Anyone have the part numbers for the 10-12 and 13+ PP SHO front and rear rotors? Ive seen the 13+ non-PP SHO have the same part number on the rears as the 10-12's though I know the front rotors are larger in diameter and are different. From what I've been reading on the forums, I should be able to upgrade to the slightly larger in diameter 10-12 PP rotors on my non-PP MKS though anyone have any info on trying to swap the 13+ PP front rotors on a 10-12 non-PP?
Im basically looking to upgrade my rotors with the factory PP all around and using EBC or another quality pad as a moderate brake upgrade, just looking for a little more bite.
Master Cylinder is different on 13+ as well , possibly other parts associated with it as well ; I think .....
I would like to see your source of your information, I personally can not see how this would be possible. There is the rotor dimensions post around here.
Yea I discovered that the master cylinder/brake booster are different to help with the redesign of a slightly larger bore of the master cylinder. Reason people notice a difference in braking of the '13+ is because their brakes are in-fact working harder, your'e actually pushing harder on the pedal also.
Back on topic though, that's the only reason I am interested in just upgrading to the slightly larger diameter rotor as I have no plans on tracking the car though would like more stopping power as my go power rises ;D
Quote from: crash712us on February 01, 2014, 03:06:45 PM
I would like to see your source of your information, I personally can not see how this would be possible. There is the rotor dimensions post around here.
Someone in the thread below with a MKS had installed the Power Stop brake kit, same kit that people have put on their PP SHO. Though instead of going with the Power Stop brake kit I'd rather opt for solid OEM PP rotors with a better pad. Also linked some info on the changes of the brakes below.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=362.msg23168#msg23168 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=362.msg23168#msg23168)
Okay 1st 2013+ brakes are not compatible with earlier models. As for 2010-2012 PP cars or non-PP cars only difference is brake pad compound. Everything else is the same.
Quote from: crash712us on February 01, 2014, 03:28:41 PM
Okay 1st 2013+ brakes are not compatible with earlier models. As for 2010-2012 PP cars or non-PP cars only difference is brake pad compound. Everything else is the same.
What if you did calipers/hat/rotors on the front and left the stock mc/booster? would the brake components bolt up to the front of the vehicle?
If you swap to aftermarket rotors and more importantly pads it will make a HUGE difference to y our brake feel. My Flex went from scary to great. TCE brakes would be even better but of course cots quite a bit more.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
If you swap to aftermarket rotors and more importantly pads it will make a HUGE difference to y our brake feel. My Flex went from scary to great. TCE brakes would be even better but of course cots quite a bit more.
I'm not currently having any braking issues. Replaced the pads/rotors around 50k with EBC slotted rotors and green pads. They warped almost immediatley. Bought new stock rotors from Ford and Powerstop pads and have been fine since. Currently 73K miles. I'm looking for bigger, IE 2013 PP rotors/pads. The TCE is nice, but expensive and requires a spacer to use factory wheels. I've used a spacer once on wheels. I had a 88 LX 5.0 that back in 94 I put real 93 cobra wheels. After about 1000 miles I noticed a bad vibration on the interstate. The lugs had loosened. I will never use spacers again.
So has anyone upgraded their 2010-2012 to the 2013 PP front brakes? Through SVTP I can get Ford parts at cost +0%, or the Ford dealership across from my work will do the same. I just need to know if the rotors/calipers/pads will be a direct swap.
I've never found Ford rotors to be great, I know that several aftermarket companies (I believe EBC) make solid rotors that would compliment their pads. I know when I replace mine I will be getting EBC rotors and pads.
The rotors , pad and calipers would be a direct swap " IF " The knuckle assy on the front is the same part number , that I am unsure of. I say this because the front Wilwood kit that Todd at TCE sells for the SHO fits all SHO models 2010 +
The ears on the knuckle/hub assy are spaced the same for the calipers , just not sure of the back spacing of the rotor to hub .
The real question Is .... WHY would anyone put that kind of money into OEM parts because by the time you add up those OEM prices I'd bet you'll be damn close to a TCE/Wilwood kit price .
Most people end up with spacer problems because they buy cheap one's that are not hubcentric...
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/flex-/-sho/kits-23/ (http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/flex-/-sho/kits-23/)
Quote from: black99lightning on March 02, 2014, 08:26:09 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
If you swap to aftermarket rotors and more importantly pads it will make a HUGE difference to y our brake feel. My Flex went from scary to great. TCE brakes would be even better but of course cots quite a bit more.
I'm not currently having any braking issues. Replaced the pads/rotors around 50k with EBC slotted rotors and green pads. They warped almost immediatley. Bought new stock rotors from Ford and Powerstop pads and have been fine since. Currently 73K miles. I'm looking for bigger, IE 2013 PP rotors/pads. The TCE is nice, but expensive and requires a spacer to use factory wheels. I've used a spacer once on wheels. I had a 88 LX 5.0 that back in 94 I put real 93 cobra wheels. After about 1000 miles I noticed a bad vibration on the interstate. The lugs had loosened. I will never use spacers again.
