Before anything, I just want to clarify that I am posting this with the sole purpose to show the difference in tunes on MY SHO.
I have been working with Torrie for the past weeks on my tune , by sending him data logs. He said he felt very good with last revised tune he sent me so I said it's time for the track .
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Ran a 13.3 as soon as I got to the track . I said okay it must that it need to cool down . So I waited 2 hrs and went at it again . Ran a 13.1 both launches were at 2k and no wheels spin.
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Not being happy with the times I removed the current tune and loaded the LMS 4x tune . So off to the staging lanes I went and ran a 13.0 with wheel spin . Waited for car to cool down for 20 minutes and this time I launched it 2500 big mistake cause I spinned even more . Ran a 13.1 . Wished I could of ran again but staging lanes closed . So there you have the comparison of both tunes on my SHO .
Since both tune ran 105.X MPH (almost identical) I'd say your power from both tunes is almost identical :)
Thanks for the comparison, this is great!
Good info there :thumb:
Great comparison...12's were so close
Rich
Very interesting...
Interesting for sure.
Puzzled as to why you waited only 20min in between both runs with the LMS file(s) AND you chose to launch 500rpms higher on the 2nd LMS pull?
Seems perhaps based on your results, you could've eek'd out a 12.9 at the minimum by launching at 2K & allowing a lil more cool down time.
Either way, LMS by a hair w/ the 13.0 flat.
Nice job & thanks for posting!
Both tuners should be commended for their respective efforts. Bravo! :clap2:
Quote from: bpd1151 on February 12, 2015, 04:17:22 PM
Interesting for sure.
Puzzled as to why you waited only 20min in between both runs with the LMS file(s) AND you chose to launch 500rpms higher on the 2nd LMS pull?
Seems perhaps based on your results, you could've eek'd out a 12.9 at the minimum by launching at 2K & allowing a lil more cool down time.
Either way, LMS by a hair w/ the 13.0 flat.
Nice job & thanks for posting!
Both tuners should be commended for their respective efforts. Bravo! :clap2:
I was hurrying up before track closed . It was already past the cutoff time to close the staging lanes . The reason I chose to go 500 rpm higher was that I wanted that 12s second so desperately and felt confident it wouldn't spin which I was wrong .lol
I've been able to run a 12.8 with the LMS tune .
I guess it goes to SHO you each tuners limitations and how aggressive they can go without causing any potential failures to the E.B platform,a great way to safeguard your vehicle and having to explain to your warranty company.
Several uncontrolled variables may have skewed results. But I do agree it at least confirms they're not too far apart in the performance spectrum.
Glad they are so close. All I really saw was the same MPH which tells u everything. The actual time could be better for Unleashed tune if it was ran at the end of the day instead of before. In an hour or two things change. (track becomes stickier or weather). They are both great imo.
What other mods does your car have besides a tune?
Logging is not needed to tune on the EcoBoost platform, we have been preaching this for years. We never laid eyes on SOTX's SHO. And still won.
We know the inner-workings of the EB logic. We have put countless hours of time into the engineering of our own tuning software and hardware dev.
Thanks for the fair comparison. Clearly from the times, coupled with the fact that our runs had did not benefit from a 2 hour cool down, and the fat that it's overpowering the tires on the launch tells us what potential there is once you get traction with our tuning.
This is why we preach that datalogging is not required, because if you know how to tune these properly, then the car does everything you ask of it. Our out of the box tune outperforming a tune that has been tweaked for weeks just continues to show the amount of truth in what we are saying.
Seeing as how you have the ability to swap tunes. Maybe try running Livernois tune for "say" a full day at least, and head to track with it as first runs. Then switch to the Torrie tunes.
Just an idea to try.
Rich
Yeah, if there's any adaptive logic in the tune, as is typically the case, you'd be at a disadvantage running it full bore having just uploaded a set of new tables.
Of course, with of this backward control feedback taking place on this engine, not certain that applies.
Quote from: middthrew00 on February 12, 2015, 09:33:49 PM
What other mods does your car have besides a tune?
LMS catted down pipes, drop in k&n, 3 bar sensor and Sp534 plugs .
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 13, 2015, 09:30:05 PM
Seeing as how you have the ability to swap tunes. Maybe try running Livernois tune for "say" a full day at least, and head to track with it as first runs. Then switch to the Torrie tunes.
Just an idea to try.
