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Title: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on August 03, 2013, 11:48:40 AM
Thought this might be a good topic for new owners to review:
I'm going to rank these by my opinion of best mod by power per dollar spent.
1. Tuning - you can pick up 30-70HP here pretty easily depending on what fuel is available to you and if you want to run race gas or not. Figure around $500 with tuner. The lower octane you can run the lower HP you an pick up thus the range. If you really want to maximize your power with tuning doing a dyno tuning session with your tuner will pick up another 10 to 30HP (IMHO) but will cost you a few hundred dollars more. If you're looking for ever HP safely this is the best case scenario.

2. Meth injection
- you can pick up another 30-60 HP here depending on how aggressive you want to get with timing and your tuner. Cost between $200 and $1000 depending on how fancy you want to get with controllers, extra bottles for storage etc.

3. Turbo upgrade
- If you have a tune and meth injection (my suggestion) or an aux fueling solution (discussed later) you can upgrade your turbos. Worth another 30-? ??? (most HP now is 600WHP with aux fueling)HP. Currently the upgrades upgrade either your compressor wheel and/or add an aftermarket wastegate. There is also a full turbo upgrade coming this fall or winter so no one knows the true maximum output of the turbo upgrade scenario yet and how much power the block will take. Currently $1500 to $2000 for the two stock turbo upgrades, and $2200 for a true turbo center section upgrade.

4. Downpipes
- luckily multiple companies offer these now and they're getting cheaper, between $700ish and $1000 for around 20ish HP and quicker spooling of the turbos.
5. Exhaust - $100ish (remove 3rd cat, resonator and mufflers with straight pipe) to $1000+ for full stainless catback exhausts. Another 20ish HP here.
6. Intake - jury is out on this one, we've seen these drop ET/MPH from doing intakes but hopefully we'll be coming out with a new intake tube per turbo with a cold air or sealed stock style box soon. $200ish to $700

Optionals not normally used (my crazy mad scientist mods)
Nitrous - I've personally ran a 75 shot on my Flex and picked up .6 in the 1/4 mile. You can pick up a used kit and controller on Craigslist pretty cheaply and install. For all brand new gear it can get expensive. $250 (used parts) to $$$$$ for new.

Auxiliary fuel system -
I'm the only one who's built one so far, to replicate with what I know now around $2800. Gives the ability for unlimited fuel without the HPFP sagging under load. Needed in the long term for the true turbo upgrade or if you want to run E85. This includes injectors, dual in tank fuel pumps and a modified intake manifold or intake spacer (working on this one)

E85 or E85 mix -
Upgraded in tank fuel pump setup required for this one as the stock system can't handle ANY E85 mix without running out of fuel. E85 let's you increase the timing massively and run "hotter" boost while cooling the intake track off as well. An alternative to running alky/water injection but a true fuel, requires dual in tank fuel pumps to replace factory pump. E85 has allowed me to get to 600WHP on just a turbo upgrade and downpipes/cutout. You can run up to 500HP on E48 with just the in tank duel pump setup.

Exhaust Manifolds - Now that I've hit 600WHP, the small size of the factory exhaust manifolds is starting to get in the way, need to find a way to replace stockers, this might open up a way to also install a T3 turbo swap.

Water to Air Intercooler - 600WHP has caused me to start looking hard at the factory intercooler and replacing it. An aftermarket water to air will be the best scenario as there's just no good way to fit a big air to air in the front of the car. I'm guessing at the current 26PSI I'm at that I can pick up 30-50WHP here.

Dual-in-tank fuel pumps -
Auxiliary fuel system required for this one as the stock system can't handle ANY E85 mix without running out of fuel. E85 let's you increase the timing massively and run "hotter" boost while cooling the intake track off as well. An alternative to running alky/water injection but a true fuel.


