I have been collecting a lot of information on the 3.5L Ecoboost engine, in particular the F150's 3.5L Ecoboost engine and 6R80 automatic transmission.
I would be willing to share what I have learned, if anyone is interested. Here are a couple of thought starters to consider.
1. The engine is 28-1/2" wide across the turbos, the widest point, and 22" wide across the cylinder heads.
2. The F150's 3.5L Ecoboost uses a rear-sump oil pan, the exact same pan as used on the 2011-2014 Mustang 3.7L V6 (which also uses the 6R80 auto trans).
3. The motor mounting bosses on the F150 3.5L Ecoboost block are identical to those on a RWD 3.7L V6 block.
4. The 2011-2014 Mustang's MT-82 6-speed manual as used behind the 3.7L V6 will bolt right up to the F150's 3.5L Ecoboost engine. Later this year, Ford Racing will offer a "Controls Pak" for the F150 3.5L Ecoboost engine using a manual transmission.
Anyone have any thoughts? Want more info?
A Mustang with a 3.5 Eco and an MTX would be quite a road course car. You could tune it to have at least as much HP as a stock 5.0 and have a lighter front end.
DJE624,
True, and since it fits into a 2011-2014 Mustang, it would fit into a 2005-2010 Mustang as well, and with a tubular K-member it would fit into a 1979-2004 mustang as well. And it will likely also fit into a 1998-2011 Ford Ranger......
It's a fantastic motor whatever you put it in. Very high power to weight ratio.
Yes it is an amazing engine. It has 6-bolt main bearings, oil cooling jets for the pistons, a forged crankshaft, forged (powdered metal) rods and makes 365HP and 420 ft-lbs of torque and 90% of peak torque from 1700rpm through 5500rpm, on 87 octane fuel.
A stock 5500# F150 Ecoboost 2WD with a 3.73:1 axle will run the 1/4 mile in 15 seconds or less. Put that powertrain into a 3500# Mustang and it could run in the 11s and get 30mpg highway FE.
Quote from: walt460 on January 12, 2014, 12:50:52 AM
DJE624,
True, and since it fits into a 2011-2014 Mustang, it would fit into a 2005-2010 Mustang as well, and with a tubular K-member it would fit into a 1979-2004 mustang as well. And it will likely also fit into a 1998-2011 Ford Ranger......
wow you could make a ranger a absolute bullet lol sounds like a dream project.
Just find yourself a totaled F-150 with an Eco and a Mustang with a blown motor and you're all set!
Edit-Or Ranger.
As of November, 2013, Ford had built 400,000 F150s with the Ecoboost 3.5L engine. There are plenty of "totaled" 2011-2014 F150 Ecoboost trucks in wrecking yards.
You can buy a complete powertrain drop-out kit for about $5500, which includes the engine with all accessories & turbos, the transmission, the H-pipe with cats and UHEGOs, the PCM and all the wiring, the steering column with key, the BCM (Body Control Module, which is a smart fuse box), the vacuum pump, the fuel pump and sender with the FPDM (Fuel pump driver module)
To swap this powertrain into a Mustang or Ranger, you need some other parts like a custom air-to-air intercooler, an oil cooler, a larger radiator, modified drive shaft, etc. so I would plan about $8000 budget to be safe. Still a bargain for the performance that will result.
I wish I had the skill to make something like that happen.
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Keep up updated on this, very interested in this project. :)
When I had one of my Contour SVT's a while back, I had considered an Ecoboost swap. But given that 3.5EB engines are still rather pricey, it wasn't too serious of a thought for me.
They came with the 2.5 DOHC, and the 3.0 DOHC is an easy direct swap. I figured there had to be some similarities between the 3.0 and 3.5 (Nautilus actually sells a 3.5 for them), in terms of block similarities, dimensions, etc. If it would work, I knew I'd need basically an SHO for parts, to scavenge the wiring harness and all supporting hardware.
If that wouldn't have worked, I wondered about just using the SHO exhaust manifolds and turbos, and bolting them onto the 2.5/3.0 heads. All the would require, I think, would be the same exhaust port bolt patterns, and enough room for them turbos.
Great project. I'll be interested to see how it comes out.
My son and I were talking about this for his 69 F150, but never got to it with Christmas schedules.
I think the F150 3.5L Ecoboost with the 6R80 auto trans would make a great upgrade to a 1969 F150!
Talk about Nuevo/Retro! Sounds pretty cool.
