I am very familar with HPtuners, as it is what i use to tune the Cobalts and a number of GMs.
The HPTforum i frequent is saying support will be coming soon, but no ETA. going to be stock until it comes out i guess.
If that comes out it will be a game changer for sure!
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on January 09, 2014, 04:32:24 PM
If that comes out it will be a game changer for sure!
Yep, I won't be standing around with my thumb up my ass waiting for LMS for the perennial release of the XV1 tune that's for sure.
Addt'l competitors to the market, is a great thing & will be sure to keep everyone on their toes....
That said, there's certainly no reason to speak negatively of any of our vendors (dcpatters).
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I sent a pic of my black plugs I pulled out to a friend and said HPtuners was going to support the EB's. He wants to tune my SHO. I will probably let him see what he can do one day at the track.
Quote from: bpd1151 on January 09, 2014, 07:22:05 PM
That said, there's certainly no reason to speak negatively of any of our vendors (dcpatters).
Only stating the facts. Vendor announces an official release of their XV1 tune over two months ago and still waiting.
I've praised and recommended their products / services over and over again but grow tired of, "Its going to be released soon."
Quote from: dcpatters on January 09, 2014, 07:54:36 PMOnly stating the facts. Vendor announces an official release of their XV1 tune over two months ago and still waiting.
I've praised and recommended their products / services over and over again but grow tired of, "Its going to be released soon."
Your frustration is understood, & your commentary factually based, but certainly could be better stated than saying it in the manner that you did.
I would like to believe that all of our members, including you, would have more couth, that's all.
Carry on.... :ok:
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Definitely nothing wrong with stating your opinion. Criticism allows you to identify the areas you could better serve customers as a vendor.
Are you sponsored by them bpd?
I sent Mike a PM on this, I see guys complaining about LMS taking awhile to update their tunes which is unfortunate. This wasn't a vendor bash in my opinion if we're seeing it stated by quite a few guys and sometimes vendors need some negative feedback to get back on their horse, not everything can be perfect all the time.
Carry on just keep it civil :)
What is the real issue with Livernois not delivering on this much anticipated tune ?
Is it R&D problems or are their bigger fires burning on their stoves ?
Althought many EBPF members are happy with them I am more than likely going to go with Torrie at Unleashed Tuning because of this issue unless HP comes up with an alternative option wihin the next two months
All the stories about how Torrie returned people's emailed within a half hour, and reworked there tune, and sent it back within the hour has me very impressed.
Customer service is a huge star in my world, as some companies just think you will buy there product regardless and can treat you how ever there mood is for the day.
I would be very excited to go with hp tuner if they do support ecoboost
Man that would awesome. I use hptuners as well and it's very easy to work with.
Does the EB utilize wideband o2s stock?
Quote from: Japeatr on January 10, 2014, 10:14:16 AM
Does the EB utilize wideband o2s stock?
Yes, WB02 and closed loop even during WoT. It's a very smart ECU, read through my fueling posts, it saved my ass too many times to count
does it still fuel with dynamic airflow like most, or is it all DAL based map calcs due to the direct inject?
sorry, learning a new platform here. im reading as well but want to gain as much knowledge in the foreground as well
It's all torque commanded and torque limits with commanded afr
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Within sct it's difficult, I worked with a tuner locally who figured out the trucks but we couldn't figure out the car quickly. I was under a the crunch so I just utilized torrie as the path of least resistance
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Unfortunately as to the release of XV1, it is going to require more ancillaries than originally thought. With the unique issues that have come to light with the cold weather, it has shown that we are at the limit of safe fuel delivery with our performance tunes already. Because of this, Xv1 will require methanol injection to utilize. We are working on other avenues for this to be able to be achieved without the use of methanol, but those are a long way off unfortunately. I understand the want and the frustration for the delay, but we would rather release XV-1 after its been complete and safe. One thing I am proud to say about our company is we will not just rush a tune out to the public without going over it with a fine tooth comb and test and retest to make sure it gets the most power out of the vehicle, yet still be 100% safe! It will require meth for the Explorer Sport, and the Taurus SHO and related vehicles (Flex, MKS, MKT). As for the F150, it is still in development, but as stated before, is only going to be released when perfect. I know it is frustrating, but please be patient. We just want to get everyone the best tune available, anything less would be a disservice to our customers.
Brandon
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on January 10, 2014, 11:14:25 AM
It's all torque commanded and torque limits with commanded afr
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ok ya very similar to the E67 PCM thats in the LNF cobalts
I am very glad to see LMS admit that the platform is out if fuel, I've been arguing this point for years now with various members.
