has anyone had this done to their EB engine?
the dealer is recommending this service be done. Cost around $125 at the dealer, however Sears service center will do it for $85 in my area.
any recommendations?
Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:01:57 PM
has anyone had this done to their EB engine?
the dealer is recommending this service be done. Cost around $125 at the dealer, however Sears service center will do it for $85 in my area.
any recommendations?
Could you explain what they will actually do in the three stages? Better able to comment then. TIA
I wonder from your question though... if sears can do it I bet you could too for <$25 worth of cleaners and some time.
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 29, 2014, 12:09:24 PM
Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:01:57 PM
has anyone had this done to their EB engine?
the dealer is recommending this service be done. Cost around $125 at the dealer, however Sears service center will do it for $85 in my area.
any recommendations?
Could you explain what they will actually do in the three stages? Better able to comment then. TIA
I wonder from your question though... if sears can do it I bet you could too for <$25 worth of cleaners and some time.
i don't know exactly what the 3 stages are, thats just what the dealer called it.
there are DIY kits for this, but i'm not mechanically inclined LOL, so i'll just leave it to the pros.
i was wondering if 'sea foam' might do the trick. but with that, i think you still have to do some tinkering in the engine bay and not just put it in the fuel tank.
the dealer always seems to recommend some additional maintenance and of course for a fee. IDK if this is really needed or just the dealer looking for a little extra $...
my MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.
Find a dealer that handles BG products ....
They are the best , period.
I have used there products and services for years .
http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2 (http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2)
Quote from: SwampRat on March 29, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Find a dealer that is a handles BG products ....
They are the best , period.
I have used there products and services for years .
http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2 (http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2)
thanks S.R.,
interesting that there aren't any Ford dealers on there list in my area, only some Toyota and GM dealers :-
Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: SwampRat on March 29, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Find a dealer that is a handles BG products ....
They are the best , period.
I have used there products and services for years .
http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2 (http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2)
thanks S.R.,
interesting that there aren't any Ford dealers on there list in my area, only some Toyota and GM dealers :-
BG dealers and service techs have to be trained and certified through BG.
Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:17:22 PMmy MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.
I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:
1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil
After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.
If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.
Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:
Be sure to use the Techron Concentrate Plus 20oz 1 bottle, or 2 bottles of the Chevron Pro-Gard cleaner per fuel tank.
Quote from: SHOdded on March 29, 2014, 01:56:02 PM
Be sure to use the Techron Concentrate Plus 20oz 1 bottle, or 2 bottles of the Chevron Pro-Gard cleaner per fuel tank.
So I fill up at Chevron anyway (although stuck with 91 octane, and E10 on that from December through March). I'm consistently running about 20 mpg with my right foot all the way down when ever I can safely... Do I understand correctly that you guys think there's any benefit to adding more "Techron"?
I get most concerned about the valves in this DI engine... no fuel spray to clean them.
Chevron fuel already has Techron, but you can still benefit. "When added to a full tank of gasoline, a bottle of Techron® Concentrate Plus results in an additive concentration roughly 10 times stronger."
http://www.techron.com/what-is-techron/questions-answers.aspx# (http://www.techron.com/what-is-techron/questions-answers.aspx#)
Quote from: Spartn27 on March 29, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:17:22 PMmy MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.
I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:
1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil
After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.
If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.
Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:
thanks, i'll give that a try...
3m fuel system cleaner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4)
Sorry folks , your off the shelf products at wally world or autozone help Some with cleaning our fuel systems but can not do a Thorough Complete Deep cleaning .
Remember we have a Turbo Charged GDI engine that stresses components more than most NA engines .
Ford and other Mfg's went to GDI primarily to deal with EPA standards of compliance ...
As a lot of you know I am a Long Haul over the Road Trucker .
I own my Semi , a 2008 Kenworth T800 Studio Sleeper with a Cummins isx 525 HP engine in it .
Injector problems and failure is very problematic on the newer diesels because of the EPA and the mandated emissions crap on them .
I have a strict service routine that I adhere to and have for the past 10 years or so to include a prior Semi. . Injector cleaning / crankcase , oil flush twice a year with additives for fuel at each fill up .
1million 200 thousand and some change in miles on original injectors with this truck. This type of life span IS NOT attainable with over the counter Heavy Duty Diesel injector cleaners .
