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Title: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 29, 2020, 01:09:19 PM
Now that more tuners are jumping on to HPTuners to combat some of the shortfalls of SCT, we started making some tutorials and instructional guides to help navigate and learn the ins and outs of the nGauge.

Whether you are a current customer with HPTuners, an SCT customer looking to make the switch, or a competing tuner looking to learn how to use the nGauge, we hope this helps :)

If you have any other questions, or can think of additional guides that would benefit the community, let us know!

https://www.ortizperformance.com/faq/categories/ngauge-support
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 29, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Is Ortiz tuning SHO's with HPT now? I believe Unleashed is the only other vendor tuning SHO's with HPT.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 29, 2020, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 29, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Is Ortiz tuning SHO's with HPT now? I believe Unleashed is the only other vendor tuning SHO's with HPT.

These guys do as well but I dont know much about their sho experience.

https://www.brewcityboost.com/product-category/ford/2010-2020_sho_3-5_ecoboost/2010-2020_sho_3-5_tuning_engine/
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 29, 2020, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 29, 2020, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 29, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Is Ortiz tuning SHO's with HPT now? I believe Unleashed is the only other vendor tuning SHO's with HPT.

These guys do as well but I dont know much about their sho experience.

https://www.brewcityboost.com/product-category/ford/2010-2020_sho_3-5_ecoboost/2010-2020_sho_3-5_tuning_engine/
I had a BCB tune years ago. Didn't know they went HPT too.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 29, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
Sct isn't keeping up anymore. They are good for pre 2013.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 02:01:37 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 29, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Is Ortiz tuning SHO's with HPT now? I believe Unleashed is the only other vendor tuning SHO's with HPT.

My personal SHO has been HPT tuned since January. It's still an evolving platform and we have several tickets in for adjustments but so far the peace of mind alone and smoothness of operation is worth the changeover. We're still primarily SCT for Ecoboost vehicles but the number of customers switching to HPTuners with either an MVPI2 or the nGauge is steadily increasing.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 30, 2020, 09:09:13 AM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 02:01:37 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 29, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Is Ortiz tuning SHO's with HPT now? I believe Unleashed is the only other vendor tuning SHO's with HPT.

My personal SHO has been HPT tuned since January. It's still an evolving platform and we have several tickets in for adjustments but so far the peace of mind alone and smoothness of operation is worth the changeover. We're still primarily SCT for Ecoboost vehicles but the number of customers switching to HPTuners with either an MVPI2 or the nGauge is steadily increasing.

I believe a lot of hesitation with moving to HPT was the issue of being able to pull the tunes of cars and steal them. Is this not an issue anymore?
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
You can read SCT tunes with HPTUNERS. I think the ngauge is the only way to lock hpt. I really need to get a new vehicle. I've been using the company vehicle for everything but I can't modify it!
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 30, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
You can read SCT tunes with HPTUNERS. I think the ngauge is the only way to lock hpt. I really need to get a new vehicle. I've been using the company vehicle for everything but I can't modify it!

True, but you can change the strategy with SCT (and probably HPT) which would require a call into HPT to have the tune file unlocked for reading. Not sure how much of a process that is, but that was my understanding.

Ultimately, if HPT provides a better tuning experience with more power developed safely then it absolutely would be the way to go. I know SCT has been lagging behind a lot over the past couple years.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 30, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
You can read SCT tunes with HPTUNERS. I think the ngauge is the only way to lock hpt. I really need to get a new vehicle. I've been using the company vehicle for everything but I can't modify it!

True, but you can change the strategy with SCT (and probably HPT) which would require a call into HPT to have the tune file unlocked for reading. Not sure how much of a process that is, but that was my understanding.

Ultimately, if HPT provides a better tuning experience with more power developed safely then it absolutely would be the way to go. I know SCT has been lagging behind a lot over the past couple years.