That's all I've got for now, if we see more items we'll add them in the future.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: shoman04 on August 03, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
Thanks 4dr good #s. But you forgot one, weight for every 100lb is a 0.1 sec at the track.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: breeves002 on August 04, 2013, 02:29:25 PM
Quote from: shoman04 on August 03, 2013, 02:29:59 PM
Thanks 4dr good #s. But you forgot one, weight for every 100lb is a 0.1 sec at the track.

So loose 100lbs then! :P

The SHO is freaking heavy as hell... Hopefully the hopefully new one in 2015 will be a bit lighter.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on August 04, 2013, 03:44:36 PM
Well weight loss should be free. I've been thinking about pulling all my interior except driver's seat and see what it weighs and how it will run. :)
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: breeves002 on August 04, 2013, 06:30:32 PM
Worth a shot, Although its probably only worth it when you're ready to really try and get some good runs in. Such a pain to pull everything.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: Needmoreboost on October 01, 2013, 08:05:12 PM
What about a how much s***/weight can you actually pull out of the car in less than 1 hour to reduce weight??  Pray do tell...
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on October 05, 2013, 05:48:48 PM
Edited the list with my latest findings.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoBrick Bob on October 05, 2013, 07:07:11 PM
Quote from: darreli on August 05, 2013, 11:23:42 AM
Quote from: crash712us on August 05, 2013, 11:16:10 AM
Uh-oh! Not the wheel weight argument again. Lol
Hopefully Darrell doesn't read. While you are technically correct, but with real world testing of our cars lighter weight wheels actually prove to be slower. At least in darrell case it has his 18lb tsw's have prove to be slower. It appears that the sho's heavy wheels help aid in putting the power to the pavement.

Thats funny s@#t! I was biting my tongue...LOL

I will be testing this... I have moved my 18" Nitto DR's over to some custom G8 bolt pattern Beyern Multi's... I am going to buy some bolt on wheel spacers that will allow me to run these 120 mm bolt pattern wheels on 114.3 mm bp Flex. These wheels weigh around 8 lbs more than TSW's that had the DR's on them earlier.

Perhaps lighter rear wheels are still a good idea due to the lack of available torque at rear.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: TouchOfEvil on October 26, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
If it's only 8lbs on two wheels the total drop should be about 1 tenth in the quarter. Assuming you can hook and the weight saving is not negated.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: QuickSilver on November 23, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
Great thread Mike, I  :salute: to your experience and insight on the Ecoboost platform, heck you're the guy that told me about this forum from that other forum(that just has SUV's ;), thanks for that! When I look at the platform as a whole and consider what  mods to undertake, IMO the intercooler upgrade should be a much higher priority on your  list.  I built a few of these same IC's from J Yard Mitsu Eclipse cores because they are compact, thick, and have great flow  potential when adding two or more together. I built this one for another project but I'm gonna use it on Quicksilver after modding the outlet to opposite side and increasing to 3". By the looks of the stock unit, just the IC upgrade alone is gonna be worth good quality power.  Do you know of anyone who did just the IC alone with B2B testing? I'll do the seat of the pants test but that's pretty un-empirical and way subjective... 
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: Fast SHO on December 06, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
I just wanted to point out that an upgraded intercooler might not achieve the gains you are expecting with meth/water already one of the mods.  One of the true benefits of the meth/water injection is that it SIGNIFICANTLY cools intake charge.  In fact, a lot of the people I know run meth/water for the cooling impact and not really so much for the Octane boost.

There are some who even run without an intercooler on custom turbo builds because they have the meth injection.

