Ecoboost Performance Forum

Parts:
Snow Meth Pump (http://www.snowperformance.net/300-PSI-UHO-Water-Methanol-Injection-Pump-p/40300.htm) - $144.99
Water Tank Bulkhead (http://www.snowperformance.net/Snow-Performance-Bulkhead-Reservoir-Fitting-p/40080.htm) - meh could be better $17.99
Boost Switch (http://www.snowperformance.net/product-p/81014.htm) - $34.99
1/4 Meth tubing (https://www.amazon.com/AEM-35-4500-20-Water-Methanol-Injection/dp/B007ZGF1Z6) - $16.94
Devil's Own Check Valve (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/push-to-connect/64-check-valve.html) - $36.70
Low Profile Nozzle Holder (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/push-to-connect/379-nozzle-holder.html) - $13.60 Doesn't work too shallow
90 (https://www.mcmaster.com/#5799t11/=1896b12) - $3.94
Nozzle 200ml a minute (https://www.mcmaster.com/#3178k85/=187528k) - $15.27 (I chose the Nickel Plated one)
Sealing washer (https://www.mcmaster.com/#94709a418/=1864zcu) - $8.21
4 way fuse holder (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J0XKPXO?psc=1) - $10.99
Relay (https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Weatherproof-Automotive-Relay-Socket/dp/B01CXA42XK/ref=sr_1_7?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1498250879&sr=1-7&keywords=Relay+and+Socket) - $22.99 (Many choices waterproof is overkill)
Oznium Indicator LED (https://www.oznium.com/led-indicator-light) - $4.99

Vac/Boost Port -
1/2x1/2x1/4 Tee (https://www.mcmaster.com/#5670k37/=194zcvu) - $12.81
90 Elbow (https://www.mcmaster.com/mv1498675267/#5670k19/=18a3q55) - $6.81
5 feet of 1/2" reinforced hose
3 inches of 1/4" reinforced hose

Total - $347.28
Its a little bit over budget but I got the parts that I wanted and will fit the best IMO.

Current as of 7/18/2017

What about the tank to hold the meth?

im doing a shared tank. I plan on running ww fluid so why 2. Even if  I want to go on the track or something, 50/50 wont hurt anything minus being a more expensive windsheild wash lol. Criticism accepted, I haven't installed it yet so I can make changes.

I was criticizing at all... just curious...

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 23, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
I was criticizing at all... just curious...

Please do if something doesn't make sense to you.

I don't see a benefit in my case other than maybe adding a tank for capacity. I will never run 100% meth. Ice cubes fit down the stock fill tube. I don't need it.

(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/methlight.jpg) Oznium

Quote from: polskifacet on June 23, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
im doing a shared tank. I plan on running ww fluid so why 2. Even if  I want to go on the track or something, 50/50 wont hurt anything minus being a more expensive windsheild wash lol. Criticism accepted, I haven't installed it yet so I can make changes.

Actually been thinking about doing something pretty similar to that. These IATs are killing me, especially with this summer heat.  Brad has the car running like a champ with this E20 tune.  But I can definitely feel the loss of spark and power with this extreme heat.  So back to your setup, I was thinking of tapping into the window wash tank as well.  For me, the purpose isn't to add more boost or supplement fuel, but to simply cool the charge air entering the intake. 

I think it ultimately depends on what you want out of your meth kit.  If you're wanting to add more power, I would look at a heavier methanol concentration for which you would also want a separate tank in my opinion.  But running washer fluid to cool the intake temps I think would work.  I too am looking for any further input on this.  Most meth setups I've read about on the forum seem more oriented to supplementing fuel and increasing boost. 

you still get 33% meth in ww fluid. I bet its ample to up spark and cool the charge. we will know in 2 weeks or so XD

Right on! Let us know how it goes.  I'm curious as to how that nozzle does for you.  As well as how much washer fluid you go through and how often lol.  I'm thinking that since it's a lower flowing nozzle, you should get longer use out of each washer fluid fill up. 

I will have 15 minutes of spray for 1 gallon. Its the same nozzle type that Alky kits uses.

That's not bad at all.  I didn't realize that was what came with the alky kits.  I thought they flowed more than 200 a minute. 

Quote from: SHO9987 on June 23, 2017, 07:05:38 PM
That's not bad at all.  I didn't realize that was what came with the alky kits.  I thought they flowed more than 200 a minute.

They gave SBS a huge one M15 im running M5. I mean it's the same nozzle not necessarily the same size.

darn low profile nozzle holder is too shallow. Looks like I have to use a regular high pressure elbow

Quote from: polskifacet on June 24, 2017, 12:18:46 AM
darn low profile nozzle holder is too shallow. Looks like I have to use a regular high pressure elbow

boo!

Question!  Why did you go with a boost switch versus the MAP splicing?

Quote from: TopherSho on June 24, 2017, 12:23:34 AM
Question!  Why did you go with a boost switch versus the MAP splicing?

Because I didn't want to use a expensive controller.

Quote from: polskifacet on June 24, 2017, 01:01:14 AM

Quote from: TopherSho on June 24, 2017, 12:23:34 AM
Question!  Why did you go with a boost switch versus the MAP splicing?