Quote from: walt460 on January 12, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
I think the F150 3.5L Ecoboost with the 6R80 auto trans would make a great upgrade to a 1969 F150!
Oooooh! Great idea!
ebay is chock-full of EB engines from all sorts of cars, ranging from 1500 through 3g or so. Impressive!
I have a 2006 Crown Vic Police Intercepter P71. I'm getting close to doing some drivetrain upgrades. Originally was considering a 5.4 2v engine swap with dual rear mount turbos, but with Ford Racing going to produce a Control Pack. I'm thinking a Ecoboost 3.5 w/6R80 swap would be better option (power plus some fuel economy).
1. Does any body know if the 3.5 Ecoboost will use the same motor mounts as my current 4.6?
2. What is the height difference between the car 4.6 and the 3.5 Ecoboost? Want a sleeper, stock hood needs to be able to shut.
Not worried about width. Think I'm good there. I can always build custom headers and turbo mounts if needed.
3. How much bigger is the 6R80 vs the 4R70? Wonder if trans tunnel mods will be needed?
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I think you guys are going to hit a brick wall on this one.
I would suggest you look at getting an EB motor then putting a 2010 Mutang V6 port fuel injection intake on it.
Leave the DI stuff on the motor but use the port fuel injection to fuel it.
Install a stand alone ECU to drive it.
Until Ford Racing comes out with that controller you're stuck and retrofitting a harness into an older car would be a nightmare as you need all the body computers talking to the ECM or it will freak out from my understanding.
Also if you are wanting more or big power fuel is the limiting factor on the DI setup, much easier to get big fuel with a port fuel injection and stand alone.
I was at SEMA this week and got a goo look at a F150 2.7L Ecoboost V6. That engine is tiny! It would fit into a Ranger along with the 6R80 no problem. 325HP &375ft-lbs in Ranger would be a sweet upgrade!
Oh, also at SEMA, Ford Racing claims their 3.5L Ecoboost Controls PAK will be available 2nd Quarter of 2015. (M/T applications only) I also heard that PCS will have a stand-alone controller for the 6R80 in about 6 months.
In my book, the way to do a F150 Ecoboost swap into any other vehicle is to buy a wrecked truck that "lot-drives", that way you know all the parts you need are good before you start the swap. Before you buy a truck, you need to decide if you are going 2WD or 4WD and whether you want to have a floor shift or column shift, and buy accordingly. If you want the manual control of the trans shifting feature, you must use the factory shifter on floor or column, no aftermarket device has this feature that I know about.
There a lot of issues with swapping this engine. The major one is that the factory wiring is so complex and integrated, but there will be a 3.5LEB/6R80 swap harness coming to market in the near future.
Walt;
I've been following your comments on ecoboost swaps closely for some time now. I'm extremely interested in doing either ecoboost/6R80 or 5.0/6R80 swap and find it important to use the factory cal as a baseline for either. Is this aftermarket solution for making a factory ECM/TCM combination work in other vehicles coming as close as it seems? I've searched the web about this on many occasions but really can't find any info.
I have a feeling that you will start to see many 3.5 Ecoboost swaps once the controls PAK comes out. Looking forward to it!
I want a 1966 Lincoln Continental convertible with a 3.5 ecoboost now. (http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/1967_Lincoln_Continental_Convertible_For_Sale_Rear_resize.jpg)
I'm sure you're right about the controls pack, but with 4 forward gears from a 4r70w as the automatic transmission limit much of the magic from these engines will be lost. The 6r80 has so much wider a ratio spread we can dig deep off the line while still having great highway gears. I really think that's a big deal and something that will push the hot rod industry over the edge. Suddenly we can use a 3.08 gear but have all the grunt we needed 4.10 for before. All this time we still get closer gear spacing so there is a correct gear for many more situations. Because of that I expect many will pass until we have the option.
I'm pretty sure that's a 462 car. I'd keep that thing showroom stock just to preserve that engine.
Hey guys, I know this is an old thread. I'm new here to this forum. I have a project with a 2006 ford Mustang. I'm swapping a 2011 ford f-150 eco-boost into it. I just picked up the motor, computer, engine wire harness, mounts, turbos.. Will I need the smart fuse box? Bcm? Steering column? I just saw this thread online and decided to ask if these were necessary items... I'm running a mt-82 on it. Any help or pointers would be appreciated. Thanks guys. I will post pictures and keep you guys updated.