My experience with BG products is not an isolated one .
3700 mile round trips every week from Tulsa , OK to Edmonton , AB Canada requires consistent dedendibility to maintain a high profit margiin and happy customers for me . The Oil and Gas industries are very demanding and I can not afford to settle for less .
There products and services on the Automotive side are stellar as well .
http://www.bgfindashop.com/locator/index.php (http://www.bgfindashop.com/locator/index.php)
I have used there services in my cars since 2006 because I have faith in there products and services that are tailored to individual needs .
BG is Based out of Kansas and is involved in Nascar and other Motor sports venues .
Below is a VERY LONG read from there website pointing out some of the same/stuff addressed by Tracy at RX .
GDI stands for Gasoline Direct Injection.
Gasoline direct injection engines are nothing new. The first automotive GDI engine was introduced in Germany in the 50s. The GDI engine boasts more power with increased fuel economy. At the time, fuel and oil were cheap and the need for fuel-saving engines wasn't significant. Manufacturers didn't aggressively pursue GDI engines until the early 2000s.
Today, CAFE regulations put a lot of pressure on manufacturers to revolutionize vehicles and meet stringent fuel economy and emissions requirements. As a result, many manufacturers are turning to GDI, coupled with other engine technologies such as turbocharging, to produce a vehicle with small-engine efficiency and big-engine power.
GDI is the answer for OEMs!
GDI engines offer increased fuel economy, power and performance, all while reducing emissions. They are significantly more efficient than port fuel injection (PFI) engines.
For example, in a GDI engine, gasoline is sprayed directly where the combustion chamber is the hottest (instead of in the air intake), allowing for a more thorough, even burn. Ideally, this more complete combustion translates to better mileage and greater power. GDI engines burn leaner than port fuel injection engines (GDI 40:1 vs. PFI 14.7:1). A leaner mixture allows fuel to be burned much more conservatively. GDIs have accurately controlled emissions levels, more aggressive ignition timing curves, and more precise control over fuel and injection timing.
Too good to be true
As the saying goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." And the same goes for GDI engines. As with most complex technologies, with the benefits, complications may occur.
New vehicles with GDI engines have seen significant performance and mpg losses, ignition failures and fouled injectors in as early as 3,000 miles (4,800 km) and, potentially, holes from carbon burned in the structure of the catalytic converter in as early as 50,000 miles (80,000 km)!
What's causing all these GDI engines to have complications so soon?
Poor air quality
In most environments, intake air is dirty due to pollution, and with modern exhaust gas recirculation systems and crankcase vent systems—and without port injectors spraying gasoline (and the detergents that it contains) onto the valves—GDI components can get filthy over the course of many thousand miles.
Extreme pressure
GDI engines run at much higher cylinder pressures, which in time, can pass by the piston sealing rings. The heat and pressure released into the crankcase accelerates oil vaporization and eventually distributes oil droplets onto the intake valves. Thus, intake valves collect deposits and in as little as 10,000 miles (16,000 km), they can bake on and cause a decrease in power and poor drivability. Since inception, GDI engines have had known problems with coking—buildup of cooked fuel deposits that foul injectors.
Oil evaporation
The high operating temperatures of GDI engines can lead to engine oil evaporation. Oil vapors circulating in the cooler regions of the engine create deposits and pooling. Some of those areas include intake boots, valves, piston crown, head squish area and catalytic system.
In a port fuel injection engine, these droplets are "washed off" the intake valves by a constant stream of gasoline. However, a GDI engine does not have that advantage because the injectors spray inside the cylinders.
Deposits
Deposits are like a sticky coating of oil that forms especially on the intake ports and valves. Carbon buildup on the backsides of valves can result in reduced airflow.
A combination of sticky deposits and oil evaporation can lead to carbon buildup in several places in the engine. These sticky deposits can be cooked to diamond hard deposits and can dislodge and cause damage to turbochargers, catalytic converters, etc. These hard deposits can also cause irreversible cylinder scoring.
BG has the solution for complex technologies
With many complex technologies, BG has a simple, effective solution. Usually a pour product or a piece of equipment can keep the engine clean and deposit-free. GDI engines, however, have proven to be a little more challenging.
