ETA in 20 minutes... let see if she will hold together for a run or two...
good luck! lets see if the MSD coils hold up LOL.
Track is cold... advancetrac kicked on during launch... didn't actually hit full boost until 3rd gear... 12.49 @ 110mph...
12.4 is still a respectable run!
Quote from: bpd1151 on March 25, 2018, 04:29:01 PM
12.4 is still a respectable run!
Yea... maybe... not happy... I love this tune from Brad but it brings the kitchen sink off the line... frustrating that I have to fight this non-PP programming... if it could hook and go it would be NASTY....
Even with a dorked 12.4 all these guys are bitter.... this fat pig is still faster than the ponies... they won't talk to me anymore...
(https://i.imgur.com/wpK15ZOh.jpg)
X-2 Respectable indeed! I would of gave it some time especially after that P0020 ordeal. Btw fixed the ^^^ Pic for ya. Z :)
Loaded the LMS tune... traction is too much of an issue at the track for Brads tune...
Still ran a 12.4 lol...
Well you can't always save the world lol....is there a water box that you are forced to drive through?
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 25, 2018, 05:35:36 PM
Well you can't always save the world lol....is there a water box that you are forced to drive through?
Nah, I can get around it... everyone is having issues with traction today...
If I could disable advancetrac it would be a different story...
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 25, 2018, 05:38:47 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 25, 2018, 05:35:36 PM
Well you can't always save the world lol....is there a water box that you are forced to drive through?
Nah, I can get around it... everyone is having issues with traction today...
If I could disable advancetrac it would be a different story...
try airing down?
21psi all around at this point...
That water is a killer though...I hate how most tracks don't have a path so you can go around it if you want.....just a little bit of water is enough to initiate a spin then once it starts it's easy to blow them off
So a question, is the advance trac a separate system? tied in with abs maybe?
My last car was a STSV, they had major traction issues when you played to hard. One trick people used to stop the interference was to pull the abs fuse...
Just curious if something similar could be done with the SHO when at the track? I want to see STS really put a hurtin on some folks at the track.
Got 5 runs in... all 12.4... at least it was stupid consistent tonight... track prep was abysmal... everyone was complaining about it. Temps were in the mid to high 40's with a NASTY head wind...
Oh well... another night. I NEED to get this AJPTurbo tune to hook... 12.4 with NO boost in first or second gear....
For comparison all the Mustang GTs were running 12.5's or worse... tuned etc... gotta funny story about me being pulled to run a 5.7 Dodge Charger RT cause it would be a more fair race....
All in all it was an OK day.. 12.4 is not bad overall.. I do believe short of the M3 and VW Golf-R I was the fastest street car there while I was there... Negative DA was nice, the cold track with not a lot of prep was not nice. The MOPAR guys couldn't touch me nor could the GT's.. always good to compare with other cars at the track I think.. kinda confirms its not just me with issues getting out of the hole...
There was another SHO there, stock, ran 14.01 IIRC.. 2015 Black Non-PP... nice lady driving it.
Soooo... I am sitting in the back of the line for T&T and there is a Charger R/T in the left staging lane.. him and the mustang crowd all started to wave at me.. my buddy Nick is like "Dude, they want you want come take that spot in the right lane next to the charger".. I am thinking why the heck does he want me up there?!
Dude runs down to talk to me and sure enough, he wants me up there with him so he doesn't have to run any of the mustangs and look bad.....
So I stare down the line of cars in front of me and I am like "Sure why not?" so I mosey up to the front of the line.. all the mustang guys are laughing.. the Charger guy starts telling me that it our race would be more fair since we are heavy four doors and since I have V6 Taurus, it should be a good run...
He asks me what I normally run.. I said usually in the low 12's but I am running 12.4's today.. The dudes face just crumbles... then he turns around and yells at all the mustang guys "This Taurus is faster than all you MF'ers"... to which they all laughed...
In any event... Mr. Charger and I ran.. he put down a whopping 13.3 and I ran a 12.4 since I am Mr. Consistent today for some reason...
Thats when the Mustang crowd quit talking to me... we were all talking in the pits... oh well... They did have me line up against their buddy with the 2017 Mustang GT with a lund tune and bolt ons... He ran a 12.55 IIRC... but he was running that all night...
Always fun at the track.. I dunno why the Taurus always gets some attention one way or another... today it was because it was the only other fat 4 door in the staging lanes lol...
Classic story, the fat belle at the ball turned into the BEAST and ate all the mofos dinner while they were watching.