Yes, that is still a concern with HPTuners. HPT offers the ability to scramble the strategy but it's a $5000 package. We told them we had no problem paying that IF they made the changes we wanted so we could fully utilize the tuning capability, but a las, the ticket is still open 5 months later...
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
The strategy change is easy to reverse once you know where its stored. The only upside being most users don't have someone to hexedit for them. A good tuner won't lock a file, they don't need to. Ive dumped tons of tunes and compared them and they aren't much different.  The biggest thing is how far some tuners push the limit as far as rich/lean and cylinder pressure/torque limiting. Some tuners tweak a lot more than others but most users probably don't even notice.

I used ajpturbo primarily because he explained everything he saw and did and why.

Think of it this way, you can't steal experience. Knowing what number to type in vs knowing why is huge.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
The strategy change is easy to reverse once you know where its stored. The only upside being most users don't have someone to hexedit for them. A good tuner won't lock a file, they don't need to. Ive dumped tons of tunes and compared them and they aren't much different.  The biggest thing is how far some tuners push the limit as far as rich/lean and cylinder pressure/torque limiting. Some tuners tweak a lot more than others but most users probably don't even notice.

I used ajpturbo primarily because he explained everything he saw and did and why.

Think of it this way, you can't steal experience. Knowing what number to type in vs knowing why is huge.

The concern is never for the customer, if they want to take an MVPI2 and modify the tune, be my guest just have the integrity to own it if you blow up. The concern is with competing tuners stealing the data when they can't figure something out, I've seen many times where they buy a $150 tune from another tuner who took the time to figure it out themselves and then they run a compare file in VCM Editor to see what is different and copy/paste.

Customers figure this out pretty quick when things don't go as planned, but doesn't stop it from happening.

You can lock the door to your house too, but a determined thief is still going to find a way in. The best we can do is keep the weak ones out.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
A lock keeps most honest men honest.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
The strategy change is easy to reverse once you know where its stored. The only upside being most users don't have someone to hexedit for them. A good tuner won't lock a file, they don't need to. Ive dumped tons of tunes and compared them and they aren't much different.  The biggest thing is how far some tuners push the limit as far as rich/lean and cylinder pressure/torque limiting. Some tuners tweak a lot more than others but most users probably don't even notice.

I used ajpturbo primarily because he explained everything he saw and did and why.

Think of it this way, you can't steal experience. Knowing what number to type in vs knowing why is huge.

The concern is never for the customer, if they want to take an MVPI2 and modify the tune, be my guest just have the integrity to own it if you blow up. The concern is with competing tuners stealing the data when they can't figure something out, I've seen many times where they buy a $150 tune from another tuner who took the time to figure it out themselves and then they run a compare file in VCM Editor to see what is different and copy/paste.

Customers figure this out pretty quick when things don't go as planned, but doesn't stop it from happening.

You can lock the door to your house too, but a determined thief is still going to find a way in. The best we can do is keep the weak ones out.


Its shifty to screw over a user because of competition though.

The same way laws work....for law abiding citizens.  I get it, I just don't like the double edge.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
A lock keeps most honest men honest.

So either congress has no locks....or...
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
A lock keeps most honest men honest.

So either congress has no locks....or...

My only comment on that is...."Absolute Power Corrupts".
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:42:13 PM

Its shifty to screw over a user because of competition though.


Not sure I understand the reference. This is why you have to carefully research your tuning decision before making a purchase. Or you're the guy that buys OBX downpipes knowing that they are a direct copy of gen 1 Stainless Works for $450 and require modification to work on a PP even though Stainless Works has Gen 2 pipes that work without modification.

If you support the thief, but you only get partial service, who wins?
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
A lock keeps most honest men honest.

So either congress has no locks....or...

My only comment on that is...."Absolute Power Corrupts".

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 01:30:18 PM
A lock keeps most honest men honest.

So either congress has no locks....or...

My only comment on that is...."Absolute Power Corrupts".

Only a Sith deals in absolutes...

My C19 Helmet.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:42:13 PM

Its shifty to screw over a user because of competition though.


Not sure I understand the reference. This is why you have to carefully research your tuning decision before making a purchase. Or you're the guy that buys OBX downpipes knowing that they are a direct copy of gen 1 Stainless Works for $450 and require modification to work on a PP even though Stainless Works has Gen 2 pipes that work without modification.

