Got the sho dynoed today on a heartbreaker mustang dyno. 332hp 386tq ( from what I can tell it translates to about 371hp 432tq on a dynojet. About a 12% difference)
Car is tune/e20 and drop in filter only
The stock tune was setup for e20 fuel and 3 bar map. Created 290.2hp 290.5tq
Tuned by Ajpturbo.
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 20, 2017, 06:42:29 PM
Got the sho dynoed today on a heartbreaker mustang dyno. 332hp 386tq ( from what I can tell it translates to about 371hp 432tq on a dynojet. About a 12% difference)
Car is tune/e20 and drop in filter only
Tuned by Ajpturbo.
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Great numbers!!! Any logs?
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 20, 2017, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 20, 2017, 06:42:29 PM
Got the sho dynoed today on a heartbreaker mustang dyno. 332hp 386tq ( from what I can tell it translates to about 371hp 432tq on a dynojet. About a 12% difference)
Car is tune/e20 and drop in filter only
Tuned by Ajpturbo.
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Great numbers!!! Any logs?
Couldn't log,they were plugged into the obd port for the dyno
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Dagger! Still great numbers!
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You have the AJP mod in place also, yes?
Nice!!
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F8tl, you should fire up your flywheel torque DMR, I'd be curious to compare my E30 curve VS your E20.
Nice numbers!
Quote from: SHOdded on February 20, 2017, 10:20:27 PM
You have the AJP mod in place also, yes?
No, I was having trouble getting a consistent result, I think I was relying too much on mbc to dial it in. So I took it off for now
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 20, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
F8tl, you should fire up your flywheel torque DMR, I'd be curious to compare my E30 curve VS your E20.
Yeah I want to, how much work is that to do?
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Hmmm so I assuming he used the throttle to control the boost spikes?
So we now have Derfdogs dynos which used the AJPTurbo wastegate mod and yours which don't..
Assuming 12% correction from the mustang to the dynojet.. the numbers are not much different (derfdog has full bolt ons) and power curves were not much different...
Derfdogs torque curve was a tad smoother but not by a whole lot...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 21, 2017, 07:58:15 AM
Hmmm so I assuming he used the throttle to control the boost spikes?
So we now have Derfdogs dynos which used the AJPTurbo wastegate mod and yours which don't..
Assuming 12% correction from the mustang to the dynojet.. the numbers are not much different (derfdog has full bolt ons) and power curves were not much different...
Derfdogs torque curve was a tad smoother but not by a whole lot...
Yes throttle controlled as far as I know. I'm waiting on the graph that compares my 15 psi run and my 14psi run... interesting results there. He is supposed to be emailing it to me. I saw it on the screen at the dyno
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Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 21, 2017, 07:58:15 AM
Hmmm so I assuming he used the throttle to control the boost spikes?
So we now have Derfdogs dynos which used the AJPTurbo wastegate mod and yours which don't..
Assuming 12% correction from the mustang to the dynojet.. the numbers are not much different (derfdog has full bolt ons) and power curves were not much different...
Derfdogs torque curve was a tad smoother but not by a whole lot...
Wastegate mod really shouldn't affect a 3rd gear pull anyway, no shifting.
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 21, 2017, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 21, 2017, 07:58:15 AM
Hmmm so I assuming he used the throttle to control the boost spikes?
So we now have Derfdogs dynos which used the AJPTurbo wastegate mod and yours which don't..
Assuming 12% correction from the mustang to the dynojet.. the numbers are not much different (derfdog has full bolt ons) and power curves were not much different...
Derfdogs torque curve was a tad smoother but not by a whole lot...
Wastegate mod really shouldn't affect a 3rd gear pull anyway, no shifting.
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Sure it will.. there is a boost spike in just a third gear pull... even without a gear shift...around 4300 rpms...
Every time I did a third gear pull with the wastegate mod, it would crack open... which means I'm venting the boost which is going to affect the output numbers...
Not to mention the dynamics between closing the throttle vs keeping it open... on the Ford Focus St there has been shown 30HP gains UNDER the curve.
I think it awesome we now have too similar cars, running the same tuner, one using his patented wastegate mod, and the other without.. gives a window into the improvements one might see.
Awesome work!
Came here to say it seemed pretty close to my car, AJPTurbo E20 sure is consistent haha!
