My install will begin this evening ...
I do all of my own installs as I used to be a Heavy Equipment Diesel Mechanic .
This is not a "how to" but I will point out the differences between my install and BigMac's .
Thank's to BigMac for the super deal on this .
I had the upper pipes refinished in RED to go with my LOOK .
Despite the obvious color choice the main thing is my setup uses a TIAL BOV to replace the dual OEM BOV's.
4DR sent me new RED silicone connectors as well .
A few pics of the part's and I'll be back later with more info and installed pic's.
before ... shipped courtesy of BigMac
(https://i.imgur.com/i9Vdcruh.jpg)
After
(https://i.imgur.com/ga282nph.jpg)
Oh boy! (rubbing hands in glee) :D
God damn it...... I am jealous...lol
Can't wait to see install pics
That red is sweet looking.
Very good! Been waiting to see the scheme you got start to take shape.
What is the difference/advantage to the tial BOV vs the factory??
I like the tial and if ever ready for XSport that is what I like visually.... But what are the differences?
Quote from: bigmoneycloser on March 19, 2014, 07:54:38 PM
What is the difference/advantage to the tial BOV vs the factory??
I like the tial and if ever ready for XSport that is what I like visually.... But what are the differences?
There is no proven performance advantage. The TIAL is spring (pressure) activated and the OEM BOVs are electrically activated. If the rearmost OEM BOV is unplugged you throw a CEL. Mike was working on a resistor to fix this, but ever finished when he traded his Flex. So the rear BOV must be left plugged in and can be secured with a zip tie or something under the engine cover. Considerations are discussed in my install post of factory BOV hotpipes here:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2248.msg32460#msg32460 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2248.msg32460#msg32460)
Otherwise they are both prove to prevent boost leaks even at tuned or upgraded turbo boost pressures.... and they are aesthetically sexy when you open the hood. These are the only two reasons to do hotpipes currently proven.
What was your deciding factor to go with factor vs tial?
Damn, that's sexy. Can't wait for pics and video!!
Quote from: bigmoneycloser on March 19, 2014, 08:44:02 PM
What was your deciding factor to go with factor vs tial?
It's not completely rational for me... I didn't want something potentially rattling around underhood, even though it has not been reported as a problem, and I just said to myself that there must have been a reason the designers and engineers did it with two that are connected to/controlled by the ECU..... I can't prove that it makes any other difference going either way except perhaps blow off sound. Either way the system ends up VTA. It's just a little PFfffft. I know bpd went with OEM BOVs on his EBPP hotpies 'cuz we PM'd about it... maybe he'll chime in.
looks great!
Tial's look cool, that's about the only advantage on stock turbos, on ATP's I don't know if the stock e-bov can handle 20+ PSI of boost but so far BPD's have worked fine at 18psi.
I wanted an aftermarket BoV :)
Kevin... How did it go? ... Waiting... :popcorn: We all wanna see the transformation!
Sorry Guys , wasn't able to get started last night as planned ...
8 & 10 mm 1/4 standard and deep sockets / 8 & 10 mm ratchet wrenches make for a relatively easy install
Stubby flat tip screwdriver as well .
Here are some pics and I'll add a few tips and thoughts later .,..
None with Engine Cover ... hope to have it back soon ..
Front OEM BOV disconnected and loose wire wrapped in Rubber Electrical tape and secured to main harness
(https://i.imgur.com/NnOtpDAh.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/1JG9Nu2h.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/FQtVaFkh.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Tmab7dlh.jpg)
Lower IC to front Turbo Pipe was left black (clamp adjusted/retightened after pic) can't see it any with AirAid CAI installed
(https://i.imgur.com/TKDknuOh.jpg)
front OEM BOV removed and plug and harness taped with rubber electrical tape and attached to main harness
(https://i.imgur.com/L4tWYAQh.jpg)
Rear OEM BOV Plugged in hanging from engine cover post until I figure out a way to unplug and not throw CEL ... only applies to 13+models
(https://i.imgur.com/z8dXb2bh.jpg)
Inlet for meth nozzle temporarily plugged (not shown ) till I get proper fitting .