A small shot of N2O achieves the same thing with the obvious HP increase.  Run say a 50 shot at the track and at the same time you can run a more aggressive tune due to the cooling effects as well.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on December 06, 2013, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: QuickSilver on November 23, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
Great thread Mike, I  :salute: to your experience and insight on the Ecoboost platform, heck you're the guy that told me about this forum from that other forum(that just has SUV's ;) , thanks for that! When I look at the platform as a whole and consider what  mods to undertake, IMO the intercooler upgrade should be a much higher priority on your  list.  I built a few of these same IC's from J Yard Mitsu Eclipse cores because they are compact, thick, and have great flow  potential when adding two or more together. I built this one for another project but I'm gonna use it on Quicksilver after modding the outlet to opposite side and increasing to 3". By the looks of the stock unit, just the IC upgrade alone is gonna be worth good quality power.  Do you know of anyone who did just the IC alone with B2B testing? I'll do the seat of the pants test but that's pretty un-empirical and way subjective... 
You guys in the explorers have a "regular" intercooler, the other transverse motors do not and it would be a HUGE undertaking to upgrade the stocker.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on December 06, 2013, 11:55:25 PM
I've been quiet on this thread while you gurus hash things out.  :popcorn: I do have a question.  I've seen folks chill the intake manifold with ice.  So what do folks think about the systems that use the air conditioner to cool manifold or intake air... to make it a real CAI especially in places like Phx?  :dunno:

4DR... your updates are much appreciated!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: 68_GT on December 07, 2013, 12:44:32 AM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on December 06, 2013, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: QuickSilver on November 23, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
Great thread Mike, I  :salute: to your experience and insight on the Ecoboost platform, heck you're the guy that told me about this forum from that other forum(that just has SUV's ;) , thanks for that! When I look at the platform as a whole and consider what  mods to undertake, IMO the intercooler upgrade should be a much higher priority on your  list.  I built a few of these same IC's from J Yard Mitsu Eclipse cores because they are compact, thick, and have great flow  potential when adding two or more together. I built this one for another project but I'm gonna use it on Quicksilver after modding the outlet to opposite side and increasing to 3". By the looks of the stock unit, just the IC upgrade alone is gonna be worth good quality power.  Do you know of anyone who did just the IC alone with B2B testing? I'll do the seat of the pants test but that's pretty un-empirical and way subjective... 
You guys in the explorers have a "regular" intercooler, the other transverse motors do not and it would be a HUGE undertaking to upgrade the stocker.

why is that? nothing but the size of the stocker will fit in the location, or becasue there is not one made as a direct replacement upgrade ? That would be nice to swap in a new intercooler for a meth like power increase.

thanks

Bigmac the killer chillers on the SVTPerformance seemed to be a decent upgrade is there something like that for our cars ? those a/c to intercooler kits are cooling off a heat exchanger / water / coolant intercooler system so it's not like ours though.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on December 07, 2013, 01:00:50 AM
I was just wondering if the chiller makes much more power as it takes to run it.  We all shut off our a/c when racing just to get the power back that it uses.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on December 07, 2013, 01:28:50 AM
Quote from: 68_GT on December 07, 2013, 12:44:32 AM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on December 06, 2013, 11:43:03 PM
Quote from: QuickSilver on November 23, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
Great thread Mike, I  :salute: to your experience and insight on the Ecoboost platform, heck you're the guy that told me about this forum from that other forum(that just has SUV's ;) , thanks for that! When I look at the platform as a whole and consider what  mods to undertake, IMO the intercooler upgrade should be a much higher priority on your  list.  I built a few of these same IC's from J Yard Mitsu Eclipse cores because they are compact, thick, and have great flow  potential when adding two or more together. I built this one for another project but I'm gonna use it on Quicksilver after modding the outlet to opposite side and increasing to 3". By the looks of the stock unit, just the IC upgrade alone is gonna be worth good quality power.  Do you know of anyone who did just the IC alone with B2B testing? I'll do the seat of the pants test but that's pretty un-empirical and way subjective... 
You guys in the explorers have a "regular" intercooler, the other transverse motors do not and it would be a HUGE undertaking to upgrade the stocker.

why is that? nothing but the size of the stocker will fit in the location, or becasue there is not one made as a direct replacement upgrade ? That would be nice to swap in a new intercooler for a meth like power increase.

