sucked was the MPG, which I averaged 18.4.  Keep in mind I was cruising at 85 mph.  Not sure if the Pedal Commander (PC) ECO feature would have helped.  But more on the PC below:

I had a slight vibration coming from the pax front wheel while turning left under acceleration. Given my modifications, I did not want to put her back to stock to bring her back to the dealership. Keep in mind I just flipped 10k. So I am thinking it cannot be anything major.. The OEM axle is $168.xx. So I was thinking it had to be the axle. After removing the axle, there was no wear or tear inside or outside of the original axle..so it did not look like it was the axle that was causing the vibration. Soooo, for those of you thinking of installing the Pedal Commander or another product like it..be warned.. apparently it activates the ABS system causing a vibration when making a left turn. It is not a major vibration, but I could feel it in my seat and right leg. Two techs couldn't feel what I was talking about, but one tech did..it is that light of a vibration. So I have a brand new OEM pax axle installed and a 10k axle for a spare. We found this out during the test drive after the install of the new axle.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: SHOdded on January 12, 2019, 03:20:17 AM
Check pass wheel balance, and pass wheel bearing as possibilities for the vibration.  Also that the pass strut mount is secure.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on January 12, 2019, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 12, 2019, 03:20:17 AM
Check pass wheel balance, and pass wheel bearing as possibilities for the vibration.  Also that the pass strut mount is secure.

All those were checked when we were diagnosing the issue.  That is why we thought it was the axle.  I wished I would have powered off the PC before the install, but I never thought that would have caused the problem. 
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on August 07, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
Well, after my low voltage/Terrain Management System fault issue, I have yet another mod.  If you have the Terrain Management System fault issue, you may want to take a glance of my thread..  https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10964.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10964.0.html) 

For some reason, the rear pads fade quicker than the fronts..weird for a SUV, but that is Ford for you.  Sooo, I pulled the trigger and purchased the PowerStop kit for the Sport.  Just got her back from the shop.  Bedded them in and no squealing..so all is good.

(https://i.imgur.com/eD9kSiz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WdiE1ur.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hXfy6z8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MwxMmaU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NtJ4lNp.jpg)

I will provide updates accordingly..  anyone else have any issues with these brakes??
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: Macgyver on August 07, 2021, 07:25:53 PM
Oh nice.

Some get lucky using the Interceptor Pads. They are heavy duty compared to what comes stock.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on August 07, 2021, 09:36:44 PM
I know the Interceptor brake pads are better than stock, but they still provide a fair amount of brake dust.  My office's fleet were washed (at least) once a week to clean them up.  Same for all of the different police vehicles we had..

I have always used ceramic pads to eliminate most of the dust, but it still exists, just depends on your budget and how much you want to clean..LOL.

Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on August 19, 2021, 08:34:43 PM
Well, I pulled the trigger and purchased and had installed a Singer High Output Alternator to handle all of my electronic needs in EcoHell.  Anyone else install a High Output alternator in their Sport? 

(https://i.imgur.com/WV56bmJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TcdmkPI.jpg)

You get both pulleys and a keychain to boot...HA!
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on October 21, 2021, 03:08:06 AM
Posted this on other forums and wanted to share it here as well...

Anyone notice anything different about EcoHell in this photo?


(https://i.imgur.com/N2PUpIx.jpg)






Ok.. what about these photos:


(https://i.imgur.com/eossCQ0.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/GURvlk2.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/wKb1rqY.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/Jd6MNC8.jpg)


Working on a YouTube video showing the steps, and yes, there are other videos but those videos are showing the stock front clip where you cut it as opposed to purchasing the law enforcement front clips version.

I also am working on a video showing how to take apart the center dash where I installed the 4DTech Motion Unlock module, so I can use the key board while driving..
Title: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: xartic1 on October 27, 2021, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: EcoHell on October 21, 2021, 03:08:06 AM
Posted this on other forums and wanted to share it here as well...

Anyone notice anything different about EcoHell in this photo?


(https://i.imgur.com/N2PUpIx.jpg)






Ok.. what about these photos:


(https://i.imgur.com/eossCQ0.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/GURvlk2.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/wKb1rqY.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/Jd6MNC8.jpg)


Working on a YouTube video showing the steps, and yes, there are other videos but those videos are showing the stock front clip where you cut it as opposed to purchasing the law enforcement front clips version.