You represented us well.
Was the mustang guy in the classy sweatpants flipping you the bird in that one pic?
I loved the story myself.
Dyno-miiiiiiiiiiite !
Yea, the 'Stang owners never seem to be to happy with our platform constantly spank'n them. That's for sure.
Quote from: glock-coma on March 25, 2018, 09:58:22 PM
Classic story, the fat belle at the ball turned into the BEAST and ate all the mofos dinner while they were watching.
You represented us well.
Was the mustang guy in the classy sweatpants flipping you the bird in that one pic?
Lol... I didn't even think of that story line.. but very fitting for today. I ended up going against that red mustang in the picture... the owner of that one is the guy to the right with the red hat on.. and all those guys were part of some mustang club...
The classy guy in the sweatpants was actually pretty cool... he was very familiar with the SHO and tried to tell them I wasn't gonna go down easy...
FWIW I purposely photo bombed their group picture with the cars... at some point someone is gonna notice a blue Taurus in the background right behind their mustangs with some dude picking his nose and staring at the camera... just wish I could get a hold of it!
I hope to hell my Mustang will run 12.5s. They need a lot of suspension work and good driving to do it. The automatics are usually better than the sticks. I got some new shoes for mine. Hopefully first gear will be good for something besides spinning.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 26, 2018, 09:32:26 AM
I hope to hell my Mustang will run 12.5s. They need a lot of suspension work and good driving to do it. The automatics are usually better than the sticks. I got some new shoes for mine. Hopefully first gear will be good for something besides spinning.
TBH I don't follow the mustang crowd that closely.. all they kept talking about is how they are 11.9 stock on the new 2018 and low 12's stock on the 2017.... and that on a better day they would be towing my car down the track...
That 12.5 he ran was @ 117mph iirc... my 12.4's were all @ 110mph...
Traction was a limiting factor for everyone yesterday...
I guess in short... is 12.5 decent for a newer mustang with bolt ons and a tune?
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 26, 2018, 09:32:26 AM
I hope to hell my Mustang will run 12.5s. They need a lot of suspension work and good driving to do it. The automatics are usually better than the sticks. I got some new shoes for mine. Hopefully first gear will be good for something besides spinning.
TBH I don't follow the mustang crowd that closely.. all they kept talking about is how they are 11.9 stock on the new 2018 and low 12's stock on the 2017.... and that on a better day they would be towing my car down the track...
That 12.5 he ran was @ 117mph iirc... my 12.4's were all @ 110mph...
Traction was a limiting factor for everyone yesterday...
I guess in short... is 12.5 decent for a newer mustang with bolt ons and a tune?
I have learned a ton about them since getting mine and participating in dedicated Mustang forums. They have a tendency to wheelhop BADLY if you launch them very hard. They have been known to snap half-shafts, too. Even if you can avoid the wheelhop, they do not get traction worth a crap, either. They are very good from the 1/8 mile on and will turn in good trap speed but they need a lot of mods to get them to hook well and hook smoothly.
At the tracks in my world, I see stock 2015-2017 GTs running around 13 flat and those with a tune around 12.5. By the time our tracks open, we usually have DA of 2000 or higher, though. I haven't seen a 2018 run but I have read that when equipped with the 10 speed automatic, they are low 12 second cars and even high 11s occasionally. The automatic can be launched better and the 10 speed keeps the engine in the ideal power band.
Please share you time slip. :)
Car 531
Ignore the R/T's... I wasn't trying to nail a good light yesterday...
Run 1: Fox body mustang with slicks.. typical fox body you see at the track
Run 2: The Charger mentioned in my previous post.. HEMI powered... ha!
Run 3: M3 douche bag (yes the guy was a douche.. his license plate said "Swyp-rht") but his car was quick
Run 4: Dodge truck..
Run 5: 2017 Mustang GT with full bolt on's and tune
Datalog from AJPTurbo's tune... 12.49 @ 110MPH advancetrac nightmare.. no real boost until end of 2nd gear into the start of 3rd...
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
Datalog from AJPTurbo's tune... 12.49 @ 110MPH advancetrac nightmare.. no real boost until end of 2nd gear into the start of 3rd...
I thought that that's what you're desiring is no boost until 3rd gear due to traction issues??
Quote from: bpd1151 on March 26, 2018, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
Datalog from AJPTurbo's tune... 12.49 @ 110MPH advancetrac nightmare.. no real boost until end of 2nd gear into the start of 3rd...
