I don't know where to start but it was a pleasure meeting up with Manu (SHOdded) once again and awesome to have enthusiasts like him representing the ecoboost platform/community. :)
I guess with the final Track days looming while trying to get the
Redhead prepared by having the the PTU Fluid flushed-Spark plugs and brand new 02 sensors installed as many of you are aware of...
.
I was unfortunately frustrated and only was able get TWO runs in while noticing on my 2nd run that there was much wheel hop upon launching and something must be a miss while suggesting its the PTU which the Ford dealer recently screwed up AFAIK!
FWIW I do have a PB of
1.752 60' time prior to having the PTU Flush performed and just lost for words @ the moment as my Quest for the elusive 11's has come to a screeching Halt for the time being! :(
Time slip below with a Trap Speed of almost 116 mph and was able to gain a kill @ least against a new 5.0 Stang once again. Z
(http://i63.tinypic.com/6t1e6q.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2qb9o29.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1rrnmBnh.jpg?1)
It was a better outing than last time in that there were less sonic booms and we could actually converse LOL. Also saw a few VERY fast cars run the strip, but unfortunately the times were blacked out. One Fox body must have been deep into the 8's maybe even in the 7's. A couple of trucks rolling some coal LOL.
Getting back to the SHO. The first time around was an exercise in patience. Z was in line for over an hour before finally getting a chance to let Red run free. I dont think he was able to avoid the waterbox on that one ... But no issues perceived otherwise, just an abundance of caution.
The second time around though, neither he nor I heard the tires chirp like they should on a good launch. The crazy wheel hop tho ... If it wasn't one thing it was another.
You could see though Red has it in her to easily break into the 11's as outfitted. Cryin shame it did not happen today, but doesn't change the fact this is one potent missile!
Well Z you measure the size of your accomplishment by the obstacles you have to overcome to reach your goals. The positive is you laid down some serious mph. There is definetly a very low 12 high 11 in that mph. That's really stinks about the ptu I hope all turns out well.
Quote from: ZSHO on November 17, 2018, 06:04:01 PM
I don't know where to start but it was a pleasure meeting up with Manu (SHOdded) once again and awesome to have enthusiasts like him representing the ecoboost platform/community. :)
I guess with the final Track days looming while trying to get the Redhead prepared by having the the PTU Fluid flushed-Spark plugs and brand new 02 sensors installed as many of you are aware of...
.
I was unfortunately frustrated and only was able get TWO runs in while noticing on my 2nd run that there was much wheel hop upon launching and something must be a miss while suggesting its the PTU which the Ford dealer recently screwed up AFAIK!
FWIW I do have a PB of 1.752 60' time prior to having the PTU Flush performed and just lost for words @ the moment as my Quest for the elusive 11's has come to a screeching Halt for the time being! :(
Time slip below with a Trap Speed of almost 116 mph and was able to gain a kill @ least against a new 5.0 Stang once again. Z
(http://i63.tinypic.com/6t1e6q.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2qb9o29.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ItfDUYxh.jpg?1)
Your trap speed says it all. It's proof you're pushing some serious power and proves you are capable of a breaking the 11 barrier. Something about that 60ft was clearly off. It's a shame you were only able to get two runs in! Some of my PB were had by second to last run out of 5 or 6 runs.
I agree the PTU issue could be the culprit. Its the first thing that comes to mind. I wasn't there but if you went through the water box as well...certainly doesn't help and it sounded like that was unavoidable.
Spark plugs and O2 sensors...no way.
Track prep perhaps? I think when track prep is off even a little it really affects our street tires. Something that even the really fast cars with drags and slicks don't get affected by much. When I ran my best time and 60ft i was literally the first one down the track in the right lane for the start of the day. Track prep was perfect for my tires.
I'm glad you were able to still leave on a positive, meeting with with Shodded...its a lot of fun to meet up with another member and friend. When it works out to meet up with Tim (ShoNoff) it's always more fun.
That MPH can be an 11 all day long. I mean you have half a second to gain in the 60 foot once you figure out what's up with it!
Also usually whatever you gain in the 60 foot clock you can almost double out the back door. Meaning you gain a tenth in 60 it's almost good for 2 tenths in the quarter. So with a mid 1.7 60 foot you are knocking on 11.8-11.9. Also I saw you said you had to go through water box. Is it possible the tires got wet and spun? That could be the reason for no squeal leaving the line.
802Sho is right it's always more fun to meet up with members. It makes the day much ore enjoyable when there is a couple of you getting after it.
