How much can i expect out of these? I am looking at getting a set of summer tires, and i was wondering what i can expect out of these. I am not looking to drive spirited everyday, just more so interested at more traction at the track (1/4 mile)
I like these and notice another use with a SHO used them. Could i expect to be able to launch higher than 2200 RPM's?
Another factor is there half the price of the all season's i want and would just garage my current all seasons in the summer to preserve the life until they ran out and i could get a set of 18's with winter tires.
Quote from: Josephm on April 22, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
How much can i expect out of these? I am looking at getting a set of summer tires, and i was wondering what i can expect out of these. I am not looking to drive spirited everyday, just more so interested at more traction at the track (1/4 mile)
I like these and notice another use with a SHO used them. Could i expect to be able to launch higher than 2200 RPM's?
Another factor is there half the price of the all season's i want and would just garage my current all seasons in the summer to preserve the life until they ran out and i could get a set of 18's with winter tires.
Can you justify pure race tires... to use at the strip... on wheels you mount only for that? Max traction, basically only have to go straight so they could be wider than "driving" tires, should last years since they would only be used at the track.
The minimal times i will use them wont justify a low used, high priced setup. At least for now, that is why i am looking into summer tires.
Quote from: Josephm on April 22, 2014, 11:18:55 PM
The minimal times i will use them wont justify a low used, high priced setup. At least for now, that is why i am looking into summer tires.
Gottit, understand and i agree with your logic.
.... one last thought, I think Mike (4DR) has a set of used racing slicks mounted and for sale... They are from his Flex, so i'm not sure about the bolt pattern fitting (but at one point we were gonna try them on my SHO)... If interested you could pm him... only need two!
I currently have Bridgestone Potenza SP-04 Pole Positions on my mazda 6s and I love them. I swap out to winter rims and tires in the less fun months.
I've had them on for a month now, and they seem to wear great, and they drive fantastic!
They don't last as long as all seasons, neither do the winter tires, but together they'll come close in lifespan and with phenomenal upgrades to traction and handling. So for me it was worth the extra money to have two sets of better tires.
I have a summer / winter rim-tre setup for the XSport too. Same reasons as above, plus I can save my summer rims from winter abuse.
Ya i messaged him and got a quote but its still more than a set a tires that i will daily.
Quote from: Josephm on April 22, 2014, 11:36:19 PM
Ya i messaged him and got a quote but its still more than a set a tires that i will daily.
ouch!
Quote from: JimiJak on April 22, 2014, 11:32:19 PM
I currently have Bridgestone Potenza SP-04 Pole Positions on my mazda 6s and I love them. I swap out to winter rims and tires in the less fun months.
I have a summer / winter rim-tre setup for the XSport too. Same reasons as above, plus I can save my summer rims from winter abuse.
What tires are you running on the Xsport for summer? Have you had the ABS shut you down on a launch yet?
No offense to that Mazda but its lacking the down low torque the EB engine produce unless its a Mazdaspeed 6.
No Mazdaspeed unfortunately. Just the 3.0L v6. It is a manual though, so that helps. Plus it's WAY lighter than the SHO, so I still have my share of traction issues to deal with...just not at the same speeds. Lol
I still have the stockers on the XSport for now. Haven't found a summer setup that's really set me off...plus, next available funds are going towards other upgrades first.
Nope, no ABS on launch yet. But the XSport has more weight behind it than the SHO, so I don't deal with traction problems ...yet.
Quote from: JimiJak on April 22, 2014, 11:56:18 PM
Nope, no ABS on launch yet. But the XSport has more weight behind it than the SHO, so I don't deal with traction problems ...yet.
Mines the Flex---Just as fat as yours.
Oops...LOL Forgot we were talking Flex...not that I didn't believe you...but you got my wheels turning so I thought I would check it out. Found this out -
According to edmunds:
Taurus Limited - 3,969 (FWD FFV) 4,196 (AWD FFV) 4,341 (SHO)
Flex Limited - 4,471 (FWD FFV) 4,643 (AWD FFV) 4,839 (AWD EB)
Explorer Limited - 4,557 (FWD FFV) 4,697 (AWD FFV) 4,859 (Sport)
Strong work! You were right on...only 20 lbs. difference between us...compared to the 500 lbs between you and your lighter counterpart.
FFV = Flex Fuel
FWD = Front Wheel Drive
AWD = All Wheel Drive
EB = EcoBoost (included on SHO and Ex. Sport)
All Flex Fuel's listed above are 3.5L NA V6
Witch realistically i think its more like 5,000 with drive and all our stuff.
Quote from: Josephm on April 22, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
How much can i expect out of these? I am looking at getting a set of summer tires, and i was wondering what i can expect out of these. I am not looking to drive spirited everyday, just more so interested at more traction at the track (1/4 mile)
I like these and notice another use with a SHO used them. Could i expect to be able to launch higher than 2200 RPM's?
Another factor is there half the price of the all season's i want and would just garage my current all seasons in the summer to preserve the life until they ran out and i could get a set of 18's with winter tires.
What actual tire? UHP Summer is a classification of tire.
Yea most wont last as long but depends on actual tire how long you can expect...
Ill prob end up with about 40k on my Hankooks before they get replaced.
Def worth it though, even if I only get 25k. Drives so much better when I play around, hell i want a lot more front end grip as it is.
Weird. Tirerack.com is saying i don't have permission to access it.
