I had the splash guard off because it is busted .. and taking it off has revealed a cyclical ''whirring/whining noise'' on deceleration only in third gear.
it pulses rapidly in PITCH, and it correlates to vehicle speed, slower speed = less swings in volume and pitch, faster = more volume and pitch
going up a gear stops the noise
going down a gear stops the noise
going to neutral stops the noise
the trans shifts fine between gears in manual mode and auto mode .. no hesitation or slow shifts
I assume it is NOT a solenoid.. but in the off chance anyone has heard this noise i thought id reach out and see what everyone says .. TY in advance.
Being 3rd gear only takes away the CV joints.
NM you said cyclical. I misread clicking lol
Car in dealership for diagnosis.. fingers crossed for a solenoid control pack.. but logic says the rhythmic nature says bearings and
That I'm boned.
Ford tech thinks the bearings on #3 are done. To much torque .. :D Were tearing it down to review. ... many days no car ... luuuuuuaaaaammmmmeee.
?rent a mustang? ... hmm
Oh man. You are the first here with that issue. That sucks.
Rent a Fiesta. Then you will appreciate your car more when you get it back. LOL
may be a blessing in disguise. some gen 5's had issues with 3-5-R (posted in an SSM by Ford), so it is a good time to discover any other weaknesses. including torque converter, pump, etc. a true rebuild will be worth it, even tho heavy duty components are not really available. unless bpd has an update 4 us :)
tss/oss/solenoid body replacement or at least verified. valve body cleaning.
good luck.
Quote from: SHOdded on April 02, 2021, 07:02:10 AM
may be a blessing in disguise. some gen 5's had issues with 3-5-R (posted in an SSM by Ford), so it is a good time to discover any other weaknesses. including torque converter, pump, etc. a true rebuild will be worth it, even tho heavy duty components are not really available. unless bpd has an update 4 us :)
tss/oss/solenoid body replacement or at least verified. valve body cleaning.
good luck.
Got a guy in town who refuses to run under 600hp on his '11 .. he has done in 3 trannys.. ALL have failed due to third gear. His grandparents own/run a tranny shop so he just rips it out and rebuilds it.
I think mine failed because I ran it too much in manual mode, and did too many pulls in 3rd from 2200-2500 to red line in the VERY early tuning days before knowing any better. I'm sure i shortened the ever living crap out of them. Add to that flooring it from OD to 3rd at 70-ish mph probably induces a lot of stress as well. Tranny made it to 95k .. tbh i'm not surprised given the early abuse. It also seems like these trans with the non-servicable filter start having greatly increasing odds of general failure after 120k. given how much i drive that would be only two more years. :P
cost of doing business in the tuning game. ( :'( cry... so so costly)
Yeah that sucks.
I guess once you do it once. Its easy after that cept on the wallet.
Ford is stumped like I am .. but now i have a audio file! I clamped an old cell phone r under the car and recorded it. anyone have an idea based on the sound ??
Attached is a WAV/Audio file .. if you play it on a pc/mac and tun it up a little you can hear the noise from 13 seconds to 20 seconds the most clearly.
This noise is the most pronounced if you let off the gas and coast. if you coast long enough in third .. it downshifts to 2nd on its own and the noise stops.
Any thoughts? I do not think TQ converter or planetary since the noise stops in any other gear as far as I can tell.. its a weird issue.
Here is a youtube link to the audio... the audio file may not play since I had to name it mpg to upload it
https://youtu.be/xHjwErlCzzE
I am not a mechanic, but surely sounds rotational to me..
Quote from: Admin on April 09, 2021, 01:40:22 PM
I am not a mechanic, but surely sounds rotational to me..
Agree .. But only in Third. Bad news bears ..
Quote from: Admin on April 09, 2021, 01:40:22 PM
I am not a mechanic, but surely sounds rotational to me..
Wait .. are you suggesting a wheel bearing? The shop manager also ''sorta'' hinted at a wheel bearing .. but could not explain the noise stopping in 2nd or 4th.