Rich
I will be doing this soon just out of curiosity
Quote from: southtxSHO on February 14, 2015, 12:50:26 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 13, 2015, 09:30:05 PM
Seeing as how you have the ability to swap tunes. Maybe try running Livernois tune for "say" a full day at least, and head to track with it as first runs. Then switch to the Torrie tunes.
Just an idea to try.
Rich
I will be doing this soon just out of curiosity
I would give it more than a day, if you can. The adaptive learning that the EB's have takes a while to "learn".
But, we definitely appreciate the comparo!
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 14, 2015, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: southtxSHO on February 14, 2015, 12:50:26 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 13, 2015, 09:30:05 PM
Seeing as how you have the ability to swap tunes. Maybe try running Livernois tune for "say" a full day at least, and head to track with it as first runs. Then switch to the Torrie tunes.
Just an idea to try.
Rich
I will be doing this soon just out of curiosity
I would give it more than a day, if you can. The adaptive learning that the EB's have takes a while to "learn".
But, we definitely appreciate the comparo!
I'm currently running the LMS tune , so that won't be a problem. I had been running the unleashed tune for a week since the last revised tune.
Oh, very cool! If there is anything that we can do my personal contact info is
<----------Right here!
It's never the ET to compare, it's always the MPH, and with them being within .1 of each other I'd say they're identical.
ET has nothing to do with HP and all to do with sticking.
As an example - same car, same tune nothing changed but tires (mine)
10.6@133 with a 1.65 60' - 19x10 with 305/35R19 MT DR
10.3@133 with a 1.50 60' - 17x11 with 325/45R17 M&H DR
I even ran an 11.0@132 lifting
If you want to quantify power the MPH is the key, there's almost no difference in the two cars tunes.
Concerning the adaptive learning - if both have been tuned right before the pass then they're both in the same learning scenario on the ECU - another thing to remove from the equation.
Taking a closer look at the slips it looks like Unleashed tune is actually stronger through 1/8 mile as it traped a bit more but then top end they kind of equal out. I think you needed to run a few more with lms tune and then switch back to unleashed again for a few. I doubt one company can tune more things then the other. It just depends how agressive they want to get.
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 18, 2015, 10:26:51 AM
I doubt one company can tune more things then the other. It just depends how agressive they want to get.
That is actually inaccurate. There are about 18-19k different tables that make up an EB ECU. For example, other tuning companies might only give you access to 100, and if you want to alter a table that is outside of the 100 pre-selected tables you are out of luck. For that reason, we engineered our own software.
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 18, 2015, 10:26:51 AM
I doubt one company can tune more things then the other. It just depends how agressive they want to get.
That is actually inaccurate. There are about 18-19k different tables that make up an EB ECU. For example, other tuning companies might only give you access to 100, and if you want to alter a table that is outside of the 100 pre-selected tables you are out of luck. For that reason, we engineered our own software.
Ok I guess I was wrong. I just figured with that many more options to tune the car there would be a bigger difference in the tune. Also what I noticed with my previous car which was not a turbo so it could be different is that right after loading the tune the car feels more responsive and stronger so that could be working in your tunes favor here also. I am not here to defend one company or the other just saying what I noticed. I am going with Unleashed for my tune mainly because I already have the x3 tuner. I think both of the companies do a good job. Plus I do like the fact that Unleashed looks at the logs and adjusts for my car even though I understand there wont be a big difference one way or the other.
I re-flashed my tune in between runs and ran worse times even though the shifting felt more aggressive. So I think that the Livernois tune was at a slight disadvantage.
Rich
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 18, 2015, 11:45:18 AM
I re-flashed my tune in between runs and ran worse times even though the shifting felt more aggressive. So I think that the Livernois tune was at a slight disadvantage.
Rich
That's strange. My 2014 Ford Focus (yes I know I actually tuned it) felt stronger after re-flashing and I did it many times. Maybe because its N/A? If anything I would think the tune would slowly get weaker due to the car learning the driving habits unless you were to beat on it 24/7. This is me just guessing although there is a thread around here where people recommend to re-flash every few weeks or when going to track.
Well, if you really think about everything possible was stacked against us.
We did a remote tune.
No "required" logging was done.
Only 20 mins between runs.
And he obviously spun on our tuning....
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Well, if you really think about everything possible was stacked against us.
We did a remote tune.
No "required" logging was done.
Only 20 mins between runs.
And he obviously spun on our tuning....