Because I didn't want to use a expensive controller.

rgr that.

these tiny turbos spool so fast that IMO you spend <1 second in anything between 5 and 10 psi. I only see those numbers sometimes in partial throttle. For a daily driver weekend warrior car, simple is better.

Got nice black zinc plated fittings from McMaster. NPTF , the F is for fuel which is a special designed thread that doesn't require pipe dope or Teflon but only the first time. If you unscrew them, the turn into regular npt and then have to use a sealant.

Pump in action. Its doing 500 ml a min at Current psi setting which I think is 150 psi. Thats 7.5 minutes for a gallon. I probably have to turn it down.
YouTube (https://youtu.be/_15mmrrKwQU)

holy crap that's a ton of water..

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 10:18:36 AM
holy crap that's a ton of water..

Yea so image how much juice SBS goes through with an m15 lol. I guess ill just test as is and AJP can tell me if its too much or not with the logs.

factory pump setting is between 265 and 280 psi. Asking snowperforamnce.net if I should turn it down.

Quote from: polskifacet on June 26, 2017, 01:00:13 PM
factory pump setting is between 265 and 280 psi. Asking snowperforamnce.net if I should turn it down.

It seemed excessive .. Maybe SBS can comment on his flow and pump rates?

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 01:06:10 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on June 26, 2017, 01:00:13 PM
factory pump setting is between 265 and 280 psi. Asking snowperforamnce.net if I should turn it down.

It seemed excessive .. Maybe SBS can comment on his flow and pump rates?

Snow got back to me already and they recommend leaving the factory setting with the nozzle size I have.

Quote from: polskifacet on June 26, 2017, 01:12:32 PM

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 01:06:10 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on June 26, 2017, 01:00:13 PM
factory pump setting is between 265 and 280 psi. Asking snowperforamnce.net if I should turn it down.

It seemed excessive .. Maybe SBS can comment on his flow and pump rates?

Snow got back to me already and they recommend leaving the factory setting with the nozzle size I have.

hmmm I DISTINCTLY remember one of our regulars with a ton more mods than you and I quote a flow rate of about 1 gallon per 15/minutes.

Lets wait on SBS but 20 -30 psi pressure differences only equal about 30 ml/min. I assume his pump is fairly high pressure and he is using a m15 nozzle which is 3 times more flow than my nozzle.

The Alky Control pump pushes over 250 psi... plus as previously stated I have the M15 nozzle... I don't have a meter inline to tell me what my rate of flow is but it varies with the boost...

I know for a fact that I can max out and then some the amount of fuel the  ECU will pull which is 29% of the total fuel injected at WOT. Then my AFRs drop like a rock...

But I adjust the kit so I don't have knock... so I monitor KR... once I adjust the controller so there is no knock I am done... how much meth I am pushing? Dunno... I am sure you could do the math based on the datalogs... but I don't care...

Last log with Brad showed me holding over 255kpa (22.7 psi) with perfect fuel pressure over 2200 psi and AFRs holding nicely.

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 26, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
The Alky Control pump pushes over 250 psi... plus as previously stated I have the M15 nozzle... I don't have a meter inline to tell me what my rate of flow is but it varies with the boost...

I know for a fact that I can max out and then some the amount of fuel the  ECU will pull which is 29% of the total fuel injected at WOT. Then my AFRs drop like a rock...

But I adjust the kit so I don't have knock... so I monitor KR... once I adjust the controller so there is no knock I am done... how much meth I am pushing? Dunno... I am sure you could do the math based on the datalogs... but I don't care...

Last log with Brad showed me holding over 255kpa (22.7 psi) with perfect fuel pressure over 2200 psi and AFRs holding nicely.

22+psi spike or constant? 

I have been thinking since the 15-psi build I was running was 'to hot' i might be able to go back to it with 30/70 meth.  That would be awesome since the 15[psi build was way more torquey and seat of the pants fun at low speeds.

Follow up edit question.  on 'Race days' are you dropping the 'on' requirement to a lower pressure/voltage?  I was wondering on track days if there would be any benefit to setting the meth switch to 4 or so pounds to start the spray when brake torquing.

Don't know your timeline but I will start installing more wiring today. Taking my time since I'm wait to get my x3 back from sct. ill post everything valuable here.

Quote from: polskifacet on June 26, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Don't know your timeline but I will start installing more wiring today. Taking my time since I'm wait to get my x3 back from sct. ill post everything valuable here.

Excellent .. good luck and take lots of pix.

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 04:36:29 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 26, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
The Alky Control pump pushes over 250 psi... plus as previously stated I have the M15 nozzle... I don't have a meter inline to tell me what my rate of flow is but it varies with the boost...

I know for a fact that I can max out and then some the amount of fuel the  ECU will pull which is 29% of the total fuel injected at WOT. Then my AFRs drop like a rock...

But I adjust the kit so I don't have knock... so I monitor KR... once I adjust the controller so there is no knock I am done... how much meth I am pushing? Dunno... I am sure you could do the math based on the datalogs... but I don't care...

Last log with Brad showed me holding over 255kpa (22.7 psi) with perfect fuel pressure over 2200 psi and AFRs holding nicely.

22+psi spike or constant? 

I have been thinking since the 15-psi build I was running was 'to hot' i might be able to go back to it with 30/70 meth.  That would be awesome since the 15[psi build was way more torquey and seat of the pants fun at low speeds.

