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Title: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 25, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
So looking for some guidance in where to look. Was driving home when the car all of a sudden went into limp mode and the check engine light started to flash. Now from previous experience this was a tell tale sign of a sever or multiple misfire. I was about 5 miles from home and decided to take it slow... coming to a stop and it would almost feel as if the car was about to die. So decided to have my buddy pick me up with his trailer and trail it the rest of the way home. Get home and check for codes and nothing. I mean nothing!  Tried to restart the car and nothing. Acted as if the battery was dead and then when it did crank it just kept cranking and then I smelled fuel. So for now I pulled the negative terminal off to see if the problem reoccurs and then I'll go from there and hopefully a code pops up. Just seeing if anyone's experienced this or thoughts on the issue.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on September 25, 2019, 09:09:10 PM
Fuel injector(s) leaking enough to get into the cats.  Mode $06 data helps pinpoint when no codes are yet set.
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 25, 2019, 10:29:53 PM
Here's the codes
P0306
P0304
P0300
P00c6
P0087

Now the first three codes I had already assumed. The second two after researching has yet to find something to pinpoint to although a majority seem to think the 4th code is indicative of an injector. Car is bone stock other than drop in and was planning to change plugs next week. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on September 26, 2019, 02:51:04 AM
You need to plan on changing injectors instead LOL.  But the codes seem to at least point to the LPFP and/or the FPCM instead of the injectors.  Yours is ripe to be the FPCM since there has been a recall on gen 5 modules, you would have to check owner.ford.com to see if your SHO is on the list.  Fairly inexpensive and easy to replace yourself in any case.

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4974 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4974)
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6600 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6600)

But the LPFP could also be suspect as noted in the thread above ^^^ and there was a recall for that as well on gen 5 SHOs.
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3836.msg84448.html#msg84448 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3836.msg84448.html#msg84448)
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: ZSHO on September 26, 2019, 06:43:24 AM
Here's the most recent thread with a similar situation related to code P0087. FPCM changed under warranty  ? How many miles on your SHO?
Best of luck Brother. Z

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10045.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10045.0.html)

[RECALL BELOW]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiaWxocmdhUnEteTdQbmdTbDJzU3BKLXpFZzQw/view?usp=drivesdk (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiaWxocmdhUnEteTdQbmdTbDJzU3BKLXpFZzQw/view?usp=drivesdk)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiWHR0eVhmb3RXNTF1RzM3ZDlCcjN2bEJsMGJN/view?usp=drivesdk (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiWHR0eVhmb3RXNTF1RzM3ZDlCcjN2bEJsMGJN/view?usp=drivesdk)
Title: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 26, 2019, 08:40:26 AM
I've got about 65k on the odo. I do remember bringing in the car for a battery change and they did the recall. I'll have to double check that though.

After looking with my vin the only thing I have left
Is that extended warranty for the APIM

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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on September 26, 2019, 08:55:43 AM
if its not the FPCM, then we are down to the more-work type of stuff :(
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 26, 2019, 10:19:09 AM
That's what I'm leaning more towards. I'm gonna pull the 3 and 6 plug here shortly to see if they are soaked in fuel which would lead me to believe injectors. Will report back after for future readings of other effected owners.


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on September 26, 2019, 10:28:24 AM
:thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 26, 2019, 10:46:34 AM
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So pulled the plug out and sure enough it was smelling like fuel. Smelled down into the plug hole as well and a strong odor of fuel. Looks like I'll need to replace the fuel injectors on both cylinders.


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: StinkinLinkin13 on September 26, 2019, 10:51:10 AM
Fuel injector stuck open... Causes fuel rail pressure drop. Went through the same thing earlier this year. Pull the plugs and you will hear and see the fuel injection spraying into the cylinder even with just ignition on. Avoid cranking to prevent hydrolocking... When the injector is stuck open in constantly sprays with key on until the fuel pressure is lost. Even after keyd off it will continue to dump fuel into the cylinder.

Edit for post at same time... Replace them all while your there. Pay a little more now. Avoid headache later.
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 26, 2019, 11:08:37 AM
@SL13, thanks for the reply!  And for Z and Shodded as well.