Bigmac the killer chillers on the SVTPerformance seemed to be a decent upgrade is there something like that for our cars ? those a/c to intercooler kits are cooling off a heat exchanger / water / coolant intercooler system so it's not like ours though.

thanks

68... I could have sworn Killer Chiller made one for the SHO.. sure I saw it somewhere... maybe it was one of those other systems.  I just think about lost performance when it's likely 160o+ air going in to my "cold" air intake all summer here.

DJ... good point, nothing that moves is free as far as energy... where does it balance?  Maybe someone here has one and can answer the question. AC off, sure!  Would it help to cool them before the hole-shot or in a road race... not sure.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: 68_GT on December 07, 2013, 01:41:35 AM
on the Mustang Cobras they run new a/c lines fromthe compresor to a box the intercooler water / coolant flows through to cool the liquid from the cold a/c lines that's it. A/c compressor should still work the same at shut off at wide open throttle anyway. You're just benefitting from something your car is already doing. I'd like to see the kit for the SHO if you come across it.

I couldn't find anything on a ecoboost vehicle for killer chiller but there's lots of info on those kits on a heat exchanger system here...http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/terminator-talk-229/969055-killer-chiller-gen-3-drag-kit-install-complete-pics.html (http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/terminator-talk-229/969055-killer-chiller-gen-3-drag-kit-install-complete-pics.html)
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on December 07, 2013, 01:55:32 AM
So they must be using the return ac coolant after the expansion valve in the cabin?  Wonder if the intermittent cycling makes much difference?
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: 68_GT on December 07, 2013, 02:03:16 AM
beats me I just don't see how this could do anyting for our intercooler systems since we are air to air. I think it would have to be completely reworked with parts that don't exist.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: SHOdded on December 07, 2013, 05:40:39 AM
Hopefully QuickSilver's IC redesign idea will bear fruit.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: Frozen Taurus on December 07, 2013, 06:08:44 AM
I gotta second the idea on an IC upgrade, most IC cores are rated for only so many CFM and you guys running higher boost levels and upgraded turbo's are flowing quite a bit more air. When you over run the CFM rating for an IC core you get a PSI drop from the inlet side vs the outlet ...what if an IC upgrade netted you more PSI entering the motor?
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on December 07, 2013, 08:12:27 AM
Killer chiller won't work it's for water to air ic, we have air to air. The sho/flex intercooler is in a bad spot, wedged between the radiator and the condenser and its very thin. I've looked at it with Geoff from full race and we decided it would be next to impossible to upgrade. The only feasible option I could think of was to replace factory ic with a heat exchanger for a water to air ic. The actual intercooler would go where the stock air box is. The price would be at least $1500 but I would bet be worth 40 hp on upgraded turbos due to better efficiency and less pressure drop.

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Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: 68_GT on December 10, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
the F150 ecoboost has a lerger intercooler right ? I guess there's no way to fit it in and plumb it up ?
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on December 10, 2013, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: 68_GT on December 10, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
the F150 ecoboost has a lerger intercooler right ? I guess there's no way to fit it in and plumb it up ?
No way possible, there's no room, it's 1" thick...
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on December 10, 2013, 11:56:18 AM
Review on 2010-2012 SHO Down Pipes from LMS website.

"Second best bang for the buck powerwise. I picked up around 12hp to the wheels. Sound is great as well. Beautifully done downpipes!"

I was hoping it would have been more like 20-25 WHP.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on December 10, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
I picked up 20HP on my PPE catted pipes, should be about the same.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: bpd1151 on December 10, 2013, 02:25:23 PM
Since I was literally THE 1st to run completely catless, I wish now in hindsight, I would've had her dyno'd before/after install.....

As it stands now, I have no clue what I picked up. I don't think it really mattered much until I went and had my tune file revised anyhow. In order to truly benefit from this mod that is.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on December 10, 2013, 03:46:03 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on December 10, 2013, 02:25:23 PM
Since I was literally THE 1st to run completely catless, I wish now in hindsight, I would've had her dyno'd before/after install.....