We had an interesting effect when Brad modified one of the torque tables..... the ECU was setting dsd tip to 255kpa... in third gear I was holding 255kpa for over a second without any impact to fueling... it was not intended... but it goes to show you how stout the Alky system is...

Here is my take... LMS was one of the first groups to throw meth at these cars (at least I believe so) and they don't do anything that's half assed... if they are good with the pump and nozzle setup, then it's probably extremely sound..

With the 10+ meth revs I have played with, I can without a doubt say that with the Alky Control setup, you can hold over 2200psi at the rail with any load you throw at the motor with stock turbos. Assuming 100% meth of course. At this point I see no need for a bigger HPFP...

I am curious about a full tank of E85 with meth injection... if I can offset 30% of fuel now... no reason I couldn't run full E85... it would just be curious how much load I can push with it..

You could blow the motor sky high due to too much torque and still maintain 2200psi at the rail.

Snapshot of datalog attached...

Dark Blue = Fuel Rail Pressure
Light Blue = STFT
Grey = Manifold Absolute Pressure (boost)
Gold = AFR..

Meth = should have done it sooner...

Very nice.

Yeah,  full e85 + meth sounds risky.   I fear the connecting rods and block would not like that very much.   You'd have to treat the PTu as a throw-away on track days :P  .. even if you adhere to GM underrating their parts the the 6t80 (you could swap in i believe) would puke its guts out at 700+ ftlbs.

For our needs (tophersho and myself), the m5 nozzle is probably ample. With higher water % you need a smaller nozzle than 100% meth would need. I think I'm at a good starting point.

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 05:11:18 PM
Yeah,  full e85 + meth sounds risky.   I fear the connecting rods and block would not like that very much.   You'd have to treat the PTu as a throw-away on track days :P  .. even if you adhere to GM underrating their parts the the 6t80 (you could swap in i believe) would puke its guts out at 700+ ftlbs.

Eh, honestly, I just want 475/475 with consistent shifting and drive-ability.. I believe I am pushing more than that right now... but the point is... you can question the M15 with the Alky pump.. but the setup is very well thought out and tested.

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 26, 2017, 05:21:24 PM

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 05:11:18 PM
Yeah,  full e85 + meth sounds risky.   I fear the connecting rods and block would not like that very much.   You'd have to treat the PTu as a throw-away on track days :P  .. even if you adhere to GM underrating their parts the the 6t80 (you could swap in i believe) would puke its guts out at 700+ ftlbs.

Eh, honestly, I just want 475/475 with consistent shifting and drive-ability.. I believe I am pushing more than that right now... but the point is... you can question the M15 with the Alky pump.. but the setup is very well thought out and tested.

Na not questioning it per say,  just trying to gauge what flow is good or bad.   clearly I will need to test,  but that will be super easy at the track.  No re-tuning needed just need to keep turning it up in small increments until it no longer has any additional effects.

Your insight and beta testing btw is keenly appreciated!

(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/NozzleTest.png)
Found some real world tests of various nozzles.

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 05:24:38 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 26, 2017, 05:21:24 PM

Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2017, 05:11:18 PM
Yeah,  full e85 + meth sounds risky.   I fear the connecting rods and block would not like that very much.   You'd have to treat the PTu as a throw-away on track days :P  .. even if you adhere to GM underrating their parts the the 6t80 (you could swap in i believe) would puke its guts out at 700+ ftlbs.

Eh, honestly, I just want 475/475 with consistent shifting and drive-ability.. I believe I am pushing more than that right now... but the point is... you can question the M15 with the Alky pump.. but the setup is very well thought out and tested.

Na not questioning it per say,  just trying to gauge what flow is good or bad.   clearly I will need to test,  but that will be super easy at the track.  No re-tuning needed just need to keep turning it up in small increments until it no longer has any additional effects.

Your insight and beta testing btw is keenly appreciated!

I just want to make sure the record is straight here, while I appreciate the recognition, what I am doing is not beta testing. MANY others have gone down this path. Meth tunes have been out for a very long time. Torrie and LMS have both successfully tuned MANY MANY meth injected SHOs since probably 2010-2011....

Where in theory it could be beta testing would be with Brad tuning for meth in particular. While he has said there were a couple people he worked with before, I believe I am the first SHO he has had a chance to dig into. Since this is a play car for me, I am very liberal in the amount of testing I am willing to go through...

Hoping some of it will benefit others who choose to tune through him...

What do you guys think about safety mechanisms? What would be a more likely issue pump failure or nozzle clog. The safety boxes from snow etc are flow based. For $50 i can put a pressure sensor in that turns on an led.

I think a led isn't going to save you in the middle of a run if something fails...

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 26, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
I think a led isn't going to save you in the middle of a run if something fails...

ahh i wasnt sure how fast it goes boom when it does fail. not worth it then, ill probably ask AJP to make a very mild one for daily driving and then a full 50/50 meth tune for special occasions and I'll just clench during wot runs lmao

Verified the sealing washers work and updated parts list with 90 degree fitting that will work for the nozzle. Not including some misc parts like wire loom, wire sleeve, and terminals. I did find a stud insulator, otherwise the positive stud is exposed on the fuse holder.
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/studinsulator.jpg)

Toms Turbo Garage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZyf3jQ1Mxs#)
Good watch

Quote from: polskifacet on June 23, 2017, 05:53:30 PM
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/methlight.jpg) Oznium

NICE.

