Anyone do a wrap and see any drop in IAT temps? or does heat soak still set in regardless .. or would it be better to port the airbox and route intake tubing from a better source?
I think the OEM gets the fresh air from good location...The air is drawn from outside via the inlet near the grille
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
I think the OEM gets the fresh air from good location...The air is drawn from outside via the inlet near the grille
AJP your alive!! hope all is well..
Hey would you be offended if i had a friend print a chrome decal titled "TUNED BY AJPTurbo" ?
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
I think the OEM gets the fresh air from good location...The air is drawn from outside via the inlet near the grille
You saw some logs from when my scoop was screwed up vs when it got replaced. That inlet makes a huge difference.
Quote from: FearlessAZ on June 15, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
I think the OEM gets the fresh air from good location...The air is drawn from outside via the inlet near the grille
You saw some logs from when my scoop was screwed up vs when it got replaced. That inlet makes a huge difference.
Are you saying the side port you installed yielded better than OEM results? I removed the from weather strip in front of the snorkel, but left the other for better idle breathing. but was thinking like you of maybe putting a port on the right side (facing the front of the car) and then stuffing that tube down behind the lights into that cranny may be better.
Quote from: TopherSho on June 15, 2017, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
I think the OEM gets the fresh air from good location...The air is drawn from outside via the inlet near the grille
AJP your alive!! hope all is well..
Hey would you be offended if i had a friend print a chrome decal titled "TUNED BY AJPTurbo" ?
No I wouldn't be offended lol...One day I'd like to get some stickers made, I have a couple ideas in my head..Need to find a local artist...I know how to draw stick figures
Quote from: TopherSho on June 15, 2017, 02:25:44 PM
Quote from: FearlessAZ on June 15, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
I think the OEM gets the fresh air from good location...The air is drawn from outside via the inlet near the grille
You saw some logs from when my scoop was screwed up vs when it got replaced. That inlet makes a huge difference.
Are you saying the side port you installed yielded better than OEM results? I removed the from weather strip in front of the snorkel, but left the other for better idle breathing. but was thinking like you of maybe putting a port on the right side (facing the front of the car) and then stuffing that tube down behind the lights into that cranny may be better.
Negative. When I had that really warped intake inlet scoop from mdesign. IAT was pretty high. Got it replaced from MDesign and it dropped the temps considerably.
Because the scoop was cracked and warped, it wasn't pulling in all the fresh air. Probably was even letting some of it out while pulling in hot engine air.
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 02:29:59 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 15, 2017, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
I think the OEM gets the fresh air from good location...The air is drawn from outside via the inlet near the grille
AJP your alive!! hope all is well..
Hey would you be offended if i had a friend print a chrome decal titled "TUNED BY AJPTurbo" ?
No I wouldn't be offended lol...One day I'd like to get some stickers made, I have a couple ideas in my head..Need to find a local artist...I know how to draw stick figures
LOL!
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 15, 2017, 02:29:59 PM
No I wouldn't be offended lol...One day I'd like to get some stickers made, I have a couple ideas in my head..Need to find a local artist...I know how to draw stick figures
Consider me the first in line for an AJP sticker, if TopherSHO is having a friend make him one.
So about heat shielding the stock intake... Was there ever any feedback on this? From reading around on here it seems like the stock airbox flows plenty of air. Enough that people don't typically see gains when swapping to aftermarket intakes. Would adding some sort of heat shielding to the outside of the airbox and tubing help? Maybe use Mylar or something similar?
Quote from: Agentlongwood on August 04, 2017, 08:37:03 PM
So about heat shielding the stock intake... Was there ever any feedback on this? From reading around on here it seems like the stock airbox flows plenty of air. Enough that people don't typically see gains when swapping to aftermarket intakes. Would adding some sort of heat shielding to the outside of the airbox and tubing help? Maybe use Mylar or something similar?
I'd say not much to do...You could wrap the intake and exhaust all day...But the speed the turbos have to spin to compress the air to give 15 psi and 40lbs per minute of air will make all other efforts futile because the intercooler sucks
Enter Meth injection and Ethanol blends....The Meth gives the cooling and octane and the Ethanol gives more octane.
