SOOO... I have the P0016 code coming up and have read about everything with the timing issues on these beasts. My question is if anyone has replaced the cam position sensors to see if it is a pick up issue causing the code. I have a buddy at a ford garage and he said that most likely not going to be the case up they have only had 1 timing issue on a car but quite a few f150s. sucks that i have no warranty on this baby and looking at 2500 to 3000 in repair cost. have 160k on the beast and just hate putting that kind of money into it when the rest of the motor and turbos will remain old. so that brings up a second question about a long block and what the price tag for one of those are. anyone have an idea on the cost of those? thanks for help in advance!
Quote from: 2013blksho on June 20, 2018, 08:49:23 AM
SOOO... I have the P0016 code coming up and have read about everything with the timing issues on these beasts. My question is if anyone has replaced the cam position sensors to see if it is a pick up issue causing the code. I have a buddy at a ford garage and he said that most likely not going to be the case up they have only had 1 timing issue on a car but quite a few f150s. sucks that i have no warranty on this baby and looking at 2500 to 3000 in repair cost. have 160k on the beast and just hate putting that kind of money into it when the rest of the motor and turbos will remain old. so that brings up a second question about a long block and what the price tag for one of those are. anyone have an idea on the cost of those? thanks for help in advance!
As i have Been Done this Road Before:
5100.00 with 1000.00 Core SO 4100.00 Plus Extra Parts May of 2017 :(
Mine is getting a long block installed to the tune of $9k. Stuck injector.
dang!! 9k... i would call livernois and see what they can do a long block for. i see they have improved guides for the timing. do they have other improved timing parts?
they only thing weird with my p0016 is that the check engine light will be speratic. it will be on for a while and then will just turn off. i was reading on other vehicals with similar VCT systems and they state that there are some testing that needs to be done before they say that the timing needs to be changed. i know that the stretch is an issue but my car doesnt make any noise and still pulls hard(which I know I'm playing with fire there) only live once so when someone pulls next to you have to SHO them a little turbo...lol. does anyone know about the oil control valve or is this called the solenoid valve in ford language. some other manufacters have issues with screens and plugging up. that can cause every symptom of p0016 but not accutaly be the timing chain. i know I'm looking for a way around this massive bill but can you blame me.
Since I don't have an EB vehicle, I don't know whether the VCTADVERR PID is available to you or not. That will help point the way towards solenoids or chains. Disconnecting the solenoids will fix the timing and if the errors continue to show up, then most likely it is chains/phasers.
Thanks I will have to read into this. It makes complete sense. thanks again.
soooo... I replaced both of the cam position sensors and now the check engine light doesnt come on anymore. has anyone had this experience with the p0016 code?
Nice, did you use "Camshaft Position Sensor Part Number: BL3Z-6B288-C" for $8.11 a piece? If so thats a pretty good inexpensive fix to a potentially huge problem...
Quote from: 2013blksho on July 12, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
soooo... I replaced both of the cam position sensors and now the check engine light doesnt come on anymore. has anyone had this experience with the p0016 code?
Yes but only on a naturally aspirated 3.5 engine, and 1 instance so far.
autobahn that part # is correct for 2013+. 2010-12 are not so lucky.
10 AT4Z-6B288-A Camshaft Position Sensor
3.5 LITER W/ TURBO
$104.58 $66.15
Ouch, big mark up for the older models...
yup they have been doing that for at least the last few years now.
ya each were 7 something. I also bought the crank position sensor but haven't changed it yet. one thought i had is if the cam and crank sensors start going bad before any CEL could it be causing the VCT system work harder causing wear on components??? who knows???...
Certainly could but miniscule in the greater scheme of things. AFAIK nobody has published data on how these sensors age. Is it gradual is it sudden etc.
I was able to get a low mile complete engine out of a wrecked 2015 Interceptor Utility last year for $2400 on eBay. Bit of a gamble buying an eBay motor but mine's been running great for 12k miles now and the seller had a good reputation. Only thing wrong with it was a cracked rear turbo housing from the accident, but the turbos and exhaust manifolds weren't even promised, so no biggie. Point being, there are some good deals on junk yard motors.
Sorry to re kindle. But I'm having same issue. P0016 code. Engine maybe 62k miles. Absolutely no rattle or any issues on start up or driving. Check engine light would come on and turn back off at times. It was Bank 1 code. So I changed the bank 1 VTAC solenoid and cleared the code. Seemed to be good. Then the stupid light popped back on again. Same code. Any ideas? Electrical connectors seem in tact for the plug.
Somewhere I read in here that oil viscosity can effect the VTACs or the signal to them ? I could be confusing it with another part of the "timing system".
Maybe replace the other one since they are not too expensive ?
Sometimes it actually IS the cam position sensor. I would look into that. Hopefully just dirt in the connector, but a relatively easy fix also if replacement is required. Most times, P0016 is correlated with timing chains/rest of the timing system on that side of the engine. But in the absence of rattles, I would look to the CPS.
Ok. Does anyone know where this camshaft positioning sensor may be located? Its a bank one code, so closest to firewall. That's the side I changed the VTAC solenoid. Checked the plug for the solenoid and all looked good.
Well it looks as if I would need to remove the timing chain and all anyways, as they are the phasers that are the sensor or something... I dunno. Damn it.....
Here is a Diagram of the (CMP1)! Hope it help's any. Z
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2nauw76.jpg)
The CPS are on the air intake side of the engine, on the side of the engine basically just underneath the valve cover flange.
Removal and Installation (2010 SHO manual, but should be same for your Flex)
Both sensors
Remove the Air Cleaner (ACL) outlet pipe and the ACL . For additional information, refer to Section 303-12 .
RH sensor
Position the RH turbocharger intake tube aside. For additional information, refer to Intake Air System Components — Exploded View in Section 303-12 .
LH sensor
Position the LH turbocharger intake tube aside. For additional information, refer to Intake Air System Components — Exploded View in Section 303-12 .
Both sensors
Disconnect the Camshaft Position (CMP) sensor electrical connector.
Remove the bolt and the CMP sensor.
To install, tighten to 10 Nm (89 lb-in).
NOTE: Lubricate the CMP sensor O-ring seal with clean engine oil.
To install, reverse the removal procedure.
Sadly anything Flex EB related is gone from Ford/dealer sites, so I cannot snatch a diagram from there to show the layout ...
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,flex,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3298524,ignition,camshaft+position+sensor,7192 (https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2014,flex,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,3298524,ignition,camshaft+position+sensor,7192)
https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-sensor-camshaft-po_bl3z-6b288-a.html?Make=Ford&Model=Flex&Year=2013&Submodel=&Filter=(30734) (https://www.fordpartsgiant.com/parts/ford-sensor-camshaft-po_bl3z-6b288-a.html?Make=Ford&Model=Flex&Year=2013&Submodel=&Filter=(30734))
So to confirm the rear valve cover needs to be removed to access the Bank 2 solenoid! Z
Great!! that helps a lot!!! I will have to check that connector as well before changing. I am only getting bank one so I will see what I can come up with. THANK YOU!!!