Anyone know a part number for that part where he has the LED installed?  I looked around and it seemed like it was one huge part that made up most of the console and was $200+?  Was thinking about getting a spare to drill out for switch install and have a stock one if I remove the kit/sell the car later.

Quote from: lamrith on June 27, 2017, 10:19:06 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on June 23, 2017, 05:53:30 PM
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/methlight.jpg) Oznium

NICE.

Anyone know a part number for that part where he has the LED installed?  I looked around and it seemed like it was one huge part that made up most of the console and was $200+?  Was thinking about getting a spare to drill out for switch install and have a stock one if I remove the kit/sell the car later.

I mounted my leds there... it's a separate piece... dunno the part number..

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 27, 2017, 11:15:42 PM
I mounted my leds there... it's a separate piece... dunno the part number..

Found it..  ouch.  just seems a bit spendy for what it is, even at Tasca's huge discount

lol just leave them there no one will notice them

Huge pain in the ass to get simple boost source. Need to change the whole lint that goes to the brake booster and then acquire a 1/2 to 1/4 reducing tee.

Quote from: polskifacet on June 28, 2017, 12:17:52 AM
Huge pain in the ass to get simple boost source. Need to change the whole lint that goes to the brake booster and then acquire a 1/2 to 1/4 reducing tee.

I know you were on a budget originally, but this boost reference adapter ($40) is nice, after some light modifications, and eliminates the need to splice into the existing system. However, I was unable to reinstall my beauty cover because the BRA stood too proud. Perhaps extending the standoffs would fix this, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

I left a review for the transverse application on the Stage 3 link below if you want to read about my experience. I also tested MAP pre and post install and saw no change in readings.

http://www.stage3motorsports.com/TS-0720-1005-2013-2016-F150-3-5L-EcoBoost-Turbosmart-MAP-Sensor-Boost-Reference-Adapter.html


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I used a 3/8" ID 1/4" NPT
1/4" NPTF Female x 3/8" Hose ID Barbed. Z

https://www.amazon.com/Dixon-BF32-Fitting-Nipple-Female/dp/B00835HRYG/ref=pd_sim_328_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00835HRYG&pd_rd_r=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E&pd_rd_w=qUhPN&pd_rd_wg=JQMo1&psc=1&refRID=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E (https://www.amazon.com/Dixon-BF32-Fitting-Nipple-Female/dp/B00835HRYG/ref=pd_sim_328_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00835HRYG&pd_rd_r=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E&pd_rd_w=qUhPN&pd_rd_wg=JQMo1&psc=1&refRID=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E)


(http://i.imgur.com/FoO9G1Th.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/htMYjpth.jpg)

I found this guy at McMaster.
1/2x1/2x1/4 (https://www.mcmaster.com/#5670k37/=189jcei)

I like stainless fittings. Don't think I have seen any brass in our engine bay stock. Could have also gotten a vac manifold, decided i dont need more than 1 port.

If you need a trigger regulator that ties into a boost reference I have an extra one if you think it would easier to use...

https://www.alkycontrol.com/product-page/2bar-map-with-regulator

Free.

Super generous man. I'm going to hold off until I get a bit deeper with install. If the boost switch works, then I wont mess with it.

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 28, 2017, 09:36:40 AM
If you need a trigger regulator that ties into a boost reference I have an extra one if you think it would easier to use...

https://www.alkycontrol.com/product-page/2bar-map-with-regulator

Free.

This is why I love this place, seriously. I've been on lots of forums and have yet to find a better group of guys.

I think this guy also used a Brass Tee as mentioned above. Z

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nspVJg1Q6o&t=114s#)

Quote from: glock-coma on June 28, 2017, 01:46:26 PM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on June 28, 2017, 09:36:40 AM
If you need a trigger regulator that ties into a boost reference I have an extra one if you think it would easier to use...

https://www.alkycontrol.com/product-page/2bar-map-with-regulator

Free.

This is why I love this place, seriously. I've been on lots of forums and have yet to find a better group of guys.

Eh, I think they are all buttholes honestly....

(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/tap1.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/tap2.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/tap3.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/tap4.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/tap5.jpg)

Boy do u love blue!  Looking great so far.

Quote from: SHOdded on June 29, 2017, 06:11:01 AM
Boy do u love blue!  Looking great so far.

haha left over from subwoofer install. It's pretty robust stuff, just in case the tube rubs somewhere once it settles.

Robust is lip-smackingly GOOD :thumb:

Quote from: ZSHO on June 28, 2017, 07:59:19 AM
I used a 3/8" ID 1/4" NPT
1/4" NPTF Female x 3/8" Hose ID Barbed. Z

https://www.amazon.com/Dixon-BF32-Fitting-Nipple-Female/dp/B00835HRYG/ref=pd_sim_328_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00835HRYG&pd_rd_r=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E&pd_rd_w=qUhPN&pd_rd_wg=JQMo1&psc=1&refRID=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E (https://www.amazon.com/Dixon-BF32-Fitting-Nipple-Female/dp/B00835HRYG/ref=pd_sim_328_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00835HRYG&pd_rd_r=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E&pd_rd_w=qUhPN&pd_rd_wg=JQMo1&psc=1&refRID=3ZMW403KR6TFNKPQ631E)


(http://i.imgur.com/FoO9G1Th.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/htMYjpth.jpg)

Those brass yellow fittings are so much more ugly :P.

