I started working with Brad about 3 months ago on a tune for my bone stock 2013 SHO PP. I bought it to be my daily. It started with a 2 bar 91 octane tune. I wanted something mild yet fun. I installed a drop in K&N and 542 plugs. I got a LiveWire TS+ from him with the tune and off we went. The first tune woke the car up greatly. I didn't dyno it but you could feel a difference. Later on I installed a 3 bar and the revision was made.
After 5 months of owning the car I put 12,000 miles on her and pumped the brakes. She went into the garage, and the GTI was put back on daily duties. Tuned, Turbo, 5 speed cars are really fun.....
I asked Brad to start working on a E30 tune for me. I had a couple of goals since the car wasn't my DD anymore. I wanted to crack 400 AWHP and run sub 12.50 at full weight with a quarter of tank of fuel with a tune only.
Brad worked with me every step of the way and the car kept just getting better and better. Being here in Phoenix we fight IAT's fiercely. Brad made the comment that I had the hightest IAT's he had ever seen. Most dyno pulls and tracks pulls were done with the IAT's in 170 degree range. Looks like the upgraded intercooler is needed here in AZ.
First track outing netted me with a 13.08 at 109. Was having issues with car pushing on the line and it was over 100 degrees.
Brad started working on the tune and I set a quick dyno appointment. This gave us more tools to keep chipping away at these goals. Car made 366 HP and 414 TQ on the PUMP E30 tune. Once again high IATS and it was 105 degrees while on the dyno. Went back to the track a couple weeks later. In 3700 ft D.A. she clicked off a 12.85 @ 105.47. Getting closer to that goal.
Here in Phoenix our pump E85 is all over the place. It can read E51 to E85. Plus our regular gas is straight trash as well. So I decided that I was only going to run QT 91 octane fuel and mix it with Torco T85. Both fuels are readily available to me so why not? This would give us a consistent fuel source and the T85 is a damn good fuel.
Another dyno appointment and track day all in one. This time on the dyno it was 95 degrees. With high IAT's and Brad in we hand pushed the SHO up to 391 HP and 470 TQ. Almost cracked 400 AWHP Tune only. I was extremely pleased and had a good laugh. I told Brad she is good, and let's see what she does at the track. In 2900 ft D.A. and 78 degrees she ran 12.61 @109.23. Best MPH that night was 111.78. So my goals are in reach tune only. Once it gets colder, and the D.A. improves I will get my goals.
Brad has been awesome to work with. The car runs great, and at no time have I felt like the car has been put on the edge. Everything in the logs looks good, and Brad takes the time to get in depth with me about the changes and what to expect. Now we just have to wait for Arizona's weather to cooperate with us so I can obtain these goals. If you are looking for a tuner, Brad is the man. My numbers are better then most bolt on tuned cars...so I am happy.
Once my tune only goals are obtained. I will strip some weight out of her and see if we can get into the 12.25 range. Realistically, I want to see an 11 second pass one day however that will probably have to take DP's, intercooler, and more weight deduction. So stay AJPTurbo tuned....
Swweeet! Enjoy the SHO! Z :thumb:
As far as Brad is concerned; THREE SNAPS, IN A "Z" FORMATION! Brad is the man!
I have a couple more tricks up my sleeve....lol. We will crack 400 AWHP and go sub 12.50 tune only. Take it to the bank.
Good fuel. Is that too much to ask for? Keep at it, the next time the hammer drops, the line will be obliterated! :thumb:
Quote from: SHOdded on October 29, 2018, 12:38:18 PM
Good fuel. Is that too much to ask for? Keep at it, the next time the hammer drops, the line will be obliterated! :thumb:
No, we will crack it on the E30 tune. Just have to wait until it cools off.
+1 for Brad kudos!!! :)
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Excellent review. I'm so so happy with Brad's skillz as well!!!
Quote from: avidmotion on October 29, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
add meth inj meet 400 sooner
Why? My car makes more then most bolt on, meth cars. I want to hit 400 AWHP tune only.