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Interesting... Torrie told me all along that you would want to run Meth with 3bar to be safe. The lower thermostat does not do much. Due to the delays and all the speculation I'm not surprised of this outcome. Did LMS ever straighten out the guy with 11k smoking turbo's??
Maybe, LMS ought to officially make a post about the new "XV1 update" instead of just throwing it into a thread? I watched lots of mental masterbation about this for 4 months...
Well the
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on January 10, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
Unfortunately as to the release of XV1, it is going to require more ancillaries than originally thought. With the unique issues that have come to light with the cold weather, it has shown that we are at the limit of safe fuel delivery with our performance tunes already. Because of this, Xv1 will require methanol injection to utilize. We are working on other avenues for this to be able to be achieved without the use of methanol, but those are a long way off unfortunately. I understand the want and the frustration for the delay, but we would rather release XV-1 after its been complete and safe. One thing I am proud to say about our company is we will not just rush a tune out to the public without going over it with a fine tooth comb and test and retest to make sure it gets the most power out of the vehicle, yet still be 100% safe! It will require meth for the Explorer Sport, and the Taurus SHO and related vehicles (Flex, MKS, MKT). As for the F150, it is still in development, but as stated before, is only going to be released when perfect. I know it is frustrating, but please be patient. We just want to get everyone the best tune available, anything less would be a disservice to our customers.
Brandon
Thanks for the update. Then that settles it, I am maxed out on my tune, since I will not install meth. Glad I did not pre-order any parts.
Yeah, I'm not gonna do Meth either. That's okay. I'm good. I'll be in the 12's as soon as I can get out there this Spring. Still might want to do DP's and third cat delete sometime.
I am now done with mods, unless I go with lighter wheels.
You can do downpipes, intake and exhaust and tune in stock fuel. If you don't want to run meth I have a solution for fuel using stock injectors and di pump.
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Quote from: 4DRHTRD on January 10, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
I am very glad to see LMS admit that the platform is out if fuel, I've been arguing this point for years now with various members.
We were actually the first to say this 4 years ago, but we are always looking for new ways to improve on our offerings. We are working on other improvements to be able to do Xv1 without methanol, but it will be some ways off before it can be done. But I can assure you, we will be the first ones with a proper fueling solution for these cars.
QuoteInteresting... Torrie told me all along that you would want to run Meth with 3bar to be safe. The lower thermostat does not do much. Due to the delays and all the speculation I'm not surprised of this outcome. Did LMS ever straighten out the guy with 11k smoking turbo's??
That car in question was picked up and brought to our facility for that, and further upgrades with the car. I definitely do not agree on the thermostat not doing much, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Maybe if you are cooling the car down between rounds it doesn't do anything, but it has a profound impact on heat soak. As for delays, I would gladly delay something to make certain of it than anything else. How many tuners just push an update out after one or two cars and a few dyno pulls? Far too many unfortunately.
LMS has put a lot of effort into the EB platform, no doubt. BUT, I think 4DR Mike has also done a tremendous amount on his own to advance the platform, including an aux fuel setup. Got it to the point where the transmission needs to be addressed next. Just saying.
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on January 11, 2014, 12:06:23 PM
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on January 10, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
I am very glad to see LMS admit that the platform is out if fuel, I've been arguing this point for years now with various members.
We were actually the first to say this 4 years ago, but we are always looking for new ways to improve on our offerings. We are working on other improvements to be able to do Xv1 without methanol, but it will be some ways off before it can be done. But I can assure you, we will be the first ones with a proper fueling solution for these cars.
QuoteInteresting... Torrie told me all along that you would want to run Meth with 3bar to be safe. The lower thermostat does not do much. Due to the delays and all the speculation I'm not surprised of this outcome. Did LMS ever straighten out the guy with 11k smoking turbo's??
That car in question was picked up and brought to our facility for that, and further upgrades with the car. I definitely do not agree on the thermostat not doing much, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Maybe if you are cooling the car down between rounds it doesn't do anything, but it has a profound impact on heat soak. As for delays, I would gladly delay something to make certain of it than anything else. How many tuners just push an update out after one or two cars and a few dyno pulls? Far too many unfortunately.
There was a thread a while back about DeatschWerks coming out with larger injectors and a high flow fuel pump for the 3.5EB .