(https://i.imgur.com/aseYaLOh.jpg)
With the Tial BOV setup I am fairly certain My RX evac system will have to be mounted somewhere else , I am considering mounting it on the side of the AirAid CAI Box .
I wont know for sure until my Engine cover comes back
Sick!
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Marvelous engine bay you have there, sir! Salute!
Thanks for the pics! Really is quite a transformation. Excellent job with the front BoV securing method... really hard to pic out! With the cover the back one won't be visible.
That looks fantastic...excuse me while I wipe the drool off my laptop...
...there, that's better. Any progress with a video for the Tial BOVs??
Thnx!
Quote from: JimiJak on March 27, 2014, 06:44:51 PM
That looks fantastic...excuse me while I wipe the drool off my laptop...
...there, that's better. Any progress with a video for the Tial BOVs??
Thnx!
Just FYI.... with the TIAL there is only one BoV locxated in the new location seen in SW's pics
Quote from: Tom@ecoboostperformance on March 27, 2014, 07:53:53 PM
Looks great! I bet the hydrodipped carbon fiber engine cover would look really cool on there, too.
Yes it will when it gets here ... hopefully PCP gets my CUSTOM one to me next week .
Quote from: SwampRat on March 09, 2014, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: SwampRat on March 07, 2014, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: SwampRat on March 06, 2014, 12:04:35 PM
I've decided to Go the Hydro Dip route for my Engine cover and am awaiting a reply from PCP .
Not 100 % Sure of the look yet but will be RED with some type of print and the SHO and Ecoboost lettering done in High Gloss Black [/b].
I got the quote from PCP and am going to Ship my cover to them .
It will be a Hydro Dipped Carbon Fiber print in RED with High Gloss Black Lettering.
I already committed to this before 4DR started his other Post .
I will put up pics when I get it back ...
Chris at PCP just sent an invoice to me and and I paid him via PayPal .
I'm going to ship the engine cover off to him tomorrow .
It'll be a Custom one-of job and I'll be anxiously waiting to get it back .
I'll post pics when I get it unless Chris wants to torture me and post pics before they pack to ship back to me ! !
very nice !
it's going to look killer with the hydrodipped engine cover on !
Probably only a few folks here might be able to help on this .
Since HotPipe and Tial Install I DO NOT hear the BOV operating .
I hooked the BOV vaccum to the Brake Booster Line with a T .
Everything seems to be working just don't hear the BOV releasing pressure as before with VTA mod ??
Tail vaccum fitting hooked to 3/8 ID inner braided fuel line to T on Brake Booster line ..
RX vent line temporarily capped ..
(https://i.imgur.com/h5SWWKah.jpg)
3/8 ID braided inner fuel line to T Brass fittings in Brake Booster Line
(https://i.imgur.com/rU9ATV6h.jpg)
IC to TB HotPipe for Tial BOV backside , meth/nitrous bung is now plugged with 5/16 fine thread stainless steel bolt and washers .
" May use later "
(https://i.imgur.com/49YYoAsh.jpg)
This is my first un-NA engine, so forgive my newbness here...but thought I would offer my $0.02. Plus, it's more of a question than anything. :)
Is it possible the BOV spring is too heavy / not enough pressure from the blow-off to open the valve?
Its a Tial BV50 and came with white spring , Spring pressure is -9.00psi.
Hoping 4DRHTRD chimes in .... he sells the kit .
And what kind of 'let-off' pressures are you likely to see with stock turbos?
Also, Is that directly correlated with the psi you're creating?
ie. if I spool up 15lbs and let off the gas, ending the boost cycle, are the BOVs met with all 15lbs, or would it only be a percentage of that, that is 'blown-off'?
THANKS!
Damn that looks great
Quote from: JimiJak on March 27, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
And what kind of 'let-off' pressures are you likely to see with stock turbos?
Also, Is that directly correlated with the psi you're creating?
ie. if I spool up 15lbs and let off the gas, ending the boost cycle, are the BOVs met with all 15lbs, or would it only be a percentage of that, that is 'blown-off'?
THANKS!
The springs are available in different resistances... after the boost cycle the blowoff opens at 8 psi.. that can be changed.