I have owned Red since 2 miles on the OD but saw something was wrong and didn't want to add insult to injury since I'm out of ESP warranty and hopefully will able to troubleshoot this underlying issue once and for all..
I think on my first run I managed to hit the water box with the driver's side front tire IIRC due to a burnout from the guy in front. ..
I also noticed that the Advance track feature did not come on after excess of 100 mph of Dunno!
Thanks again for the kind words Fellas. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on November 18, 2018, 12:00:13 PM
I was trying to give her hell but didn't want to add insult to injury since I'm out of warranty and hopefully able to troubleshoot this issue!
I think the driver's side tire went through the water box IIRC due to a burnout from the guy in front.
Thanks again Fellas. Z
Z I can tell you this. I once got my right side tires in the water. When I left I thought I broke everything in the drivetrain. The right front spun so hard I felt like no other tires were driving the vehicle.
I never run my car with advance trac on so I can't say if mine does or doesn't come on going down the track.
In my case there was NO Advancetrak shut down (Service soon) lit on the dash @ roughly 100 mph which has me wondering!!!
Great Discussion below. Z
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6943.msg106894.html#msg106894 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6943.msg106894.html#msg106894)
I was finally able to upload a video due to my bad back which tells me more.... I think Track Prep played a major role,factor while getting sprayed upon!!! These mustangs like to play f***** dirty! Thanks for the replies. Z
https://www.youtube.com/embed/AYVBPPGMr30
My light has never come on but I have experienced the same exact things in that thread. That's basically the bogging issue I'm having. When I launch hard it feels like he car just shuts down. I'm starting to think advancetrak hates drag racing lol
After seeing the video it's the exact problem I'm having right around the same spot. You can see the wheel hop from the camera at the 1-2 shift. Also that camera is pretty sweet what were you using?
Quote from: shoNoff on November 18, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
My light has never come on but I have experienced the same exact things in that thread. That's basically the bogging issue I'm having. When I launch hard it feels like he car just shuts down. I'm starting to think advancetrak hates drag racing lol
After seeing the video it's the exact problem I'm having right around the same spot. You can see the wheel hop from the camera at the 1-2 shift. Also that camera is pretty sweet what were you using?
I just picked it up recently and still need to calibrate it a bit.
Great basic dash cam without having to break the bank.
BTW I think it's 10% off . Z :)
https://www.amazon.com/Dashboard-Recorder-Nighthawk-Wide-Angle-Recording/dp/B076GYGVY5/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542587728&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=Roav+by+Anker%2C+DashCam+A1 (https://www.amazon.com/Dashboard-Recorder-Nighthawk-Wide-Angle-Recording/dp/B076GYGVY5/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542587728&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=Roav+by+Anker%2C+DashCam+A1)
Sound and video quality is pretty damn good for $55. I'm gonna order one up for myself. Thanks for the info.
Nice runs Z. It was defiently getting after it the on the big end. Are you full weight as well?
Quote from: sm105k on November 19, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Nice runs Z. It was defiently getting after it the on the big end. Are you full weight as well?
I guess Im your average 220 lbs Joe! Thanks bud. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on November 19, 2018, 12:40:56 PM
Quote from: sm105k on November 19, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Nice runs Z. It was defiently getting after it the on the big end. Are you full weight as well?
I guess Im your average 220 lbs Joe! Thanks bud. Z
From what it seems track prep and you possibly getting a tire or two in the water box can equate to this, definitely has the potential for 11s thats for sure!
Quote from: ZSHO on November 19, 2018, 12:40:56 PM
Quote from: sm105k on November 19, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Nice runs Z. It was defiently getting after it the on the big end. Are you full weight as well?
I guess Im your average 220 lbs Joe! Thanks bud. Z
My 13 PP at full weight (full interior ect) with a 1/4 tank and me (240 lbs) in it weighed 4560 on scale at the track. So roughly 4320 as she sat.
Quote from: sm105k on November 19, 2018, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on November 19, 2018, 12:40:56 PM
Quote from: sm105k on November 19, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
Nice runs Z. It was defiently getting after it the on the big end. Are you full weight as well?
I guess Im your average 220 lbs Joe! Thanks bud. Z
My 13 PP at full weight (full interior ect) with a 1/4 tank and me (240 lbs) in it weighed 4560 on scale at the track. So roughly 4320 as she sat.