Here is a link with further info : http://www.stangtv.com/features/sema-coverage/sema-2013-deatschwerks-in-line-fuel-pump-and-gdi-inhjectors/ (http://www.stangtv.com/features/sema-coverage/sema-2013-deatschwerks-in-line-fuel-pump-and-gdi-inhjectors/)
Has anyone heard of any updated about this ?
I would rather go this route than have to deal with Methanol .
The solution for fuel that I have tested at E48 (50% E85/50% E10 91 octane) is the dual in tank fuel pump solution I have available with a fuel pressure regulator feeding the stock DI pump and injectors. The car worked great with this solution.
I can source all of the parts for you guys if you wish, right now you'll have to tap into the factory harness to feed the relays and use the factory fuel line as a return line.
I'm waiting for a returnless solution that would bolt in place easily, just waiting for Squash to finish their Uber Fueler. :)
That's 575 on pump gas for you guys doing the math, easy, peasy.
Solution under $1000 and will easily provide enough fuel to do what you want without meth.
So kudos to LMS but I have a solution already that has been tested in depth on my vehicle with big turbos.
In the platform of the LNF engines, the platform is largely out of fuel immediately upon switching to E85.
Most guys run a larger cam lobe on the HPFP and recently have found some Opel DI injectors that flow about 15% more
On one of our team's cars we added port fueling in addition to a maxed out DI system and have broken the 600whp threshhold
This is full E85 car with PTE6262
Quote from: Japeatr on January 18, 2014, 11:56:12 AM
In the platform of the LNF engines, the platform is largely out of fuel immediately upon switching to E85.
Most guys run a larger cam lobe on the HPFP and recently have found some Opel DI injectors that flow about 15% more
On one of our team's cars we added port fueling in addition to a maxed out DI system and have broken the 600whp threshhold
This is full E85 car with PTE6262
That what I did to get to 600HP on E85 unfortunately the ECU is closed loop during WOT and when it recognizes the additional fuel it pulls fuel via STFT to attempt to hit commanded AFR. Not horrible BUT after awhile LTFT starts compensating for the additional fuel and then you start going lean again. I had a simple controller for the aux injectors that just looked at boost vs RPM and you put in values for the miliseconds of injector DC you wanted. I had purchased a microsquirt and was going to install an additional MAP and 2 WBO2 because that ECU would allow me to do commanded AFR as well and would have hopefully worked better with the stock ECU as it can auto adjust/tune to your fuel requirements, it also does fuel tuning on the fly instead of having to upload a tune with the car off (aux fuel controller). The transmission started going out on me before I could install and test however.
The result of my piggyback in my testing was that you'd be DEAD ON for fuel for 2 -7 days and then all of a sudden it would start hitting lean but, especially at mid rpm wot bursts and then I'd look at the logs and see it pulling more fuel than before, I'd at fuel it would take fuel away. After a few times of that I went back to my original aux injector controller settings and would then just start clearing the stock ECM by removing the negative on the battery for 10 minutes or so. Then it would work great for 2-7 days. :)
Would be so nice if we did not have to hack into the factory harness for the duel in tank solution. Is that possible 4DR?
Quote from: Josephm on January 18, 2014, 03:00:17 PM
Would be so nice if we did not have to hack into the factory harness for the duel in tank solution. Is that possible 4DR?
Working on it! :)
On my LSJ i run a Deatchwerks dw300 in tank to a surge tank then to a bosch 044 in line.
Much better now and no more fuel pick up issues
Quote from: Japeatr on January 09, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I am very familar with HPtuners, as it is what i use to tune the Cobalts and a number of GMs.
The HPTforum i frequent is saying support will be coming soon, but no ETA. going to be stock until it comes out i guess.
Ecoboost is my top priority and we are actively working on it. It will be released into the beta software shortly.
Quote from: Eric@HPTuners on October 13, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Japeatr on January 09, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I am very familar with HPtuners, as it is what i use to tune the Cobalts and a number of GMs.
The HPTforum i frequent is saying support will be coming soon, but no ETA. going to be stock until it comes out i guess.
Ecoboost is my top priority and we are actively working on it. It will be released into the beta software shortly.
I think this will be a MAJOR step forward ...... subscribed !
Quote from: Eric@HPTuners on October 13, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Japeatr on January 09, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I am very familar with HPtuners, as it is what i use to tune the Cobalts and a number of GMs.
The HPTforum i frequent is saying support will be coming soon, but no ETA. going to be stock until it comes out i guess.
Ecoboost is my top priority and we are actively working on it. It will be released into the beta software shortly.