That was more on the lines I was thinking. I was due to change my plugs out next week and my oil as well and now it looks like I'll be doing more than that. SMH.

So I'll be replacing all 6 at the same time. Anything I need to watch out for or tips?  I've got the FSM from my 2010 and would assume that it's pretty much the same but if you know the torque values of the manifold bolts that would be great. Also, are they reusable or TTY?  I'm more than likely going to document through the entirety to have for future reference for anyone.

Side note, it's funny how when you want to do one thing another thing, like this, comes up. I just got my wheels back from powder coating and was going to finish putting them together when I got home until this happened. So now they are in the back burner. This money was supposed to go for my suspension and tires but not anymore

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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on September 26, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Deebeaux had posted a series of videos when he did his injectors, you will find them very helpful. 
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6357 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6357)
Youtube playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2X2Yq_kpqily-1H_6GEbYKocqJFSEagK (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2X2Yq_kpqily-1H_6GEbYKocqJFSEagK)

I had also posted the factory procedure somewhere but it is better to access Nick's online link here
http://www.nicksmustangranch.com/Service_Manuals/2014/2014_Taurus/Service%20Manual.htm (http://www.nicksmustangranch.com/Service_Manuals/2014/2014_Taurus/Service%20Manual.htm)
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: Nova on September 26, 2019, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: wraitherx on September 26, 2019, 11:08:37 AM
@SL13, thanks for the reply!  And for Z and Shodded as well.

That was more on the lines I was thinking. I was due to change my plugs out next week and my oil as well and now it looks like I'll be doing more than that. SMH.

So I'll be replacing all 6 at the same time. Anything I need to watch out for or tips?  I've got the FSM from my 2010 and would assume that it's pretty much the same but if you know the torque values of the manifold bolts that would be great. Also, are they reusable or TTY?  I'm more than likely going to document through the entirety to have for future reference for anyone.

Side note, it's funny how when you want to do one thing another thing, like this, comes up. I just got my wheels back from powder coating and was going to finish putting them together when I got home until this happened. So now they are in the back burner. This money was supposed to go for my suspension and tires but not anymore

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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: StinkinLinkin13 on September 27, 2019, 12:27:38 AM
No problem. I know that feeling. When my injector crapped out I literally was doing my second pull with my brand new HPFP on a freshly installed E30 tune. My only advice is be patient take your time and install quality oem parts. You will need new fuel rail bolts, injector retainers/clips, small wire ties etc... I believe they come in a kit with o-rings. Also the intake manifold gasket kit. Those coolant seals were a PIA to remove from the manifold in my case. They just kept tearing in pieces. (I believe one coolant seal was sold separately from the kit. Verify.) Separating the upper manifold from the head was fun too. Just stuck by the seals... It seemed like I missed a bolt there for a while but it was just the seals acting like a strong adhesive. Good luck!
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on September 27, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
MOTORCRAFT CM5248 {BA5Z9F593B, CM5204}
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,fuel+&+air,fuel+injector,6224 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,fuel+&+air,fuel+injector,6224)

MOTORCRAFT CM5268 {CM5168, CM5203} Info
Upper and Lower; w/ O-Rings, Retainers, Bolts, Washers And Tie Straps
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,fuel+&+air,fuel+injector+seal+/+o-ring,13679 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,fuel+&+air,fuel+injector+seal+/+o-ring,13679)

MOTORCRAFT CM5170 {AA5Z9C995A}
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,fuel+&+air,fuel+injector+clip,11217 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,fuel+&+air,fuel+injector+clip,11217)

BA5Z-9229-B
Kit - "O" Ring
Kit To Repair One Fuel Rail, Also Includes O Rings, Retainers, Bolts, Washers And Tie Straps
Production Date:   05/2010-
Callout Name:   9229
$128.45 $77.76
https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/standard+motor+products,SK159,fuel+injector+seal+/+o-ring,13679 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/standard+motor+products,SK159,fuel+injector+seal+/+o-ring,13679)
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MAHLE MS19924 Set; Molded Rubber
Includes Thermostat Seal, Thermostat Housing Gasket, Throttle Body Gasket, Water Crossover Gaskets
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,engine,intake+manifold+gasket+/+set,5424 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3300371,engine,intake+manifold+gasket+/+set,5424)
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 27, 2019, 11:01:45 AM
Thanks shodded!  I actually placed an order for that exact list yesterday. Should be here Tuesday.