I also am working on a video showing how to take apart the center dash where I installed the 4DTech Motion Unlock module, so I can use the key board while driving..
What stripping did you use to cover everything up? This looks nice!
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on October 28, 2021, 02:25:46 AM
Quote from: xartic1 on October 27, 2021, 09:14:39 AMWhat stripping did you use to cover everything up? This looks nice!

Thanks for your interest and question.  The molding I used is:

(https://i.imgur.com/OgvRkiL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bHhgKGv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tHUUYjk.jpg)

The main reason was the placement of the 3M tap on the underside.  There are some molding that use two separate taping that is very thin and would not cover the bolt holes.  I did not want to take the chance of any leaks, as it would come inside the vehicle and ruin the headliner.  My experience is that the 3M tape used in Dawn's molding is spot on for my concern.  Take note.. this is a very heavy molding product, so take your time placing it on about a foot at a time. 

I will go over everything in my video coming shortly in YouTube and will post the link here.
Title: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: xartic1 on October 28, 2021, 09:03:40 AM
Quote from: EcoHell on October 28, 2021, 02:25:46 AM
Quote from: xartic1 on October 27, 2021, 09:14:39 AMWhat stripping did you use to cover everything up? This looks nice!

Thanks for your interest and question.  The molding I used is:

(https://i.imgur.com/OgvRkiL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bHhgKGv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tHUUYjk.jpg)

The main reason was the placement of the 3M tap on the underside.  There are some molding that use two separate taping that is very thin and would not cover the bolt holes.  I did not want to take the chance of any leaks, as it would come inside the vehicle and ruin the headliner.  My experience is that the 3M tape used in Dawn's molding is spot on for my concern.  Take note.. this is a very heavy molding product, so take your time placing it on about a foot at a time. 

I will go over everything in my video coming shortly in YouTube and will post the link here.
Did you put bolts or anything back into the roof?

I wonder if a low profile socket head cap screw with a gasket backed washer would fit under that and it would prevent any water from entering inside.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on October 29, 2021, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: xartic1 on October 28, 2021, 09:03:40 AMDid you put bolts or anything back into the roof?

I wonder if a low profile socket head cap screw with a gasket backed washer would fit under that and it would prevent any water from entering inside.

You reuse the same bolts if you go my route for the front OEM Interceptor trim pieces.  For the other holes you use the Set Screws.  You can see from even using the Set Screws there will be some slight bumps.  Those are not from the Set Screws, but from the actual bolt areas within the channel of the roof.  That is why I stress to use adhesive and flatten it out as much as possible.  As long as the molding doesn't bulge higher than the actual roof channel, and it does not allow water under the molding you are sound.  Using other types of bolts may cause a higher bulge and/or may cause the 3M Tape to not make a level connection. 

Best practice is to use what works.  Keep in mind using Set Screws with adhesive sealant, PLUS having the molding with one piece of 3M tape (as opposed to two pieces of 3M Tape) you should not have any leaks to worry about. 

I completed the DIY video on YouTube.  It will be posted below this post. 
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on October 29, 2021, 11:33:05 PM
I completed the YouTube DIY video on the roof rack/rail removal project.  Click below..

https://youtu.be/mJpuzg3lxaA (https://youtu.be/mJpuzg3lxaA)
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: bpd1151 on October 30, 2021, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: EcoHell on August 19, 2021, 08:34:43 PM
Well, I pulled the trigger and purchased and had installed a Singer High Output Alternator to handle all of my electronic needs in EcoHell.  Anyone else install a High Output alternator in their Sport? 

(https://i.imgur.com/WV56bmJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TcdmkPI.jpg)

You get both pulleys and a keychain to boot...HA!
I special ordered a custom one for the next iteration of my SHO.

Waiting to get it, and other new upgrades assembled/installed.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/c541e72852ec2ed5b846e85ce80f0176.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/4a906ca2723a422c4f2319f8a756bcee.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/be71e98991662f1989d2599ec483b2a2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/5ad003ed623440abfa32bf699f61c618.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/4af7bb11f77af3779a2de794ddbb8ab0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/f65c51f079953c40c69739e080a15319.jpg)

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Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on November 03, 2021, 07:04:55 AM
Quote from: bpd1151 on October 30, 2021, 07:29:20 PM
I special ordered a custom one for the next iteration of my SHO.