If you support the thief, but you only get partial service, who wins?

Let's do a # of tuners vs a # of  customers:

You lock the tune to prevent say 10(random#) tuners from stealing
This prevents small tweaks such as tire size and lots of aftermarket software from working properly for say (random#)10,000 users.

So yeah you avoided the few thieves.

But now for the real example. Say my tuner dies unexpectedly and  I have a tune that is perfect but I have a new mod that needs a slight tweak.(let's use thermostatfor example) should I have to buy a whole new tune and start from scratch?
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: SM105K on June 30, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 01:42:13 PM

Its shifty to screw over a user because of competition though.


Not sure I understand the reference. This is why you have to carefully research your tuning decision before making a purchase. Or you're the guy that buys OBX downpipes knowing that they are a direct copy of gen 1 Stainless Works for $450 and require modification to work on a PP even though Stainless Works has Gen 2 pipes that work without modification.

If you support the thief, but you only get partial service, who wins?

Let's do a # of tuners vs a # of  customers:

You lock the tune to prevent say 10(random#) tuners from stealing
This prevents small tweaks such as tire size and lots of aftermarket software from working properly for say (random#)10,000 users.

So yeah you avoided the few thieves.

But now for the real example. Say my tuner dies unexpectedly and  I have a tune that is perfect but I have a new mod that needs a slight tweak.(let's use thermostatfor example) should I have to buy a whole new tune and start from scratch?

If you use another tuner to change a tune then yes. 

Title: nGauge FAQs
Post by: StealBlueSho on June 30, 2020, 04:03:16 PM
At the end of the day I support tuners protecting their IP. And as far as I am concerned, the amount of time a tuner spends messing with tables to get the desired results is part of that IP.

So if someone completely rips off someone else's tune, that could be decades and years of knowledge that someone is taking as their own.

Now the real danger here is not the average Joe who rips it and tweaks himself into oblivion. That is zero revenue lost to the tuner...

Its the guys who open up a shop say "Super Secret Inc" and sell said tunes to 100's of people... that's when the damage happens.

Tuners make no money off a single data logged tune if you think of the time spent on it... one customer who has a interesting issue in the tune wipes out any hours gained on a few straight forward sales... so they have to sell a ton of tunes to support a business...

Look at the prices for tunes on other platforms that require data logging.. its significantly more than the $150 we pay.. a custom tune on almost any other platform is stupid pricey..

So the argument of should tuners lock their tunes? I would simply say yes, if anything, to prevent Joe from opening a tooning shop, and just reselling a tune they don't understand... and heaven knows if they tweaked it not understanding the full impact of their modifications..

I could go on... but for those worried about adjusting wheels sizes, etc.. in MOST cases, a tuner will make that change if you need it.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: 4sfed on June 30, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but...what does HPT offer for our platform, that SCT doesn't?  What can it do that SCT doesn't offer?

I ask because it was my understanding that HPT has yet to unlock or decode (or whatever) all the tables or information, in the EcoBoost ECU.  Is that not the case?
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 30, 2020, 04:03:16 PM
At the end of the day I support tuners protecting their IP. And as far as I am concerned, the amount of time a tuner spends messing with tables to get the desired results is part of that IP.

So if someone completely rips off someone else's tune, that could be decades and years of knowledge that someone is taking as their own.

Now the real danger here is not the average Joe who rips it and tweaks himself into oblivion. That is zero revenue lost to the tuner...

Its the guys who open up a shop say "Super Secret Inc" and sell said tunes to 100's of people... that's when the damage happens.

Tuners make no money off a single data logged tune if you think of the time spent on it... one customer who has a interesting issue in the tune wipes out any hours gained on a few straight forward sales... so they have to sell a ton of tunes to support a business...

Look at the prices for tunes on other platforms that require data logging.. its significantly more than the $150 we pay.. a custom tune on almost any other platform is stupid pricey..

So the argument of should tuners lock their tunes? I would simply say yes, if anything, to prevent Joe from opening a tooning shop, and just reselling a tune they don't understand... and heaven knows if they tweaked it not understanding the full impact of their modifications..

