Long story really short..
AJPTurbo tunes are about 2 years old. Was running the last rev without issue. reverting stock == no issues...
Tried a GH tune. It applied but that tune file broke the SCT handheld's flash file system.
SCT fixes the SCT handheld with a bunch of SCT device firmware updates to handle newer tune files
Thought everything was ok..
Decided to go back to AJPTrubo tune
Revert to stock - FAILED
--ACC disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--collision disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--Running rich by 10% but no codes
--p1000 DTC OBD II Monitor Testing Not Complete
--p1639 DTC Vehicle ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
--p163f DTC Transmission ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
Called SCT, SCT reports 17 other cases with same/or extremely similar errors .. there is a firmware revision for SCT that may help. we tried .. It did not.
So now im off to get the car flashed by IDS to rewrite the whole unit and cross my fingers.
But after that .. I have a feeling I cannot flash the car any more now that the SCT firmware is modified/updated because any flash back to stock will fail likely again... as a software guy I just cant shake the feeling i'm boned and flashing a tune will be a one way trip.
SCT advised the 2010/2011 Tarsus have a much larger number of flash related issues versus the remaining years.
also of note I have a fellow tuned SHO owner in town who has the EXCAT SAME issues after a GH update.
Very strange indeed. Wonder if it has to do with all the news about the EPA coming down on everyone.
Quote from: TopherSho on March 22, 2021, 02:58:17 PM
Long story really short..
AJPTurbo tunes are about 2 years old. Was running the last rev without issue. reverting stock == no issues...
Tried a GH tune. It applied but that tune file broke the SCT handheld's flash file system.
SCT fixes the SCT handheld with a bunch of SCT device firmware updates to handle newer tune files
Thought everything was ok..
Decided to go back to AJPTrubo tune
Revert to stock - FAILED
--ACC disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--collision disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--Running rich by 10% but no codes
--p1000 DTC OBD II Monitor Testing Not Complete
--p1639 DTC Vehicle ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
--p163f DTC Transmission ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
Called SCT, SCT reports 17 other cases with same/or extremely similar errors .. there is a firmware revision for SCT that may help. we tried .. It did not.
So now im off to get the car flashed by IDS to rewrite the whole unit and cross my fingers.
But after that .. I have a feeling I cannot flash the car any more now that the SCT firmware is modified/updated because any flash back to stock will fail likely again... as a software guy I just cant shake the feeling i'm boned and flashing a tune will be a one way trip.
SCT advised the 2010/2011 Tarsus have a much larger number of flash related issues versus the remaining years.
also of note I have a fellow tuned SHO owner in town who has the EXCAT SAME issues after a GH update.
Can you please define "boned" for the class since we're not all software guys? 8)
Quote from: SilvererSHO on March 22, 2021, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 22, 2021, 02:58:17 PM
Long story really short..
AJPTurbo tunes are about 2 years old. Was running the last rev without issue. reverting stock == no issues...
Tried a GH tune. It applied but that tune file broke the SCT handheld's flash file system.
SCT fixes the SCT handheld with a bunch of SCT device firmware updates to handle newer tune files
Thought everything was ok..
Decided to go back to AJPTrubo tune
Revert to stock - FAILED
--ACC disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--collision disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--Running rich by 10% but no codes
--p1000 DTC OBD II Monitor Testing Not Complete
--p1639 DTC Vehicle ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
--p163f DTC Transmission ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
Called SCT, SCT reports 17 other cases with same/or extremely similar errors .. there is a firmware revision for SCT that may help. we tried .. It did not.
So now im off to get the car flashed by IDS to rewrite the whole unit and cross my fingers.
But after that .. I have a feeling I cannot flash the car any more now that the SCT firmware is modified/updated because any flash back to stock will fail likely again... as a software guy I just cant shake the feeling i'm boned and flashing a tune will be a one way trip.
SCT advised the 2010/2011 Tarsus have a much larger number of flash related issues versus the remaining years.
also of note I have a fellow tuned SHO owner in town who has the EXCAT SAME issues after a GH update.
Can you please define "boned" for the class since we're not all software guys? 8)
My fear is for MY car and at least one other Taurus I can see/touch locally .. that now the SCT handheld 4x is updated past 'whatever' was working it will not allow me/us to flash back to stock on 'new tunes' produced on updated ADVANTAGE systems.
What concerns me is the SCT team has not identified the issue. They are aware it exists, but there is not a fix once the state I am in hits.
Ford will re-apply the full DMKJBLA firmware using IDS tomorrow. Stay ''tuned'' .... /sad trombone/
Wow, every persons nightmare. Good luck.
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Did they say what years/models they were having issues with?
Quote from: bamsho on March 23, 2021, 08:21:51 AM
Did they say what years/models they were having issues with?