Thank you for the review and praise. Yeah I'm pretty happy with the results and considering the DA no reason not to be satisfied. Your 1/4 mile E.T.'s were super consistent..It could do some damage in brackets. Close to 400awhp without meth is awesome any day of the week. And the torque my god that's got to be around 550 at the flywheel? The midrange is so strong in the 3.5
You Are right the tune is not running the car ragged. The midrange is around 16-17 psi and tapering to about 14-15 at redline. Knock sensor adding spark too. And solid fuel pressure on E30 at that boost is nice to see.
And the torque peak on the dyno is not simply a wild and wreckless boost spike..The tune uses throttle control to help boost spikes and to help prevent hugh fuel pressure dips than can come from forcing the throttle open.
Nice job and thank you, love seeing dyno charts from the calibration and reading the reviews.
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 30, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
Thank you for the review and praise. Yeah I'm pretty happy with the results and considering the DA no reason not to be satisfied. Your 1/4 mile E.T.'s were super consistent..It could do some damage in brackets. Close to 400awhp without meth is awesome any day of the week. And the torque my god that's got to be around 550 at the flywheel? The midrange is so strong in the 3.5
You Are right the tune is not running the car ragged. The midrange is around 16-17 psi and tapering to about 14-15 at redline. Knock sensor adding spark too. And solid fuel pressure on E30 at that boost is nice to see.
And the torque peak on the dyno is not simply a wild and wreckless boost spike..The tune uses throttle control to help boost spikes and to help prevent hugh fuel pressure dips than can come from forcing the throttle open.
Nice job and thank you, love seeing dyno charts from the calibration and reading the reviews.
Just getting started buddy. We should crack 400 wheel next month when it cools down even more.
After that, intercooler and custom downpipes, HPFP, and I plan to have an 11 second full weight EcoBoost SHO.
Brad really is awesome to work with. Ive worked with other tuners and Brad just listens to your feedback. He will tell you what is and isn't going to work. And tell you most importantly WHY he changed something and what he changed. Im still on his first revision as life has gotten in the way of sending him logs. But I know once we start cooking with 100 octane my shomu will fly.
Brad is definitely the best tuner ive had the chance to work with. By far the best at explaining things and offering advice. +10 for ajpturbo
Going to update this as we go.
Been DD'ing the SHO for the past 3 weeks. GTI is getting worked on. I took the SHO to Cali a couple of times, ect. During the second trip, I started getting over active BOV's. Mine are vented to atmosphere, (maybe re-vent them back to the stock locations, I am the fence) so they are very noticeable. Very light throttle they are doing their song and dance. I chatted with Brad and he told me log it. Took ME way too long to get the logs to him (my fault).
Friday night I took the BOV's off to check the o rings and they were good. I had the cover off and everything and did a once over of the top end. I went out and data logged the car and sent them to Brad late Friday night. I looked that the logs and noticed there was a difference in tip boost and MAP boost pressures. I was seeing 29 psi at the turbos, but only the commanded 18 psi at the MAP sensor. I didn't think much of it at the time, being up for 20 hours didn't help this. In hind sight, I know better.
I ended up going to the track Saturday afternoon/night and ended up running a PB. The car was getting it in the 8th mile, but just didn't seem right on the big end. It has run as fast as 112 in 1/4. It only ran 108.98 as the fasted pass that night. Packed it up disappointed because I thought she would run faster with it being way colder, way better DA, and a way better 60 foot. I know the 60 foot can affect MPH, however I didn't think 4 to 5 mph.
On the way home Brad literally emails me and says, "DON'T DRIVE THE CAR HARD!" OOPS. He could see in the logs that something wrong and told me to check all of my boost reference hoses. He also saw the difference in boost.
Sure enough he was correct. I got home and yanked the cover, and there she was. A hose was detached. Why any line that sees boost that isn't properly secured (hose clamp, spring clamp, zip tie, bubble gum, super glue, Ford was stupid about this) is beyond me. I posted pictures. Long story short, the turbos were running away (over boosting). The computer sees this and actually closes the throttle to limit boost into the motor (Ford was smart about that). I fixed the line and now she is back to normal and now has the big end rush again.
At the track with the boost reference line issue the car was getting all the boost out off the launch. The computer saw this and started closing the throttle during the pass, so....maybe in January we will see a faster pass.
Long story short car went faster (not at 100%), check your boost reference line (clamp it down), and SENT IT!