I could go on... but for those worried about adjusting wheels sizes, etc.. in MOST cases, a tuner will make that change if you need it.

So if someone downloads a movie, they would have definitely went to see it otherwise right? The lost revenue argument doesn't hold up.

This isn't like a book or movie/music...you can't just make 100 copies and sell em. You wouldn't need datalogging if it was that easy.

Surely this IP can be copyrighted then? Patented?
Oh....so this is more like adjusting a pass through filter. I'm just tweaking existing settings...and if by chance I match the timing curve of another...I'm stealing erm "plagiarizing" if you will.

My point is only the end user is harmed. If a tuner wants to steal a tune(which most tunes aren't swappable between cars...except gearhead AO)
They will most likely do a bin dump. There is no current protection against this.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 30, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but...what does HPT offer for our platform, that SCT doesn't?  What can it do that SCT doesn't offer?

I ask because it was my understanding that HPT has yet to unlock or decode (or whatever) all the tables or information, in the EcoBoost ECU.  Is that not the case?
Pre 2013 they are missing a lot. Post 2013 they have just as many. Post 2018 they have surpassed sct.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: 4sfed on June 30, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Pre 2013 they are missing a lot. Post 2013 they have just as many. Post 2018 they have surpassed sct.

Assuming my tuner supports it, would it be worth switching from SCT to HPT?
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 30, 2020, 04:56:53 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Pre 2013 they are missing a lot. Post 2013 they have just as many. Post 2018 they have surpassed sct.

Assuming my tuner supports it, would it be worth switching from SCT to HPT?

This would be a question for Ortiz I'd say.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on June 30, 2020, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on June 30, 2020, 04:03:16 PM
At the end of the day I support tuners protecting their IP. And as far as I am concerned, the amount of time a tuner spends messing with tables to get the desired results is part of that IP.

So if someone completely rips off someone else's tune, that could be decades and years of knowledge that someone is taking as their own.

Now the real danger here is not the average Joe who rips it and tweaks himself into oblivion. That is zero revenue lost to the tuner...

Its the guys who open up a shop say "Super Secret Inc" and sell said tunes to 100's of people... that's when the damage happens.

Tuners make no money off a single data logged tune if you think of the time spent on it... one customer who has a interesting issue in the tune wipes out any hours gained on a few straight forward sales... so they have to sell a ton of tunes to support a business...

Look at the prices for tunes on other platforms that require data logging.. its significantly more than the $150 we pay.. a custom tune on almost any other platform is stupid pricey..

So the argument of should tuners lock their tunes? I would simply say yes, if anything, to prevent Joe from opening a tooning shop, and just reselling a tune they don't understand... and heaven knows if they tweaked it not understanding the full impact of their modifications..

I could go on... but for those worried about adjusting wheels sizes, etc.. in MOST cases, a tuner will make that change if you need it.

So if someone downloads a movie, they would have definitely went to see it otherwise right? The lost revenue argument doesn't hold up.

This isn't like a book or movie/music...you can't just make 100 copies and sell em. You wouldn't need datalogging if it was that easy.

Surely this IP can be copyrighted then? Patented?
Oh....so this is more like adjusting a pass through filter. I'm just tweaking existing settings...and if by chance I match the timing curve of another...I'm stealing erm "plagiarizing" if you will.

My point is only the end user is harmed. If a tuner wants to steal a tune(which most tunes aren't swappable between cars...except gearhead AO)
They will most likely do a bin dump. There is no current protection against this.

You could copyright a tune, but you'd be copyrighting that exact coded development, and since every car is a different strategy, setup and configuration you'd go broke trying to protect your investment and it would be counter intuitive. Instead the industry relies on integrity between calibration engineers to not steal or copy data from one another. Does it happen? Most definitely as people will do anything to make a buck. But much like a mechanical component, hours of R&D goes into the development of a proper calibration and rather than charge $1000 per tune like some Mustang tuners, we rely on volume from the market to make up the difference.

