It appears LME is changing their tuning device? Are they also changing the software they use to write the tunes as well? What I am asking, is last time you changed devices it was required to get the new device to use the new tunes. Will this be the case again? I also see on the advertisement picture there is a datalog option as well...
Questions:
1: Will new tunes that are released require the new tuner?
2: If you currently have the old hypertech style device, will there be a trade in program for the new one?
Thank you!
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Just spoke to Dave over a LMS...
The old style tuner we have now will still work with updated tunes according to him. It is not required to update the tuning device to support new tunes.
I am curious about the functionality of the new device, maybe LME can do a video of what the new device has to offer?
Got a bit more clarification this morning...
1: The new device for sure will do live displays of up to 6 different parameters.. Jake from LMS is going to provide me a list of what is viewable.
2: There will be NO trade in allowance with the old device. They will not be selling the old devices so there is no value to LMS.
3: The old devices are still supported (resale value is still there)
4: Datalogging will be an option which you will be able to send to LMS for troubleshooting and tune changes(not sure how much they will change)
Assuming I can monitor the typical ford pids, this is a done deal for me...
Hopefully whoever is monitoring this section from LMS can chime in and help clarify any points I have made for the forum.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 09, 2018, 09:16:20 AM
Got a bit more clarification this morning...
1: The new device for sure will do live displays of up to 6 different parameters.. Jake from LMS is going to provide me a list of what is viewable.
2: There will be NO trade in allowance with the old device. They will not be selling the old devices so there is no value to LMS.
3: The old devices are still supported (resale value is still there)
4: Datalogging will be an option which you will be able to send to LMS for troubleshooting and tune changes(not sure how much they will change)
Assuming I can monitor the typical ford pids, this is a done deal for me...
Hopefully whoever is monitoring this section from LMS can chime in and help clarify any points I have made for the forum.
Post many details when you buy and tune good sir! I will be diverting some tax refunds to a LMS box next year in addition to hard pipes..
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Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 09, 2018, 09:16:20 AM
Got a bit more clarification this morning...
1: The new device for sure will do live displays of up to 6 different parameters.. Jake from LMS is going to provide me a list of what is viewable.
2: There will be NO trade in allowance with the old device. They will not be selling the old devices so there is no value to LMS.
3: The old devices are still supported (resale value is still there)
4: Datalogging will be an option which you will be able to send to LMS for troubleshooting and tune changes(not sure how much they will change)
Assuming I can monitor the typical ford pids, this is a done deal for me...
Hopefully whoever is monitoring this section from LMS can chime in and help clarify any points I have made for the forum.
Post many details when you buy and tune good sir! I will be diverting some tax refunds to a LMS box next year in addition to hard pipes..
I am hoping to have one in hand by the end of the week. As usual.. I will post a snore inducing review of the hardware.. as I usually do!
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Why yes... yes... yes... I expect a full detailed review before mine arrives.
Ha. It's nice. I like it a lot. Have had it for a while now.
Admittedly, I need to drive my SHO more to take full advantage of it.
And regrettably, my SHO is being reclassified through my insurance company. As of Monday, October 22nd, it will be being listed as "in storage" status. Which means no more driving it until next year, when old man winter has come and gone.
I've been waiting on the release of the IC in order to perform all of the fueling upgrades still collecting dust on my work bench.
So you'll likely have a (much more thorough, in-depth) review of this product much sooner than I. Which I'm sure the community will appreciate.
I am VERY HAPPY for LMS to see that they've brought back a touch screen device, that ALSO allows for live datalogging.
Now, truth be told, my "old" touch screen device did the same things as this current one (with the exception being the ability to upload to a cloud storage) but there are very few of those (old touch screen models) out there in existence.
I am elated to see LMS returning to a touch screen device. I predict brisk sales due to capabilities over their current offering.