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
You might be right. I wonder if Torrie would agree with you about not needing to log on the EB engines... What if you guys infact do have a tune thats just a tiny bit faster but is pushing the limits of the engine more due to not reading each engines reaction to the tune (logs) which in return could kill the engine faster? Who blew up more EB engines u guys or Unleashed? (Serious question I have no idea) Torrie should get in this threat to give his view on it all! I also think this can be a mature conversation I am not saying to bash each other.
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 18, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Well, if you really think about everything possible was stacked against us.
We did a remote tune.
No "required" logging was done.
Only 20 mins between runs.
And he obviously spun on our tuning....
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
You might be right. I wonder if Torrie would agree with you about not needing to log on the EB engines... What if you guys infact do have a tune thats just a tiny bit faster but is pushing the limits of the engine more due to not reading each engines reaction to the tune (logs) which in return could kill the engine faster? Who blew up more EB engines u guys or Unleashed? (Serious question I have no idea) Torrie should get in this threat to give his view on it all! I also think this can be a mature conversation I am not saying to bash each other.
The problem with the end user logging is that you do not have the ability to log 100% accurate information VIA the OBDii port. Whereas, Torrie and us as well are hooking up to the ECU with a laptop, and using tuning software to monitor live info from the ECU. The sample rates and PIDS that you get from your monitors, apps and such are EXTREMELY poor. Giving us imperfect information. We learned this back in 2009 when we first dived head first into the EB platform.
Keep in mind that we have more access to more of the ECUs tables than anyone using one the big 3rd party tuning suppliers. Because we know the logic and engineering of the EB ECU so well I would argue your example being probable. I don't want to call it impossible, because anything is possible. BUT, we have yet to blow up a client's vehicle with our tuning regardless of it being remote or dyno tuning. Not that we are aspiring to by any means lol, but it has not happened.
As for the tuning and being on the edge, we actually run less boost that almost anyone else. Our tunes add maybe 1-2# of boost to a stock car, keeping everything in the "happy" range for efficiency. We see forums posts of people running, 5, and sometimes even 10# of boost more than stock and wondering why they run slower than our tunes. It shouldn't take much to observe which version is safer, and which is living life dangerously. If you can make the same (or more) power at less boost, why run more? It will just shorten the life of, well, everything.
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
I don't think any such thing has been proven. This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets.
As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second, is it about breaking new ground? Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines. Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.
And by the way, as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived. Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.
Quote from: SHOdded on February 18, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
I don't think any such thing has been proven. This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets.
As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second, is it about breaking new ground? Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines. Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.
And by the way, as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived. Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.
I hear you. But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code. Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.
Quote from: J-Will on February 18, 2015, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on February 18, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
I don't think any such thing has been proven. This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets.
As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second, is it about breaking new ground? Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines. Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.
And by the way, as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived. Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.
I hear you. But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code. Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.
What you just said is far from an acceptable comparison.
If this is to be a true comparison between both companies tunes then the unleashed tune should be used to its fullest potential by using datalog's.
Seeing that LMS does not offer datalog support then the tune you get from them is their highest offering for you car.
Why not use the entirety of what you pay for?
Quote from: wasinger3000 on February 18, 2015, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: J-Will on February 18, 2015, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on February 18, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
I don't think any such thing has been proven. This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets.
As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second, is it about breaking new ground? Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines. Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.
And by the way, as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived. Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.
I hear you. But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code. Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.
What you just said is far from an acceptable comparison.
If this is to be a true comparison between both companies tunes then the unleashed tune should be used to its fullest potential by using datalog's.
Seeing that LMS does not offer datalog support then the tune you get from them is their highest offering for you car.
Why not use the entirety of what you pay for?
Or their tuner is knowledgeable enough to understand how the tweaks impact the vehicle from extensive in house tests and don't need the customer to show them what their changes did.
I can play this game all day. The customer only need be satisfied by their purchase. Two different companies, with two different approaches to put a customers mind at ease.
Quote from: J-Will on February 18, 2015, 06:48:35 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on February 18, 2015, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: J-Will on February 18, 2015, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on February 18, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
I don't think any such thing has been proven. This is one dataset out of many such possible datasets.
As to what constitutes a better tune, is it the comfort level of the driver with the vehicle's behavior, is it that tenths of a second, is it about breaking new ground? Some people like to know for themselves what's going on with their machines. Datalogging has its' place, and it is not in the shadows.
And by the way, as vehicles age, their individual personalities do emerge based on the lives they have lived. Datalogging can help identify problem areas and keep the tune in a safety zone.