Ford has taken 30 days to order a stethoscope ... but they now think the issue is a PTU that is less then 24 months old o.0 .. they will do a test drive with the ''ears'' as the tech called it later today .. or at least they say ..
Fingers crossed. Ptu is chump change ..
verdict : Torrington bearing is on the way out. Lucky me .. :(
Quote from: TopherSho on April 28, 2021, 07:29:25 PM
verdict : Torrington bearing is on the way out. Lucky me .. :(
not sure if that is a part type or a company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrington_Company
maybe generic like Xerox for copy.
Quote from: SHOdded on April 30, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on April 28, 2021, 07:29:25 PM
verdict : Torrington bearing is on the way out. Lucky me .. :(
not sure if that is a part type or a company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrington_Company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrington_Company)
maybe generic like Xerox for copy.
Dude is pretty old school .. it is likely akin to needle bearings or some such.. I looked up ''torrington'' and found different info. But I do know the tranny is bad.. it is a fact i knew going in so im not doubting their verdict or the call on the tranny bearing toast.. as for that ''part''.. it is a new term to me ....
Quote from: TopherSho on April 28, 2021, 07:29:25 PM
verdict : Torrington bearing is on the way out. Lucky me .. :(
So I am assuming that means a rebuild? Any thoughts on looking into Level 10 for upgrades?
https://www.levelten.com/
I know a person with a different platform. Nissan. They got a level 10 Trans. It turned out to be just a Junkyard trans cleaned up with a "Upgraded" Valve pack. As far as I am concerned. They are a Joke compared to what they once were.
Quote from: Macgyver on May 03, 2021, 08:33:00 PM
I know a person with a different platform. Nissan. They got a level 10 Trans. It turned out to be just a Junkyard trans cleaned up with a "Upgraded" Valve pack. As far as I am concerned. They are a Joke compared to what they once were.
Ford Remanned on the way in .. I looked into the ''built'' options and I just could not trust them enough. I am done with this platform so this will be the last fix. I hope to get 2 more years with AJP's last tune update + the high flow CATS then I will either set it on fire or trade it in for a Tesla dual motor something on the second hand tesla circuit or a SRT8 that is built from the get-go.
Yeah I am intrigued with a Fast electric. I am sure they are a blast to drive.
And back on the road now. Took for damned ever. Solved the issue.
That is the last major repair :( next major breakdown is game over for this platform. It is a hoot.. but this is a just a huge money drain.
*final update on this thread*
Finally figured out what made the last tranny fail. In talks with the Tranny tech at ford the tear down revealed : Apparently there is a 'wavy' disk in the clutch pack that was not as wavy anymore.
Cause : possible of three
(1) "to many hard launches" with to many people in the car. like the hellcats and over-tuned SRTs if you do hard launches with a car full of people and to much grip and not enough 'give' in the suspension and drivetrain it just overstresses the components. and this one failed. you can get away with it many times.. but it will fail eventually. I admit, I have hard launched with 3 passengers on many occasions. not like dozens.. but definitely done it a bakers dozen or more.
(2) I ran it to hard 'cold' and the fluid did not protect said wavy disk, fluid flows slower and thicker colder, and he theorized if i ran it too hard cold the fluid simply did not flow fast enough to pull heat out of the disk, or it just did not flow fats enough and it got hot, soft and got smooshy. >but this I do not do. like SBS,BPD,FoMoCoSho I wait 15 minutes of actual travel time before hammering it<
(3) the ''1st tuner'' I had did not put in torque control on shifts .. and it got banged up in the 1st few YEARS of drag racing at PIR and WoodBurn and just elected to eat the disk a bit later in life..
Quote from: TopherSho on June 22, 2021, 01:17:19 PM
*final update on this thread*
Finally figured out what made the last tranny fail. In talks with the Tranny tech at ford the tear down revealed : Apparently there is a 'wavy' disk in the clutch pack that was not as wavy anymore.