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Waiting on a call back from the sales guys.. they are all in a meeting(how unhelpful of them) and are gonna call me back so I can place my order. Apparently they have a piss pot full of these ready to go...
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@BPD1151 Anyway you can provide pictures of the gauge screen? I know you are just sitting around doing nothing anyway ;-)
This is perfect as my sct got stolen the other night. Then I ordered a new one and I'm having a nightmare getting it to work. It's great as sct has been as useless as a ham sandwich at a bar matzvah.
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@BPD1151 Anyway you can provide pictures of the gauge screen? I know you are just sitting around doing nothing anyway ;-)
Sitting around doing nothing. Now that's funny.
Maybe later this evening.
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There are quite a few more features depending on the exact year and model of your ecoboost. I'm hoping LMS will chime in very shortly! So stay tuned. Z :)
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2018, 03:52:15 PM
There are quite a few more features depending on the exact year and model of your ecoboost. I'm hoping LMS will chime in very shortly! So stay tuned. Z :)
Hey guys this is cody just gonna chime in here for any questions you guys have that have not already been answered through phone calls/ emails! Everyone so far is loving the new touch screen tuner design and its fairly simple design and how to use the product, We still use our own custom software for this item with our proprietary tunes but now it allows you to data long/monitor gauges on the car such as fuel pressure, boost, ect!
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on October 09, 2018, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2018, 03:52:15 PM
There are quite a few more features depending on the exact year and model of your ecoboost. I'm hoping LMS will chime in very shortly! So stay tuned. Z :)
Hey guys this is cody just gonna chime in here for any questions you guys have that have not already been answered through phone calls/ emails! Everyone so far is loving the new touch screen tuner design and its fairly simple design and how to use the product, We still use our own custom software for this item with our proprietary tunes but now it allows you to data long/monitor gauges on the car such as fuel pressure, boost, ect!
Thanks for chiming in! Hopefully mine went out the door today. You guys should do a video going over the new features.
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I appreciate you chiming in so quickly!
I know the new Mycal plus has the ability to display gauges and can record datalogs,but does new tuner support or have options such as to adjust tire size and gear ratio adjustment option built into the tuner for the SHO/FLEX platform! Thanks again. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2018, 05:44:18 PM
I appreciate you chiming in so quickly!
I know the new Mycal plus has the ability to display gauges and can record datalogs,but does new tuner support or have options such as to adjust tire size and gear ratio adjustment option built into the tuner for the SHO/FLEX platform! Thanks again. Z
From what i know it does not, we can look into it in a future date but as of today it does not have the ability to do that
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on October 10, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2018, 05:44:18 PM
I appreciate you chiming in so quickly!
I know the new Mycal plus has the ability to display gauges and can record datalogs,but does new tuner support or have options such as to adjust tire size and gear ratio adjustment option built into the tuner for the SHO/FLEX platform! Thanks again. Z
From what i know it does not, we can look into it in a future date but as of today it does not have the ability to do that
Not sure if you can answer this now or not... HOWEVER.. with the ability to datalog, will you be able to make adjustments to modifications remotely? This would alleviate the need to drive to LMS for dyno sessions for modifications such a IC upgrades, Turbos, etc..
Or is it strictly at this point a troubleshooting method if people are experiencing issues?
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Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on October 10, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2018, 05:44:18 PM
I appreciate you chiming in so quickly!
I know the new Mycal plus has the ability to display gauges and can record datalogs,but does new tuner support or have options such as to adjust tire size and gear ratio adjustment option built into the tuner for the SHO/FLEX platform! Thanks again. Z
From what i know it does not, we can look into it in a future date but as of today it does not have the ability to do that
Not sure if you can answer this now or not... HOWEVER.. with the ability to datalog, will you be able to make adjustments to modifications remotely? This would alleviate the need to drive to LMS for dyno sessions for modifications such a IC upgrades, Turbos, etc..
Or is it strictly at this point a troubleshooting method if people are experiencing issues?