Heat in and of itself is not bad. But it requires lower spark advance to avoid pre-ignition. It's the low spark that kills power.....Meth injection lowers intake air temps which will give spark back and gives more octane which allows you to disregard the heat and still run more advance....Ethanol blends give more octane which allows you to disregard the heat and run more spark advance which gives power back.
Ah ok, so regardless of air temp at the airbox, the turbos themselves would heat the intake air before it gets to the motor. I do see a lot of posts where people look for ways to lower intake air temp... does it really not make much difference? Either way I really appreciate the info, and having a community where folks answer questions with legit info and data. This forum is so much better than the Lexus one I came from with my previous car.
Plus a "wrapped" engine doesnt look pretty.......
What about WWF sprayed on the crappy IC during WOT? Wont that help lower IAT as well?
It might a bit but you'd not be able to track it.
Extend the intake to the drl/fog light area. bamsho has had success with that.
Quote from: TopherSho on June 14, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
Anyone do a wrap and see any drop in IAT temps? or does heat soak still set in regardless .. or would it be better to port the airbox and route intake tubing from a better source?
So, I know everyone keeps saying "No, not worth it" and "Don't bother" but Ford seems to think it works when it counts.
What types of IAT's are you guys seeing? I'm seeing 3-5 degrees over ambient temp with a K&N FIPK style intake with a green filter. This was today in 94 degree Atlanta weather with major humidity. Granted the intake is powdercoated wrinkle black with heat resistant tape on the filter side of the heat shield. The only time my IAT's rise considerably is when idling.I saw 124* at idle. As soon as I'm back on the throttle for roughly an 1/8th of a mile the IAT's settle back to the 3-5 degrees over ambient temp I mentioned earlier. I can see how on the dyno, a typical cold air intake for these cars would yield less than favorable results. In the real world I don't see them to be a problem. My data is from the Torque app with a bluetooth OBD2 reader. I never logged my stock intake to compare; but what are you folks seeing with stock intakes? IAT wise? At idle and while cruising.
always about 10f above ambient here in Oregon, on colder days that drops. but right now i'm 20f above ambient for 130f driving down the street at 40mph.
At the PIR dragstrip i see 160-170f AIT's all day long.. and it MURDERs my 0-60 and 60 foots thus kills my 1/4 mile
At woodburn where lineups are quicker i still see 140-150f temps at start..
Lamrith pointed out that with this DI engine the throttle is closed at idle or near idle. So any time you stop even if you wrap, the air does not flow through the intact all that much at all and it will still climb in temps, just slower. So for a drag strip and or x-cross your first run might be good, but going back to the line up you will see higher and higher idle temps waiting to launch until it is like you did not wrap at all.
For street driving it might help a bit.. but street racing is not my thing so it is no use to me..
I see... Ever thought about icing your intake pipe between runs at the track?
Quote from: boosted4SHO on August 05, 2017, 10:28:32 PM
I see... Ever thought about icing your intake pipe between runs at the track?
Yup.. if you wait 30 minutes with the ice i dropped from 150-120.. but by the time i lined back up i was back at 140. and i hate waiting between runs that long. for 30$ i want to run 20+ times.
in the end i went meth.. and eventually i will go e30 AFTER the meth is dialed in /looks at AJP/ .. :D
pretty much you'd need a chiller killer for 900$ to get the results that would be ideal (sub 100 IAT)
Quote from: boosted4SHO on August 05, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
What types of IAT's are you guys seeing? I'm seeing 3-5 degrees over ambient temp with a K&N FIPK style intake with a green filter. This was today in 94 degree Atlanta weather with major humidity. Granted the intake is powdercoated wrinkle black with heat resistant tape on the filter side of the heat shield. The only time my IAT's rise considerably is when idling.I saw 124* at idle. As soon as I'm back on the throttle for roughly an 1/8th of a mile the IAT's settle back to the 3-5 degrees over ambient temp I mentioned earlier. I can see how on the dyno, a typical cold air intake for these cars would yield less than favorable results. In the real world I don't see them to be a problem. My data is from the Torque app with a bluetooth OBD2 reader. I never logged my stock intake to compare; but what are you folks seeing with stock intakes? IAT wise? At idle and while cruising.