Cause : possible of three
(1) "to many hard launches" with to many people in the car. like the hellcats and over-tuned SRTs if you do hard launches with a car full of people and to much grip and not enough 'give' in the suspension and drivetrain it just overstresses the components. and this one failed. you can get away with it many times.. but it will fail eventually. I admit, I have hard launched with 3 passengers on many occasions. not like dozens.. but definitely done it a bakers dozen or more.
(2) I ran it to hard 'cold' and the fluid did not protect said wavy disk, fluid flows slower and thicker colder, and he theorized if i ran it too hard cold the fluid simply did not flow fast enough to pull heat out of the disk, or it just did not flow fats enough and it got hot, soft and got smooshy. >but this I do not do. like SBS,BPD,FoMoCoSho I wait 15 minutes of actual travel time before hammering it<
(3) the ''1st tuner'' I had did not put in torque control on shifts .. and it got banged up in the 1st few YEARS of drag racing at PIR and WoodBurn and just elected to eat the disk a bit later in life..
Wow. Thanks for keeping everyone in the loop! That is certainly some interesting information. Hopefully you get everything buttoned backup soon!!
I have heard stories on other platforms of failures due to too much weight from the passengers during launch. Crazy but true.
Quote from: Admin on June 23, 2021, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 22, 2021, 01:17:19 PM
*final update on this thread*
Finally figured out what made the last tranny fail. In talks with the Tranny tech at ford the tear down revealed : Apparently there is a 'wavy' disk in the clutch pack that was not as wavy anymore.
Cause : possible of three
(1) "to many hard launches" with to many people in the car. like the hellcats and over-tuned SRTs if you do hard launches with a car full of people and to much grip and not enough 'give' in the suspension and drivetrain it just overstresses the components. and this one failed. you can get away with it many times.. but it will fail eventually. I admit, I have hard launched with 3 passengers on many occasions. not like dozens.. but definitely done it a bakers dozen or more.
(2) I ran it to hard 'cold' and the fluid did not protect said wavy disk, fluid flows slower and thicker colder, and he theorized if i ran it too hard cold the fluid simply did not flow fast enough to pull heat out of the disk, or it just did not flow fats enough and it got hot, soft and got smooshy. >but this I do not do. like SBS,BPD,FoMoCoSho I wait 15 minutes of actual travel time before hammering it<
(3) the ''1st tuner'' I had did not put in torque control on shifts .. and it got banged up in the 1st few YEARS of drag racing at PIR and WoodBurn and just elected to eat the disk a bit later in life..
Wow. Thanks for keeping everyone in the loop! That is certainly some interesting information. Hopefully you get everything buttoned backup soon!!
I have heard stories on other platforms of failures due to too much weight from the passengers during launch. Crazy but true.
Interesting side note, the tranny .. the fill spout is now 'tilted' and not flat and flush on the new tranny case .. and the tech filled the fluid level up to the TOP of the metal 'slug' that the fill/full markings is on. Which is coincidently EXACTLY where I had to have my old one filled to keep the tranny from ''letting go'' on hard launches and ''chattering'' in 1st gear.
Quote from: TopherSho on June 23, 2021, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: Admin on June 23, 2021, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 22, 2021, 01:17:19 PM
*final update on this thread*
Finally figured out what made the last tranny fail. In talks with the Tranny tech at ford the tear down revealed : Apparently there is a 'wavy' disk in the clutch pack that was not as wavy anymore.
Cause : possible of three
(1) "to many hard launches" with to many people in the car. like the hellcats and over-tuned SRTs if you do hard launches with a car full of people and to much grip and not enough 'give' in the suspension and drivetrain it just overstresses the components. and this one failed. you can get away with it many times.. but it will fail eventually. I admit, I have hard launched with 3 passengers on many occasions. not like dozens.. but definitely done it a bakers dozen or more.