Also my SHO at full weight (no weight reduction) with me in it (240 lbs) and a quarter tank of gas weighs 4560 lbs. So 4320 by herself.
Yup common problem, easy fix, and often not addressed probably coz the cars are not driven like bats outta hell :D When they ARE fireballing, Ford's cornercutting becomes all too evident.
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on October 30, 2018, 06:42:32 PM
Brad is definitely the best tuner ive had the chance to work with. By far the best at explaining things and offering advice. +10 for ajpturbo
As bummed as you were/are about the boost line disconnect and its effects...still a new PB with that condition? Jeez thats impressive! So you definitely would have been even faster and I guess that's the worst part, wondering how fast you would have been that day! Still thats a very impressive tune only run with a boost leak! Jeez Brad!
Yeah a boost leak and massive throttle closures...but that is a good thing...actual boost pressure never exceeded normal amount so that is good but the turbo was probably spinning pretty fast
Quote from: AJP turbo on November 20, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Yeah a boost leak and massive throttle closures...but that is a good thing...actual boost pressure never exceeded normal amount so that is good but the turbo was probably spinning pretty fast
Sounds like it remained safe which is the most important thing anyone could ever ask for in a tune with any type of engine issue. Lol of course with an issue you shouldnt take a few passes at the track! Haha but who knew beforehand!?
Quote from: SHOdded on November 20, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
Yup common problem, easy fix, and often not addressed probably coz the cars are not driven like bats outta hell :D When they ARE fireballing, Ford's cornercutting becomes all too evident.
Yeah it could have been way worse.
Count me in the club as well. mine was popping off under tune but not stock. EVERY boosted line is now clamped that i could reach.
Quote from: 802SHO on November 20, 2018, 12:51:16 PM
Quote from: GhostlyGrenade on October 30, 2018, 06:42:32 PM
Brad is definitely the best tuner ive had the chance to work with. By far the best at explaining things and offering advice. +10 for ajpturbo
As bummed as you were/are about the boost line disconnect and its effects...still a new PB with that condition? Jeez thats impressive! So you definitely would have been even faster and I guess that's the worst part, wondering how fast you would have been that day! Still thats a very impressive tune only run with a boost leak! Jeez Brad!
I was bummed, but at the end of the day...she stayed safe AND went faster. I am going to go through everything this weekend and make sure all connections are secure.
Quote from: AJP turbo on November 20, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Yeah a boost leak and massive throttle closures...but that is a good thing...actual boost pressure never exceeded normal amount so that is good but the turbo was probably spinning pretty fast
The tune is lights out, I have had a lot of fun with it. I have a couple of things I want to try with this revision to see it we can get the E.T. down more. I bet I can get it to sixty in the low 1.70's with more seat time. I see a 12.3x in the future.
Quote from: 802SHO on November 20, 2018, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on November 20, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Yeah a boost leak and massive throttle closures...but that is a good thing...actual boost pressure never exceeded normal amount so that is good but the turbo was probably spinning pretty fast
Sounds like it remained safe which is the most important thing anyone could ever ask for in a tune with any type of engine issue. Lol of course with an issue you shouldnt take a few passes at the track! Haha but who knew beforehand!?
Quote from: TopherSho on November 20, 2018, 02:02:40 PM
Count me in the club as well. mine was popping off under tune but not stock. EVERY boosted line is now clamped that i could reach.
It did remain safe. I will go into detail on my findings along the way to finding the blown off line. About two weeks ago I was driving to Cali (about a 360 mile drive for me). Along the way I was notice my BOV's were acting off. They were very active, and blowing off at very light throttle (first sign). However, on the street I don't run the car over 90 mph (unless I am datalogging in Mexico) so I didn't have a reference in my perceived loss of the big end speed. With my license plate, I inflict most heartbreak street light to street light. I emailed Brad and he said send me the logs and check the oring's in the BOV's.
I dragged my feet on the logs and checking the BOV's. I have been stupid busy at work. I went home and checked the BOV's and the orings were good. I looked over the top end and somehow missed this line. I am kinda embarrassed because I have owned many turbo cars and usually don't miss things like that. I went to Mexico, got my data, and went home. I sat and reviewed the logs and did notice the difference between turbo and MAP boost pressures (second sign). Hind sight rearing its head. I sent him the logs late Friday night.