Good info! What did you run! Yeah shedded roughly 20 lbs since being sober .Z
One of these days you will get to the track with a 100% ready to go car! Sorry to hear about the problems, but the MPH is up there!! Its a quick car for sure. Maybe next season will produce those 11 second slips!
What RPM were you launching at? Tire pressures? etc...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 19, 2018, 09:30:16 PM
What RPM were you launching at? Tire pressures? etc...
I was trying to launch @ 2220 but the brakes are on the do list! Tires set @ 27f- 29r IIRC! I never ran them prior and should of played with the tire psi! Thanks. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on November 19, 2018, 11:38:59 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 19, 2018, 09:30:16 PM
What RPM were you launching at? Tire pressures? etc...
I was trying to launch @ 2220 but the brakes are on the do list! Tires set @ 27f- 29r IIRC! I never ran them prior,but could of done things different! Yes! Z
Interesting you mentioned "trying to" launch at 2200 as I have the same issue with my brakes not holding too well at times. New Brakes on the to do list here as well.
Z, BamSHO recommended dropping the launch RPM down to 1800 last time he looked at my slips... I did and dropped my sixty foot to a 1.80...
I also aired down to 20psi up front.
Might help!
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Didnt you have the tpms or advancetrac lighting up your dash? 20 psi is getting down low lol. Maybe need to run softer sidewall rubber. Partly why the DWS seemed to have a slight advantage over the Michelin Pilot Sport at the track. Autocross would be different.
Quote from: SHOdded on November 20, 2018, 08:06:20 AM
Didnt you have the tpms or advancetrac lighting up your dash? 20 psi is getting down low lol. Maybe need to run softer sidewall rubber. Partly why the DWS seemed to have a slight advantage over the Michelin Pilot Sport at the track. Autocross would be different.
No advancetrac light, TPMs did light up after the car sat and tires cooled down.
P-Zero's are not the best... but I even aired down that far on my 2010 with BFgoodrich comp sport 2's (not the all seasons)
After going to lots of tracks at different times of year, there is no set combo... even at the same track on the same night the track may operate differently as the night get colder, track prep gets worn down and re-applied, etc..
If you are staged and they reapply the vHT right before you get to go... then hell yea crank the rpms up and let her loose lol...
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Good insight :thumb:
Quote from: ZSHO on November 19, 2018, 11:38:59 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 19, 2018, 09:30:16 PM
What RPM were you launching at? Tire pressures? etc...
I was trying to launch @ 2220 but the brakes are on the do list! Tires set @ 27f- 29r IIRC! I never ran them prior and should of played with the tire psi! Thanks. Z
I ran 12.56 @ 108.98 with a 1.77 sixty foot. I did have some boost issues. Mine has gone at fast as 112 in the quarter in way hotter weather and 3300 DA. Even though I ran a PB ET and 60 foot, the "big end" on that run felt way off. A boost reference line (in the attachments) had come off before I went to the track and I missed it. Brad saw it in the logs after I went to the track. So with the boost leak, overboosting, and the throttle closing (limiting boost) I had issues.
It is funny you bring this up about launching. While going to the track I was having severe pushing issues around 2000 rpm with the stock PP brakes. I could not get the car to hold while leaving in boost at the track. The car would 60 foot high 1.80's with 30 psi all around tire pressure. On the street, I can get the car to leave at 2400-2500 rpm at 3 to 4 psi. I actually got try to leave at 2700 rpm and 6 psi, but as soon as I let off the brake the car fell on right on its face (probably a safety thing).
I changed my pads and rotors (Powerstop slotted, vented, and drilled, ceramic pads, and brake fluid flush) and went back to the track. On the 1.77 sixty foot, tires were set at 30 psi all around, I left at 2200 rpm and 1 psi of boost. I can probably get her to hold at 2500 rpm and hopefully leave around 3 to 4 psi but I didnt wait because I was racing a GTO. I think with a low 1.70 sixty and 112 mph tap speed I see a 12.3x in the future tune only. Throw an intercooler and DP's I see a shot at 11's full weight.
There is a brake pedal override that if you hold the brake torque too long it will stop the party...remember the run away toyotas? People were too dumb to turn the key off so the mfg's places additional electronic protocols in the tunes
Quote from: AJP turbo on November 20, 2018, 10:26:44 AM
There is a brake pedal override that if you hold the brake torque too long it will stop the party...remember the run away toyotas? People were too dumb to turn the key off so the mfg's places additional electronic protocols in the tunes
I knew it was something like that Brad. I just couldn't articulate it.