2010 and 2011 have the largest share of the flash issues.
Thanks, I hwve updated tunes from Gearhead coming for my 2016 F150. Putting on a XDI35 HPFP.
Quote from: bamsho on March 23, 2021, 09:28:52 AM
Thanks, I hwve updated tunes from Gearhead coming for my 2016 F150. Putting on a XDI35 HPFP.
You should be fine, you have newer ECU, MUCH wider supported strategy .. my
strategy code has ALWAYS been a f^&#king nightmare. the ONLY tuner I have never had an issue with is AJPTURBO.
@mattr66 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2030) might be able to provide some insight here?
Quote from: Admin on March 23, 2021, 10:15:32 AM
@mattr66 (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2030) might be able to provide some insight here?
It has nothing to do with the EPA unless it was the device update that removed egr delete functionality for the diesel tuning from years ago
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Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: bamsho on March 23, 2021, 09:28:52 AM
Thanks, I hwve updated tunes from Gearhead coming for my 2016 F150. Putting on a XDI35 HPFP.
You should be fine, you have newer ECU, MUCH wider supported strategy .. my strategy code has ALWAYS been a f^&#king nightmare. the ONLY tuner I have never had an issue with is AJPTURBO.
So my 2010 had the same strategy code. There were only 3 tuners who were able to get it tuned.. the other tuners had MAJOR issues... Gearhead, AJPTurbo, and LMS were the only three that could actually tune that strategy. Its a PIA for sure, cause even then, there were some interesting characteristics.
130$ for the flash.. fyi .. fingers crossed.. sphincter puckered
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 10:56:57 AM
130$ for the flash.. fyi .. fingers crossed.. sphincter puckered
Mine as $125, and worked like a champ when I had ford update my strategy. I would make sure to remove the 3BAR and anything else you might have that would cause an issue with the stock tune. Usually its just the 3BAR.
;) did that last night ... :D hung a note on the mirror with the requested strategy, talked to the shop manager and pointed them to a previous Ford service ticket when we did this in 2017 :D..
I think that is as covered as I can get .. no more alternative vendors. :P Back to the last AJPTurbo tune and get the RMA pipes installed and call it good. sheesh!
1st world issues .... for sure ... but man im annoyed :D
Ford service department trip #1
No CEL, but still getting -
Collision warning - malfunction
p1000
p1635
Ford ''called it good'', I had them take it back in as i code scanned it right in front of the service advisor and gave her a polite wtf eyeball ...
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
I am betting the p1635 is a result of the PP 3.15 axel ratio being programed in instead of the non-pp 2.77 .. fingers crossed. HOPEFULLY the bad axel ratio is what is disabling the ACC/Collision warning system
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
I am betting the p1635 is a result of the PP 3.15 axel ratio being programed in instead of the non-pp 2.77 .. fingers crossed. HOPEFULLY the bad axel ratio is what is disabling the ACC/Collision warning system
That is in the vid block normally....
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Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
Yeah it's crazy how that code is different between mfgers. On most vehicles it is the 5v bus being out of whack.
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Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
Yeah it's crazy how that code is different between mfgers. On most vehicles it is the 5v bus being out of whack.
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WERE FORD! WE DO IT ALL DIFFERENT! MAKES BETTER! /headesk/ :D :)
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
I am betting the p1635 is a result of the PP 3.15 axel ratio being programed in instead of the non-pp 2.77 .. fingers crossed. HOPEFULLY the bad axel ratio is what is disabling the ACC/Collision warning system
So. The initial gearhead tune programmed a wrong ratio and it stuck in the system ?
Quote from: Macgyver on March 23, 2021, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
I am betting the p1635 is a result of the PP 3.15 axel ratio being programed in instead of the non-pp 2.77 .. fingers crossed. HOPEFULLY the bad axel ratio is what is disabling the ACC/Collision warning system
So. The initial gearhead tune programmed a wrong ratio and it stuck in the system ?
It was not throwing a CEL while the GH tune was on, but when I reverted back to stock from the GH tune it all went sideways on the next restart. SCT rebuilt the stock image, and and applied it with the handheld, Ford laid down a fresh image using IDS ... no luck either way.
But from reading a number of articles it appears you can 'edit' that value using Ford diagnostic tools ..
so i am super crossing my fingers that if the ford techs are decent enough to see the same links and try the fix, that the other issues will self resolve as i hope/suspect the ACC and Collision systems can't work if they have no idea what the speed of the care is.. and are simply faulting on boot and seeing the axel ratio error.
Quote from: Macgyver on March 23, 2021, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on March 23, 2021, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
The 1635 is internal voltage reference bad... May be the reason the pcm bricked in the first place...
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hmm got a link?