Welcome to the forum!!!
This thread should be helpful if you haven't checked it out yet.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=4279
Quote from: glock-coma on October 27, 2015, 08:58:35 PM
Welcome to the forum!!!
This thread should be helpful if you haven't checked it out yet.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=4279 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=4279)
If you are doing a 3.5L Ecoboost engine swap and plan to use a manual trans, you should seriously consider using the Ford Performance (formally Ford Racing) Controls Pak for the 3.5L EB. I heard that it will be available in November 2015 while I was just at SEMA.
Walt
Also at SEMA I found that Hotwire (wiring company in Arkansas) will make a engine/trans harness for the 2011-2015 F150 Ecoboost/6R80. They want your original factory harnesses if possible as some of the connector shells are not available, but for $1100 the will make the harness in any lengths you need, so custom made harness all tested and labeled that will run a 3.5L EB/6R80 with the stock PCM in just about any vehicle you can put it into with just hooking up 5 wires. hotwireauto.com is their website.
Also, you will need to have the PATS feature turned off in your PCM, and so far the only company that can do that is HP tuners, but you must ship your PCM to them to get that done.
Walt
Quote from: walt460 on November 09, 2015, 07:27:21 AM
Also, you will need to have the PATS feature turned off in your PCM, and so far the only company that can do that is HP tuners, but you must ship your PCM to them to get that done.
Walt
Sct has the ability to disable pats....always have actually
No, actually SCT does not have the ability to turn off PATS in 2011-up Ford PCMs. I lot of guys think that SCT does, because their tuner menu actually has such a selection, but it does not work for 2011-up Ford PCMs.
The only company that has successfully shown that they can turn off PATS for a 2011-up Ford PCM is HP Tuners, and they can only do it if you send them your PCM, can not be done with their current release or any planned release of their software.
AJP asked me to post this because he suffers from iFail.
I believe Forscan has the ability to manage PATS also?
Quote from: walt460 on November 09, 2015, 07:27:21 AM
Also at SEMA I found that Hotwire (wiring company in Arkansas) will make a engine/trans harness for the 2011-2015 F150 Ecoboost/6R80. They want your original factory harnesses if possible as some of the connector shells are not available, but for $1100 the will make the harness in any lengths you need, so custom made harness all tested and labeled that will run a 3.5L EB/6R80 with the stock PCM in just about any vehicle you can put it into with just hooking up 5 wires. hotwireauto.com is their website.
Also, you will need to have the PATS feature turned off in your PCM, and so far the only company that can do that is HP tuners, but you must ship your PCM to them to get that done.
Walt
Well hopefully they can make one for the new Raptor dual fuel engine next year and the 10 speed trans. :)
I can't wait for technical details on the 2017 Raptor's 3.5L Ecoboost. I know that it will include new/revised cylinder heads and rumor has it with new higher capacity high-pressure fuel pump to allow HP to jump to over 425HP, Rumor is more like 450HP. That power level with the new 10-speed should make a great powertrain to swap into some cool street rides. You can bet that the PCM and wiring will be new/revised, but I look forward to the challenge.
Quote from: walt460 on November 12, 2015, 07:50:18 AM
I can't wait for technical details on the 2017 Raptor's 3.5L Ecoboost. I know that it will include new/revised cylinder heads and rumor has it with new higher capacity high-pressure fuel pump to allow HP to jump to over 425HP, Rumor is more like 450HP. That power level with the new 10-speed should make a great powertrain to swap into some cool street rides. You can bet that the PCM and wiring will be new/revised, but I look forward to the challenge.
It's DI and PFI, no more DI restrictions :)
It's DI and PFI, no more DI restrictions :)
That is good news! Interesting to see how they do that, maybe parts can be added to earlier 3.5L EB engines.
I see all the Ford Performance dealers are now selling the 3.5L EB Controls Pak. Solution for anyone wanting to go with a manual trans.
Quote from: walt460 on November 12, 2015, 02:41:05 PM
It's DI and PFI, no more DI restrictions :)
That is good news! Interesting to see how they do that, maybe parts can be added to earlier 3.5L EB engines.
I asked that, the heads are new and the new intake manifold won't swap onto the old heads unfortunately. I was really hoping that the manifold would retrofit. :(
This company says it can program PATS...
http://www.drewtech.com/products/Mongoose/mongoosepwm.html (http://www.drewtech.com/products/Mongoose/mongoosepwm.html)
All for the low low price of $495
Quote from: SHOdded on November 10, 2015, 05:34:35 AM
I believe Forscan has the ability to manage PATS also?