We all figured CAI/Drop in filter were kinda a personal preference, so seems pretty respectable there. T-stat is more for consistancy/Knock protection so again that seems reasonable. My exhaust, as we've beat to death is a sound mod mainly.
I'm wondering the impact of the downpipes based on these results. Thats really the only major power mod that is different in our cars, and the AJP Wastegate mod, but mine was kinda a kick in the nuts on the dyno (since it was cracked most of my pull).
Corrected numbers seem like HP is about the same for both our cars, but torque is a bit higher on my end (I'll attribute that to DPs).
It'll be interesting to see the updated track times we both get. Also, do you happen to know the correction factor on your pulls?
Quote from: derfdog15 on February 21, 2017, 11:02:14 AM
Came here to say it seemed pretty close to my car, AJPTurbo E20 sure is consistent haha!
We all figured CAI/Drop in filter were kinda a personal preference, so seems pretty respectable there. T-stat is more for consistancy/Knock protection so again that seems reasonable. My exhaust, as we've beat to death is a sound mod mainly.
I'm wondering the impact of the downpipes based on these results. Thats really the only major power mod that is different in our cars, and the AJP Wastegate mod, but mine was kinda a kick in the nuts on the dyno (since it was cracked most of my pull).
Corrected numbers seem like HP is about the same for both our cars, but torque is a bit higher on my end (I'll attribute that to DPs).
It'll be interesting to see the updated track times we both get. Also, do you happen to know the correction factor on your pulls?
Not sure if there is a correction factor, I know the mustang dyno is a bit different on how the load is calculated.
My e20 15psi tune ran 12.5 with 160 iats last fall. Same tune I used on the dyno.
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 21, 2017, 04:46:11 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 20, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
F8tl, you should fire up your flywheel torque DMR, I'd be curious to compare my E30 curve VS your E20.
Yeah I want to, how much work is that to do?
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Flash back to stock, download fresh copies of livelink and the updater, hook up to the car and re-validate your pids.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 21, 2017, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 21, 2017, 04:46:11 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 20, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
F8tl, you should fire up your flywheel torque DMR, I'd be curious to compare my E30 curve VS your E20.
Yeah I want to, how much work is that to do?
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Flash back to stock, download fresh copies of livelink and the updater, hook up to the car and re-validate your pids.
So just delete livelink, download new livelink, not sure what you mean about re-validating pids? Will it automatically supply the pid that I need to log torque?
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 21, 2017, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 21, 2017, 04:46:11 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 20, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
F8tl, you should fire up your flywheel torque DMR, I'd be curious to compare my E30 curve VS your E20.
Yeah I want to, how much work is that to do?
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Flash back to stock, download fresh copies of livelink and the updater, hook up to the car and re-validate your pids.
And if that doesnt work bug him for his Config :D (I couldn't get mine to work, but his config worked for me)
I think I found what I'm supposed to... torque nm calculated engine torque
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 21, 2017, 07:29:02 PM
I think I found what I'm supposed to... torque nm calculated engine torque
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Yeah, when you add it it will say flywheel TQ on the device and logs.
Mine is a little different wording.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170222/4d5d464ae8d1b17dc5a76819fc4eba9b.jpg) which one?
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That doesn't look like a DMR...
I'm out in the car, validated, plugged in, click on the list of dmr's... this is what I got(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170222/d6db1a447a9e273df508386986ee094d.jpg)
I'm guessing it's not here
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Click show all right above ECM in that picture...then filter on top right for flywheel...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 21, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
Click show all right above ECM in that picture...then filter on top right for flywheel...
I was under the all tab before I clicked on dmr, couldn't find any tq dmr
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 21, 2017, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 21, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
Click show all right above ECM in that picture...then filter on top right for flywheel...
I was under the all tab before I clicked on dmr, couldn't find any tq dmr
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Picture might help? inbetween the second and third step you need to scroll down...
Yeah.... did exactly what you said... not a dmr in sight... I did not go back out to the car though, but on the dmr tab there was no options when I was out in the car
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Are you using a validated list? I went through the live link wizard but selected to create a list without validating. That gives you all the options... evens ones that won't work.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 21, 2017, 09:58:57 PM
Are you using a validated list? I went through the live link wizard but selected to create a list without validating. That gives you all the options... evens ones that won't work.