At this point it is for troubleshooting but in the future that seems something we could definitely do!
I'm curious now that we know it doesn't utilize data logging like SCT. Are you still going to hawk all your stuff so you can monitor your LMS tune with some touch screen buttons sbs ?
Quote from: 802SHO on October 10, 2018, 12:11:07 PM
I'm curious now that we know it doesn't utilize data logging like SCT. Are you still going to hawk all your stuff so you can monitor your LMS tune with some touch screen buttons sbs ?
I have already sold off the SCT Tuner. I talked to LMS yesterday about the datalogging capabilities and Vince(iirc) who was one of the guys who spear headed the development of the product assured me that the datalogging capabilities of the new LMS programmer will be robust. The product will dump everything out to a CSV file that can be mapped, analyzed, etc...
While they are not using SCT according to LMS, if the resulting output is a CSV file, it can be manipulated to load up into livelink for analysis. It would be nice to get a full list of available PIDS that can be logged, but I should have the device in hand tomorrow so my curiosity will soon be sated.
Worst case scenario is that I pull out my old X3 which is fully capable of datalogging, however, unless LMS completely misses the boat with this product, I am sure it will be able to provide the data I need/desire.
IMHO this is the product that finally rounds out the LMS offerings for future and further development. If they are able to gather data from people who run their tunes remotely, I would image they can speed up the tuning cycle to offer more tuning options with faster updates instead of waiting for customers to get on their dyno. This is the same process that SCT based tuning shops do today. Tuners likes GH, AJPturbo, BCB, and Unleashed get massive amounts of data from their customers to work with and quickly are able to figure out what works and what doesn't with new modifications.
One of the biggest complaints about LMS tunes from customers I have seen is the lack of datalogging with their older device. Granted, most people can't read them because they don't want to deal with it or want to learn it.. but the comfort of knowing if they think there is an issue of grabbing the data and sending it to their tuner is a big plus.
Are you interested in my current MyCalibrator.. If you want it let me know.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 10, 2018, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on October 10, 2018, 12:11:07 PM
I'm curious now that we know it doesn't utilize data logging like SCT. Are you still going to hawk all your stuff so you can monitor your LMS tune with some touch screen buttons sbs ?
I have already sold off the SCT Tuner. I talked to LMS yesterday about the datalogging capabilities and Vince(iirc) who was one of the guys who spear headed the development of the product assured me that the datalogging capabilities of the new LMS programmer will be robust. The product will dump everything out to a CSV file that can be mapped, analyzed, etc...
While they are not using SCT according to LMS, if the resulting output is a CSV file, it can be manipulated to load up into livelink for analysis. It would be nice to get a full list of available PIDS that can be logged, but I should have the device in hand tomorrow so my curiosity will soon be sated.
Worst case scenario is that I pull out my old X3 which is fully capable of datalogging, however, unless LMS completely misses the boat with this product, I am sure it will be able to provide the data I need/desire.
IMHO this is the product that finally rounds out the LMS offerings for future and further development. If they are able to gather data from people who run their tunes remotely, I would image they can speed up the tuning cycle to offer more tuning options with faster updates instead of waiting for customers to get on their dyno. This is the same process that SCT based tuning shops do today. Tuners likes GH, AJPturbo, BCB, and Unleashed get massive amounts of data from their customers to work with and quickly are able to figure out what works and what doesn't with new modifications.
One of the biggest complaints about LMS tunes from customers I have seen is the lack of datalogging with their older device. Granted, most people can't read them because they don't want to deal with it or want to learn it.. but the comfort of knowing if they think there is an issue of grabbing the data and sending it to their tuner is a big plus.
Are you interested in my current MyCalibrator.. If you want it let me know.
I already own one. I've ran their tunes for a couple years until this summer. I'm sceptical about the new programmer so I guess I'll wait and see what it does for you. It sounds good and everything. Only time will tell.