Thank you for joining our forum and please keep us updated.. Love your software and its great results i have had in other platforms.
Quote from: panther427 on October 13, 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: Eric@HPTuners on October 13, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Japeatr on January 09, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I am very familar with HPtuners, as it is what i use to tune the Cobalts and a number of GMs.
The HPTforum i frequent is saying support will be coming soon, but no ETA. going to be stock until it comes out i guess.
Ecoboost is my top priority and we are actively working on it. It will be released into the beta software shortly.
Thank you for joining our forum and please keep us updated.. Love your software and its great results i have had in other platforms.
Thanks. We currently have support for all of the non-ecoboost gas vehicles that Ford currently makes. We are definitely playing catch up on getting the support for these added, but it is moving along quickly.
Get them added! :)
Quote from: Eric@HPTuners on October 13, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: panther427 on October 13, 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: Eric@HPTuners on October 13, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Japeatr on January 09, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I am very familar with HPtuners, as it is what i use to tune the Cobalts and a number of GMs.
The HPTforum i frequent is saying support will be coming soon, but no ETA. going to be stock until it comes out i guess.
Ecoboost is my top priority and we are actively working on it. It will be released into the beta software shortly.
Thank you for joining our forum and please keep us updated.. Love your software and its great results i have had in other platforms.
Thanks. We currently have support for all of the non-ecoboost gas vehicles that Ford currently makes. We are definitely playing catch up on getting the support for these added, but it is moving along quickly.
Do you have an expected date release for the ecoboost platform? Would this mean that gm cars and the ecoboost would be tuned via one device?
Quote from: cror1 on October 22, 2014, 07:56:26 AM
Quote from: Eric@HPTuners on October 13, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: panther427 on October 13, 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Quote from: Eric@HPTuners on October 13, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Japeatr on January 09, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
I am very familar with HPtuners, as it is what i use to tune the Cobalts and a number of GMs.
The HPTforum i frequent is saying support will be coming soon, but no ETA. going to be stock until it comes out i guess.
Ecoboost is my top priority and we are actively working on it. It will be released into the beta software shortly.
Thank you for joining our forum and please keep us updated.. Love your software and its great results i have had in other platforms.
Thanks. We currently have support for all of the non-ecoboost gas vehicles that Ford currently makes. We are definitely playing catch up on getting the support for these added, but it is moving along quickly.
Do you have an expected date release for the ecoboost platform? Would this mean that gm cars and the ecoboost would be tuned via one device?
Sorry, the forum notification went to my junk folder.
Once the ability to read/write the Ecoboost PCMs is enabled in the software, we will have people start reading their PCMs and sending the files in to create the definitions for. As each definition is done, you would be able to tune that vehicle. It takes a while to get all the various operating systems defined, but the most popular ones get done pretty quickly.
Our hardware works with GM, Ford, and Dodge. You can tune all of them one our VCM Suite.
Looks like SHO should be avail soon. That means I will be going back to software.
Ecoboost Mustang:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49621-2015-Mustang-Ecoboost-Now-Supported-in-2-25 (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49621-2015-Mustang-Ecoboost-Now-Supported-in-2-25)
Ecoboost F150:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49612-2011-2014-F-150-Ecoboost-now-supported-in-2-25 (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49612-2011-2014-F-150-Ecoboost-now-supported-in-2-25)
I remember when Magnus was a predominant source of info on the Camarov6 forum
Quote from: J-Will on December 23, 2014, 02:49:32 PM
Looks like SHO should be avail soon. That means I will be going back to software.
Ecoboost Mustang:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49621-2015-Mustang-Ecoboost-Now-Supported-in-2-25 (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49621-2015-Mustang-Ecoboost-Now-Supported-in-2-25)
Ecoboost F150:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49612-2011-2014-F-150-Ecoboost-now-supported-in-2-25 (http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49612-2011-2014-F-150-Ecoboost-now-supported-in-2-25)
I remember when Magnus was a predominant source of info on the Camarov6 forum
Yes sir. If you have the hardware already, request the latest beta and take a read of your SHO. Depending on which year it is will determine what PCM type you choose when reading it. Email support and they will help you.
I haven't requested anyone read any Taurus SHO's yet, but we can do them. Just a matter of me adding the definition for each of the various operating systems out there.
cool stuff, just a few days ago I was searching for this thread to see what the update on this progress is. keep us posted when it's good to go. but I have a question, how many credits will it take to tune the sho? and, does the software still comes with 8 credits out of box?