For right now, just pick your eye candy/ear candy. No demonstrable difference in performance of one aftermarket spring actuated BOV like this vs. two electrically controlled BOVs (OEM BOV setup) can be found for these hotpipes.
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 27, 2014, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: JimiJak on March 27, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
And what kind of 'let-off' pressures are you likely to see with stock turbos?
Also, Is that directly correlated with the psi you're creating?
ie. if I spool up 15lbs and let off the gas, ending the boost cycle, are the BOVs met with all 15lbs, or would it only be a percentage of that, that is 'blown-off'?
THANKS!
The springs are available in different resistances... after the boost cycle the blowoff opens at 8 psi.. that can be changed.
For right now, just pick your eye candy/ear candy. No demonstrable difference in performance of one aftermarket spring actuated BOV like this vs. two electrically controlled BOVs (OEM BOV setup) can be found for these hotpipes.
That all makes sense.
Just seems like if you have a spring that requires more tension to open it than what you're blowing off, that it wouldn't open the valve. So I wondered if that could have anything to do with swamprats problem.
Also, on a side note; is it possible to attach the tail bov to stock charge pipes, or is this more of a hot pipes specific application?
Quote from: JimiJak on March 27, 2014, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 27, 2014, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: JimiJak on March 27, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
And what kind of 'let-off' pressures are you likely to see with stock turbos?
Also, Is that directly correlated with the psi you're creating?
ie. if I spool up 15lbs and let off the gas, ending the boost cycle, are the BOVs met with all 15lbs, or would it only be a percentage of that, that is 'blown-off'?
THANKS!
The springs are available in different resistances... after the boost cycle the blowoff opens at 8 psi.. that can be changed.
For right now, just pick your eye candy/ear candy. No demonstrable difference in performance of one aftermarket spring actuated BOV like this vs. two electrically controlled BOVs (OEM BOV setup) can be found for these hotpipes.
That all makes sense.
Just seems like if you have a spring that requires more tension to open it than what you're blowing off, that it wouldn't open the valve. So I wondered if that could have anything to do with swamprats problem.
Also, on a side note; is it possible to attach the tail bov to stock charge pipes, or is this more of a hot pipes specific application?
I think working the plastic pipes (which BTW are vert restrictive) would be a nightmare... new fabbing in plastic is a 2-3 place move for the decimal point in increased dollars, but if you've got the bucks (Mike looked into it) Also the weight and axis of the weight on the much larger TIAL BOV would be hard to support in the plastic to prevent a twisting force on the plastic... which can leak anyway. Plus if your thinking more boost... fix the leaks proactively.
Both setups still just go PFFFFT when you roll off the throttle... maybe a little louder on the TIAL, but both setups are VTA.
What problem are you asking about? ...I guess I had a senior moment and missed it.
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 27, 2014, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: JimiJak on March 27, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
And what kind of 'let-off' pressures are you likely to see with stock turbos?
Also, Is that directly correlated with the psi you're creating?
ie. if I spool up 15lbs and let off the gas, ending the boost cycle, are the BOVs met with all 15lbs, or would it only be a percentage of that, that is 'blown-off'?
THANKS!
The springs are available in different resistances... after the boost cycle the blowoff opens at 8 psi.. that can be changed.
For right now, just pick your eye candy/ear candy. No demonstrable difference in performance of one aftermarket spring actuated BOV like this vs. two electrically controlled BOVs (OEM BOV setup) can be found for these hotpipes.
Yes to an extent this is true , but the main reason I went with the Tial BOV is because of the ability to handle the high boost pressure that the ATP's can deliver . The OEM E BOV's will not handle the higher PSI.
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 27, 2014, 11:16:19 PM
Both setups still just go PFFFFT when you roll off the throttle... maybe a little louder on the TIAL, but both setups are VTA.
What problem are you asking about? ...I guess I had a senior moment and missed it.
No roll off blow off at all as I had before with VTA on OEM setup .
Quote from: SwampRat on March 27, 2014, 11:23:50 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 27, 2014, 11:16:19 PM
Both setups still just go PFFFFT when you roll off the throttle... maybe a little louder on the TIAL, but both setups are VTA.