Waiting to get it, and other new upgrades assembled/installed.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/c541e72852ec2ed5b846e85ce80f0176.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/4a906ca2723a422c4f2319f8a756bcee.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/be71e98991662f1989d2599ec483b2a2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/5ad003ed623440abfa32bf699f61c618.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/4af7bb11f77af3779a2de794ddbb8ab0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211030/f65c51f079953c40c69739e080a15319.jpg)

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Isn't it a shame that these alternators cannot be seen when opening the hood?  LOL. 
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: bpd1151 on November 03, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
Right!

Well, at least some (albeit small) portions are viewable.

Its relative positioning isn't conducive to viewing all of it unfortunately. Certainly a disservice in both of our cases.

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Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on November 05, 2021, 06:34:07 AM
You know given all the BS Ecohell has given me this year, I was driving to my other residence on Long Island on 11/3/21 and out of nowhere the damn Wrench light comes back on.  Then within seconds of that, the Check Engine light comes on, and both Stability Track lights (lower right of the cluster) come on.  I immediately pull over and was able to park off the 4 lane road I was on. 

Once I pulled over, the information center on the left of the cluster begins chiming and telling me Service AdvanceTrak, Hill Start Assist Not Available, See Owner's Manual, Pre-Collision System Fault, and All Terrain Management System Fault.  I am fuming at this point. 

I contact AAA for a tow.  I tell them I am going to call Ford and see which dealer to bring my vehicle too - this is going to get good.  I contact the nearest Ford Dealership, tell them my dilemma and they tell me they cannot see my vehicle until the middle of December.  They state i should contact the Ford Dealership where I purchased EcoHell.  I then contact that dealership.  They state I cannot bring EcoHell there until November 22nd. 

So here I am in limp mode, definitely not going to drive EcoHell, as 1) I never had this many lights come on before, 2) never before seen some of the messages being displayed and 3) during all of this I was shutting the engine off, opening and closing my door, then restarting EcoHell - within seconds of her starting there is a loud clunking noise coming underneath and the lights and messages began to come on.

What does Ford do?  Sorry, your SOL, until weeks later.  Luckily, my nephew owns a performance shop and happened to call me after I got off the phone with the 2nd Ford Dealership, just to say hi.  I said your ears must be burning because I was just about to contact you.  I tell him my predicament and though he is busy, he says tow EcoHell to his shop. 

I re-contacted AAA and tell them the address of his shop.  About 40 minutes later the tow truck arrives.  I advise the driver that I don't want him driving the vehicle on the flatbed and use the winch.  Then to top all of this BS off, the driver tells me (after he loads EcoHell on the flatbed) that company policy cannot have anyone in the tow vehicle due to Covid.

(https://i.imgur.com/Qw9PFe4.jpg)

I then contact wifey who is not happy that she has to pick me up..messing up her schedule.  Tow truck leaves.  I walk across the 4 lane road to a 7-11 store and wait.  She comes, I take her back home and use her car to go to the shop.  Now at this point, I am not bitching as I am driving her 400 odometer mile, Prestige model 2021 Audi S5 Sportback..LOL.

Anyhoot, I get to the shop about 30 minutes later, and see that EcoHell is in a stall about to be lifted.  My nephew is inside reading his god knows how much Snap-On scanner tool and is a little stunned that NO power train codes are shown.  He thinks his scanner isn't working properly.  I grab my INNOVA scanner I keep in EcoHell and scan her.  I get no power train codes as well.  We both receive P0107 or P0109 (cannot remember at this moment - as scanner is in EcoHell as I type), but it is a map sensor code. 

I advise him that this all started with a voltage issue, so could we check the voltage readings for S&Gs.  He reads the battery both off and on.  On, EcoHell is reading 14.8 and 14.9 and never going any lower, so I am not losing any voltage. 

He then goes onto his computer and starts reading a TSB to me..