For example, in port fuel injection engines, the injector sprays fuel on the back of the valve. Thus, adding a fuel system cleaner to the fuel will clean deposits from the backs of valves. In GDI engines, however, because fuel is sprayed directly into the combustion chamber—and not onto the back of the valve—it's very difficult to get the backs of the valves clean, without a lengthy teardown. That sounds like an opportunity to BG!
BG has a two-pronged approach to potential complications in GDI engines: the Clean Up and the Keep It Clean.
The Clean Up is for the GDI engines that have accumulated many thousands of miles and have the deposit buildup to prove it. While it's in depth, it's nothing compared to the complete teardown in which many service departments are elbow deep.
BG Gasoline Direct Injection Cleaner Part 1 and 2
BG Gasoline Direct Injection Cleaner, PNs 271 and 272, is a two-part process formulated to quickly soften and disperse baked-on deposits, which accumulate on the intake valves of direct-injected engines. With the Gasoline Direct Injection Service Tools, PN 9060, the technician can remove harmful deposits without the complete disassembly that's typically required.
Once the GDI engine has been cleaned up, it's imperative to keep it clean to avoid continuous deposit buildup. The BEST way to clean these tough-to-remove deposits is to avoid them in the first place. The Keep It Clean approach packs a punch with three of BG's most effective products. The BEST way to do that is with the BG GDI Performance Service at each oil change interval.
BG GDI Performance Service
BG EPR™ Engine Performance Restoration, PN 109, softens and dissolves hard-to-remove deposits from piston rings. Compression will begin to increase in as little as 10 minutes! Properly sealed combustion chambers improve compression, reducing oil dilution through blow-by, which is typical in GDI engines. BG EPR™ will restore lost fuel economy and power.
BG MOA,® PN 110, engine oil supplement prevents engine oil thickening under even the most severe driving conditions. It fortifies all qualities of engine oil to help withstand fuel contamination and maintain essential lubrication qualities longer under extreme temperatures. It keeps ring lands, hydraulic cams and lifters and other engine components clean.
BG 44K,® PN 208, fuel system cleaner quickly and effectively cleans the entire fuel system. BG 44K® provides quick cleanup of carbon-covered piston tops, fuel injectors and other crucial combustion areas. Because it provides efficient removal of upper engine deposits, it reduces problems caused by deposit buildup such as engine surge, stalling, stumble, hesitation and power loss. BG 44K® quickly restores engine performance and improves drivability.
Together these three products have been proven to keep GDI engines clean and prevent potential complications. So when manufacturers turn to new, complex technologies like GDI for better fuel economy and lower emissions, BG knows that GDI stands for opportunity. And BG seizes that opportunity to make GDI engines last longer and perform even better so that drivers can enjoy the significant benefit of these highly complex engines.
Quote from: crash712us on March 29, 2014, 03:39:53 PM
3m fuel system cleaner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4)
Chris... Is this the one you use personally? TIA I noticed that several manufacturers recommend it specifically for their gasoline DI engines.
Quote from: SwampRat on March 29, 2014, 12:19:15 PM
Find a dealer that is a handles BG products ....
They are the best , period.
I have used there products and services for years .
http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2 (http://www.bgprod.com/catalog/gasoline-fuel-system/bg-fuel-injection-system-cleaner/#bg-product-2)
I agree with this, I had the BG service done to my car at about 23K miles and I believe my dealer charged around $70.00 for the service. I also agree that the BG service is the best available, I also had the BG service done performed on the PTU when I had the grease changed at 25K. Plan on having the BG done on the transmission and differential when I have the fluid/grease changed at 30K miles.
Damn that is serious miles. The isx motors and all iof the current modern diesel are very picky and have much higher faiilure rates of injectors. Sounds like a nice truck swamp rat. I drive a 2004 petebilt 379 long hood flattop 550 c15 acert 18 speed with 940,000 miles. Jusr had to replace the ecm last week. Its amazing you havent had to replace injectors yet
Quote from: mjhpadi on March 29, 2014, 04:13:16 PM
I agree with this, I had the BG service done to my car at about 23K miles and I believe my dealer charged around $70.00 for the service. I also agree that the BG service is the best available, I also had the BG service done performed on the PTU when I had the grease changed at 25K. Plan on having the BG done on the transmission and differential when I have the fluid/grease changed at 30K miles.