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on October 10, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2018, 05:44:18 PM
I appreciate you chiming in so quickly!
I know the new Mycal plus has the ability to display gauges and can record datalogs,but does new tuner support or have options such as to adjust tire size and gear ratio adjustment option built into the tuner for the SHO/FLEX platform! Thanks again. Z
From what i know it does not, we can look into it in a future date but as of today it does not have the ability to do that
I wouldn't be surprised if its readily available on the F -150 platform! Thanks for the update. Z :)
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Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on October 10, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2018, 05:44:18 PM
I appreciate you chiming in so quickly!
I know the new Mycal plus has the ability to display gauges and can record datalogs,but does new tuner support or have options such as to adjust tire size and gear ratio adjustment option built into the tuner for the SHO/FLEX platform! Thanks again. Z
From what i know it does not, we can look into it in a future date but as of today it does not have the ability to do that
I wouldn't be surprised if its readily available on the F -150 platform! Thanks for the update. Z :)
That it is! Many people are already using this feature on the f-150 platform!
Thanks LMS!
Time to play!
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Thanks LMS!
Time to play!
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Sweet glad you got it! I know your pretty good with this kind of thing but if you need any help dont hesitate to call me or anthony and we will help you out!
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Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 11, 2018, 12:42:48 PM
Thanks LMS!
Time to play!
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Sweet glad you got it! I know your pretty good with this kind of thing but if you need any help dont hesitate to call me or anthony and we will help you out!
I already called and Jake(?) said he passed along the serial numbers from my old mycal and my new mycal to Anthony to you guys can push the tunes to the new device... waiting on an email to let me know I can start updating both devices... I guess I need the stock tune pushed back onto my Mycal so the new mycalibrator can pull it off the car.. anyway.. waiting to hear back from Anthony. Thanks though for the support.
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Thanks LMS!
Time to play!
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Sweet glad you got it! I know your pretty good with this kind of thing but if you need any help dont hesitate to call me or anthony and we will help you out!
I already called and Jake(?) said he passed along the serial numbers from my old mycal and my new mycal to Anthony to you guys can push the tunes to the new device... waiting on an email to let me know I can start updating both devices... I guess I need the stock tune pushed back onto my Mycal so the new mycalibrator can pull it off the car.. anyway.. waiting to hear back from Anthony. Thanks though for the support.
Yup we are already working on it now just remember it does take some time for these files to be written and triple checked before being sent to each of our customers with these tunes! We will get this done as quick as we can!
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Thanks LMS!
Time to play!
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Sweet glad you got it! I know your pretty good with this kind of thing but if you need any help dont hesitate to call me or anthony and we will help you out!
I already called and Jake(?) said he passed along the serial numbers from my old mycal and my new mycal to Anthony to you guys can push the tunes to the new device... waiting on an email to let me know I can start updating both devices... I guess I need the stock tune pushed back onto my Mycal so the new mycalibrator can pull it off the car.. anyway.. waiting to hear back from Anthony. Thanks though for the support.
Yup we are already working on it now just remember it does take some time for these files to be written and triple checked before being sent to each of our customers with these tunes! We will get this done as quick as we can!
Sounds good. I was perusing the device... do you by chance have a user guide for this device? Something that goes into detail on the available PIDS, datalogging, etc.. I can figure it out but if you already have one that would be nice.
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Thanks LMS!
Time to play!
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Sweet glad you got it! I know your pretty good with this kind of thing but if you need any help dont hesitate to call me or anthony and we will help you out!
I already called and Jake(?) said he passed along the serial numbers from my old mycal and my new mycal to Anthony to you guys can push the tunes to the new device... waiting on an email to let me know I can start updating both devices... I guess I need the stock tune pushed back onto my Mycal so the new mycalibrator can pull it off the car.. anyway.. waiting to hear back from Anthony. Thanks though for the support.