"Some 2018-2019 Explorer/Flex/Taurus/MKT vehicles equipped with a 3.5L EcoBoost engine may exhibit an illuminated malfunction indicator lamp (MIL), powertrain malfunction (wrench) lamp, Service AdvanceTrac message, Hill Start Assist Not Available message, and/or lack of power with diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0107, P0108 and/or P0109 present. This may be due to a faulty manifold absolute pressure and temperature (MAPT) sensor. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to diagnose and replace the MAPT sensor."

This is Ford TSB #TSB 19-2183.

Bottomline, I have him order a new 3 bar MAP sensor.  The next morning he receives it, installs it and wouldn't you know it, if fixed the damn problem.

Now imagine if I did not have a nephew owning his own performance shop.  I am curious, besides the waiting period to get EcoHell into the service department at Ford, what Ford would have done...  thoughts?

BTW, I drove EcoHell yesterday about a 100 miles and she drives like nothing ever happened.  She has 47,xxx miles on her, mostly highway miles.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: TopherSho on November 05, 2021, 06:04:15 PM
... MAP sensor ... was the map sensor ELECTRICLY bad and grounding out?  WTf ... there has to be more than ''opps bad map''
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: Macgyver on November 05, 2021, 09:24:06 PM
I doubt most Ford techs would have found that TSB and done their due diligence with just an hour of Labor.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on November 06, 2021, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on November 05, 2021, 06:04:15 PM
... MAP sensor ... was the map sensor ELECTRICLY bad and grounding out?  WTf ... there has to be more than ''opps bad map''

You can say WTF and has to be more to it, but if there is a TSB describing what exactly occurred on EcoHell, this has to be happening with others.  I never go online reading TSBs on my vehicles, but will definitely look for them when something goes wrong on my vehicles from this point forward. 

There is a little more to my story, but again to have a TSB on this very issue, I cannot say that "the little more to my story" was the real reason/cause.  It may have pushed my vehicle to have this happen quicker given the age and miles on EcoHell, when others have been going through this issue.. again to have an actual TSB on it...things that make you go hmmmm.. 

So my 'little more to the story" is this.. at 700 miles I began modding EcoHell and purchased the Power Stage 2+ Package (no longer being offered) from LMS.  This included the tune, go fast part and changing the 2 bar MAP sensor with their 3 bar MAP sensor. 

For some reason after the install of their package, I had to return to Ford (I cannot remember why), but it never happened.  We believe one of the mechanics may have swapped the 3 bar MAP sensor back to the 2 bar MAP sensor in preparation to bring her back to stock.  We say this because the part numbers on the other 2 bar MAP Sensor is the same on the one that was supposed to be a 3 bar MAP sensor. 

Being I do not beat on EcoHell, the 2 bar MAP sensor was ok...that is ok until this year.  So with the voltage issue causing my headache in Florida with the "wrench" light could have been co-contributed with this sensor, as well as the PC playing havoc. 

Look at it this way...better to have a $85 sensor than the transmission or a module going bad. 
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on November 06, 2021, 12:21:28 AM
Quote from: Macgyver on November 05, 2021, 09:24:06 PM
I doubt most Ford techs would have found that TSB and done their due diligence with just an hour of Labor.

I unfortunately agree with you..  I could see, "yeah, your transmission is bad and your modules are bad..blah blah blah.."

I know I get long winded in my write ups, but I would rather others know about something that could happen to your Explorer and have somewhat of a idea of what it could be.. 
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: ridered74 on November 06, 2021, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: EcoHell on November 06, 2021, 12:21:28 AM
Quote from: Macgyver on November 05, 2021, 09:24:06 PM
I doubt most Ford techs would have found that TSB and done their due diligence with just an hour of Labor.

I unfortunately agree with you..  I could see, "yeah, your transmission is bad and your modules are bad..blah blah blah.."

I know I get long winded in my write ups, but I would rather others know about something that could happen to your Explorer and have somewhat of a idea of what it could be..


If you had the wrong map sensor it wouldn't even idle correctly, as soon as you start it with wrong map sensor you will know it. It probably just went bad, there were quite a few failures even with the aftermarket ones a year or two ago. Glad you got it fixed cheaply tho, that's the most important part!
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: TopherSho on November 07, 2021, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from: EcoHell on November 06, 2021, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on November 05, 2021, 06:04:15 PM
... MAP sensor ... was the map sensor ELECTRICLY bad and grounding out?  WTf ... there has to be more than ''opps bad map''

You can say WTF and has to be more to it, but if there is a TSB describing what exactly occurred on EcoHell, this has to be happening with others.  I never go online reading TSBs on my vehicles, but will definitely look for them when something goes wrong on my vehicles from this point forward. 