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchResultsPageCmd?Ntt=blue+hose+barb+adapter&requestYear=&storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&year=&make=&model=&submodel=&engine=&Nrpp=&No=&persistYmm=false (http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchResultsPageCmd?Ntt=blue+hose+barb+adapter&requestYear=&storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&year=&make=&model=&submodel=&engine=&Nrpp=&No=&persistYmm=false)

Quote from: SHOdded on June 29, 2017, 12:31:12 PM
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchResultsPageCmd?Ntt=blue+hose+barb+adapter&requestYear=&storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&year=&make=&model=&submodel=&engine=&Nrpp=&No=&persistYmm=false (http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchResultsPageCmd?Ntt=blue+hose+barb+adapter&requestYear=&storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&year=&make=&model=&submodel=&engine=&Nrpp=&No=&persistYmm=false)

Lol do they have to be blue. I updated the parts list with stainless ones from McMaster. 1 piece T.

The snow pump I have is a monster. Its not even close to fitting like some of the pictures. I had to make an extra plate/braket and shave a bunch of stuff down. should be able to mount it in the morning after 3 hours of fabrication, home Depot and test fitting.

Quote from: polskifacet on July 01, 2017, 01:08:16 AM
The snow pump I have is a monster. Its not even close to fitting like some of the pictures. I had to make an extra plate/braket and shave a bunch of stuff down. should be able to mount it in the morning after 3 hours of fabrication, home Depot and test fitting.

Ace Hardware,moms & pops store's sometimes have a good selection of these hard to find fittings!! Best of luck on the install. Z

install complete! it ever so slightly clears the back of the fog light housing but I didn't want to start over or Swiss cheese the existing one. I could have moved it over a smidge but then it would kink the inlet of the pump.

Getting cramped in that engine bay!  Good thing your DIY your maintenance, LOL!

(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/meth10.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/meth11.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/meth12.jpg)
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(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/meth14.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/meth15.jpg)
(http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/SHO/Meth/meth16.jpg)
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Awesome work,. Any logged tests on runs yet ?

Quote from: TopherSho on July 04, 2017, 10:32:30 PM
Awesome work,. Any logged tests on runs yet ?

Not spraying. AJP is getting a fine tuned base tune first. I can say IAT2 drops 50 degrees minimum. I'm running less then 10% windshield washer fluid since I diluted what was in there with distilled water and I can see -15 stft. I'll be adding some more water so it doesn't mess with trims.

Adding SDS to the washer fluid I use. 30 - 33% methanol and no glycerol or garbage in it. Splash Original -20.

Quote from: polskifacet on July 05, 2017, 12:05:13 AM

Quote from: TopherSho on July 04, 2017, 10:32:30 PM
Awesome work,. Any logged tests on runs yet ?

Not spraying. AJP is getting a fine tuned base tune first. I can say IAT2 drops 50 degrees minimum. I'm running less then 10% windshield washer fluid since I diluted what was in there with distilled water and I can see -15 stft. I'll be adding some more water so it doesn't mess with trims.

So your running 95% water as a test?  And you still saw a -15 stft drop?

im not sure about the % but i know i had 1.8 liters of fluid when I started and then tested the system and added about 1/3 gallon of distilled water 1200 ml? so lets say it may have been 50/50? so 10-15% meth?

Interested to see what your fuel pressure and AFRs looks like with this setup...


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Quote from: StealBlueSho on July 05, 2017, 04:30:14 PM
Interested to see what your fuel pressure and AFRs looks like with this setup...


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Not sure about AFR but the FRP was bumping 2500 psi.

One more logging session before going to the meth head side lol. So far AJP is doing a fantastic job.

Figure I'll post my logs. This is the last revision before doing a meth tune. I am spraying windshield washer fluid in these.

So Brad wants more spray! lol car is hungry. I'm going to have to add a second nozzle which is probably half the size of the initial one. Would have had the parts today but waiting on Brads input on what size the second nozzle should be. I have enough knock suppression but the air charge is still a little warm. Ill try and see if i can mount it a bit further away from the throttle body so it has more dwell time before it gets into the combustion cycle.

Buy some 55 gal drums of the stuff.  Its about to get interesting.

Quote from: SHOdded on July 13, 2017, 02:44:44 PM
Buy some 55 gal drums of the stuff.  Its about to get interesting.

I do have a 55 gal drum lol and that was 1 issue. alcohol/meth floats. I had to get individual 1 gallon bottles and saw better results.

Now why does that bring up memories of Andy Griffith ...

Got some preliminary data on the latest tune from AJP. It's only glancing at torque so take with a grain of salt. Bumped up boost levels and still keeping FRP so I think the windshield washer fluid is doing just fine as extra fueling. There is some KR on the gear shift (when load goes up) though so I bet that is why he was saying I may need another nozzle for more knock suppression. Boy does it HAWL BAWLS though!