I hear you. But that is like saying Ford needs to personally log, collect, and comb through each persons car in order to install a baseline code. Datalogging is a method to educate the tuner on how the changes impacted the vehicle.
What you just said is far from an acceptable comparison.
If this is to be a true comparison between both companies tunes then the unleashed tune should be used to its fullest potential by using datalog's.
Seeing that LMS does not offer datalog support then the tune you get from them is their highest offering for you car.
Why not use the entirety of what you pay for?
Or their tuner is knowledgeable enough to understand how the tweaks impact the vehicle from extensive in house tests and don't need the customer to show them what their changes did.
I can play this game all day. The customer only need be satisfied by their purchase. Two different companies, with two different approaches to put a customers mind at ease.
I don't think you quite grasp the concept at hand. Maybe your current kool-aid fueled ignorance is to blame.
NOT EVERY ENGINE IS THE SAME!
Hence a custom tune profiled by datalog's.
What do you think a dyno tune is? Oh yeah and LMS does dyno tunes. So that makes your previous statement idiotic.
I can do this all day.
Not quite sure what you're attempting to insult me with, but its spelled Kool-Aid.
Quote from: J-Will on February 18, 2015, 07:17:17 PM
Not quite sure what you're attempting to insult me with, but its spelled Kool-Aid.
Auto correct got the best of me.
I'm not here to insult. Just don't approve of your uneducated blathering.
Since I am uneducated, and you're the educated SME; I will look into purchasing tunes from you. Because of all of your first hand experience in the field.
Oh you don't sell tunes? Perhaps its best to leave the methodology to those that do. If one requires data logging file be sent back and the customer understands and is willing then so be it. If another tuner does jot require logs sent back, and the customer understands then so be it.
Quote from: J-Will on February 18, 2015, 07:24:07 PM
Since I am uneducated, and you're the educated SME; I will look into purchasing tunes from you. Because of all of your first hand experience in the field.
Oh you don't sell tunes? Perhaps its best to leave the methodology to those that do. If one requires data logging file be sent back and the customer understands and is willing then so be it. If another tuner does jot require logs sent back, and the customer understands then so be it.
Hah.
Have you done any datalog's yourself?
Do you understand what a datalog is used for?
It seems you don't quite understand what is being discussed.
So the bickering is fun
But I'm more interested in what has a cleaner daily drive?
I apologize to interject,been there done that,have mutual respect for both of you guys,but at the end the clear winner is the vendor who's getting rich.
Yeah.... I'm over it. To each their own.
My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin
Rich
Looking at the time slips though, we need an intervention here regardless of tune in car to get those 60's closer to the 1.80 range. Are you dropping the tire pressure at all?
Rich
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 19, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin
Rich
Whats all done to ur car? Is it a 93 octane tune? Thats quick I hope mine is as quick but I will be on 92 octane most of the time.
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 19, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 19, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin
Rich
Whats all done to ur car? Is it a 93 octane tune? Thats quick I hope mine is as quick but I will be on 92 octane most of the time.
LMS Mycalibrator MILAN 6-13-14 tune/HAI/tstat(12.7582@108.43) MILAN- 8-6-14 3bar and boost leak(12.66@108.43) MILAN-10-16-14 2 gal E/85+winter fuel(12.54@109.75)
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 19, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 19, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 19, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin
Rich
Whats all done to ur car? Is it a 93 octane tune? Thats quick I hope mine is as quick but I will be on 92 octane most of the time.
LMS Mycalibrator MILAN 6-13-14 tune/HAI/tstat(12.7582@108.43) MILAN- 8-6-14 3bar and boost leak(12.66@108.43) MILAN-10-16-14 2 gal E/85+winter fuel(12.54@109.75)
Dang nice!
Not to interject, I just knew the answer to your question.
Quote from: Jtrain on February 18, 2015, 07:41:10 PM
But I'm more interested in what has a cleaner daily drive?
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 19, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 19, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 19, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin
Rich
Whats all done to ur car? Is it a 93 octane tune? Thats quick I hope mine is as quick but I will be on 92 octane most of the time.
LMS Mycalibrator MILAN 6-13-14 tune/HAI/tstat(12.7582@108.43) MILAN- 8-6-14 3bar and boost leak(12.66@108.43) MILAN-10-16-14 2 gal E/85+winter fuel(12.54@109.75)
;););)
Rich
Quote from: Jtrain on February 19, 2015, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: Jtrain on February 18, 2015, 07:41:10 PM
But I'm more interested in what has a cleaner daily drive?