Yeah not validated list, 2050 total items
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When you validate the list live link will check what actual pid's are available to log then you should have access to the dmr list.
Nice numbers on the dyno but im mot familiar with the mustang dyno other than i know they read low...wish you had access to a dynojet just so we couldve seem how it compares to mine and derfs....i suspect you and derf would be real close....pretty similar spark and boost if i recall
Will be anxious to see new 1/4 miles for your car if you can get cool weather and get the iat2 closer to 100 where you wont be pulling so much spark
Were your numbers similar to miwiau?
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 22, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
When you validate the list live link will check what actual pid's are available to log then you should have access to the dmr list.
Nice numbers on the dyno but im mot familiar with the mustang dyno other than i know they read low...wish you had access to a dynojet just so we couldve seem how it compares to mine and derfs....i suspect you and derf would be real close....pretty similar spark and boost if i recall
Will be anxious to see new 1/4 miles for your car if you can get cool weather and get the iat2 closer to 100 where you wont be pulling so much spark
Were your numbers similar to miwiau?
I did validate out in the car, the engine was running not sure if that makes a difference. There was no dmrs available to click on.I'm going to the track march 31st as long as the weather is ok.
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What version of livelink?
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 22, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
What version of livelink?
Just downloaded fresh copy last night, updater and livelink.
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 22, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 22, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
When you validate the list live link will check what actual pid's are available to log then you should have access to the dmr list.
Nice numbers on the dyno but im mot familiar with the mustang dyno other than i know they read low...wish you had access to a dynojet just so we couldve seem how it compares to mine and derfs....i suspect you and derf would be real close....pretty similar spark and boost if i recall
Will be anxious to see new 1/4 miles for your car if you can get cool weather and get the iat2 closer to 100 where you wont be pulling so much spark
Were your numbers similar to miwiau?
I did validate out in the car, the engine was running not sure if that makes a difference. There was no dmrs available to click on.I'm going to the track march 31st as long as the weather is ok.
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Mine had the same issue after reflashing car to stock, resetting my X4, etc. etc. I basically did everything everyone said to and did it twice with no luck. Apparently the DMRs actually show up under PID when sorting, so that may be something to look at?
If you still have no luck, FoMoCoSHO may be able to share his config file, I ended up using his config which for sure had the flywheel torque DMR and Cylinder Heat metal temp DMR, not sure if there were others in it as well.
I think it would be interesting if MiWiAu could do one of his power under the curve excel thingies like he did for his runs and mine, would give us more to compare!
Looks like miwiau made 262hp 322tq on his 93 performance tune from ajp. I just looked at his dyno thread. That seems low compared to my numbers. I used e20 he didn't. Both on mustang dynos
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Quote from: derfdog15 on February 22, 2017, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 22, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 22, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
When you validate the list live link will check what actual pid's are available to log then you should have access to the dmr list.
Nice numbers on the dyno but im mot familiar with the mustang dyno other than i know they read low...wish you had access to a dynojet just so we couldve seem how it compares to mine and derfs....i suspect you and derf would be real close....pretty similar spark and boost if i recall
Will be anxious to see new 1/4 miles for your car if you can get cool weather and get the iat2 closer to 100 where you wont be pulling so much spark
Were your numbers similar to miwiau?
I did validate out in the car, the engine was running not sure if that makes a difference. There was no dmrs available to click on.I'm going to the track march 31st as long as the weather is ok.
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Mine had the same issue after reflashing car to stock, resetting my X4, etc. etc. I basically did everything everyone said to and did it twice with no luck. Apparently the DMRs actually show up under PID when sorting, so that may be something to look at?
If you still have no luck, FoMoCoSHO may be able to share his config file, I ended up using his config which for sure had the flywheel torque DMR and Cylinder Heat metal temp DMR, not sure if there were others in it as well.
I think it would be interesting if MiWiAu could do one of his power under the curve excel thingies like he did for his runs and mine, would give us more to compare!
I tried searching flywheel tq, nothing showed, I tried torque, I tried flywheel... nuthin...
Is there a way to use these flywheel numbers to "create" a line graph like on a dyno? I imagine horsepower could be figured out also, since horsepower is an equation using torque, rpm and 5252
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I made an excel spread sheet based on the flywheel torque data from a 3rd gear pull that I logged.