Niiice!  All tubing and seaks holding?

Quote from: SHOdded on July 14, 2017, 12:07:53 PM
Niiice!  All tubing and seaks holding?

Yes 0 issues.

Adding latest logs for those curious

Got the all clear from AJP!! Excited to have a good tuner and making good a$$ power with a little windshield washer fluid! AJP AJP AJP!!

I haven't been able to post from my phone it's broke...So this is regular old winshield fluid? I will say I think there is some inconsistency in the washer fluid but overall I'm actually impressed...It's just enough fluid to keep IAT's close to 100 which basically allows full commanded spark.. But doesn't allow for too much extra spark because you aren't getting the octane of the meth since there isn't that much of it.

The 3rd gear pull looked nice but the multigear pull had some Knock retard  which makes me think the meth wasn't there for whatever reason...I'm thinking the consistency of the washer fluid. But spark levels were over 20 at one point in the 3rd gear but a little lower than that in the multigear pull due to the KR....It may be a happy medium and let the knock sensors do the work and nearing 15 psi fuel pressure is no issue.

You are actually at 14 psi at about 2600 RPM and no fuel pressure issues...Not bad for a poor mans meth kit if you want to call it that.

Also note the fuel trims long and short while spraying meth....Car should feel and sound smooth with appropriate fuel delivery.

regular $2 a gallon -20 washer fluid and no fancy controllers. I'm ecstatic to be at this point after dealing with that other tuning solution for so long. AJP is the MAN lol

I'm going to replace the high side hose. My ID is very small on a 500 psi working pressure line which is probably overkill. Bought some AEM meth tubing so I hope that it will withstand the pressure @ w/e temperature is in the engine bay and the ID is probably 2x bigger.

Adding SDS for SouthWin LTD. Seems like the Oreily Auto Fluid I have been using and HomeDepot Krystal Kleer washer fluid is made by the same place. SDS says 30 to 40 % Meth.

Sounds like everything is coming together well man.  Glad to hear!  I'll be doing pretty much the same setup, I don't think I'll need the second nozzle though, primarily running the w/m to cool the IAT.  But after hearing how well your car is responding to the meth and tuning I think I'll end up asking AJP to optimize my tune as well!

Quote from: polskifacet on July 17, 2017, 11:12:36 AM
I'm going to replace the high side hose. My ID is very small on a 500 psi working pressure line which is probably overkill. Bought some AEM meth tubing so I hope that it will withstand the pressure @ w/e temperature is in the engine bay and the ID is probably 2x bigger.

Glad to hear it is working!!
Any chance you could provide an updated parts list once you have it more dialed in?

Did you go second nozzle?  Wondering why you would add that complexity and extra fittings to leak instead of just a bigger orifice nozzle?

Quote from: lamrith on July 17, 2017, 07:25:28 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on July 17, 2017, 11:12:36 AM
I'm going to replace the high side hose. My ID is very small on a 500 psi working pressure line which is probably overkill. Bought some AEM meth tubing so I hope that it will withstand the pressure @ w/e temperature is in the engine bay and the ID is probably 2x bigger.

Glad to hear it is working!!
Any chance you could provide an updated parts list once you have it more dialed in?

Did you go second nozzle?  Wondering why you would add that complexity and extra fittings to leak instead of just a bigger orifice nozzle?

I can update the list but I don't think it changed. Next nozzle is twice the gpm to its much too large. I haven't decided if I'm adding the second one yet.

Quote from: SHO9987 on July 17, 2017, 06:14:32 PM
Sounds like everything is coming together well man.  Glad to hear!  I'll be doing pretty much the same setup, I don't think I'll need the second nozzle though, primarily running the w/m to cool the IAT.  But after hearing how well your car is responding to the meth and tuning I think I'll end up asking AJP to optimize my tune as well!

Dwell time is important for cooling. If possible I would mount one further away from the throttle body to promote iat cooling.

I started to have traction issues when the temps went down to 65f. My 275 summer tires were letting loose and it was doing funky shifting etc until I turned traction control off. Pretty FREAKING WICKED to have this happen because of power on a dry road! I'm contemplating asking AJP to control the boost spikes more (getting up to 19 psi from what I saw).

More meth.  Bigger turbos.  LOL.

Quote from: SHOdded on July 18, 2017, 05:20:54 PM
More meth.  Bigger turbos.  LOL.

hah nah man thats it, just going to enjoy it now.

Ok so about tomorrow then ...

Quote from: SHOdded on July 18, 2017, 06:09:37 PM
Ok so about tomorrow then ...

mannnnn i was looking at those upgraded chra from ecopower but nahhhhhhhh

LOL

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Quote from: SHOdded on July 18, 2017, 06:09:37 PM
Ok so about tomorrow then ...

mannnnn i was looking at those upgraded chra from ecopower but nahhhhhhhh

Me too...


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Quote from: StealBlueSho on July 18, 2017, 09:08:05 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on July 18, 2017, 06:30:24 PM

Quote from: SHOdded on July 18, 2017, 06:09:37 PM
Ok so about tomorrow then ...

mannnnn i was looking at those upgraded chra from ecopower but nahhhhhhhh

Me too...