Thanks for the input Mark...
I'll definitely look into the BG service when I get to 20-25K miles when I plan for the PTU service and do the fuel system then too. Found a Ford dealer about 17 miles away that offers it... it's where I bought the wife's truck... Want a Ford house to do it due to warranty and best availability of OEM PTU parts in case of a problem.
Likely I'll use either the 3-M or the Techron concentrate for the fuel system until that time.
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 29, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Likely I'll use either the 3-M or the Techron concentrate for the fuel system until that time.
And that would be a good, wallet-friendly approach IMHO. BG services are the tops, in my experience, so allotting funds for them like a coolant flush, brake flush or trans flush every 25K-30K is a great game plan if you can roll with it.
Quote from: panther427 on March 29, 2014, 04:26:21 PM
Damn that is serious miles. The isx motors and all iof the current modern diesel are very picky and have much higher faiilure rates of injectors. Sounds like a nice truck swamp rat. I drive a 2004 petebilt 379 long hood flattop 550 c15 acert 18 speed with 940,000 miles. Jusr had to replace the ecm last week. Its amazing you havent had to replace injectors yet
http://www.bgfindashop.com/locator/index.php (http://www.bgfindashop.com/locator/index.php)
Just trying to stress that BG KNOWS THERE STUFF , especially when it comes to fuel systems .
I know my 2nd post on this is a long one but there is good info in there from BG .
As I said in the prior post BG addresses many of the same issues that Tracy at RX does.As I see it , with injector failure seemingly becoming somewhat more frequent in these engines ; preventive measures against this need more consideration .
I was really surprised that my dealer offers the complete line of BG services. They really don't push it, I discovered that they were an authorized dealer when the service manager suggested that our Sable should have the fuel service done and explained that they were a BG dealer. I was extremely pleased with how much cleaner the entire upper part of the Sable's engine looked after cleaning...and this was at about 150K miles. So I really think it's worth the cost for the cleaning, I am certainly sold on it, and because it's from my Ford dealer and they have never once "pushed" the BG services I think they really speak for themselves.
So Ford offers a cleaning service?
I have 41k miles and while I do my best touse only Top Tier 93 octane it just doesnt always happen.
I picked up 20oz of Techron concentrate today and I'll add it next fill up and I'll prob do that a few tanks in a row... and then every four or five thereafter.
Anybody done the 3m or BG stepped process and then used a boroscope? I want them clean, even if I have to pull it apart, then do a simple BG kit every or every other oil change.
Quote from: SHODYOU on March 29, 2014, 05:27:10 PM
So Ford offers a cleaning service?
I have 41k miles and while I do my best touse only Top Tier 93 octane it just doesnt always happen.
I picked up 20oz of Techron concentrate today and I'll add it next fill up and I'll prob do that a few tanks in a row... and then every four or five thereafter.
Anybody done the 3m or BG stepped process and then used a boroscope? I want them clean, even if I have to pull it apart, then do a simple BG kit every or every other oil change.
My Ford dealer does the BG service, I also know that BG offers additives to add to the fuel to help keep the fuel system clean, I haven't used them, but I'm not sure how many Ford dealers are authorized BG dealers, if you check the BG website they will list all their dealers and what services they offer.
Hmm... just looked it up. The local Ford dealer here and my dads dealership back in MS both offer BG services.
Gonnabe making an appt
PRO GARD only every 1000 miles, Techron Concentrate Plus only every 3000 miles, that's the official recommendation from Chevron ...
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 29, 2014, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: crash712us on March 29, 2014, 03:39:53 PM
3m fuel system cleaner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4)
Chris... Is this the one you use personally? TIA I noticed that several manufacturers recommend it specifically for their gasoline DI engines.
Yes I used before I was running methanol. I have seen BG service tools and how they are used, why they provide a good service. Its not that much different then what 3m system does.
But prior to installing the meth injection I had planned on using the 3m system about every 15k for $30-$40 I think it great alternative.