As it stands now, I have no clue what I picked up. I don't think it really mattered much until I went and had my tune file revised anyhow. In order to truly benefit from this mod that is.
I definitely picked up HP with no change in tune, it's due to the less restriction on the turbos. I was able to run .2 faster and 2mph faster in back to back testing at the track with the only change of uncorking my cutout. My open cutout and downpipes made the exact same power on the dyno.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: wasinger3000 on December 11, 2013, 12:45:48 AM
Ill try to keep this short. Im new here. Not new to ford or ecoboost. Just new to the SHO. I traded my 13' stang in for a 13' SHO and now im looking for some more power... Kinda miss my 0-60 in 3.9...

So my question is this, Ive read around here for a few days and noticed that the LMS tune may have a few bugs to work out. Im not sure if the Unleashed tune is the same way. Is it a good idea to wait for a revised tune to come out? Or is it safe to just get a tune now and go with it. Id rather not have issues on a new car.

Also do these cars gain anything from a K&N drop in? Seeing how the aftermarket intakes aren't anything more than a hot air intake.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on December 11, 2013, 01:05:01 AM
Intake question first.  Since I've been hot on it.  I really don't think you will see any noticeable gains on any intake or filter.  The drop in will let it breath easier and K&N claims 1-4 HP.  You won't notice that.  The K&N Typhoon and AirRaid claim about 12-14 HP.  You might feel that BUT allowing hot engine air in will negate that.  The AirRaid is sealed better but won't give you the "noise" like the Typhoon will. 

As far as the tune goes, there have been some reports of stuttering and maybe starving the engine at high rpms.  LMS is continuing to work on that.  ivofe just got a newer tune from LMS and is going to be testing it.  We'll see what he says.  I don't know what version he got.  V7 was the last I heard of.  That one seemed to help relieve the problems.

If you decide to go with an Unleashed tune and want to get the maximum out of it you will have to data log so Torrie can tweak it for you. Some of the guys have done this and have had fine results.  I am to lazy to data log so I just go with the LMS canned/custom tunes.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: JMR76 on December 11, 2013, 01:43:55 AM
I've been running LMS tunes for over a year on my 13 SHO.  I never had any issues with the early ones, only 93v6 (which had more power) version and it wasn't horrible, just some minor stuttering on WOT and only for a few seconds once in a while (discussed in other threads).  v7 is a big improvement and I think they are still tweaking.  Customer service is great and they've always worked with me in a timely matter.  I can't comment on the other brands since I don't have any experience with them.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: wasinger3000 on December 11, 2013, 12:43:21 PM
Thanks for all the info guys. Ill wait on a true intake like on the trucks. If it ever gets made.

So is it really worth the extra cost for a LMS tune over unleashed? Not trying to start a war, im not trying to pick a favorite.. just want real world answers. I understand LMS can work with more parameters with their own programming device vs an Xcal. Is that to say the Unleashed tune would be less effective? Would future updates yield fewer gains/improvements?

Also i would  like to have some kind of monitor in the car for temperature and what not. Thats why im leaning towards the Unleashed because i can get a livewire with a tune for the price of what just the tune and device cost at LMS. I was thinking of just buying one of those 4.3" tablets and running the torque app on it if i had to.

Last question. Are the stock plugs ok to use with a tune? After i gap them correctly? Or should i go with the F150 plug since its a step colder if im not mistaken? What about using Brisk plugs?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BigPelo on December 11, 2013, 12:57:52 PM
I had LMS canned tune for 1+ year and I am now using unleashed custom tune. They both have pros and cons but Torrie is working to whip the cons off and has an outstanding customer support. I am staying with unleashed for now.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: steve142857 on December 11, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: BigPelo on December 11, 2013, 12:57:52 PM
I had LMS canned tune for 1+ year and I am now using unleashed custom tune. They both have pros and cons but Torrie is working to whip the cons off and has an outstanding customer support. I am staying with unleashed for now.
Frank: I dealt with Torrie when I purchased the 3bar map and the Tstat170 and indeed, he offers a very good customer support.