I thought that that's what you're desiring is no boost until 3rd gear due to traction issues??
Absolutely not. My bad if my wording gave that assumption. Or you just trolling... one of the two... Advancetrac cut me off at the knees on that launch...
If I had hooked.. maybe an 11.539 might have happened ;-)
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on March 26, 2018, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
Datalog from AJPTurbo's tune... 12.49 @ 110MPH advancetrac nightmare.. no real boost until end of 2nd gear into the start of 3rd...
I thought that that's what you're desiring is no boost until 3rd gear due to traction issues??
Absolutely not. My bad if my wording gave that assumption. Or you just trolling... one of the two... Advancetrac cut me off at the knees on that launch...
Never troll my friend.
I thought you posted elsewhere that you desired no boost in 1st and 2nd due to traction issues.
So I was confused. Thus my post.
Moving along, I myself would be
HIGHLY skeptical of your believed potential 11.5 run.
But alas I'll digress. I'll see it when you achieve it
AND post video of it.
No offense.
Quote from: bpd1151 on March 26, 2018, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 03:35:35 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on March 26, 2018, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
Datalog from AJPTurbo's tune... 12.49 @ 110MPH advancetrac nightmare.. no real boost until end of 2nd gear into the start of 3rd...
I thought that that's what you're desiring is no boost until 3rd gear due to traction issues??
Absolutely not. My bad if my wording gave that assumption. Or you just trolling... one of the two... Advancetrac cut me off at the knees on that launch...
Never troll my friend.
I thought you posted elsewhere that you desired no boost in 1st and 2nd due to traction issues.
So I was confused. Thus my post.
Moving along, I myself would be HIGHLY skeptical of your believed potential 11.5 run.
But alas I'll digress. I'll see it when you achieve it AND post video of it.
No offense.
Lol.. none taken... feeling a little punchy today.. might have to do with the severe lack of sleep due to the little ones last night... I would have crapped my pants if it ticked over an 11.5 ha!
In any event.. no... I desire boost in first and second... the non-pp sometimes cuts boost when the front tires slip too much and it truncates power to the rear... torque source 15 iirc...
Which makes me wonder about your setup.... probably LMS trickery in their programming...
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 26, 2018, 03:55:00 PM
Which makes me wonder about your setup.... probably LMS trickery in their programming...
Lol.
No trickery. Just pure, unabated fun thanks entirely to the wizardry of Dan Millen himself.
I won't ever care to entertain anyone else. Dan has proven his weight in the tuning arena time and time again.
And the records prove that.
I will be running mine as soon as the track opens! Looking good man that advance trac sucks!!! What RPM are you leaving at?
Thanks Skydog
Well... with Brads tune I need to feather the throttle but I try to leave the line around 1900 RPMs... any more and I spin out and any less it bogs...
And trying to feather a fly by wire along with throttle controlled boost spikes is a nightmare in its own right...
I can't see until tomorrow but is that the very last tune you have and did you see tq source 15 in that log?
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 26, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
I can't see until tomorrow but is that the very last tune you have and did you see tq source 15 in that log?
No, I ran the tune targeting 15psi with stock throttle scaling. And yes, torque source 15... rev 34 I think.
I sent you an email... I'm thinking of trying a different approach... I think all that spark off the line is killing me... or the boost is coming in too early.... but either way the tune is almost unusable from a dig.. unless it's warm out, the track has a ton of Vht sprayed, and my tires are at 20psi like last year... then it would hook...
Quote from: stealbluesho on March 25, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
All in all it was an OK day.. 12.4 is not bad overall.. I do believe short of the M3 and VW Golf-R I was the fastest street car there while I was there... Negative DA was nice, the cold track with not a lot of prep was not nice. The MOPAR guys couldn't touch me nor could the GT's.. always good to compare with other cars at the track I think.. kinda confirms its not just me with issues getting out of the hole...
There was another SHO there, stock, ran 14.01 IIRC.. 2015 Black Non-PP... nice lady driving it.
Soooo... I am sitting in the back of the line for T&T and there is a Charger R/T in the left staging lane.. him and the mustang crowd all started to wave at me.. my buddy Nick is like "Dude, they want you want come take that spot in the right lane next to the charger".. I am thinking why the heck does he want me up there?!
Dude runs down to talk to me and sure enough, he wants me up there with him so he doesn't have to run any of the mustangs and look bad.....