Daily driving is great. No tranny bumps, smooth power.
Rich
Wait LMS made an E85 mix tune?
No we did not tune for an E85 mix.
I had just started to put e/85 in to battle the winter blend that was pulling a little timing. Actually didn't have the 160* tstat in during those runs.
Breaking the rules I am, just a little bit...CORN may be addictive <--warning
Rich
To elaborate on the no 160* tstat runs....this was during my many swaps back and forth fighting a stubborn air pocket. This resulted in higher temps at the end of the 1/4 with timing being pulled at that point.
I have logged with torque pro to see this, and it is right around the 100 mph point for me where temps shoot up and pull timing. I would not suggest doing long pulls without a colder tstat.
Rich
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 19, 2015, 07:38:36 PM
I had just started to put e/85 in to battle the winter blend that was pulling a little timing. Actually didn't have the 160* tstat in during those runs.
Breaking the rules I am, just a little bit...CORN may be addictive <--warning
Rich
Naughty!
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 18, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Well, if you really think about everything possible was stacked against us.
We did a remote tune.
No "required" logging was done.
Only 20 mins between runs.
And he obviously spun on our tuning....
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
You might be right. I wonder if Torrie would agree with you about not needing to log on the EB engines... What if you guys infact do have a tune thats just a tiny bit faster but is pushing the limits of the engine more due to not reading each engines reaction to the tune (logs) which in return could kill the engine faster? Who blew up more EB engines u guys or Unleashed? (Serious question I have no idea) Torrie should get in this threat to give his view on it all! I also think this can be a mature conversation I am not saying to bash each other.
The problem with the end user logging is that you do not have the ability to log 100% accurate information VIA the OBDii port. Whereas, Torrie and us as well are hooking up to the ECU with a laptop, and using tuning software to monitor live info from the ECU. The sample rates and PIDS that you get from your monitors, apps and such are EXTREMELY poor. Giving us imperfect information. We learned this back in 2009 when we first dived head first into the EB platform.
I'm setting up my SCT software to run in a RAMDRIVE on my laptop for this very reason.
These other peripherals have plenty of pipe but the programs just aren't optimized on the computing end.(I'm talkin to you Torque!)
If SCT could build a pretty gauge layout I could export to a display, I'd build a tiny PC for the car.
So I got a base tune from Torrie that i sent him a log on and he needed to turn the boost down a bit due to fuel pump or something. The car felt great to me and I would have never known that it needs a little adjustment if I didnt datalog. Datalogging is needed on EB and any engine and this is a great example of it. I am sure his base tune would be fine on some other Sho but not on my car. I am about to go do another log so we can perfect this tune for my car. Sorry I cant agree that our cars do not need datalogging.
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 24, 2015, 01:26:59 PM
So I got a base tune from Torrie that i sent him a log on and he needed to turn the boost down a bit due to fuel pump or something. The car felt great to me and I would have never known that it needs a little adjustment if I didnt datalog. Datalogging is needed on EB and any engine and this is a great example of it. I am sure his base tune would be fine on some other Sho but not on my car. I am about to go do another log so we can perfect this tune for my car. Sorry I cant agree that our cars do not need datalogging.
How much boost were you seeing?
Rich
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 19, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 19, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 19, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin
Rich
Whats all done to ur car? Is it a 93 octane tune? Thats quick I hope mine is as quick but I will be on 92 octane most of the time.
LMS Mycalibrator MILAN 6-13-14 tune/HAI/tstat(12.7582@108.43) MILAN- 8-6-14 3bar and boost leak(12.66@108.43) MILAN-10-16-14 2 gal E/85+winter fuel(12.54@109.75)
Not certain wether to attribute the improved ET to a repaired boost leak, or to the gentle E blend.
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 24, 2015, 01:53:42 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 24, 2015, 01:26:59 PM
So I got a base tune from Torrie that i sent him a log on and he needed to turn the boost down a bit due to fuel pump or something. The car felt great to me and I would have never known that it needs a little adjustment if I didnt datalog. Datalogging is needed on EB and any engine and this is a great example of it. I am sure his base tune would be fine on some other Sho but not on my car. I am about to go do another log so we can perfect this tune for my car. Sorry I cant agree that our cars do not need datalogging.
How much boost were you seeing?
Rich
Good question I couldnt tell on the log I did. He told me he is taking boost out of it because the fuel pressure drops too much and is giving low ambient. I really have no idea what that means other than less boost. The 2nd tune he sent me i just logged and sent to him so hopefully we can get it to 100% as i plan to take the car to track once it opens up in few months. >:D
My car got quicker with every revision.