I found this on DTC which logically sounds more likely since it is a muffed write to the ecu/pcm
https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635 (https://www.dtcdecode.com/Ford/P1635)
Make:Ford
Code:P1635
Definition:Tire/Axle Ratio Out Of Acceptable Range
Description:This DTC sets when the tire and axle information contained in the vehicle identification (VID) block does not match the vehicle hardware.
Cause:Incorrect tire size, Incorrect axle ratio, Incorrect VID configuration parameters
Diagnosis: Using the scan tool, view the tire and axle parameters within the VID. They must match the vehicle hardware.
Component: PCM
I am betting the p1635 is a result of the PP 3.15 axel ratio being programed in instead of the non-pp 2.77 .. fingers crossed. HOPEFULLY the bad axel ratio is what is disabling the ACC/Collision warning system
So. The initial gearhead tune programmed a wrong ratio and it stuck in the system ?
No the vid block was more than likely corrupted on the flash.
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Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
No the vid block was more than likely corrupted on the flash.
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At this point I am unsure .. but why would my car operate normally if the value was missing after the flash to the GH tune? Or are you referring the flash back to stock?
Quote from: TopherSho on March 24, 2021, 11:10:21 AM
Quote from: mattr66 on March 23, 2021, 04:03:04 PM
No the vid block was more than likely corrupted on the flash.
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At this point I am unsure .. but why would my car operate normally if the value was missing after the flash to the GH tune? Or are you referring the flash back to stock?
The flashing process in general corrupted the vid block I think
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SCT update ---------------------
From: SCT Technical Support <support@sctflash.com>
Date: Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Flash to stock corrupts ECU with new 4x firmware
To: Topher Mc'toperton <######@gmail.com>
Cc: chris.beeck@broadcom.com <######@broadcom.com>
The firmware Jose loaded to the device will allow us to resolve the P1639 & P163F code remotely if they were to occur again. Make sure the device firmware version is on 1.1.1.7 build 21 SHO before attempting another flash with the SCT device.
P1000 is completely normal after a flash and normally clears after driving a certain amount of miles. Depending on the vehicle.
P1635 - Tire/Axle Out of Acceptable Range [Ford/ISO 14229]
^^ P1635 doesn't make sense, especially after an IDS flash from Ford, and I've never seen this code occur after IDS personally.
ACC & Collision Disabled warnings on the dash might be cleared through a hard reset of the ECU. (Physically disconnect and reconnect the ECU from the harness after disconnecting the battery)
Thanks,
SCT Technical Support
----------------------------------------------
Reading tea leaves here .. but there IS a special 4x SCT tuner firmware for 2010 and 2011 SHO's. My 4x tuner did NOT have the 'SHO' tag on the previous firmware when I was tuning with brad. getting interesting..
my gut says old style tunes did not need certain access rights to some regions/tables.. the GH tune needed them. my tuner broke with GH as it was old when i used it.. but it somehow tuned the car without triggering the axel ratio error and or ACC/collision error.
on stock reversion it went sideways..
Ford has the car, well see what happens from here.
Fingers crossed buddy
Ford has called --
They believe it has been resolved.
Phone rep said and i quote --
They reset the ABS by 'reinitializing'
ACC needed to be put into relearn
No notes were taken on the P1635 .. or its resolution.
I will scan it when I get there .. the p1000 may still be present , but if it is it ''''should'''' clear on its own as the system collects sensor data by driving and getting a baseline.
I plan on driving it over to Autozone and having them scan for codes since the 4x can miss some things
fingers crossed....
Details on ticket...
Why the crap won't android post the picture..
. (https://i.ibb.co/hR2yBhb/16166317647044198860643064325386.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hR2yBhb)
So far it is good. Need to drive a few days and complete some full power cycles
Quote from: TopherSho on March 24, 2021, 08:19:43 PM
Details on ticket...
Why the crap won't android post the picture..
. (https://i.ibb.co/hR2yBhb/16166317647044198860643064325386.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hR2yBhb)
Dont know but I will take the results. That is great news.
This will close the topic. After 4 cycles of start and drive to 20 minutes followed by a full cool down to ambient temp p1000 has cleared.
All issues fully resolved.
For anyone else who ends up in this boat ..
Do not hard reset the ecu yourself you will get additional codes. if after a return to stock wiht a SCT 4x you get --
--ACC disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--collision disabled > 'malfunction' on dash
--Running rich by 10% but no codes
--p1000 DTC OBD II Monitor Testing Not Complete
--p1639 DTC Vehicle ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
--p163f DTC Transmission ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
--*possibly a p1635
Call SCT emergency line.
Get the ''SHO'' SCT firmware updates as they mention in my previous post with a copy of their email, and have SCT help you return to stock
once the p1639, p163f go away with the SCT fix .. if you have additional issues go to ford and have the affected systems reset and or set to adaptive learn.
cheers