Yes, but I don't see any Ecoboost applications....
http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=836 (http://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=836)
Reviving a old thread. I and just getting started on my 64 Falcon Coupe Pro Touring project.
With Ford offering the 3.5 EcoBoost and controller it will be a fun and different swap. I am told a MT82 trans and 3.7 flywheel will bolt up I yet to verify.
I will be using a Ride Tech coil over suspension with a Fox body rack, it looks like the rear sump pan has plenty of room. One of the big questions I have is it looks the the drivers side turbo exhaust could be a tight fit. Any information appreciated.
Curious if this controller pack would work with a motor out of a wreck.
The manual ranger project would be way easier, with this simple manual transmission harness...
Just dreaming...swap the IRS out of a Cobra, wrecked F-150 3.5EB, Tremec 6-speed of some variety (not sure on the bellhousing compatibility...custom bellhousing could get pricey...)
That thing would flat out MOVE. Hell, with the Turbo Couple/SVO 2.3 SOHC swap, they're no slouch, just imagine that much more torque and HP in a stock tuned 3.5EB...start working on some tuning?
Quote from: Primalzer on June 07, 2017, 12:55:07 PM
Curious if this controller pack would work with a motor out of a wreck.
The manual ranger project would be way easier, with this simple manual transmission harness...
Just dreaming...swap the IRS out of a Cobra, wrecked F-150 3.5EB, Tremec 6-speed of some variety (not sure on the bellhousing compatibility...custom bellhousing could get pricey...)
That thing would flat out MOVE. Hell, with the Turbo Couple/SVO 2.3 SOHC swap, they're no slouch, just imagine that much more torque and HP in a stock tuned 3.5EB...start working on some tuning?
I do like where your head is at with this. I had my 95 GT Convertible out for a spin yesterday and was missing the power of the SHO, but enjoyed rowing thru the gears on the T5 5spd... I literally was thinking how much fun the car would be with a 3.5Eco and a manual trans..
Quote from: lamrith on June 07, 2017, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: Primalzer on June 07, 2017, 12:55:07 PM
Curious if this controller pack would work with a motor out of a wreck.
The manual ranger project would be way easier, with this simple manual transmission harness...
Just dreaming...swap the IRS out of a Cobra, wrecked F-150 3.5EB, Tremec 6-speed of some variety (not sure on the bellhousing compatibility...custom bellhousing could get pricey...)
That thing would flat out MOVE. Hell, with the Turbo Couple/SVO 2.3 SOHC swap, they're no slouch, just imagine that much more torque and HP in a stock tuned 3.5EB...start working on some tuning?
I do like where your head is at with this. I had my 95 GT Convertible out for a spin yesterday and was missing the power of the SHO, but enjoyed rowing thru the gears on the T5 5spd... I literally was thinking how much fun the car would be with a 3.5Eco and a manual trans..
Exactly my issue with my Flex. Love the power, miss rowing my own gears. Even my GF commented the other day how I look so disappointed because I don't drive a stick anymore. I've already started the hunt for something manual and cheap that I was going to turn into a project car/truck trackrat. Not sure if they'd allow a Ranger to autocross, but I can always try :rofl:
Forgot to add the harness link to my original post...
https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6017-35CNTRL
I am wondering if a 6R80 transmission will work on my 2011 Taurus SHO? What's the difference in a SHO Ecoboost and a F150
Quote from: 4/SHO on February 05, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
I am wondering if a 6R80 transmission will work on my 2011 Taurus SHO? What's the difference in a SHO Ecoboost and a F150
Besides the fact that the SHO is tranverse and the F150 is not, meaning the 6r80 out of an F150 would in no way, shape, or form work in an SHO
Quote from: 4/SHO on February 05, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
I am wondering if a 6R80 transmission will work on my 2011 Taurus SHO? What's the difference in a SHO Ecoboost and a F150
Block is fundamentally the same except for some bosses here and there. F150 Limited and F150 Raptor are the HO versions of the 3.5 and have different pistons. Heads between the transverse 3.5 (SHO/Flex/XSport) and the longitudinal 3.5 (F150/Expedition) are pretty different and Intake Manifold is WAY different, comes off the opposite direction.
I know there are other differences, but these are some of the major ones.
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