So I stare down the line of cars in front of me and I am like "Sure why not?" so I mosey up to the front of the line.. all the mustang guys are laughing.. the Charger guy starts telling me that it our race would be more fair since we are heavy four doors and since I have V6 Taurus, it should be a good run...
He asks me what I normally run.. I said usually in the low 12's but I am running 12.4's today.. The dudes face just crumbles... then he turns around and yells at all the mustang guys "This Taurus is faster than all you MF'ers"... to which they all laughed...
In any event... Mr. Charger and I ran.. he put down a whopping 13.3 and I ran a 12.4 since I am Mr. Consistent today for some reason...
Thats when the Mustang crowd quit talking to me... we were all talking in the pits... oh well... They did have me line up against their buddy with the 2017 Mustang GT with a lund tune and bolt ons... He ran a 12.55 IIRC... but he was running that all night...
Always fun at the track.. I dunno why the Taurus always gets some attention one way or another... today it was because it was the only other fat 4 door in the staging lanes lol...
I may not race this year (I am probably kidding myself ..) but last year under meth in Portland and Woodburn killing the college kids in newer 2015/2016 mustangs was always enjoyable (12.6# all night). it is getting harder though, Ford has been stepping up he TQ and power profile over time and the 2017 is much harder for me to beat. I wont be beating any 2018's though unless they launch bad.. until I read it recently i had not realized they had gone with new liners,valves,cams and upped the displacement a super tiny bit and monkeyed with the ECM.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2018/2018-chevrolet-camaro-ss-1le-vs-2018-ford-mustang-gt-performance-pack-comparison/ (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2018/2018-chevrolet-camaro-ss-1le-vs-2018-ford-mustang-gt-performance-pack-comparison/)
I wont give up my SHO, but that's a $%^&ing nice 5.01 liter block..
Wow that new 5.0 going to roll!!! Time for some bigger snails!!! Lol
SBS looking at your slips.. Your losing a tenth in your 60fts no matter what tune your running. Did they have it prepped at all? Think you need to stiffen your coil overs a little more.
Quote from: bamsho on March 27, 2018, 11:58:56 AM
SBS looking at your slips.. Your losing a tenth in your 60fts no matter what tune your running. Did they have it prepped at all? Think you need to stiffen your coil overs a little more.
Yea, my 60ft is garbage. I've got the suspension set to as tight as I can get it... short of preloading all the springs....
I'm pretty sure they had it prepped... my best 60ft was 1.80... ever....
Load her up around 2100 RPMs and floor it on go... that's best spot for the LMS tune...
1900 for AJPTurbo... anymore and the ECU fights me...
Tires at 21 psi seem to be best...
PTU is working fine...
Only thing I can think of is drop the rear a bit and loose the rake but I don't think that will make a difference? Strut and coils wont be changed...
Otherwise it's the tires...
Dunno?
I would look at tires man!!
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+Sport+COMP-2&partnum=445WR0GFSPC2XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes (https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+Sport+COMP-2&partnum=445WR0GFSPC2XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes)
What I am running...
How old are they?
Quote from: Skydogs on March 27, 2018, 06:37:11 PM
How old are they?
almost freaking new... maybe 5K miles old at MOST...
Those are summer tires. Unless you get them hot, they won't hook. They are worthless when cool. If the temps were in the 40s, I am surprised you were as fast as you were.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 27, 2018, 06:47:08 PM
Those are summer tires. Unless you get them hot, they won't hook. They are worthless when cool. If the temps were in the 40s, I am surprised you were as fast as you were.
I am contemplating get the continental DWS06's... I have suspected the tires being a problem for some time... those are the only tires I have ever run at the track with this car...
And with our AWD system I can't get them hot...
For this platform, seems like all season performance tires would be the best bet? The Comp 2's are a super soft compound though so I thought that would be better... guess not?
Yeah he is right about the cold temps and a summer tire. I run these and they stick hard! I will track in 2 weeks.
https://www.michelinman.com/tire/michelin/pilot-sport-a-s-3 (https://www.michelinman.com/tire/michelin/pilot-sport-a-s-3)
Quote from: Skydogs on March 27, 2018, 09:01:01 PM
Yeah he is right about the cold temps and a summer tire. I run these and they stick hard! I will track in 2 weeks.
https://www.michelinman.com/tire/michelin/pilot-sport-a-s-3 (https://www.michelinman.com/tire/michelin/pilot-sport-a-s-3)
The tires you are running have a great reputation with the Mustang folks, too.
