So... aside from custom fabbed, there are no 3" exhaust systems available for the SHO? 😲
You mean turboback/catback? No prefabbed that I know of.
3" downpipes you can get from Unleashed Tuning, I think.
Quote from: SHOdded on January 29, 2018, 02:49:20 PM
You mean turboback/catback? No prefabbed that I know of.
3" downpipes you can get from Unleashed Tuning, I think.
Those have been off his website for a long time now. In fact, the DPs he sells are SW now.
I highly suggest you listen to a 2.5" straight through setup, it doesn't sound good IMHO and many others. Nothing like doing a custom exhaust and then undoing it. :)
Kinda disappointing / surprising that nothing bigger than 2.5" is readily available. Turbo cars like to BREATHE...
Loud is no problem for me, I'm coming from an '05 SRT4 with 3" mandrel pipe from the turbo back & a Dynomax race bullet muffler where the cat used to be. Ride before that was an '01 Lightning with Bassani headers & exhaust.
Quote from: CaptainInsane-O on January 29, 2018, 08:07:00 PM
Kinda disappointing / surprising that nothing bigger than 2.5" is readily available. Turbo cars like to BREATHE...
Loud is no problem for me, I'm coming from an '05 SRT4 with 3" mandrel pipe from the turbo back & a Dynomax race bullet muffler where the cat used to be. Ride before that was an '01 Lightning with Bassani headers & exhaust.
They like to breathe when they are moving air and these baby turbos aren't really moving much.....dual 2.5" pipes are moving plenty of exhaust for our turbos is say
Exactly how small? Are the turbos' specs available?
I'm coming from an SRT4 & the Skittle's turbo is pretty pretty itty bitty but it definitely benefitted from moving from a 2.5" Mopar exhaust to a 3" B&B knockoff.
Quote from: CaptainInsane-O on February 03, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Exactly how small? Are the turbos' specs available?
I'm coming from an SRT4 & the Skittle's turbo is pretty pretty itty bitty but it definitely benefitted from moving from a 2.5" Mopar exhaust to a 3" B&B knockoff.
The sho's Turbos are smaller I think...that's why they can make 20 psi if programmed correctly...not that we have the fuel for that anyway....also you dopar only had single exhaust..so do the math on dual 2.5" pipes ...it's a lot more than a single 3" pipe
Only smaller turbos I have seen were on motorcycle turbos lol
Quote from: CaptainInsane-O on February 03, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Exactly how small? Are the turbos' specs available?
I'm coming from an SRT4 & the Skittle's turbo is pretty pretty itty bitty but it definitely benefitted from moving from a 2.5" Mopar exhaust to a 3" B&B knockoff.
Garrett GT15. They are effing TINY. So small, that for me at higher elevation they get their asses kicked when asking for above stock power out of them.
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Yeah it's crazy..The first time I took my downpipes off and saw the turbine I couldn't believe that an entire bank of cylinders' exhaust exits through that hole AND passing through the restriction that is the wheel itself.
Hey, there is something to be said for engineering miracles lol.
Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it.
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 03, 2018, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: CaptainInsane-O on February 03, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Exactly how small? Are the turbos' specs available?
I'm coming from an SRT4 & the Skittle's turbo is pretty pretty itty bitty but it definitely benefitted from moving from a 2.5" Mopar exhaust to a 3" B&B knockoff.
The sho's Turbos are smaller I think...that's why they can make 20 psi if programmed correctly...not that we have the fuel for that anyway....also you dopar only had single exhaust..so do the math on dual 2.5" pipes ...it's a lot more than a single 3" pipe
Only smaller turbos I have seen were on motorcycle turbos lol
Not a whole lot though. A single 3.5" exhaust will flow better than a dual 2.5" exhaust. Single exhausts flow better than dual exhausts because they keep the exhaust gases hotter than a dual exhaust. Dual exhausts expose more surface area to the atmosphere and run cooler. Cooler air is thicker and flows less than hot air. Same reason black cars are faster than silver and white cars. ;D
Quote from: SilvererSHO on February 06, 2018, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 03, 2018, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: CaptainInsane-O on February 03, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Exactly how small? Are the turbos' specs available?
I'm coming from an SRT4 & the Skittle's turbo is pretty pretty itty bitty but it definitely benefitted from moving from a 2.5" Mopar exhaust to a 3" B&B knockoff.
The sho's Turbos are smaller I think...that's why they can make 20 psi if programmed correctly...not that we have the fuel for that anyway....also you dopar only had single exhaust..so do the math on dual 2.5" pipes ...it's a lot more than a single 3" pipe
Only smaller turbos I have seen were on motorcycle turbos lol
Not a whole lot though. A single 3.5" exhaust will flow better than a dual 2.5" exhaust. Single exhausts flow better than dual exhausts because they keep the exhaust gases hotter than a dual exhaust. Dual exhausts expose more surface area to the atmosphere and run cooler. Cooler air is thicker and flows less than hot air. Same reason black cars are faster than silver and white cars. ;D
3" pipe would have about 28% reduction in area so I don't know if I would say "not a whole lot though"...I don't know that the temp of the pipe after the turbos matter much, I think you are reaching there
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 06, 2018, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: SilvererSHO on February 06, 2018, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 03, 2018, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: CaptainInsane-O on February 03, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Exactly how small? Are the turbos' specs available?
I'm coming from an SRT4 & the Skittle's turbo is pretty pretty itty bitty but it definitely benefitted from moving from a 2.5" Mopar exhaust to a 3" B&B knockoff.
The sho's Turbos are smaller I think...that's why they can make 20 psi if programmed correctly...not that we have the fuel for that anyway....also you dopar only had single exhaust..so do the math on dual 2.5" pipes ...it's a lot more than a single 3" pipe
Only smaller turbos I have seen were on motorcycle turbos lol
Not a whole lot though. A single 3.5" exhaust will flow better than a dual 2.5" exhaust. Single exhausts flow better than dual exhausts because they keep the exhaust gases hotter than a dual exhaust. Dual exhausts expose more surface area to the atmosphere and run cooler. Cooler air is thicker and flows less than hot air. Same reason black cars are faster than silver and white cars. ;D
3" pipe would have about 28% reduction in area so I don't know if I would say "not a whole lot though"...I don't know that the temp of the pipe after the turbos matter much, I think you are reaching there
Don't forget about the additional surface turbulence impeding flow on the dual exhaust. I'm not saying a 3" single and a dual 2 1/2" flow the same but the flow difference may actually be only half of the 28% area reduction in the real world. 14% is approaching the "not a whole lot though" category. My best guess is all....someone more edjumacated in flow dynamics would have to chime in I guess.
the cooling of exhaust gas post turbo will effect the exhaust over all efficiency due to as silver said denser gases. the cooler the gas the denser , the more force it takes to move the less efficient the flow. that being said the laws of turbos show that you want good velocity accross the turbine to allow more gas to mechanical work exchange. if it flows to fast you will loose exchanged work and if it goes to slow you will not build boost. these is a fine line. also there are two forces at work, volume and velocity, if you maintain pipe size you will increase one with the other but if you increase pipe size you can "move" more volume but you lower your velocity. the old finger over the hose trick. when you cover half the end of the hose with your finger you are increasing velocity but the volume doesnt change because the hose valve is the same. increasing exhaust pipe after the turbo is fine line. it would be better to remove restriction to help performance before increasing pipe size. imho