When I drove your car at the track this summer, I felt that your car was sluggish and I am curious to see what the new tune of Unleashed will do for your car... I thought either the tune needed adjustments or it was the K&N filter.

À bientôt!

Steve
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BigPelo on December 11, 2013, 03:29:41 PM
Quote from: steve142857 on December 11, 2013, 02:38:30 PM
Quote from: BigPelo on December 11, 2013, 12:57:52 PM
I had LMS canned tune for 1+ year and I am now using unleashed custom tune. They both have pros and cons but Torrie is working to whip the cons off and has an outstanding customer support. I am staying with unleashed for now.
Frank: I dealt with Torrie when I purchased the 3bar map and the Tstat170 and indeed, he offers a very good customer support.

When I drove your car at the track this summer, I felt that your car was sluggish and I am curious to see what the new tune of Unleashed will do for your car... I thought either the tune needed adjustments or it was the K&N filter.

À bientôt!

Steve

Torrie's tune is definetly more violent! (Not has violent as your meth injected downpiped free flow exhausted SHO though) Can't wait for spring to return to Napierville dragway and compare times.

I will try to thermal wrap the aluminium piping of the K&N and see if intake temp keeps cooler.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: 68_GT on December 11, 2013, 11:32:21 PM
is the K&N intake pipe metal ? can the be ceramic coated inside and out ?
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on December 11, 2013, 11:36:42 PM
It is aluminum.  I don't know if it could be ceramic coated or not.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on January 21, 2014, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on December 10, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
I picked up 20HP on my PPE catted pipes, should be about the same.

We are talking wheel horse power, right?
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on January 21, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: 68_GT on December 11, 2013, 11:32:21 PM
is the K&N intake pipe metal ? can the be ceramic coated inside and out ?

Good question.. 4DR is more familiar with fabbing stuff..... but I seem to recollect a discussion he and I had with Jeremy over at BMR about it taking enough temp that aluminum would melt... not completely sure of the numbers.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on January 21, 2014, 08:37:36 PM
Quote from: DJE624 on January 21, 2014, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on December 10, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
I picked up 20HP on my PPE catted pipes, should be about the same.

We are talking wheel horse power, right?

Yes... 4DR said WHP  He posted a fairly long list of things by WHP gain and cost..... last updated Oct 2013 (earlier in this thread).
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on January 21, 2014, 09:05:37 PM
That's what I thought but wanted to be sure.  I should be able to claim 23 w/o cats.  Not counting tune tweaks, Typhoon +-, or third cat/res delete.  I'll be 365 WP.  Easy 12's.  Yeehaw!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on January 21, 2014, 09:10:09 PM
Ya!!!!!  fer sure!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: dcpatters on January 21, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
Not sure how the OEM mufflers are on the SHO, but from what I can tell, the ExSport OEM mufflers appear straight through, just long. So I'm not sure the vehicle would benefit from a muffler swap. Definitely plan on an X - pipe and high flow chatted down pipes.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: panther427 on January 22, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Has anyone just removed the mufflers
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: crash712us on January 22, 2014, 05:29:53 PM
There was one fella that remove them all, don't remember who it was. But it didn't sound obnoxious.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on January 22, 2014, 05:51:36 PM
Quote from: panther427 on January 22, 2014, 05:25:03 PM
Has anyone just removed the mufflers

How about leaving stock exhaust alone except adding an X-pipe with a boost activated cutout to completely eliminate exhaust resistance when you ask the engine for a lot?!.  Even add a solenoid to close the boost line when you want it quiet.