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Already can't keep the power down so why make it more of an issue

little proof of polskimeth + AJP meth tune

https://youtu.be/wIqBDxCZLhc (https://youtu.be/wIqBDxCZLhc)

Quote from: polskifacet on July 21, 2017, 12:26:36 AM
little proof of polskimeth + AJP meth tune

https://youtu.be/wIqBDxCZLhc (https://youtu.be/wIqBDxCZLhc)

Yeah come on stang, what chu want fool lol

Nice job looks like fun!

Also went ahead and purchased parts for second nozzle. Based on AJP's recommendation, it needs a little more juice, she's thirsty.

Living close to McMaster is awesome. Second nozzle ADDED!

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Only seeing 1-2 KR from a dig and its actually adding timing during longer gears. Also seeing boost spike to 20 PSI. If I force it to spray a little before doing a run, then I can get manifold temp to 10 -15 degrees above ambient. WICKED WICKED WICKED. Will post logs once it stops raining cats and dogs. Half of my spots are closed due to river flooding.

You have a check valve on this setup?


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Quote from: StealBlueSho on July 21, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
You have a check valve on this setup?


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Yes devils own check valve

Logs with second nozzle.

I'm able to get iat2 down to Ambient temp because ambient humidity went way down to 30%. I'm seeing 60+ degrees of cooling! AJP is giving a thumbs up for polskimeth. Fuel rail pressure is consistent 2300 psi+. AJP actually has to adjust shift pressure from 1 to 2nd because of the power it's making. I see KR spikes occasionally upto 3 degrees but 90% of the time its actually adding spark.

A beast, I tell ya, a BEAST!

It sounds like some "positive progress" in the works. Z  :thumb:

Getting scientific. Looks like splash from my 55 gallon drum is an even 40%.

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The Oreily's stuff ive been using is about 37%, I think this would be the same as what you find at HomeDepot based on them being from the same distributor.

Also must be laying down massive power. Im layin down rubber on the road when I wot from a dig. AJP adjusted a couple trans settings because it had trouble catching 2nd sometimes but after driving a bit more I'm confident its traction issues on 275 summer tires lol. I noticed that the steering wheel and car have to be lined up nice and straight and no bumps during 1st or it doesnt like it.

Let me know if you can get your rig airborne.  That's the real proof of power.

Testing the car is fun but gee wiz does it pelt your car with debris and rocks! Extremely annoyed since I got the bumper repainted recently.

Another 5.0 (https://youtu.be/wgPKNZoLtlA)
LS swapped 240sx (https://youtu.be/lZv_HXEbsVA)

Quote from: polskifacet on July 28, 2017, 09:51:17 AM
Testing the car is fun but gee wiz does it pelt your car with debris and rocks! Extremely annoyed since I got the bumper repainted recently.

Another 5.0 (https://youtu.be/wgPKNZoLtlA)
LS swapped 240sx (https://youtu.be/lZv_HXEbsVA)

Who got tagged on that 240 video?  I heard the sirens fire up in background.

some unrelated vehicle on a cross street

Quote from: polskifacet on July 21, 2017, 01:10:16 AM
Also went ahead and purchased parts for second nozzle. Based on AJP's recommendation, it needs a little more juice, she's thirsty.

On your 2 nozzle set up did you use the same size nozzles to equal a certain amount or did you use different sizes?  How much are you spraying?

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Quote from: BoostfoSHO on January 20, 2018, 05:40:52 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on July 21, 2017, 01:10:16 AM
Also went ahead and purchased parts for second nozzle. Based on AJP's recommendation, it needs a little more juice, she's thirsty.

On your 2 nozzle set up did you use the same size nozzles to equal a certain amount or did you use different sizes?  How much are you spraying?

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IIRC I'm using a 5 and 2 so 7 gph @100 psi. my pump is 300 psi so its closer to 11 @ 300 psi.

Quote from: polskifacet on January 20, 2018, 11:52:59 PM

Quote from: BoostfoSHO on January 20, 2018, 05:40:52 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on July 21, 2017, 01:10:16 AM
Also went ahead and purchased parts for second nozzle. Based on AJP's recommendation, it needs a little more juice, she's thirsty.

On your 2 nozzle set up did you use the same size nozzles to equal a certain amount or did you use different sizes?  How much are you spraying?

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IIRC I'm using a 5 and 2 so 7 gph @100 psi. my pump is 300 psi so its closer to 11 @ 300 psi.

I've been having doubts on what to run because I've noticed the nozzles say so many cc at certain psi but my pump is also 300psi. So is throwing me off big time

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I changed my system based on what the logs showed AJP. What fluid you run also plays a factor in size. My setup is for washer fluid which has a 30-40 % meth content

Ah ok m planning on running 100%  I haven't yet installed it so there's no logs or anything to work with yet I just want to get everything ready for when I finally install it. I'll have to talk to Brad to see what he recommend me starting with for my meth tune. I already have his 91oct tune.

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Quote from: BoostfoSHO on January 21, 2018, 12:14:20 PM
Ah ok m planning on running 100%  I haven't yet installed it so there's no logs or anything to work with yet I just want to get everything ready for when I finally install it. I'll have to talk to Brad to see what he recommend me starting with for my meth tune. I already have his 91oct tune.