Post 255 is the full log file
Post 263 has the snips of the graphs I made
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7171.msg111341.html#msg111341 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7171.msg111341.html#msg111341)
Basically I took the rpm column, selected gear column, and flywheel torque column. Selected just the window of time from start to end of the 3rd gear pull, and graphed RPM vs. Torque. Then used the formula from MiWiAu [HP=(TQ*RPM)/5252] and created a calculated HP column. Keep in mind that the torque DMR is in Nm, so you will want to convert to ft-lb for your graph. Keep it in Nm for the HP calculation I believe.
I can post my modified log file (with the calculations in it) when I get home if you want as well.
Quote from: derfdog15 on February 22, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
I made an excel spread sheet based on the flywheel torque data from a 3rd gear pull that I logged.
Post 255 is the full log file
Post 263 has the snips of the graphs I made
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7171.msg111341.html#msg111341 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7171.msg111341.html#msg111341)
Basically I took the rpm column, selected gear column, and flywheel torque column. Selected just the window of time from start to end of the 3rd gear pull, and graphed RPM vs. Torque. Then used the formula from MiWiAu [HP=(TQ*RPM)/5252] and created a calculated HP column. Keep in mind that the torque DMR is in Nm, so you will want to convert to ft-lb for your graph. Keep it in Nm for the HP calculation I believe.
I can post my modified log file (with the calculations in it) when I get home if you want as well.
This is exactly what I was thinking!!!
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 22, 2017, 12:42:22 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on February 22, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
When you validate the list live link will check what actual pid's are available to log then you should have access to the dmr list.
Nice numbers on the dyno but im mot familiar with the mustang dyno other than i know they read low...wish you had access to a dynojet just so we couldve seem how it compares to mine and derfs....i suspect you and derf would be real close....pretty similar spark and boost if i recall
Will be anxious to see new 1/4 miles for your car if you can get cool weather and get the iat2 closer to 100 where you wont be pulling so much spark
Were your numbers similar to miwiau?
I did validate out in the car, the engine was running not sure if that makes a difference. There was no dmrs available to click on.I'm going to the track march 31st as long as the weather is ok.
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Try choosing your strategy from the list in disconnected mode.
F8TL, you've got mail!
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
F8TL, you've got mail!
i just went out and tried it, nothing showed on the gauge or the log from what i can tell
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
F8TL, you've got mail!
i just went out and tried it, nothing showed on the gauge or the log from what i can tell
What is your strategy?
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
F8TL, you've got mail!
i just went out and tried it, nothing showed on the gauge or the log from what i can tell
Looks like all sorts of fail in that log.
Not sure, I don't remember how to even look that up. Maybe plug it in to the car and get info that way... it's been awhile..KLDHF sounds familiar but not positive
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 22, 2017, 10:03:09 PM
Not sure, I don't remember how to even look that up. Maybe plug it in to the car and get info that way... it's been awhile..KLDHF sounds familiar but not positive
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Yeah, plug in the X4 and select vehicle info...
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
F8TL, you've got mail!
i just went out and tried it, nothing showed on the gauge or the log from what i can tell
Looks like all sorts of fail in that log.
Maybe I didn't transfer it correctly. As far as I know there is only 1 way
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 22, 2017, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
F8TL, you've got mail!
i just went out and tried it, nothing showed on the gauge or the log from what i can tell
Looks like all sorts of fail in that log.
Maybe I didn't transfer it correctly. As far as I know there is only 1 way
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I don't think its you, different strategies may have different memory addresses.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:57:53 PM
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
F8TL, you've got mail!
i just went out and tried it, nothing showed on the gauge or the log from what i can tell
What is your strategy?
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 23, 2017, 06:23:29 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 22, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
F8TL, you've got mail!
i just went out and tried it, nothing showed on the gauge or the log from what i can tell
What is your strategy?
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Try this....offline
When you go into the screen before you actually select the pids, make sure you select your strategy.
Once you get to the screen to select pids click load config then merge my config file and save it.
Load that to the X4 and let me know.
FYI, mine did not work the first time out, sometimes SCT is just quirky. IIRC, I had to validate a couple of times before it worked.
Tried this several times, no luck... this is frustrating..