Was there not a DIY thread on the 3M kit or was that at the "other" SHO site? I have one on the shelf and plan on doing it in the next week or so now that the weather has improved. If there is NOT a thread I will take some pics and post up a DIY....
so, i ended up going to Sears Auto center, because i had some credits available to use at Sears (including auto services, which i was unaware of), they also seem to have the lowest prices for the 3 stage cleaning.
i asked if they used BG products, going off of SwampRats recommendations, unfortunately (i assume) they used run-rite instead. i told the service manager that my car has a DI, turbo motor; he said that was fine and that their service is fully compatible. he also offered some incentives if i added a coolant flush service, both services out the door for around $140. that was about the same price for just the 3 stage cleaning from the Lincoln dealer. so i went ahead and got it done, with my credits i only paid around $40 directly out of pocket.
after the service i put some Shell gas in, resetted the MPG status and went about my Saturday. i had a lot of errands and went out that night as well. i actually drove nearly 90 miles all together. the MPG meter ended up showing 20.3 MPG, with my normal spirited driving in both city and highway! i was very happy with that figure, because before the cleaning i was getting about 16.6 MPG!
so maybe the car did have some built up carbon deposits that was negatively affecting it. i'll report back on my observed MPG later on to see if the gains hold up...
That's cool :thumb: Always a +ve to have better MPG w/o loss of performance.
Has anyone had the terraclean treatment done to there cars ?
http://terraclean.net/product.php?id=1 (http://terraclean.net/product.php?id=1)
Quote from: vernonator on March 30, 2014, 11:16:43 AM
Was there not a DIY thread on the 3M kit or was that at the "other" SHO site? I have one on the shelf and plan on doing it in the next week or so now that the weather has improved. If there is NOT a thread I will take some pics and post up a DIY....
Chris posted this link to a vid from 3M with how-to..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4)
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I know it has been discussed before at that other place. But I cleaned mine today with 3m's fuel system cleaning kit. Since I do not have a scope to show a before or after result this will be merely a review of the process. With that said its a very simple process and went off with nearly no hiccups. It did generate a check engine light, when scanned it found fault in a overly rich mixture on both O2 sensors. I wasn't alarmed by this as I would think this would be normal for running the engine and spraying solvent in to the intake. Also it does cause the exhaust to smoke so best to do outside the garage. Tip: with our electric throttle if put car into accessory mode you can open and close throttle without running the engine when cleaning throttle body. I performed at 17k and plan to do every 15k and for $30 some dollar and change at autozone.
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/...9_66767582.jpg (http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/...9_66767582.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4)
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I posted this in the BG fuel cleaning thread, thought it might be useful here.
Amazon has a deal right now with free shipping for the fuel system treatment.
$37.07 + save $10 when you clip the coupon from under the picture.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-08963-Fuel-.../dp/B003YJ47JO (http://www.amazon.com/3M-08963-Fuel-.../dp/B003YJ47JO)
Thought I would wake up this old topic. I called around to find out if any of the Ford dealers did BG fuel/intake service in my area. The closest is a decent drive from my home. What is interesting that most of the ones listed on the BG site have dropped the product line. They wouldn't say why, I did find this dealer and he would do the service. I asked if there was any danger with mine being an EB. He said he was unaware of any issues with BG and turbos. However he instead recommended this instead. http://www.speclube.com/products.html. (http://www.speclube.com/products.html.) His comment that it was made for turbo charged DI engines and that it even cleaned the turbos. (i am guessing he meant the blades) Any thoughts?
Wouldn't know about this system, but Motul products are highly regarded though.
Quote from: MeanKS on March 29, 2014, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: Spartn27 on March 29, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:17:22 PMmy MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.
I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:
1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil
After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.
If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.
Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:
thanks, i'll give that a try...
Wow 20mpg? My car with only 100 miles got around 18 at best and that was driving it like an old man! I never heard of someone getting over 20mpg-According to ford most SHO's will average 17. I will say I do get around 29 on the highway though
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 29, 2014, 02:18:54 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on March 29, 2014, 01:56:02 PM
Be sure to use the Techron Concentrate Plus 20oz 1 bottle, or 2 bottles of the Chevron Pro-Gard cleaner per fuel tank.
So I fill up at Chevron anyway (although stuck with 91 octane, and E10 on that from December through March). I'm consistently running about 20 mpg with my right foot all the way down when ever I can safely... Do I understand correctly that you guys think there's any benefit to adding more "Techron"?