I would say you are NOT logging IAT2
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 06, 2017, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: boosted4SHO on August 05, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
What types of IAT's are you guys seeing? I'm seeing 3-5 degrees over ambient temp with a K&N FIPK style intake with a green filter. This was today in 94 degree Atlanta weather with major humidity. Granted the intake is powdercoated wrinkle black with heat resistant tape on the filter side of the heat shield. The only time my IAT's rise considerably is when idling.I saw 124* at idle. As soon as I'm back on the throttle for roughly an 1/8th of a mile the IAT's settle back to the 3-5 degrees over ambient temp I mentioned earlier. I can see how on the dyno, a typical cold air intake for these cars would yield less than favorable results. In the real world I don't see them to be a problem. My data is from the Torque app with a bluetooth OBD2 reader. I never logged my stock intake to compare; but what are you folks seeing with stock intakes? IAT wise? At idle and while cruising.
I would say you are NOT logging IAT2
pssst ... AJP ... your mailbox ... :D
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 06, 2017, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: boosted4SHO on August 05, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
What types of IAT's are you guys seeing? I'm seeing 3-5 degrees over ambient temp with a K&N FIPK style intake with a green filter. This was today in 94 degree Atlanta weather with major humidity. Granted the intake is powdercoated wrinkle black with heat resistant tape on the filter side of the heat shield. The only time my IAT's rise considerably is when idling.I saw 124* at idle. As soon as I'm back on the throttle for roughly an 1/8th of a mile the IAT's settle back to the 3-5 degrees over ambient temp I mentioned earlier. I can see how on the dyno, a typical cold air intake for these cars would yield less than favorable results. In the real world I don't see them to be a problem. My data is from the Torque app with a bluetooth OBD2 reader. I never logged my stock intake to compare; but what are you folks seeing with stock intakes? IAT wise? At idle and while cruising.
I would say you are NOT logging IAT2
You are correct. I will start logging both. IAT1 is near the intake filter and IAT2 is at the charge air cooler? Or vice versa?
Edit: while searching the forum, I found it. IAT1 is directly after the intake air filter and IAT2 is part of the MAP sensor on top of the intake manifold. This forum is a wealth of knowledge!
At the track in this hot summer weather, I see IAT2 temps in the 150-180 range. As mentioned, you can do all you can to cool things down while in the pit area but at my track, it is common to wait in the staging lines for 20 minutes or so - sometimes longer. Temps just keep rising. I don't think the intercooler on my Conti is as efficient as on my old MKS. I don't recall seeing IAT2 temps as high with it. I know the lower grill area on the Conti is much smaller than the MKS.
I would kill for a cool day and having the track all to myself!
Quote from: boosted4SHO on August 06, 2017, 07:06:08 AM
Quote from: AJP turbo on August 06, 2017, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: boosted4SHO on August 05, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
What types of IAT's are you guys seeing? I'm seeing 3-5 degrees over ambient temp with a K&N FIPK style intake with a green filter. This was today in 94 degree Atlanta weather with major humidity. Granted the intake is powdercoated wrinkle black with heat resistant tape on the filter side of the heat shield. The only time my IAT's rise considerably is when idling.I saw 124* at idle. As soon as I'm back on the throttle for roughly an 1/8th of a mile the IAT's settle back to the 3-5 degrees over ambient temp I mentioned earlier. I can see how on the dyno, a typical cold air intake for these cars would yield less than favorable results. In the real world I don't see them to be a problem. My data is from the Torque app with a bluetooth OBD2 reader. I never logged my stock intake to compare; but what are you folks seeing with stock intakes? IAT wise? At idle and while cruising.
I would say you are NOT logging IAT2
You are correct. I will start logging both. IAT1 is near the intake filter and IAT2 is at the charge air cooler? Or vice versa?
Edit: while searching the forum, I found it. IAT1 is directly after the intake air filter and IAT2 is part of the MAP sensor on top of the intake manifold. This forum is a wealth of knowledge!
Yeah I'd say IAT is the airbox and CAC temp is the TIP sensor between the throttle body and intercooler and IAT2 is the MAP sensor on the manifold.
OK:
I was toying with the idea of a Water to Air Intercooler in leu of the CAI,
and not sure that the Temp Drop would be of benefit (versus the weight)..