Luis has monthly classes both online and in person to teach Mustang tuning. He's had many clients offer large sums of money to purchase his templates, but there is a certain art with tuning that is refined only through trial and error to understand why the changes are needed and what each tuning modification affects in the long run.

If you look hard enough, there are services out there that cater to the DIYer and actually have ripped HPT files from many tuners. Last I saw many of Gearhead's diesel files were on there for $20 each, as well as most of Lund's calibrations.

I know we're all trying to get through this game as cheap as possible, but when you buy a tune you aren't just buying a file, you're buying a tuner's experience, knowledge and expertise on the platform. Post sale support is just as important as the pre-sale marketing.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 11:33:45 PM
there is a certain art with tuning that is refined only through trial and error to understand why the changes are needed and what each tuning modification affects in the long run.


This right here is what I'm saying and thats all that matters to anyone who  buys a tune from their tuner.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on December 17, 2020, 12:39:11 AM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 30, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but...what does HPT offer for our platform, that SCT doesn't?  What can it do that SCT doesn't offer?

I ask because it was my understanding that HPT has yet to unlock or decode (or whatever) all the tables or information, in the EcoBoost ECU.  Is that not the case?
Pre 2013 they are missing a lot. Post 2013 they have just as many. Post 2018 they have surpassed sct.


As of this week the 13-17 SHOs now have all of the features of the 18+. Took a lot of effort but we got it done. Along with some new features pushed to all 13+ strategies.
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: Admin on December 17, 2020, 09:27:30 AM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on December 17, 2020, 12:39:11 AM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 30, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but...what does HPT offer for our platform, that SCT doesn't?  What can it do that SCT doesn't offer?

I ask because it was my understanding that HPT has yet to unlock or decode (or whatever) all the tables or information, in the EcoBoost ECU.  Is that not the case?
Pre 2013 they are missing a lot. Post 2013 they have just as many. Post 2018 they have surpassed sct.


As of this week the 13-17 SHOs now have all of the features of the 18+. Took a lot of effort but we got it done. Along with some new features pushed to all 13+ strategies.

So what advantages does this give SHO owners over SCT? If you are already tuned using SCT is it worth the money to switch to HPT?
Title: Re: nGauge FAQs
Post by: FiveLeeter918 on December 17, 2020, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: Admin on December 17, 2020, 09:27:30 AM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on December 17, 2020, 12:39:11 AM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on June 30, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: 4sfed on June 30, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but...what does HPT offer for our platform, that SCT doesn't?  What can it do that SCT doesn't offer?

I ask because it was my understanding that HPT has yet to unlock or decode (or whatever) all the tables or information, in the EcoBoost ECU.  Is that not the case?
Pre 2013 they are missing a lot. Post 2013 they have just as many. Post 2018 they have surpassed sct.


As of this week the 13-17 SHOs now have all of the features of the 18+. Took a lot of effort but we got it done. Along with some new features pushed to all 13+ strategies.

So what advantages does this give SHO owners over SCT? If you are already tuned using SCT is it worth the money to switch to HPT?


At the moment, it just levels the playing field. At least in the HPTuned SHOs that we've done. I haven't had a chance to load the new tune yet to see what difference it made, but I know WSHO was getting a good lesson in patience waiting for me to swap to the XDI-60 so I could sell him my 35, but couldn't because HPTuners didn't have the ability to set the current changes for the new pump. Since I was tuned with SCT first and ported over to HPTuners it was working fine for me in the background, just had not user input options to modify after the fact.


I'm still not a huge fan of the nGauge on the SHO, I'm definitely glad that I have a MPVI2 as well for logging, the nGauge is just severely limited with only being able to log 13 parameters at once, it really slows the process down and even still you only have generic values to log, which are 90% based on the Mustang. Most overlap, but the Ecoboost specific stuff just isn't there. Basic tunes it's great, but once you get to things that really need adjustment, you really need an MVPI2. I might pick up a few and lease them out to our nGauge customers once they reach that point, but we're definitely a lot closer than we were 6 months ago or even 2 weeks ago.
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