I found Brake Torque (Boosting) it limited to 3 seconds which is roughly the same time from the Staging light to the Go-Green IIRC! Z
I can tell you I've made roughly 100 passes on my sho this year. The more I ran the car the more I learned it really liked lower rpm launches. I found the sweet spot for me to be around 1800-1900rpm. Any higher I wheel hop and transmission shudder my way to the 60 foot clock. Or it just falls flat on its face.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 20, 2018, 07:00:37 AM
Z, BamSHO recommended dropping the launch RPM down to 1800 last time he looked at my slips... I did and dropped my sixty foot to a 1.80...
I also aired down to 20psi up front.
Might help!
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Thats sure getting down and dirty @ 20 psi! :D I know Brian(Bamsho) likes to keep them on the low side as well! This was my first outing with the fairly new Dunlops extreme sports summer tires which stick like glue! Thanks for the input. Z
Just gotta find the right traction RPM to launch at. Really depends on what kind of prep you got going for ya. One strip I was launching at 2200 next I was launching at 2000, both with similar times produced, but fairly different 60 foots. I think it's more heavily tire dependent! Also how much timing you have on launches.
Quote from: Jordan on November 20, 2018, 06:24:21 PM
Just gotta find the right traction RPM to launch at. Really depends on what kind of prep you got going for ya. One strip I was launching at 2200 next I was launching at 2000, both with similar times produced, but fairly different 60 foots. I think it's more heavily tire dependent! Also how much timing you have on launches.
These small turbos spool up so fast it's more about the boost ramp.... Brad brings the boost hard and fast on the low end. I couldn't just drop the hammer with his tune.. I had to ease into it.
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Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 20, 2018, 06:25:58 PM
Quote from: Jordan on November 20, 2018, 06:24:21 PM
Just gotta find the right traction RPM to launch at. Really depends on what kind of prep you got going for ya. One strip I was launching at 2200 next I was launching at 2000, both with similar times produced, but fairly different 60 foots. I think it's more heavily tire dependent! Also how much timing you have on launches.
These small turbos spool up so fast it's more about the boost ramp.... Brad brings the boost hard and fast on the low end. I couldn't just drop the hammer with his tune.. I had to ease into it.
Ive tried it both ways and the majority of the time is 1800 or so. Overall my 60fts have been a little slow I think. Average is probably a 1.83. My best runs I'm usually about 1.80 and some change. Ive had 3 1.7 60fts. Best at a 1.74. Then I said screw it with the 1800 launch and went for 2000-2200 but having brake issues holding it. Car edges up sometimes and throws me off. So I dont have enough experience I feel to be convinced one way or the other or maybe even the same exact routine yields different results all the time depending on track prep, temp, DA and tire pressure. Its almost like we have to try all our tricks every single trip to the track bc each one can be effective when the last time it wasn't.
Lol! Anyway I want to elminate the tire traction issue off the list with some dedicated DR's. Can save 3 pounds or more each tire also which = faster also
I might have one more shot @ the Track very soon as long as mother nature complies! Fingers crossed! Thanks for all the replies. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on November 21, 2018, 01:59:28 PM
Based on the weather I might have one more shot @ the Track very soon as long as mother nature complies! Fingers crossed! Z
Hell yeah Man I hope that works out for you!
Quote from: ZSHO on November 21, 2018, 01:59:28 PM
I might have one more shot @ the Track very soon as long as mother nature complies! Fingers crossed! Thanks for all the replies. Z
Let'em have it buddy hopefully all works out for you.
802Sho I think a lot of our 60 foot time problems were the fact that it was 35 out the last night we ran. My old 32x16slicks would of had trouble hooking up
Quote from: shoNoff on November 21, 2018, 06:48:20 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on November 21, 2018, 01:59:28 PM
I might have one more shot @ the Track very soon as long as mother nature complies! Fingers crossed! Thanks for all the replies. Z
Let'em have it buddy hopefully all works out for you.
802Sho I think a lot of our 60 foot time problems were the fact that it was 35 out the last night we ran. My old 32x16slicks would of had trouble hooking up
I trust your experience in the matter and that was the worst day for traction by far....in my beginner experience
It looks like the track season is over based on today's weather but knowing it has the potential to break the 11's barrier is good enough even with a Trap speed of almost 116 mph!!!
I must admit it was Fun and a True pleasure to have friends and enthusiasts like Manu (SHOdded) by your side to say the least....
BTW Hats off to the crew over @ LMS & See ya in 2019! :thankyou: Z :)