SO i found this, Very Similar to the DIM's of the Mdesign... Installation and
use would be for the Track Only. Removable and Water Ice Lines with Quick Disconnects
http://www.siliconeintakes.com/front-mount-intercooler/long-flow-style-water-to-air-intercooler-p-219.html (http://www.siliconeintakes.com/front-mount-intercooler/long-flow-style-water-to-air-intercooler-p-219.html)
If not in the Air inlet, Maybe jammed in the Intercooler outlet and back into the intake...? Comments
So you want to mount this on the intake side. Wouldnt the lower intake temp this creates just be offset but the restricted flow?
I would mount it. If possible. Replace the intake pipe before the Throttle body. Is it small enough to fit there ?
Quote from: Macgyver on September 22, 2017, 11:31:06 PM
So you want to mount this on the intake side. Wouldnt the lower intake temp this creates just be offset but the restricted flow?
I would mount it. If possible. Replace the intake pipe before the Throttle body. Is it small enough to fit there ?
This intercooler only has a .1 PSI loss, So the only downside is the heat up after the turbos,
and the install looks to be very simple, Must move the AITemp Sensor to the Elbow, and the
quick connects and the mounting are the only engineering hurtles, NOW is it worth the weight gain
i do not know....
the only way to get it in before the Intake would be: Mount in between the radiator and motor and pipe back to the Inlet, a Tight fit but i think do able, SO first up is the Remote front mount 3 7" fan set, Working on that today, Details to be up on the forum by the end of the Week....!
IAT1 is directly after the intake air filter and IAT2 is part of the MAP sensor on top of the intake manifold.
So I know the IAT1 can be monitored on the SCT X4 and mine is usually just a few degrees higher than outdoor temps. I will have to tinker with my SCT to see if I can find the IAT2 or TIP sensor.
SO what is the Temp Sensor in front of the Radiator Stack....?
(between the Grill and the Trans Cooler...)..?
Quote from: irondoor19 on October 25, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
SO what is the Temp Sensor in front of the Radiator Stack....?
(between the Grill and the Trans Cooler...)..?
Provides the outside temp you see on your head unit/Navi acreen
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Quote from: bpd1151 on October 25, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
Quote from: irondoor19 on October 25, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
SO what is the Temp Sensor in front of the Radiator Stack....?
(between the Grill and the Trans Cooler...)..?
Provides the outside temp you see on your head unit/Navi acreen
Does the computer use that sensor for anything performance related? I ask because mine is usually off by a good bit. 5-10 degrees sometimes. For example, my weather app said 71 the other day and walking outside it sure felt like that. The touchscreen in my car said 78 though. It sure as heck didn't feel that warm at the time. I have also seen mine change by 5-10 degrees in just a few seconds for apparently no reason. Steady speed highway driving and bam, 8 degree temp change on that screen lol.
Nope. No performance aspects related.
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Quote from: Agentlongwood on October 25, 2017, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on October 25, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
Quote from: irondoor19 on October 25, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
SO what is the Temp Sensor in front of the Radiator Stack....?
(between the Grill and the Trans Cooler...)..?
Provides the outside temp you see on your head unit/Navi acreen
Does the computer use that sensor for anything performance related? I ask because mine is usually off by a good bit. 5-10 degrees sometimes. For example, my weather app said 71 the other day and walking outside it sure felt like that. The touchscreen in my car said 78 though. It sure as heck didn't feel that warm at the time. I have also seen mine change by 5-10 degrees in just a few seconds for apparently no reason. Steady speed highway driving and bam, 8 degree temp change on that screen lol.
It sounds like its your AMBIENT TEMP SENSOR -(AU5Z12A647B) $10.78 ea. Z
But is it really worth the hassle to change it! Meh!!
http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2603322&cc=1503823&jsn=548&jsn=548 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2603322&cc=1503823&jsn=548&jsn=548)
Yup, good ole AAT. Works in combination with the incabin temp sensor in the driverside dash.
It's also not uncommon for that sensor to provide innacuarate readings, especially for those who have aftermarket grilles. The sun beaming directly onto will cause that.
Also, that sensor has a tendency to become dirty, clogged, etc. particularly in those parts of the country that apply road salt did I g the winter months.
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X3- some preventative maintenance is in store in having both sensors cleaned inside/out.
I used a can of air cleaner for the inside cabin sensor which worked quite well. dust- dust. Z
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