Went to the track early Saturday afternoon/evening. I got 3 passes. 12.68, 12.61, 12.56 all with MPH under 109 (third sign). It went faster with less mph in my head because my sixty foot was getting better. 1.88, 1.81, 1.77 for the passes. I replaced the brakes the weekend before and it now holds the line with more rpm and I am seeing boost before I launch now. However, the big end didn't feel right (another sign).
On the way home Brad literally emailed me and told me not to drive the car hard. OOPS. He saw what I saw in the logs and instantly knew what was happening. I fixed the issue, went back to Mexico, top end returned, and I have to email the new logs to Brad. Getting to the track in the next month will be rough, so new results probably will not be until early next year.
Ideally, if Brad thinks we can turn her up a little bit more I am also game. I want to hit the dyno again (it is much cooler now) and see if we can crack 400 AWHP on this revision. I want that 400 AWHP and sub 12.50 tune only. After that, I will down the car for custom DP's, 3rd Cat delete, and if a certain intercooler becomes available. I really want something like these DP's and I have a guy that can do it..so...wish me luck.
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9506.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9506.0.html)
Quote from: sm105k on November 20, 2018, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on November 20, 2018, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on November 20, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Yeah a boost leak and massive throttle closures...but that is a good thing...actual boost pressure never exceeded normal amount so that is good but the turbo was probably spinning pretty fast
Sounds like it remained safe which is the most important thing anyone could ever ask for in a tune with any type of engine issue. Lol of course with an issue you shouldnt take a few passes at the track! Haha but who knew beforehand!?
Quote from: TopherSho on November 20, 2018, 02:02:40 PM
Count me in the club as well. mine was popping off under tune but not stock. EVERY boosted line is now clamped that i could reach.
It did remain safe. I will go into detail on my findings along the way to finding the blown off line. About two weeks ago I was driving to Cali (about a 360 mile drive for me). Along the way I was notice my BOV's were acting off. They were very active, and blowing off at very light throttle (first sign). However, on the street I don't run the car over 90 mph (unless I am datalogging in Mexico) so I didn't have a reference in my perceived loss of the big end speed. With my license plate, I inflict most heartbreak street light to street light. I emailed Brad and he said send me the logs and check the oring's in the BOV's.
I dragged my feet on the logs and checking the BOV's. I have been stupid busy at work. I went home and checked the BOV's and the orings were good. I looked over the top end and somehow missed this line. I am kinda embarrassed because I have owned many turbo cars and usually don't miss things like that. I went to Mexico, got my data, and went home. I sat and reviewed the logs and did notice the difference between turbo and MAP boost pressures (second sign). Hind sight rearing its head. I sent him the logs late Friday night.
Went to the track early Saturday afternoon/evening. I got 3 passes. 12.68, 12.61, 12.56 all with MPH under 109 (third sign). It went faster with less mph in my head because my sixty foot was getting better. 1.88, 1.81, 1.77 for the passes. I replaced the brakes the weekend before and it now holds the line with more rpm and I am seeing boost before I launch now. However, the big end didn't feel right (another sign).
On the way home Brad literally emailed me and told me not to drive the car hard. OOPS. He saw what I saw in the logs and instantly knew what was happening. I fixed the issue, went back to Mexico, top end returned, and I have to email the new logs to Brad. Getting to the track in the next month will be rough, so new results probably will not be until early next year.
Ideally, if Brad thinks we can turn her up a little bit more I am also game. I want to hit the dyno again (it is much cooler now) and see if we can crack 400 AWHP on this revision. I want that 400 AWHP and sub 12.50 tune only. After that, I will down the car for custom DP's, 3rd Cat delete, and if a certain intercooler becomes available. I really want something like these DP's and I have a guy that can do it..so...wish me luck.
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9506.0.html (https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9506.0.html)
At least nothing bad happened. Its great that its an easy fix and doesn't cost anything. Best case scenario for a problem to come up. Odd that it came loose. I check mine but not all the time.
I look forward to seeing how much more improvement you can make and when you go DP and intercooler.
This has got me itching for an e30 meth tune lol
I am really looking forward to working with Brad on my MKS.
You'll be happy you did.