So has anyone upgraded their 2010-2012 to the 2013 PP front brakes? Through SVTP I can get Ford parts at cost +0%, or the Ford dealership across from my work will do the same. I just need to know if the rotors/calipers/pads will be a direct swap.
From what I know they will not fit. I personally have EBC pads and rotors and I know several other that do as well, that have no problems with. Did you follow there pad bedding procedure? And did you upgrade all wheels or just fronts?
It would nice if they where direct fit, and would cost far less this the wilwoods. But accord to Todd at TCE the 2013+ brakes don't really offer any better braking then the earlier cars. Its the larger master cylinder that makes them feel different.
The 2013 60-0 is 106ft.
Performance wise that puts it in some very serious company.
Beware of expensive upgraded braking systems and the law of diminishing returns.
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/brake-faq-mythbusting-why-you-may-not-want-big-brake-upgrade/ (http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/brake-faq-mythbusting-why-you-may-not-want-big-brake-upgrade/)
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 02, 2014, 10:21:39 PM
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/brake-faq-mythbusting-why-you-may-not-want-big-brake-upgrade/ (http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/brake-faq-mythbusting-why-you-may-not-want-big-brake-upgrade/)
Good read! Thank You.
A useful change is when swept area is available to increase. Most times though, brake bias isn't taken into consideration, which CAN be unfavorably affected if the kit size/braking force is radically different from OEM.
Would going with an aftermarket OEM solid-type rotor and upgrading the pads to EBC be a good way to get a small bump in braking power? I plan on using Raybestos 680758 Disc Brake Rotor Advanced Technology (pics below) for the rust-proof coating and would be in the market for a good pad to mate them with.
Was going to go with PowerStop as they are the same price, though I've recently heard issues with them.
(http://www.rockauto.com/getimage/getimage.php?imagekey=2745576&imageurl=http%3A//www.rockauto.com/info/Raybestos/680758-4.jpg)
Quote from: crash712us on March 02, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
Quote from: black99lightning on March 02, 2014, 08:26:09 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 02, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
If you swap to aftermarket rotors and more importantly pads it will make a HUGE difference to y our brake feel. My Flex went from scary to great. TCE brakes would be even better but of course cots quite a bit more.
I'm not currently having any braking issues. Replaced the pads/rotors around 50k with EBC slotted rotors and green pads. They warped almost immediatley. Bought new stock rotors from Ford and Powerstop pads and have been fine since. Currently 73K miles. I'm looking for bigger, IE 2013 PP rotors/pads. The TCE is nice, but expensive and requires a spacer to use factory wheels. I've used a spacer once on wheels. I had a 88 LX 5.0 that back in 94 I put real 93 cobra wheels. After about 1000 miles I noticed a bad vibration on the interstate. The lugs had loosened. I will never use spacers again.
So has anyone upgraded their 2010-2012 to the 2013 PP front brakes? Through SVTP I can get Ford parts at cost +0%, or the Ford dealership across from my work will do the same. I just need to know if the rotors/calipers/pads will be a direct swap.
From what I know they will not fit. I personally have EBC pads and rotors and I know several other that do as well, that have no problems with. Did you follow there pad bedding procedure? And did you upgrade all wheels or just fronts?
It would nice if they where direct fit, and would cost far less this the wilwoods. But accord to Todd at TCE the 2013+ brakes don't really offer any better braking then the earlier cars. Its the larger master cylinder that makes them feel different.
No I only did the fronts. I broke them in like every other brake I've used including the new factory rotors. Literally warped as soon as I drove off with them. I noted the EBC pads didn't have placement for the factory springs. I got autoanything to send me pads to replace the EBC's. The rotors are in a storage unit. $350 worth of junk. Maybe the rotors were already warped sitting on their shelf? Hindsight, how would the EBC rotor outperform the factory rotor if they are the same size? It probably won't and cost 3X's more. If I could enlarge the rotors that would make more stopping power.
Quote from: SHOdded on March 03, 2014, 02:36:21 AM
A useful change is when swept area is available to increase. Most times though, brake bias isn't taken into consideration, which CAN be unfavorably affected if the kit size/braking force is radically different from OEM.
so what difference would the tce big brake kit make on the factory 2010-12 booster/master cylinder. Those are even larger than the 2013pp brakes.
EBC does advise against running different composite pads front and rear.
However since your say the warp from the get go, I would say your hubs were not cleaned when you installed them there for cause run out of the rotors. What makes EBC rotor better is better material the iron has been stressed relieved and there more stable and less prone to warpage. You may want to take your rotors to have the checked for runout.
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