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New TSB for 3.5 GDI Sartup Rattle 15-0131

Started by BiGMaC, September 05, 2015, 10:19:59 AM

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SHOnUup

Just started a survey on a 1700 member ecoboost page...truck heavy is the page, and yet more transverse complaints so far

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2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

BiGMaC

Quote from: SHOnUup on September 06, 2015, 12:33:02 PM
Just started a survey on a 1700 member ecoboost page...truck heavy is the page, and yet more transverse complaints so far
Interesting info....Maybe we need to start a campaign... I figured that even with reduced number of cam phasers in the transverse 3.5 GDI the issue would be common... Maybe we can get Ford to issue a TSB for us.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

r1crusher

I've not had this happen on my car w/ just over 41k miles now and it can sit for a week some times.  The wife's truck hasn't shown this particular issue either and she's got just a tick over 38k miles on the '13.  I typically don't look at the mileage when doing oil changes simply because that doesn't take into account any extended idling time (i.e. remote starting or sitting in traffic, etc.) where the ECU should and thusly reduce the oil life % remaining appropriately.  Once I see them hit the 50% mark I plan their oil changes.  I only use Mobil One Extended oil as well as their filters.

But now that this is all coming to a head with this new TSB I'm going to keep an eye on both cars for any startup noises going forward.
'13 SHO, AJP Tune w/ 3-Bar
'17 F-250 6.7 PowerStroke
'17 XSport

SHOnUup

Quote from: BiGMaC on September 06, 2015, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: SHOnUup on September 06, 2015, 12:33:02 PM
Just started a survey on a 1700 member ecoboost page...truck heavy is the page, and yet more transverse complaints so far
Interesting info....Maybe we need to start a campaign... I figured that even with reduced number of cam phasers in the transverse 3.5 GDI the issue would be common... Maybe we can get Ford to issue a TSB for us.
Survey is at 8 transverse to ZERO F150 so far (not much action)...couple MKS & Flex...rest SHO

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2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: SHOnUup on September 06, 2015, 12:33:02 PM
Just started a survey on a 1700 member ecoboost page...truck heavy is the page, and yet more transverse complaints so far

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Lol, we are a contrary bunch, lol.....

glock-coma

#35
Quote from: SHOnUup on September 06, 2015, 12:33:02 PM
Just started a survey on a 1700 member ecoboost page...truck heavy is the page, and yet more transverse complaints so far

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im not on Facebook, you can add me to the list.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

Darren M

Crap, I think my 15 SHO has this. Just noticed it the other day. Subscribing to remind myself to video it.
Just a Taurus

shaneirish

I have a 2010 SHO with 80,000  and I've noticed the rattle since around 39,000 miles most of the time on cold starts.

What are the factors Ford uses before a TSB is generated?  I think most SHO owners thought it was normal so not many have complained. 
2010 SHO 20" Wheels, LMS 4X tune, AirRaid CAI, 3-Bar MAP, 160 Thermostat.  TSB's and Failures TSB-11-12-10 - 6F50/6F55 TRANSMISSION. TSB 11-11-09 - INTERMITTENT STEERING DRIFT/PULL. All four wheel bearings replaced winter 2014-2015 (all failed at different times and within four weeks of each other, PTU Failure at 54,000 miles. Climate heat issue fixed, halfshaft issue. Right front strut bearing plate failure at 79,000. TSB installed the thrust washer over the halfshaft.

SHOdded

Haven't a clue what drives a TSB generation, but I'd think a combination of complaints, service calls, and engineer-assisted enquiries meeting some statistical significance.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

shaneirish

OASIS MESSAGE :
SOME 2007-2010 MKZ/EDGE/MKX, 2008-2010 TAURUS, 2008-2009 SABLE/TAURUS X, 2009/2010 FLEX/MKS, 2010 MKT/FUSION EQUIPPED WITH A 3.5L V6 OR 3.7L V6 ENGINE MAY EXHIBIT A LIGHT TICKING NOISE AFTER A COLD START WHICH MAY LAST UNTIL ENGINEWARM UP. THE NOISE IS DUE TO THE COMBINATION OF LIGHT LOAD OPERATING CONDITIONS AND THE NORMAL CYLINDER HEAD AND VALVETRAIN CLEARANCES PRESENT IN A COLD ENGINE.THIS NOISE DOES NOT AFFECT PERFORMANCE OR LONG-TERM DURABILITY OF THE ENGINE.

2010 SHO 20" Wheels, LMS 4X tune, AirRaid CAI, 3-Bar MAP, 160 Thermostat.  TSB's and Failures TSB-11-12-10 - 6F50/6F55 TRANSMISSION. TSB 11-11-09 - INTERMITTENT STEERING DRIFT/PULL. All four wheel bearings replaced winter 2014-2015 (all failed at different times and within four weeks of each other, PTU Failure at 54,000 miles. Climate heat issue fixed, halfshaft issue. Right front strut bearing plate failure at 79,000. TSB installed the thrust washer over the halfshaft.

14SHOCAR

Can someone explain the start rattle? Is that where it feels like its misfiring? and you see your rpms dip a bit? I've been trying to chase this issue down with my car.
18 Volvo S90 Inscription - 2.0T Twin Charged - Polestar Tuned.
17 Lincoln MKZ 3.0T GTDI -To Tune, or Not To Tune -- THAT is the question.
15 Road Glide Special - CFR Exhaust, Powder Coated everything, DirtyAir Air ride
14 Taurus SHO (Sold)
LMS 93 V8 3Bar Tune, K&N Intake, LMS 160 t-stat, LMS pre-gapped plugs, Corsa Exhaust

glock-coma


Quote from: 14SHOCAR on September 14, 2015, 01:47:33 PM
Can someone explain the start rattle? Is that where it feels like its misfiring? and you see your rpms dip a bit? I've been trying to chase this issue down with my car.
It's like this, but not nearly as bad
http://youtu.be/2yGPqSYGi5E
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

ZSHO

I know many 11+ F-150 cannot differentiate between a timing chain rattle or a vacuum pump issue,think they have a re-designed pump which seems to be a more feasible solution than the timing chain.  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

markssho

#43
Thought I would share a startup rattle from my 2010 SHO. Took these videos this summer as it had between 55k-60k miles on it.

http://vid1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag404/markssho/SHO2/VID_20150815_102452538.mp4

http://vid1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag404/markssho/SHO2/VID_20150821_073524526.mp4

http://vid1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag404/markssho/SHO2/VID_20150828_075733945.mp4

On the first link, you can hear it best. I would say that one is around the medium volume level. I've heard it much louder. The other two are not as loud.  It really isn't consistent as far as the loudness goes. That's why it is difficult to capture it on video (who's gonna video every startup).
2010 Taurus SHO, Cinnamon, 402B, ACC

66 Galaxie

I keep wondering how much a pre-oiler may or may not help protect our engines from any start up rattles due to bad cam phasers and/or the tensioner on the timing chain.
'14 Flex Tuxedo Black ecoboost