I get most concerned about the valves in this DI engine... no fuel spray to clean them.
I get around 21mpg in my '12 PP sho running the Livernois 4+ 93 octane tune with Catless downpipes. I run the only 93 I can find from the local MurphyUSA. Not sure that your Chevron is really all the different in the end. Now I did have the BG fuel system cleaning done last oil change as my mileage had dipped to 19ish, my dealer IS a BG provider. I think that is a better spend of your money than tank additives. Just my opinion though
I just dont trust these fuel treatments. It's one thing if it comes off as tiny combustible particles but there is no way to know that bigger chunks aren't coming off.
...I have always used Chevron premium gas FWIW... I have the same concerns expressed by FoMoCo.... It's why I plan to go with meth injection soon... that will keep the intake valves clean.... there's still the turbos and EGR/PCV gas recirc though... why i went VTA, to eliminate at least some of it.
So we have:
methanol injection (proven),
catch can system (variable results),
manual valve cleaning (walnut shell blasting, or soaking/removing, etc),
use of low volatility full synthetic oil,
periodic cleaning of the CAC, and
a minor increase in the fuel's E content
in our DI arsenal.
In addition to running an FI cleaner through the tank periodically or a fuel system treatment, of course. But that applies to pretty much any fuel system, MFI, PFI, DI whathaveyou.
Quote from: anthonylee337 on April 06, 2015, 07:02:36 PM
Quote from: MeanKS on March 29, 2014, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: Spartn27 on March 29, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:17:22 PMmy MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.
I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:
1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil
After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.
If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.
Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:
thanks, i'll give that a try...
Wow 20mpg? My car with only 100 miles got around 18 at best and that was driving it like an old man! I never heard of someone getting over 20mpg-According to ford most SHO's will average 17. I will say I do get around 29 on the highway though
I get 26 at 70 mph. Around 23 at 80.
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Quote from: DRII on March 29, 2014, 12:17:22 PMmy MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.
I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:
1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil
After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.
If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.
Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:
thanks, i'll give that a try...
Wow 20mpg? My car with only 100 miles got around 18 at best and that was driving it like an old man! I never heard of someone getting over 20mpg-According to ford most SHO's will average 17. I will say I do get around 29 on the highway though
I get 26 at 70 mph. Around 23 at 80.
Similar to Wass... I get about 20 on 95% surface streets daily (with AC on...PHX!), and about 27 on the interstate if I cruise 90 or below.
Quote from: SHOdded on April 07, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
So we have:
methanol injection (proven),
catch can system (variable results),
manual valve cleaning (walnut shell blasting, or soaking/removing, etc),
use of low volatility full synthetic oil,
periodic cleaning of the CAC, and
a minor increase in the fuel's E content
in our DI arsenal.
In addition to running an FI cleaner through the tank periodically or a fuel system treatment, of course. But that applies to pretty much any fuel system, MFI, PFI, DI whathaveyou.
Don't forget a little meth in the tank.... ;)
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 07, 2015, 05:21:28 PM
Don't forget a little meth in the tank.... ;)
Waiting on wasinger's proof-of-concept to add that :)
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 07, 2015, 05:21:28 PM
Don't forget a little meth in the tank.... ;)
Waiting on wasinger's proof-of-concept to add that :)
As usual, he is late to the party.....
I just tried this fuel additive called Archoil. It's normally used in the powerstroke 6.0 diesel along with the oil additive to get rid of injector stiction. I got 26mpg doing an average speed of 85 with a couple passing blasts. 130 mile trip. Engine even ran smooth at idle. Especially on a cold start. Couldn't even tell the engine was running. I'm impressed!
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I was looking through the Heet website and clearly says that its safe to use on every fill up,so ordered a case of the yellow polar 100%meth from amazon,figured let me give it a try,a cheap alternative to add to your gas tank,might even clean some carbon buildup overtime.Z http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2015, 07:38:47 PM
I was looking through the Heet website and clearly says that its safe to use on every fill up,so ordered a case of the yellow polar 100%meth from amazon,figured let me give it a try,a cheap alternative to add to your gas tank,might even clean some carbon buildup overtime.Z http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I already put a couple in my tank cause new cars have tons of water in the gas tank, LOL....