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on February 23, 2017, 10:06:06 PM
Tried this several times, no luck... this is frustrating..
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Maybe we can sweet talk AJP into addressing this with SCT...
Here is the picture I have been waiting for..
Run 1 15psi e20
Run 2 14psi e20(loaded tune on dyno)
Run 3 stock with e20 fuel map(loaded tune on dyno)
This shows that higher boost does not always pay off(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/99138958ee2231115a00c9f225a29ef9.jpg)
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on March 01, 2017, 03:46:21 PM
Here is the picture I have been waiting for..
Run 1 15psi e20
Run 2 14psi e20(loaded tune on dyno)
Run 3 stock with e20 fuel map(loaded tune on dyno)
This shows that higher boost does not always pay off(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/99138958ee2231115a00c9f225a29ef9.jpg)
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I dont see the green line at all?
I think the run # on the min/max/avg is not the same as the colors below? Looks like 14 and 15 psi are pretty identical, +1 peak HP on 15psi (with adaptive) vs. + 5 peak tq on 14psi without adaptive. Where temperature, etc. the same at the start of these runs? if the car was heatsoaked/hotter on that 15psi pull then it would have been pulling spark.
I could see there being difference from 14-15 psi depending on conditions and efficiency, but based on the max numbers it looks pretty negligible (if conditions were the same). Lack of adaptive means the 14psi may be slightly better if it was fully adapted as well. IMO for your case, I would run that 14psi tune.
Quote from: derfdog15 on March 01, 2017, 04:10:22 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on March 01, 2017, 03:46:21 PM
Here is the picture I have been waiting for..
Run 1 15psi e20
Run 2 14psi e20(loaded tune on dyno)
Run 3 stock with e20 fuel map(loaded tune on dyno)
This shows that higher boost does not always pay off(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/99138958ee2231115a00c9f225a29ef9.jpg)
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I dont see the green line at all?
I think the run # on the min/max/avg is not the same as the colors below? Looks like 14 and 15 psi are pretty identical, +1 peak HP on 15psi (with adaptive) vs. + 5 peak tq on 14psi without adaptive. Where temperature, etc. the same at the start of these runs? if the car was heatsoaked/hotter on that 15psi pull then it would have been pulling spark.
I could see there being difference from 14-15 psi depending on conditions and efficiency, but based on the max numbers it looks pretty negligible (if conditions were the same). Lack of adaptive means the 14psi may be slightly better if it was fully adapted as well. IMO for your case, I would run that 14psi tune.
Yeah I agree 100% the 14psi tune will keep the pressure numbers at a better level also. The car sat for 30 minutes with the hood up before it was put on dyno, then another 15 minutes on the dyno with 2 big fans running while strapping it down. So I think if anything the 15psi tune had the advantage.
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on March 01, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: derfdog15 on March 01, 2017, 04:10:22 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on March 01, 2017, 03:46:21 PM
Here is the picture I have been waiting for..
Run 1 15psi e20
Run 2 14psi e20(loaded tune on dyno)
Run 3 stock with e20 fuel map(loaded tune on dyno)
This shows that higher boost does not always pay off(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170301/99138958ee2231115a00c9f225a29ef9.jpg)
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I dont see the green line at all?
I think the run # on the min/max/avg is not the same as the colors below? Looks like 14 and 15 psi are pretty identical, +1 peak HP on 15psi (with adaptive) vs. + 5 peak tq on 14psi without adaptive. Where temperature, etc. the same at the start of these runs? if the car was heatsoaked/hotter on that 15psi pull then it would have been pulling spark.
I could see there being difference from 14-15 psi depending on conditions and efficiency, but based on the max numbers it looks pretty negligible (if conditions were the same). Lack of adaptive means the 14psi may be slightly better if it was fully adapted as well. IMO for your case, I would run that 14psi tune.
Yeah I agree 100% the 14psi tune will keep the pressure numbers at a better level also. The car sat for 30 minutes with the hood up before it was put on dyno, then another 15 minutes on the dyno with 2 big fans running while strapping it down. So I think if anything the 15psi tune had the advantage.
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Funny, I think Brad ran into this and LMS did as well when they were dyno testing... here was a point of no return with the boost.
Here is the same Dyno graph just labeled correctly for each run, so it is spelled out.