It will be interesting to see if downpipes, cutout, and meth get me into 11's this year.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 24, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
My car got quicker with every revision.
It will be interesting to see if downpipes, cutout, and meth get me into 11's this year.
good luck i hope so! Howmany revisions did u do?
Quote from: IHeartGroceries on February 24, 2015, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 19, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 19, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: SHOnUup on February 19, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
My car is different.....it's an animal...roar..lol...12.54...just sayin
Rich
Whats all done to ur car? Is it a 93 octane tune? Thats quick I hope mine is as quick but I will be on 92 octane most of the time.
LMS Mycalibrator MILAN 6-13-14 tune/HAI/tstat(12.7582@108.43) MILAN- 8-6-14 3bar and boost leak(12.66@108.43) MILAN-10-16-14 2 gal E/85+winter fuel(12.54@109.75)
Not certain wether to attribute the improved ET to a repaired boost leak, or to the gentle E blend.
It was days after that day at the track I noticed the leak. It could've been there, happened at the track or after. It being so close I think it was there, can't be for sure.
Will definitely do some runs with and without corn this year.
Rich
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 24, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
My car got quicker with every revision.
It will be interesting to see if downpipes, cutout, and meth get me into 11's this year.
Sounds like a fun year ahead...best of luck on the elusive 11's.
Rich
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 24, 2015, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 24, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
My car got quicker with every revision.
It will be interesting to see if downpipes, cutout, and meth get me into 11's this year.
good luck i hope so! Howmany revisions did u do?
I was just thinking about that and i can't remember.
The last half of the year was really shitty and it kind of wiped my brain.
I'm anxious for some warmer weather so I can get my tune dialed in. Can't get the meth to phase change near as well with it in the 20's.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 24, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
My car got quicker with every revision.
It will be interesting to see if downpipes, cutout, and meth get me into 11's this year.
It should, we have a client that has all of our bolt ons with meth and on DR's he has been running 11.8-11.9 all day long for a year now!
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 25, 2015, 08:21:56 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 24, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
My car got quicker with every revision.
It will be interesting to see if downpipes, cutout, and meth get me into 11's this year.
It should, we have a client that has all of our bolt ons with meth and on DR's he has been running 11.8-11.9 all day long for a year now!
That's awesome, got any clips?
ive been running 13's :zumbujump:
How about a meth revision.... my LME meth tune is barely noticeable over my 93 tune. I even turned the meth off for a pass or two and watched to see if it pulled timing or if it wasnt getting enough fuel. No problems and ran comparable to my 93 tune... So if your planning on going meth, no offense to the Good guys at LME but someone willing to dial it in from logging is a good bet. Especially if you don't want to have to take a vacation to Michigan to have LME dyno tune it.
Quote from: Txstrmhntr on March 02, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
How about a meth revision.... my LME meth tune is barely noticeable over my 93 tune. I even turned the meth off for a pass or two and watched to see if it pulled timing or if it wasnt getting enough fuel. No problems and ran comparable to my 93 tune... So if your planning on going meth, no offense to the Good guys at LME but someone willing to dial it in from logging is a good bet. Especially if you don't want to have to take a vacation to Michigan to have LME dyno tune it.
apparently it work make a difference, ecoboost engines do not need to be dialed in by data logging if you get the base tune (for mods) right :p
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 02, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
apparently it work make a difference, ecoboost engines do not need to be dialed in by data logging if you get the base tune (for mods) right :p
I think that's true in anything. If you get it right the first time. But that being said canned tunes no matter how reputable the vendor generally err on conservative side. Each car is slightly different. The age old what day of the week did yours get built on phenomenon
Quote from: Txstrmhntr on March 02, 2015, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 02, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
apparently it work make a difference, ecoboost engines do not need to be dialed in by data logging if you get the base tune (for mods) right :p
I think that's true in anything. If you get it right the first time. But that being said canned tunes no matter how reputable the vendor generally err on conservative side. Each car is slightly different. The age old what day of the week did yours get built on phenomenon
I agree but not everyone will. Apparently the canned tunes have been perfected and work the same on every car even tho some have 100k miles and other 10k. :)
I had LMS for a year or so and switched to Torrie. I had a minor issue or two that was never resolved so I made the switch and I especially like the fact that Torrie data logs and the customer service is top notch.