What problem are you asking about? ...I guess I had a senior moment and missed it.
No roll off blow off at all as I had before with VTA on OEM setup .
Hmmmm, see the concern now.... I'll have to think about that... I think it should, that pressure has to go somewhere, unless the opening is big enough not to make a big noise... Now I'm wishing 4DR would chime in
The tial is quiet, it's not super super loud. The spring pressure isn't related to boost pressure it's related to vacuum pressure when idling.
http://www.tialsport.com/documents/w3_tial_qqr_sp.pdf (http://www.tialsport.com/documents/w3_tial_qqr_sp.pdf)
The only thing that really made my car intake loud was when I was using my UBI intake setup and had the air filter in the driver's inner fender.
BTW, you can test it. Open the hood and put the car in drive and power brake until you get boost and release. Have someone stand to the side of the vehicle and watch for the big plunger to open up (or you might hear it).
If you don't have a second person figure a way to video with your phone and look for it.
The only thing else I can think of is there's a check valve in that line you tapped, I used it for my Flex but it was a 2011. Hook up a cheap vacuum gauge and verify you're building boost and then vacuum on that line. You can pick up a cheap vacuum/boost tester for like $15 at AutoZone.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 28, 2014, 12:44:31 AM
BTW, you can test it. Open the hood and put the car in drive and power brake until you get boost and release. Have someone stand to the side of the vehicle and watch for the big plunger to open up (or you might hear it).
If you don't have a second person figure a way to video with your phone and look for it.
The only thing else I can think of is there's a check valve in that line you tapped, I used it for my Flex but it was a 2011. Hook up a cheap vacuum gauge and verify you're building boost and then vacuum on that line. You can pick up a cheap vacuum/boost tester for like $15 at AutoZone.
Help !I Did not even think about BOV at idle . I Definitely have vaccum at idle . On start up BOV opens and stays open in Park , that does not make sense . I'm thinking I may not have the T in correct line.
Never mind, it should be open - brain fart.
It's at max vacuum and therefore will be open.
If you give it gas does it close? If so working as designed.
What color spring do you have (you'll need to open the BoV to find out) or read off the box as well. :)
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 28, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
What color spring do you have (you'll need to open the BoV to find out) or read off the box as well. :)
It is white .
Quote from: SwampRat on March 28, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 28, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
What color spring do you have (you'll need to open the BoV to find out) or read off the box as well. :)
It is white .
Can you measure your vacuum at idle?
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 28, 2014, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: SwampRat on March 28, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 28, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
What color spring do you have (you'll need to open the BoV to find out) or read off the box as well. :)
It is white .
Can you measure your vacuum at idle?
I'll have to get a tester ...
Can't do that till I get back home next week .
Do you have torque or any other data logging device? You can get vacuum from those.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on March 28, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
Do you have torque or any other data logging device? You can get vacuum from those.
Yup ....... Brain fart on all as well , stuff not clicking. I guess then once it is put in drive , vaccum drops and BOV closes then ?
I Can measure boost and Vaccum with the the SCT iTSX , I guess I need to get on the ball and put Torque Pro on the Tablet as well . I've got the MX adapter , just haven't messed with it yet .
I'll do the above and recheck all when I get back home next week , SHO's in the garage .
I Should have updated this a while back ..... everything operating as it should.
What is the red thing off the red hot pipe near the throttle body? My flex doesn't have that.
Quote from: Josephm on April 09, 2014, 11:41:46 PM
What is the red thing off the red hot pipe near the throttle body? My flex doesn't have that.
Aftermarket Tial Blow Off Valve to handle high boost above 20 psi .
I'm Definitely liking the RED Hotpipes and TIAL BOV PICS. Z :)
This is a super old thread. I have SwampRat's old pipes in my car, and they are now black. Sorry to disappoint. BOV is still red.
Quote from: hawkeye93 on November 14, 2017, 08:07:06 PM
This is a super old thread. I have SwampRat's old pipes in my car, and they are now black. Sorry to disappoint. BOV is still red.
No sweat! thought navbtcret originally painted them Flat Black! Z