Yup we are already working on it now just remember it does take some time for these files to be written and triple checked before being sent to each of our customers with these tunes! We will get this done as quick as we can!
Sounds good. I was perusing the device... do you by chance have a user guide for this device? Something that goes into detail on the available PIDS, datalogging, etc.. I can figure it out but if you already have one that would be nice.
As of now no we are still working on this and it will be released in the future
I would speak with Anthony over @ LMS ! He is a good guy and always has done the right thing. Z
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I would speak with Anthony over @ LMS ! He is a good guy and always has done the right thing. Z
I am working with him, and I agree he is really good.
Old thread but maybe someone who has used the new tuner can answer a couple of questions. I have one for my Mustang but haven't used it yet due to non-stop snow and the car being in hibernation. Flashing the tune will be simple enough but has anyone done any datalogging with the new device? I am familiar with SCT and Livelink but I am not sure about how to use the Livernois tuner for that.
Also, I realize to flash the tune, the car ignition is on but not running. To display the gauges, however, do I start the car and then touch "diagnostics and tools?" I am sure that when I actually use this device, it will be obvious but since there is no user manual that I know of, I thought maybe someone could share their experience with the new tuner.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 11, 2019, 09:40:59 AM
Old thread but maybe someone who has used the new tuner can answer a couple of questions. I have one for my Mustang but haven't used it yet due to non-stop snow and the car being in hibernation. Flashing the tune will be simple enough but has anyone done any datalogging with the new device? I am familiar with SCT and Livelink but I am not sure about how to use the Livernois tuner for that.
Also, I realize to flash the tune, the car ignition is on but not running. To display the gauges, however, do I start the car and then touch "diagnostics and tools?" I am sure that when I actually use this device, it will be obvious but since there is no user manual that I know of, I thought maybe someone could share their experience with the new tuner.
I have a write up somewhere... but to answer your questions...
1: Yes, I have done data logging with the LMS device. Being as it's still in BETA it's rather painful and not informative at this point. The resolution is in the tenths of a second which is too slow, and you can only data log 6 pids at a time. The resulting information is dumped into a CSV file that you need to use excel to build the graphs. Not hard, but not as easy as SCT makes it.
2: Start the car, go into diag and tools, and then select data logging. You will see 6 spots on the screen the to load pids into. Select the spot, navigate through the available pids, and select which one you want to monitor. Be warned that a lot of the pids will come back unsupported. You will want a stylus for this as the print is very small and using your fingers to select is difficult.
3: Until this feature is polished and finished I would use your SCT device to monitor. As well as log for that matter.
I talked to Andy one of their tuners about it. They are working on building the PID list as they are customizing the PIDs and manually building them. It will take time for that... if you have questions please feel free to PM me.
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Thanks for ypu help. I probably will not datalog the Mustang, anyway....at least not on public roads. I am getting a flex fuel tune and in a video, Dan showed the gauges and it displayed the percentage of ethanol in the fuel. That is mostly what I am interested in. I would also like to see the amount of spark advance so hopefully it will show that. The Mustang already has an A/F gauge.
Quote from: Brucelinc on March 11, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
Thanks for ypu help. I probably will not datalog the Mustang, anyway....at least not on public roads. I am getting a flex fuel tune and in a video, Dan showed the gauges and it displayed the percentage of ethanol in the fuel. That is mostly what I am interested in. I would also like to see the amount of spark advance so hopefully it will show that. The Mustang already has an A/F gauge.
Does the Mustang already have a ethanol analyzer in it? Would be cool if it does!
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Quote from: Brucelinc on March 11, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
Thanks for ypu help. I probably will not datalog the Mustang, anyway....at least not on public roads. I am getting a flex fuel tune and in a video, Dan showed the gauges and it displayed the percentage of ethanol in the fuel. That is mostly what I am interested in. I would also like to see the amount of spark advance so hopefully it will show that. The Mustang already has an A/F gauge.