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IIRC pure meth  needs larger nozzles

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Quote from: polskifacet on January 21, 2018, 12:31:11 PM

Quote from: BoostfoSHO on January 21, 2018, 12:14:20 PM
Ah ok m planning on running 100%  I haven't yet installed it so there's no logs or anything to work with yet I just want to get everything ready for when I finally install it. I'll have to talk to Brad to see what he recommend me starting with for my meth tune. I already have his 91oct tune.

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IIRC pure meth  needs larger nozzles

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Alright thank you I guess I have more research to do lol I have have boost juice but I'm leaving towards the 100% more

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Quote from: polskifacet on June 23, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
Parts:
Snow Meth Pump (http://www.snowperformance.net/300-PSI-UHO-Water-Methanol-Injection-Pump-p/40300.htm) - $144.99
Water Tank Bulkhead (http://www.snowperformance.net/Snow-Performance-Bulkhead-Reservoir-Fitting-p/40080.htm) - meh could be better $17.99
Boost Switch (http://www.snowperformance.net/product-p/81014.htm) - $34.99
1/4 Meth tubing (https://www.amazon.com/AEM-35-4500-20-Water-Methanol-Injection/dp/B007ZGF1Z6) - $16.94
Devil's Own Check Valve (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/push-to-connect/64-check-valve.html) - $36.70
Low Profile Nozzle Holder (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/push-to-connect/379-nozzle-holder.html) - $13.60 Doesn't work too shallow
90 (https://www.mcmaster.com/#5799t11/=1896b12) - $3.94
Nozzle 200ml a minute (https://www.mcmaster.com/#3178k85/=187528k) - $15.27 (I chose the Nickel Plated one)
Sealing washer (https://www.mcmaster.com/#94709a418/=1864zcu) - $8.21
4 way fuse holder (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J0XKPXO?psc=1) - $10.99
Relay (https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Weatherproof-Automotive-Relay-Socket/dp/B01CXA42XK/ref=sr_1_7?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1498250879&sr=1-7&keywords=Relay+and+Socket) - $22.99 (Many choices waterproof is overkill)
Oznium Indicator LED (https://www.oznium.com/led-indicator-light) - $4.99

Vac/Boost Port -
1/2x1/2x1/4 Tee (https://www.mcmaster.com/#5670k37/=194zcvu) - $12.81
90 Elbow (https://www.mcmaster.com/mv1498675267/#5670k19/=18a3q55) - $6.81
5 feet of 1/2" reinforced hose
3 inches of 1/4" reinforced hose

Total - $347.28
Its a little bit over budget but I got the parts that I wanted and will fit the best IMO.

Current as of 7/18/2017

HEY POL!  How has that Check valve been ... I need one but dont want to go powered.

works

Quote from: polskifacet on February 09, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
works

x2

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works

That sounds.... ominous.  You have issues, things it is lacking or things you would do differently now that you have it running?

Quote from: polskifacet on February 09, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
works

This one ?  https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Own-Check-Methanol-Injection/dp/B071FJDPFB (https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Own-Check-Methanol-Injection/dp/B071FJDPFB) ?

thanks in advance..

Quote from: TopherSho on February 09, 2018, 06:43:05 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on February 09, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
works

This one ?  https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Own-Check-Methanol-Injection/dp/B071FJDPFB (https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Own-Check-Methanol-Injection/dp/B071FJDPFB) ?

thanks in advance..

Yup that's the one

Quote from: lamrith on February 09, 2018, 06:18:04 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on February 09, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
works

That sounds.... ominous.  You have issues, things it is lacking or things you would do differently now that you have it running?

I actually felt like the devils own one way check valve worked better and easier than the snow performance solenoid.  I have used both and like the simplicity and functionality of the one way check valve.

Quote from: SHO9987 on February 11, 2018, 10:16:17 PM

Quote from: lamrith on February 09, 2018, 06:18:04 PM

Quote from: polskifacet on February 09, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
works

That sounds.... ominous.  You have issues, things it is lacking or things you would do differently now that you have it running?

I actually felt like the devils own one way check valve worked better and easier than the snow performance solenoid.  I have used both and like the simplicity and functionality of the one way check valve.

Yeah the 16lb crack pressure is the key i think.  some of the others were sub 7 pounds and i can see -11 pounds on the gauge when not boosting.

A shameless plug for Julio's Alky Meth Kit... works great, no problems, just works ;-)


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Quote from: stealbluesho on February 11, 2018, 11:14:22 PM
A shameless plug for Julio's Alky Meth Kit... works great, no problems, just works ;-)


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Ditto. Plus questions/customer service is a quick phone call away.

My kit is also very simple so there is nothing I would change but since I'm running washer fluid and not 100% meth my requirements are different. I don't want more than 50% meth for safety reasons. The quick connects aren't the most robust choice, I think Alky uses all brass AN fittings which I would opt for in a 100% meth scenario. I also don't have a crazy balls to the wall tune so I'm not worried about having some kind of safety if the meth system fails. Sharing the tank is an excellent choice IMO, I can throw ice cubes in there before a race and the run from the pump is like 2 ft so the lines don't see heat soak.

The only issue is using the same nozzles as the alky kit in plastic piping. Overtime they start moving around even though the nozzle is 100% tight in the elbow. I'll have to add a washer.