Quote from: Skydogs on March 27, 2018, 09:01:01 PM
Yeah he is right about the cold temps and a summer tire. I run these and they stick hard! I will track in 2 weeks.
https://www.michelinman.com/tire/michelin/pilot-sport-a-s-3 (https://www.michelinman.com/tire/michelin/pilot-sport-a-s-3)
Summer tires are fine on RWD cars where you can do a burn-out and get them hot. They are also good for running on a road course where you can get them hot in a lap or two. For drag racing an AWD vehicle, especially in cool temps, they are NOT optimal. While they may be a softer compound, they get hard as concrete in cool temps. They really need heat to work properly. They have been known to crack when driven in temps below 20 degrees or so and should not even be driven on the street in cold temps.
My Mustang had summer tires on it when I got it. I could downshift to 3rd at 70 MPH and spin them on cold dry pavement. 1st gear was useless - nothing but spinning. 2nd was hardly any better. I sold the damn things and put on some all-season BFG Comp 2 A/S. 100% improvement.
The Firehawk Indy 500s I bought seem to work very well. I driven her in below freezing and surprised how well it drove. They hook well at the track.
Quote from: bamsho on March 28, 2018, 01:49:15 PM
The Firehawk Indy 500s I bought seem to work very well. I driven her in below freezing and surprised how well it drove. They hook well at the track.
Those also have a good reputation with the Mustang guys.
Quote from: bamsho on March 28, 2018, 01:49:15 PM
The Firehawk Indy 500s I bought seem to work very well. I driven her in below freezing and surprised how well it drove. They hook well at the track.
Have you launched hard on cold days? This tire is on my short list, actually I have pretty much narrowed down to it when I need to replace tires.
But a large potion of the year here is in that 35-50*f range and raining, so hearing how summer tires are so bad in cold is giving me pause. My car is a year round DD, thankfully we do not really get snow here more than 1-2days a year.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 28, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
My Mustang had summer tires on it when I got it. I could downshift to 3rd at 70 MPH and spin them on cold dry pavement. 1st gear was useless - nothing but spinning. 2nd was hardly any better. I sold the damn things and put on some all-season BFG Comp 2 A/S. 100% improvement.
How is the noise with them? The Summer version is/was my #2 choice after the Firehawks, but I am concerned about the reports that they are noisey. Sounds like they hold well for you, how is cornering? I do not track or road course, but enjoy laying into a corner when possible. One cloverleaf I run routinely is long and smooth so I can really modulate speed and turn rate thru it. The tires I have now I can very much feel the sidewalls roll over when I push it.
It would be interesting to see SBS try the Comp-2 A/S and how they compare. Knowing him and Brad's tunes though, might not be any tires that will hold with the power being throw at them.
Noise reallt isn't bad, and driving in rain, I've been very pleased. I have the summer versions on my car now, but mine isn't a daily driver.
The exhaust on my Mustang is loud enough to drown out most tire noise but the BFG Comp 2 A/S are definitely noisier than the Pirellis that came on the car. They ride better and hook better but they have a growl to them for sure. I really don't mind that on the Mustang but I wouldn't like much noise on an otherwise quiet car like an SHO.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 28, 2018, 04:37:02 PM
The exhaust on my Mustang is loud enough to drown out most tire noise but the BFG Comp 2 A/S are definitely noisier than the Pirellis that came on the car. They ride better and hook better but they have a growl to them for sure. I really don't mind that on the Mustang but I wouldn't like much noise on an otherwise quiet car like an SHO.
Exactly what I was looking to hear. If the A/S are that noisey, the Summer tires must howl.
Quote from: lamrith on March 28, 2018, 03:18:53 PM
Quote from: bamsho on March 28, 2018, 01:49:15 PM
The Firehawk Indy 500s I bought seem to work very well. I driven her in below freezing and surprised how well it drove. They hook well at the track.
Have you launched hard on cold days? This tire is on my short list, actually I have pretty much narrowed down to it when I need to replace tires.
But a large potion of the year here is in that 35-50*f range and raining, so hearing how summer tires are so bad in cold is giving me pause. My car is a year round DD, thankfully we do not really get snow here more than 1-2days a year.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 28, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
My Mustang had summer tires on it when I got it. I could downshift to 3rd at 70 MPH and spin them on cold dry pavement. 1st gear was useless - nothing but spinning. 2nd was hardly any better. I sold the damn things and put on some all-season BFG Comp 2 A/S. 100% improvement.