There is a little more to my story, but again to have a TSB on this very issue, I cannot say that "the little more to my story" was the real reason/cause.  It may have pushed my vehicle to have this happen quicker given the age and miles on EcoHell, when others have been going through this issue.. again to have an actual TSB on it...things that make you go hmmmm.. 

So my 'little more to the story" is this.. at 700 miles I began modding EcoHell and purchased the Power Stage 2+ Package (no longer being offered) from LMS.  This included the tune, go fast part and changing the 2 bar MAP sensor with their 3 bar MAP sensor. 

For some reason after the install of their package, I had to return to Ford (I cannot remember why), but it never happened.  We believe one of the mechanics may have swapped the 3 bar MAP sensor back to the 2 bar MAP sensor in preparation to bring her back to stock.  We say this because the part numbers on the other 2 bar MAP Sensor is the same on the one that was supposed to be a 3 bar MAP sensor. 

Being I do not beat on EcoHell, the 2 bar MAP sensor was ok...that is ok until this year.  So with the voltage issue causing my headache in Florida with the "wrench" light could have been co-contributed with this sensor, as well as the PC playing havoc. 

Look at it this way...better to have a $85 sensor than the transmission or a module going bad.

Plot thickens.  You can convert a 2 bar into a 2.5 bar.  Hence the map serial would be the same.  If you replace a ''3bar'' sensor on a  tune ''expecting'' 2.5-bar range or 3-bar range voltages to a 2bar it wont even idle correctly.  and will throw a wrench when you rev it above 2000 rpm..  so i do not think the ford tech replaced it.  it would have thrown codes instantly on the next startup if the tune was looking for a 3-ba5 or 2.5-bar.

In the VERY EARLY days of tuning SHO's modded sensors were fairly common to get from UNLEASHED and LMS.  It should be super mega uncommon to get one now.  I could not find it but there is a topic on it here on the forum .. it dealt with pre-install inspection and the user saw the sensor sent to him by Torrie has the same serial as a 2-bar..
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on November 08, 2021, 12:11:38 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on November 07, 2021, 02:41:44 PMPlot thickens.  You can convert a 2 bar into a 2.5 bar.  Hence the map serial would be the same.  If you replace a ''3bar'' sensor on a  tune ''expecting'' 2.5-bar range or 3-bar range voltages to a 2bar it wont even idle correctly.  and will throw a wrench when you rev it above 2000 rpm..  so i do not think the ford tech replaced it.  it would have thrown codes instantly on the next startup if the tune was looking for a 3-ba5 or 2.5-bar.

In the VERY EARLY days of tuning SHO's modded sensors were fairly common to get from UNLEASHED and LMS.  It should be super mega uncommon to get one now.  I could not find it but there is a topic on it here on the forum .. it dealt with pre-install inspection and the user saw the sensor sent to him by Torrie has the same serial as a 2-bar..

I know of a post similar or the same one you mention regarding the part numbers being the same.. I was confused reading that post.  Curious... so even from a start up, idle being idle regardless of tune, From what I understand about MAP sensors, the 2 bar MAP sensor can handle up to 14.7psi, on top of the sea level pressure of 14.7psi, so totaling 29.4psi.  Not sure what my tune is pushing but without beating on it, but perhaps I was not pushing over 29psi. 

So with what you are saying, I would have received codes with a 2 bar installed as opposed to the required 3.bar with my tune.  Interesting.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on November 08, 2021, 12:15:33 AM
Quote from: ridered74 on November 06, 2021, 10:55:27 PMIf you had the wrong map sensor it wouldn't even idle correctly, as soon as you start it with wrong map sensor you will know it. It probably just went bad, there were quite a few failures even with the aftermarket ones a year or two ago. Glad you got it fixed cheaply tho, that's the most important part!

Yes, I am very happy and feel I lucked out with how expensive and time consuming this could have turned out.  I have an extra 3 bar MAP Sensor in EcoHell now.

Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: TopherSho on November 08, 2021, 12:17:21 PM
Quote from: EcoHell on November 08, 2021, 12:11:38 AM

So with what you are saying, I would have received codes with a 2 bar installed as opposed to the required 3.bar with my tune.  Interesting.

Yup ..
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on July 06, 2022, 11:27:14 PM
Posted this on other forums..so why retype the same information.. hopefully every one had a great July 4th.  Enjoy..


Ok.. it has been a while since I posted here. But more mods have been installed on EcoHell.  I had my hands full with my 9+ month old puppy (Thor), at the shop, so pictures were a little scarce..I will take more and update.  Any hoot.. enjoy..

Even Thor was impressed with the Steeda Anti-Sway bar...HA!
(https://i.imgur.com/M1RAPZz.jpg)

Installed Bilstein B6s all around..
](https://i.imgur.com/gEAx8ty.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VCOf1lK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bTLXQ5r.jpg)

Replaced the Transmission Torque Strut with Tony DiCunzolo's version...
Stock:
(https://i.imgur.com/5IBAaDT.jpg)

Tony's:
(https://i.imgur.com/TS4Np5R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XAKatzX.jpg)

Also an oil change, new plugs and the other day, I installed the sequential mirror turn signals.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: 01svtL on October 06, 2022, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: EcoHell on July 06, 2022, 11:27:14 PM
Posted this on other forums..so why retype the same information.. hopefully every one had a great July 4th.  Enjoy..


Ok.. it has been a while since I posted here. But more mods have been installed on EcoHell.  I had my hands full with my 9+ month old puppy (Thor), at the shop, so pictures were a little scarce..I will take more and update.  Any hoot.. enjoy..

Even Thor was impressed with the Steeda Anti-Sway bar...HA!
(https://i.imgur.com/M1RAPZz.jpg)

Installed Bilstein B6s all around..
](https://i.imgur.com/gEAx8ty.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VCOf1lK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bTLXQ5r.jpg)

Replaced the Transmission Torque Strut with Tony DiCunzolo's version...
Stock:
(https://i.imgur.com/5IBAaDT.jpg)

Tony's:
(https://i.imgur.com/TS4Np5R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XAKatzX.jpg)

Also an oil change, new plugs and the other day, I installed the sequential mirror turn signals.

How are you liking the ride with the new shocks struts and the H&Rs?  Any noticeable difference before and after the new B6s?  I have a set of H&R's sitting in my garage at the moment, but I'm back and forth on having them installed or going with a set of Steeda's instead, since they apparently don't require the camber bolts or anything else.
Title: Re: New Member - Say Hello to EcoHell
Post by: EcoHell on October 18, 2022, 01:23:44 AM
Quote from: 01svtL on October 06, 2022, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: EcoHell on July 06, 2022, 11:27:14 PM
Posted this on other forums..so why retype the same information.. hopefully every one had a great July 4th.  Enjoy..


Ok.. it has been a while since I posted here. But more mods have been installed on EcoHell.  I had my hands full with my 9+ month old puppy (Thor), at the shop, so pictures were a little scarce..I will take more and update.  Any hoot.. enjoy..

Even Thor was impressed with the Steeda Anti-Sway bar...HA!
(https://i.imgur.com/M1RAPZz.jpg)

Installed Bilstein B6s all around..
](https://i.imgur.com/gEAx8ty.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VCOf1lK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bTLXQ5r.jpg)

Replaced the Transmission Torque Strut with Tony DiCunzolo's version...
Stock:
(https://i.imgur.com/5IBAaDT.jpg)

Tony's:
(https://i.imgur.com/TS4Np5R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XAKatzX.jpg)

Also an oil change, new plugs and the other day, I installed the sequential mirror turn signals.

How are you liking the ride with the new shocks struts and the H&Rs?  Any noticeable difference before and after the new B6s?  I have a set of H&R's sitting in my garage at the moment, but I'm back and forth on having them installed or going with a set of Steeda's instead, since they apparently don't require the camber bolts or anything else.


Sorry for the late response.. I am still in Florida...survived Hurricane Ian with minor house damage.  Have not been doing much driving, but driving from NY to FL I loved the new responsive drive.  I am happy that I did the modifications.. it is night and day with the difference, also with the Torque Transmission Strut install as well.
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