I just put in a bottle of the HEET+ injector cleaner. Looks like the e85 stations here are getting rid of it and even though we just got 93 at 2 stations they have already reverted back to 91. **** Idaho and their **** gas
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HEET has water dispersant though, does the Polar product also have this, Z?
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HEET has water dispersant though, does the Polar product also have this, Z?
The 99.97% meth sucks up any water in the tank.
The .03 is fuel conditioning.
They recommend no more than 2 bottles/fillup on a 20 gal tank.
Quote from: SHOdded on April 07, 2015, 10:03:18 PM
HEET has water dispersant though, does the Polar product also have this, Z?
Thats a good question though,purchased purely on the label saying 100%methanol and believe it does. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 07, 2015, 10:03:18 PM
HEET has water dispersant though, does the Polar product also have this, Z?
Thats a good question though,purchased purely on the label saying 100%methanol and believe it does. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Polar is isopropyl alcohol (not methanol)
http://www.wd-wpp.com/tsc/10.html (http://www.wd-wpp.com/tsc/10.html)
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 07, 2015, 05:21:28 PM
Don't forget a little meth in the tank.... ;)
Waiting on wasinger's proof-of-concept to add that :)
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Quote from: SHOdded on April 07, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 07, 2015, 05:21:28 PM
Don't forget a little meth in the tank.... ;)
Waiting on wasinger's proof-of-concept to add that :)
As usual, he is late to the party.....
All my meth has 10% water in it.... haha. I had this bright idea of adding the water to my whole supply and not one batch at a time. I'm finally down to 6 gallons left.
Started with 35 last September
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I'm finally down to 6 gallons left.
Don't worry, you still have a ways to go to catch up to bpd in this department ;)
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Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 07, 2015, 10:03:18 PM
HEET has water dispersant though, does the Polar product also have this, Z?
Thats a good question though,purchased purely on the label saying 100%methanol and believe it does. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077K96GU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Polar is isopropyl alcohol (not methanol)
http://www.wd-wpp.com/tsc/10.html (http://www.wd-wpp.com/tsc/10.html)
Based from the article,the first section applies to the isopropyl and the last section is for yellow bottles methanol.Z
As Z said ...
POLAR
http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds-products.htm (http://www.wd-wpp.com/msds-products.htm)
HEET
http://www.servicechamp.com/images/28202msds.pdf (http://www.servicechamp.com/images/28202msds.pdf)
http://www.multi-craft.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2005/08/Heet-Gas-line-Antifreeze.pdf (http://www.multi-craft.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2005/08/Heet-Gas-line-Antifreeze.pdf)
You people are getting 20 MPG out of the SHO? Am I even driving the same car? I have never reset the average so after 20000 miles I'm at 17.6 MPG. I have reset the trip odometers and the best I ever see making a 60 mile drive is about 20 and that's taking it real easy. At 80 I'm below 20 mpg cruising.
I wonder if the good mileage achievers are in areas with less ethanol in the fuel
All this chat about cleaning but has anyone experiencing power loss? I have 20k miles on mine with no sign of a power loss so I'm sticking to if it ain't broke don't fix it! When it comes a day when I experience rough idle and loss of horsepower I am hoping someone will have a safe way to clean our engines
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I wonder if the good mileage achievers are in areas with less ethanol in the fuel
I run 93 octane 10% ethanol blend and get 21mpg combined. I am running the livernois 4+ 93 octane tune w/catless DP's. I did drop down to 19 or so before I had the BG fuel/air service done. Car is a '12 PP with 52k miles
BG GDI Service/Products (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyoA7ZQgcl0#)
I wouldn't mess with the cleaning. The higher ups at Ford engineering don't have a recommended cleaning process yet. Current ones are not good for the turbos. My car has 56.5k miles on it, never had an injection cleaning. Best way to keep the valves clean is a heavy foot, Ecoboost like to be run hard.
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BTW, in the video, BG points out that a maintenance plan is the best course of action for the GDI engines (and any engine I am sure). Walnut shell blasting would be the next "safe" choice for intake valve cleaning if the engine already has miles on it. You could also try a small amount of solvent for each cylinder, agitate with a soft bristle brush, let sit overnight, drain/clean thoroughly.