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on September 27, 2019, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: Nova on September 26, 2019, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: wraitherx on September 26, 2019, 11:08:37 AM


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Vossen Forged Series VF-051. 20x9 +35 and 20x10+32 in the rear.


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: ZSHO on September 27, 2019, 03:34:48 PM
FWIW www.rockauto.com (http://www.rockauto.com) Discount code below. Gotta love the magnets included with every order. Z  :)

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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: TopherSho on September 27, 2019, 10:57:02 PM
Might be worth it to bore scope it.. Check for bad scoring/washing.. Compression test etc..

My bad injector punched my 2010 SHO #2 cylinder..
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on October 10, 2019, 11:17:14 AM
So just a quick update. Before ordering the parts I wanted to verify that it was indeed the injectors stuck open and took my borescope to it. What I saw was fuel steadily dumping into the cylinder with the ignition in accessory mode. After that I ordered the parts. In between then my daughter was born and have been playing catch up. lol
Got the manifold off and replaced all the plugs and injectors. COP boots came out looking great as I was worried about those possibly tearing from what I've read. I will say this TL13 was right about the manifold being stuck on by the coolant passage gaskets that was a pain as was trying to remove those gaskets but not nearly as much as trying to remove those spring clips and the coolant hoses were stuck on just as tight as the manifold gaskets. Other than those things I was surprised that everything could be taken apart with a 1/4" if you wanted to and that everything was pretty much the same torque (89 in/lb). Previous cars I've worked on were a lot tighter. All in all though not a bad experience. Just have to finishing putting all the intake tubes back on, suck the cac out, drain and fill the coolant, and drain and fill the oil.


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on October 10, 2019, 02:44:45 PM
First off, CONGRATULATIONS on the new head of household :D

Second, glad you got the parts swapped, albeit the "minor" snafus in the process :P  Best of luck with the restart!
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on October 11, 2019, 01:14:12 PM
Got everything buttoned up and it dawned on me that with all the fuel that was being dumped into the cylinders that the outer side of the cylinder walls was probably dry so I pulled the plugs on 3&6 and suctioned some oil and distributed it to those areas so that they were lubricated before start up. Let it sit over night to work it's way in.
So went to go start the car up and was freaking out because it wouldn't start... then I realized, good was open so switch was disengaged. Lol. Took a second to start up as I'm assuming the fuel lines had to rebuild pressure but when it started up it started up great. Tons of white smoke started coming out and after a couple of minutes it all cleared up. Let it run for about 30 minutes and checked everything and then for a quick run and feels as good as new! 
Thanks for all the help fellas!!


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on October 11, 2019, 02:44:36 PM
We were watching from our loungechairs LOL.  :beer: :beer2:
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: StinkinLinkin13 on October 11, 2019, 05:27:04 PM
Awesome. Congratulations and great job! 🍻
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: ZSHO on October 16, 2019, 05:35:29 PM
Congrats on the newest addition to the Family Brother and best of health and happiness. Z  :)  Btw Glad to see the SHO is fixed.
Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on October 17, 2019, 11:34:58 AM
Thanks again fellas!  Everything has been smooth sailing, knock on wood!  Downloaded a couple of things and got one of those OBD dongles so I can monitor things just to see what the car is doing. Must say, coming from the fox body and new edge world, having gauges on your phone or tablet vs gauges all over your dash is a big step forward and so aesthetically pleasing. Lol. I'll just lower her and be done with it since I'm in search for my next "fun car".


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Title: Re: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: SHOdded on October 17, 2019, 12:05:40 PM
Mazda Miata with a 30" Lift Kit.
Title: Check engine flashing, fuel smell, limp mode, and now no start
Post by: wraitherx on October 17, 2019, 06:12:08 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on October 17, 2019, 12:05:40 PM
Mazda Miata with a 30" Lift Kit.
How'd you know. Lmfao. I miss my cobra so I'm looking at a 13/14 GT500 or GT350


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