Here's 2 threads on this here, first one is a video of such a beast in action (the cutout I mean):
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=276.msg723#msg723 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=276.msg723#msg723)
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=700.msg5595#msg5595 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=700.msg5595#msg5595)
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on January 22, 2014, 08:08:22 PM
You still need down pipes ahead of it. 
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BiGMaC on January 22, 2014, 08:21:32 PM
..DPs with thermal coating on order now!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: DJE624 on January 22, 2014, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on January 22, 2014, 08:21:32 PM
..DPs with thermal coating on order now!

Ditto! 
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: silver86 on March 12, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on December 06, 2013, 11:43:03 PM
You guys in the explorers have a "regular" intercooler, the other transverse motors do not and it would be a HUGE undertaking to upgrade the stocker.

Still learning about my new platform. Does this mean that the ESports have an adequate intercooler?

Also, is anyone currently working on ported exhaust manifolds? Haven't had a turbo car in almost a decade, so this may be a stupid question.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on March 12, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: silver86 on March 12, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on December 06, 2013, 11:43:03 PM
You guys in the explorers have a "regular" intercooler, the other transverse motors do not and it would be a HUGE undertaking to upgrade the stocker.

Still learning about my new platform. Does this mean that the ESports have an adequate intercooler?

Also, is anyone currently working on ported exhaust manifolds? Haven't had a turbo car in almost a decade, so this may be a stupid question.
Can't port the car exhaust manifolds, they're sheet metal :(
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: silver86 on March 12, 2014, 07:23:11 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 12, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
Can't port the car exhaust manifolds, they're sheet metal :(

That's just tragic....
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: BoostedSho2010 on March 15, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: dcpatters on January 21, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
Not sure how the OEM mufflers are on the SHO, but from what I can tell, the ExSport OEM mufflers appear straight through, just long. So I'm not sure the vehicle would benefit from a muffler swap. Definitely plan on an X - pipe and high flow chatted down pipes.
Mufflers are heavy stock


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Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on May 26, 2017, 02:17:32 PM
Any updates to this? This thread is great info, but being from 2013 I'd hope new mods and technology have come out. Thanks!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: EcoPowerParts on May 26, 2017, 02:24:51 PM
Nope, not really, same old stuff just found that the trans can't really handle above 500WTQ for more than a few months at a time.
My suggestion use the upgraded stock turbos I sell when/if your stockers go out with meth or race gas for a good and reliable long term car.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: ZSHO on May 26, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
Welcome aboard there FiveLeeter918 and due setup an intro by following the below link,thanks. Z

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/board,14.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/board,14.0.html)
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 02, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 26, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
Welcome aboard there FiveLeeter918 and due setup an intro by following the below link,thanks. Z

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/board,14.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/board,14.0.html)

Now that I officially took delivery of it Wednesday, I definitely will!
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: avidmotion on July 28, 2017, 07:43:27 PM
Not sure if this was discussed,  but on the G8 heat killed hp just like on the SHO. They had one thing they called the HSRK. Or heat soak reduction kit. What it was is a much quicker reacting temp sensor, IAT, placed in the airfilter. Helps  at the track, the lazy stock IAT would not change the cooler temps that happen just with airflow once moving until after your 1/4 mile race. I am sure it could help us too. My intake goes up fast in temp on stopping, once I am moving again, slowly goes back down to 9 above ambient. Just a thought every little bit counts.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: jbrown9999 on June 19, 2018, 03:52:50 AM
One thing I haven't seen is the Silver Bullet.  I think it works.
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: irondoor19 on July 27, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: jbrown9999 on June 19, 2018, 03:52:50 AM
One thing I haven't seen is the Silver Bullet.  I think it works.

Hey: I looked it up on the website, But NO listing for the 2011
how about a P/N on the Silver bullet...? thanks in advance
Title: Re: Power per mod discussion
Post by: Black Dream on June 18, 2019, 06:31:45 PM
I could be wrong but I think he meant a Coors Light......
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