(2) I ran it to hard 'cold' and the fluid did not protect said wavy disk, fluid flows slower and thicker colder, and he theorized if i ran it too hard cold the fluid simply did not flow fast enough to pull heat out of the disk, or it just did not flow fats enough and it got hot, soft and got smooshy. >but this I do not do. like SBS,BPD,FoMoCoSho I wait 15 minutes of actual travel time before hammering it<
(3) the ''1st tuner'' I had did not put in torque control on shifts .. and it got banged up in the 1st few YEARS of drag racing at PIR and WoodBurn and just elected to eat the disk a bit later in life..
Wow. Thanks for keeping everyone in the loop! That is certainly some interesting information. Hopefully you get everything buttoned backup soon!!
I have heard stories on other platforms of failures due to too much weight from the passengers during launch. Crazy but true.
Interesting side note, the tranny .. the fill spout is now 'tilted' and not flat and flush on the new tranny case .. and the tech filled the fluid level up to the TOP of the metal 'slug' that the fill/full markings is on. Which is coincidently EXACTLY where I had to have my old one filled to keep the tranny from ''letting go'' on hard launches and ''chattering'' in 1st gear.
Did they rebuilt or replace the transmission?
Quote from: Admin on June 24, 2021, 02:08:57 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 23, 2021, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: Admin on June 23, 2021, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 22, 2021, 01:17:19 PM
*final update on this thread*
Finally figured out what made the last tranny fail. In talks with the Tranny tech at ford the tear down revealed : Apparently there is a 'wavy' disk in the clutch pack that was not as wavy anymore.
Cause : possible of three
(1) "to many hard launches" with to many people in the car. like the hellcats and over-tuned SRTs if you do hard launches with a car full of people and to much grip and not enough 'give' in the suspension and drivetrain it just overstresses the components. and this one failed. you can get away with it many times.. but it will fail eventually. I admit, I have hard launched with 3 passengers on many occasions. not like dozens.. but definitely done it a bakers dozen or more.
(2) I ran it to hard 'cold' and the fluid did not protect said wavy disk, fluid flows slower and thicker colder, and he theorized if i ran it too hard cold the fluid simply did not flow fast enough to pull heat out of the disk, or it just did not flow fats enough and it got hot, soft and got smooshy. >but this I do not do. like SBS,BPD,FoMoCoSho I wait 15 minutes of actual travel time before hammering it<
(3) the ''1st tuner'' I had did not put in torque control on shifts .. and it got banged up in the 1st few YEARS of drag racing at PIR and WoodBurn and just elected to eat the disk a bit later in life..
Wow. Thanks for keeping everyone in the loop! That is certainly some interesting information. Hopefully you get everything buttoned backup soon!!
I have heard stories on other platforms of failures due to too much weight from the passengers during launch. Crazy but true.
Interesting side note, the tranny .. the fill spout is now 'tilted' and not flat and flush on the new tranny case .. and the tech filled the fluid level up to the TOP of the metal 'slug' that the fill/full markings is on. Which is coincidently EXACTLY where I had to have my old one filled to keep the tranny from ''letting go'' on hard launches and ''chattering'' in 1st gear.
Did they rebuilt or replace the transmission?
Replace with 'Ford authorized' reman unit.
Additional follow up.. this new tranny is behaving WAY better then the OEM unit. Shifts like butter when cruising .. crisp under load.
Quote from: TopherSho on June 26, 2021, 03:59:22 PM
Additional follow up.. this new tranny is behaving WAY better then the OEM unit. Shifts like butter when cruising .. crisp under load.
That is great news
Your Ford ReMan should have all the latest updates included, so any identifiable problems in the past years should be corrected out of the box.
I've been inside these, and although I'm not a dedicated transmission Tech, I'm inclined to believe the noise cant be related to the clutch pack wave washer as it's strictly related to apply but it's a mute point now that you've replace it. Most likely bearing or planetary gear related.
The tool your dealer was talking about is commonly referred to as chasis ears. It's a series of mictophones that can be placed on different points/components and as the noise is happening you switch microphones to identify the area of concern, move them in closer and repeat to pinpoint what's generating the sound.
Good to know!