Does the Mustang already have a ethanol analyzer in it? Would be cool if it does!
On the Mustang 5.0L we have enabled the flex fuel logic that allows the vehicle to adjust on the fly for changes in ethanol content. So on Bruce's Mustang he can go into the Fuel category and scroll down to PM which displays the ethanol percentage it's seeing at that time. This logic has not been enabled on the EcoBoost vehicles so that feature is not currently available on the EB.
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Quote from: Brucelinc on March 11, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
Thanks for ypu help. I probably will not datalog the Mustang, anyway....at least not on public roads. I am getting a flex fuel tune and in a video, Dan showed the gauges and it displayed the percentage of ethanol in the fuel. That is mostly what I am interested in. I would also like to see the amount of spark advance so hopefully it will show that. The Mustang already has an A/F gauge.
Does the Mustang already have a ethanol analyzer in it? Would be cool if it does!
On the Mustang 5.0L we have enabled the flex fuel logic that allows the vehicle to adjust on the fly for changes in ethanol content. So on Bruce's Mustang he can go into the Fuel category and scroll down to PM which displays the ethanol percentage it's seeing at that time. This logic has not been enabled on the EcoBoost vehicles so that feature is not currently available on the EB.
So the 5.0L have an ethanol sensor stock?
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Quote from: StealBlueSHO on March 11, 2019, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on March 11, 2019, 03:39:51 PM
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Quote from: Brucelinc on March 11, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
Thanks for ypu help. I probably will not datalog the Mustang, anyway....at least not on public roads. I am getting a flex fuel tune and in a video, Dan showed the gauges and it displayed the percentage of ethanol in the fuel. That is mostly what I am interested in. I would also like to see the amount of spark advance so hopefully it will show that. The Mustang already has an A/F gauge.
Does the Mustang already have a ethanol analyzer in it? Would be cool if it does!
On the Mustang 5.0L we have enabled the flex fuel logic that allows the vehicle to adjust on the fly for changes in ethanol content. So on Bruce's Mustang he can go into the Fuel category and scroll down to PM which displays the ethanol percentage it's seeing at that time. This logic has not been enabled on the EcoBoost vehicles so that feature is not currently available on the EB.
So the 5.0L have an ethanol sensor stock?
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No, only GM used an ethanol content sensor. These vehicles use other methods to determine ethanol content. It's inferred logic just like all of the other factory flex fuel Ford vehicles.
It will be very handy to be able to run 93 or E85 or any mixture of the two. According to their video, with their flex fuel tune, just going from 93 to E85 is worth around 17 HP and 17 lbs/ft of torque. 453 hp and 427 torque at the wheels. The Mustang is already pretty well tuned from the factory so the gains aren't like we see on an ecoboost but this should take it up a notch.
I loaded up the flex tune in my Mustang. I only had 93 in the tank but it feels pretty good. The shifts are very quick and firm even in the normal drive mode. With cold pavement and street tires, I haven't done any WOT runs but I think the tune is going to be a nice upgrade. It barks the tires pretty good on the first two shifts even at around 1/2 throttle.
Problem: When I attempted to show the gauges, I get "PID not supported" on virtually all of the selections. I finally got RPM and PM (% of ethanol) to show but only for about 4 seconds and then it says "PID not supported." To further complicate things, I did add about 5 gallons of E85 to approximately 2 gallons of 93 that was in the tank. I drove around for at least 1/2 hour but my A/F ratio is still at 14.2....same as on full 93. I expected it to be a bit richer (13ish?) with the additional ethanol in the tank. Full E85 should be around 10, I think. I am not sure how long it is supposed to take for the system to learn the ethanol content and adjust the A/F ratio and other parameters but it doesn't seem to have learned it yet.
I will be calling Anthony on Monday about this. He and the team at Livernois has treated me very well so I am sure we will get this ironed out. If anyone else has any ideas about the PIDs appearing to not be supported, please let me know.