Quote from: Josephm on April 23, 2014, 07:58:45 PM
Weird. Tirerack.com is saying i don't have permission to access it.
is this a sign? ...or just a challenge? lol
Challenge accepted.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo+K110&partnum=545YR0K110XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo+K110&partnum=545YR0K110XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo+K110&partnum=545YR0K110XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo+K110&partnum=545YR0K110XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Firehawk+Wide+Oval+Indy+500&partnum=545WR0FHWI5&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Firehawk+Wide+Oval+Indy+500&partnum=545WR0FHWI5&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=Parada+Spec-X&partnum=545VR0PSXXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=Parada+Spec-X&partnum=545VR0PSXXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes)
All of these i am considering.
Hankook very easily wins that battle... Firestone is crap and Parada X is a sporty truck tire, won't even compare.
I run the V12 and love it... I want the V12 evo2 but trying to avoid directional rubber for rotations.
And the Hankook rides extremely well because its a softer sidewall.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/tire-test-nine-affordable-summer-tires-take-on-the-michelin-ps2-comparison-tests (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/tire-test-nine-affordable-summer-tires-take-on-the-michelin-ps2-comparison-tests)
Thank you for the response!
Quote from: Josephm on April 23, 2014, 08:46:57 PM
Thank you for the response!
Josephm I do not have the snow tire problem here in "HOT ATLANTA". But I was going to go with DD tire and track tires when my stock goodyear F1's ended at (ONLY!!!!!)20k miles. A local friend (tire shop) sold my some NEXEN N3000 UHP with as good #'s or better #'s that goodyear F1's #'s.
https://www.1010tires.com/Tires/Reviews/Nexen/N3000 (https://www.1010tires.com/Tires/Reviews/Nexen/N3000)
. AT a 1/3 of there(GOODYEAR) price. I got a set of 245x40x20 for DD and 275x40x20 for track. I have 40k mi on the DD's still very good wear!!!! The 275's are 1.2in wider than the 245's and I am running 12.3sec 1/4mi!!!!
DD
(http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/gallery/55_08_10_13_6_17_41.jpeg)
TRACK
(http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/gallery/55_24_11_13_8_38_41.jpeg)
12.3SEC
(http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/gallery/55_16_02_14_11_43_41.jpeg)
shoman... Are you having to use wheel spacers on the 275s... or did you use wheels with a different offset?
Jeeze huge premium going from 255-45 to 275-40/45
Quote from: BiGMaC on April 23, 2014, 10:13:20 PM
shoman... Are you having to use wheel spacers on the 275s... or did you use wheels with a different offset?
I got the wheels from a EBPF Member bnoon (FLEX) and they are 20x8.5x +38 off-set.
http://www.americanmuscle.com/msbullitt-black-20x85-0509.html (http://www.americanmuscle.com/msbullitt-black-20x85-0509.html)
Ok, well I can help here.
Joseph this is Flex #1 I had. It runs the Firestone tire you linked.
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a3da27b3127ccef2993cd8a6ff00000030O00AcOWjRo1btGQPbz4C/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00204754449820130407023544111.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/)
These were OK tires, but nothing "UHP" about them. They are just another tire, like a lot of tires. I had over 33k miles on Flex #1 when I sold it, and those tires and wheels were on there for most of that. Tread was about 1/2 depth, didn't rotate too much but they did cup rather quickly in the rear (this Flex was a FWD, and that seems to make a big difference in how the rear wears.)
So, they did last a long time, but straight-line traction was not really that great. They didn't like being cold, they flat-spotted a little bit if parked for a few days, and they started cracking in the 3rd year of ownership from the high heat and dry climate we have, just a little bit in the tread. They got pretty noisy as they wore. Would I buy them again? Meh. Biggest pro for them was outstanding wet traction, especially when they were newish. Price is right though.
On the Hankooks, I ran the predecessor to the V12 EVO K110 on my Supra, and this was back in the day. It is a good tire, but it does nothing great. Makes a good all-around tire. Its been around a long time, and as you might notice,... its on Closeout. This means they will get harder and harder to find, and we don't know its replacement.
The Yokos I've not used, but they review well. Most people think of that tire as an SUV tire, so beware of that. It by nature will be a bit more noisy, but should have higher traction. It isn't bad in the snow so I heard.
If you want something really, really sticky and high performance, there are better tires. If you want something that will just be good all around, I hear good things about the Nitto Motivo and its brother the Toyo Proxes 4 Plus (the old one doesn't have "Plus at the end, don't get that one.) These are all-season, but rated well.
If you want something that will be stickier and more exciting, maybe the Nitto Invo, Nitto NT555, Michelin Pilot SS,
Love my Michelin PSS, great handling tire
A little noisy though
Quote from: Lanson on April 24, 2014, 11:20:29 AM
On the Hankooks, I ran the predecessor to the V12 EVO K110 on my Supra, and this was back in the day. It is a good tire, but it does nothing great. Makes a good all-around tire. Its been around a long time, and as you might notice,... its on Closeout. This means they will get harder and harder to find, and we don't know its replacement.
We do know its replacement.... the V12 Evo2 K120
Its out now.
I have nothing negative to say about these V12's, they seem to be up to par in most categories... they do seem to flat spot when its very cold out but goes away within a mile. Its a summer tire tho so I cant fault it.
Its a fun tire than rides well and does very well in the rain.
I wish they had a tad more ultimate grip in the turns but imo they do a commendable job of tossing around a 4500lb sedan.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo2 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo2)