How is the noise with them? The Summer version is/was my #2 choice after the Firehawks, but I am concerned about the reports that they are noisey. Sounds like they hold well for you, how is cornering? I do not track or road course, but enjoy laying into a corner when possible. One cloverleaf I run routinely is long and smooth so I can really modulate speed and turn rate thru it. The tires I have now I can very much feel the sidewalls roll over when I push it.
It would be interesting to see SBS try the Comp-2 A/S and how they compare. Knowing him and Brad's tunes though, might not be any tires that will hold with the power being throw at them.
I ran the Comp 2 A/S and it honestly wasnt that noisy, but I also am used to loud from exhaust/tires from my mustang. I couldn't hear anything but exhaust once I did that on the SHO. I wasn't running Meth, so my AJP tune wasnt as hopped up as SBS, but I never had an issue with the power levelin the sig (ran 12.89 @ 107 on the Comp 2 A/S. I didn't even adjust tire pressure on them. I never got to see what it would truley run once I did the wastegate mod for the throttle control, and cranked it up a little past that 12.89, since I broke something at the track. It did run a 12.8x with the log showing that it dumped boost at about 3/4 track, so would have been a better run without that.
I ran the Comp 2 A/S and it honestly wasnt that noisy, but I also am used to loud from exhaust/tires from my mustang.
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I agree they are not too bad on a car with exhaust mods. Mustangs don't have as much sound deadening as an SHO, either. I notice more tire noise with the BFGs than I did the Pirellis P zeros but it is not objectionable at all on a car like the Mustang. They may be fine on an SHO with its additional insulation and if the SHO has exhaust mods, the additional noise may not be bad at all.
Quote from: derfdog15 on March 29, 2018, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: lamrith on March 28, 2018, 03:18:53 PM
Quote from: bamsho on March 28, 2018, 01:49:15 PM
The Firehawk Indy 500s I bought seem to work very well. I driven her in below freezing and surprised how well it drove. They hook well at the track.
Have you launched hard on cold days? This tire is on my short list, actually I have pretty much narrowed down to it when I need to replace tires.
But a large potion of the year here is in that 35-50*f range and raining, so hearing how summer tires are so bad in cold is giving me pause. My car is a year round DD, thankfully we do not really get snow here more than 1-2days a year.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 28, 2018, 09:20:17 AM
My Mustang had summer tires on it when I got it. I could downshift to 3rd at 70 MPH and spin them on cold dry pavement. 1st gear was useless - nothing but spinning. 2nd was hardly any better. I sold the damn things and put on some all-season BFG Comp 2 A/S. 100% improvement.
How is the noise with them? The Summer version is/was my #2 choice after the Firehawks, but I am concerned about the reports that they are noisey. Sounds like they hold well for you, how is cornering? I do not track or road course, but enjoy laying into a corner when possible. One cloverleaf I run routinely is long and smooth so I can really modulate speed and turn rate thru it. The tires I have now I can very much feel the sidewalls roll over when I push it.
It would be interesting to see SBS try the Comp-2 A/S and how they compare. Knowing him and Brad's tunes though, might not be any tires that will hold with the power being throw at them.
I ran the Comp 2 A/S and it honestly wasnt that noisy, but I also am used to loud from exhaust/tires from my mustang. I couldn't hear anything but exhaust once I did that on the SHO. I wasn't running Meth, so my AJP tune wasnt as hopped up as SBS, but I never had an issue with the power levelin the sig (ran 12.89 @ 107 on the Comp 2 A/S. I didn't even adjust tire pressure on them. I never got to see what it would truley run once I did the wastegate mod for the throttle control, and cranked it up a little past that 12.89, since I broke something at the track. It did run a 12.8x with the log showing that it dumped boost at about 3/4 track, so would have been a better run without that.
To be honest the SLOWEST I have ever run since tracking it was 12.6. So I don't have a good grasp on how the car would hook with a milder tune. I know it dead hooked at captial Raceway with the LMS tune.
Never ran Torries... I ran BCB at Sumerduck and it hooked well.. ran 8.1 in the 1/8.. but stopped using their tune when it ran lean and I had audible pinging. (Going 1.14 lambda when in the middle of the boost spike in 3rd will do that...)
Brads has the most upside if I can get it to hook... but I have been saying that for a year lol... based on the logs from the different tuners Brad ramps up the boost faster than the others... he is making some tweaks...
I wanna see what happens if we bring the ramp up of boost down a bit if that helps before dumping $1K in tires...
We will see...